My best guess would be an Amazon employee trying to steal when he should be working...

I don't think that anyone was trying to steal your ebook. Maybe it was someone from that IP that tried to read your ebook without paying your fee.

Tal

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Think about it. If you were an Amazon exec, would you tell your people to steal other people's work? That could only lead to bad things. Amazon does not need our piddling stuff.

Like a previous poster suggested, I'd be more apt to believe it was a spoof.

Thank you for sharing your experience so we know to keep an eye out. IF there are many of us experiencing the same thing we can certainly make a more formal "legal" complaint.

For now, I agree that it must immediately be reported to a supervisor.

Thanks again!

Use DLGuard for your downloads and protect your download folder and make a fake download folder called /download/ so they will be certain to find it and put some real nasty crap in there for them to read, like some particularly hideous butt porn or something. Just a thought.

As a site/product owner you always have to assume the worst case. There are hackers out there, bots, script kiddies. That's why you need download protection like DLguard, and thats why you shouldnt be naive and have open and easily guessable download pages.

As for the amazon IP...it could also be that some advanced hackers use an amazon proxy or amazon site to cover their real IP...i wouldnt just automatically assume its amazon stealing your book. If they are really advanced they certainly have ways to cover their tracks.

The only laws I am aware of that cover this type of thing are copyright, DMCA(prevent them from selling or showing to another), DOS and hacking laws(prevent them from trying to break in), fraud, etc...(prevent them from paying with invalid instruments, excessive refunds, etc...). The idea of treating this like a stolen car, etc... is a stretch. And the Bible doesn't state what stealing is, but holding them to the standards shown in this thread(not even looking at what is given to them, etc...) would not have allowed society to exist.

Let's face it, if it comes up in Google, YOU'VE LOST! You say google is your friend. If you fight them on this, and win, they are basically GONE! Otherwise, they show your documents, graphics, etc... and people WILL SEE!!!!!! If you want to prevent it, PREVENT IT! Make it so it CAN'T happen! DON'T go screaming to Google, or against Google. You could hurt EVERYONE, ****INCLUDING**** yourself!

Steve

BTW WHY would amazon try to steal your stuff? IP addresses may not be kept up to date, and ***THEY*** are the ones that know where it goes. Don't you even PRETEND to know where some person plugged some cable from some router. You only know that at SOME point MAYBE that IANA assigned them that number MAYBE! That is IT! You don't know if bezos, gates, the guy next door to you, or someone in another account on your server did that.

Steve

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WHOA, you can't even add a new quote unless the message is 10 chars or more in length! 8-?

Whoa,

Listen it is one thing to say you obtained an ip address it is another altogether to accuse a multibillion dollar company of trying to steal. you could get sued like big time;.

I don't believe it anyways either someone was logged in and tried to misuse their account or it is an employee that was trying to access the site either way or they masked their ip address so it looked like amazon in which case is the more likely that is not amazon directly and amazon could take action against you for this WTH???

-WD

Right now i am using a proxy in Slovakia (since something is seriously wrong with my net and i can only reach certain sites via a proxy)...doesn't mean i am in Slovakia

Furthermore...as i said above...hackers could install scripts and bots on other sites like amazon...and those scripts could automatically scan for them. Just an idea.

I think that this is "the Gray Area". Either you play in it or you dont an set your morals accordingly.

If you take someones article or ebook and spin it, wouldnt this be in the gray? You can buy articles spinners to do this but is it morally right? And if so then you have an argument of whose morals.

If you break a law that you didnt know was a law, well then did you actually break a law if you dont get caught?

I have bought large ticket items at Home Depot. After I paid and had the stuff loaded I take a look at the receipt to see that I was only charged for 50 instead of 500.
If I drive off thinking of the great bargain I just got am I really stealing? I think so. I go back in the store to point it out to the cashier and pay the balance. This is my choice and is the right thing to do.

I know that I sleep better at night living like this.

Cdarklock,

You are, of course, right there. THOSE are the guys you really can't stop. There are too many ways to do this. SOME even setup honeypots of a sort, and state that if you want more reliable connections, faster access, etc.... and try to hide your access, PAY THEM for it!

In the 80s, people tried to "copyprotect". STUPID idea. HONEST people lose the ability to backup, etc... DISHONEST people see it as a CHALLENGE and a GAME!

HEY, I used to be a M/S OEM. One thing they did was they told OEMs about their attacks on pirates. They were COMMON and HUGE! So EVEN M/S has a HUGE problem. And there are many other things they don't bother with.

I thought about this LONG AND HARD in the 80s, and several times since. NO way is perfect. The BEST way is a periodically expiring license that is remotely enabled, but there ARE a lot of problems with THAT. STILL, hackers LOVE cracking that!

Steve

I have not read the above responses (too many) but this probably means that some affiliates advertise your book on AdWords and this is where the clicks come from - AdWords ads placed on Amazon network

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HI Buddy!!! Becoz your content may be agood thing for cover online purchaser ... i think!!! So that Amazon trying to steal your book...

Thanks for sharing.... Byeee...

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Oddly enough, I had a domain (a blogspot thing) that didn't rank for much, and I issued a free report on scribd and my site to try to build a list.

In the last few days, I've had about 40 hits from amazon.com ... I'm not sure why, but it only dates back to when I released the free pdf.

I'm really curious about this. I don't think there were any searches for 'Jedi Mind Tricks for Relationships' before this, as I had searched the term, but suddenly I was getting traffic from Amazon - not FROM amazon, I mean, the IP was amazon.com.

I kind of think they just monitor new ebooks/pdfs or something. It's weird though, that you get that kind of attention from Amazon immediately after any kind of event.

I'm sorry if I screwed up grammar or spelling, I've had a kitten repeatedly jumping on my hands; hopefully I caught most of the mistakes

My target market is not a bunch of brainless music file suckers. Many of them aren't the least bit interested in my ebooks or any ebook that would require that they actually think about making a living or working in some kind of way.

My ebook is also not a "loss leader". For a month that is normally slow for people, it pulled in a nice $800 or so profit. That's worth protecting to me. If you don't want to do a few things to protect your products, that's certainly your prerogative, but to suggest that you can't do anything about it, and to connect the events of the music industry to the types of products we sell, is just fuzzy logic.

'there was nothing you could do to stop it. Adapt or die!'

Piracy?!? Its enough if one has already bought, so its time to share it.

Whats wrong with sharing?

Yeah so maybe going with the flow instead against it . These days young people want to share more if possible and that's really positive.

I remember back in the early 70s way before the internet, the hippie movement was a lot about love and sharing. It changed a lot of things especially in lifestyles and going green and spiritual upliftin' mindsets.

So if some one buys the product is bad to share it? Bad mindsets. lol

Going tribal would be a new kind of beewax . Selling one product to each tribe !

Or sell to the first 1000 clients then set it for free.

Like woodstock 69 sold around 100,000 tickets and it was sold out, 400,000 showed up and
climbed fences , got in free, the gates were left open free.

Let them have it for free!



'there was nothing you could do to stop it. Adapt or die!'

The times are changing. Create something new and forget the competition. Keep creating keep changing. Let it flow, let it grow....

Peace

Series 2 Episode 4, iTunes Live Festival The New Adventures of Stephen Fry

Watch/Listen to this...

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Jus t finished doing a bit of a cleanup around the house. One of the things I found was a box of cassette tapes (remember them?). Most of them are of albums that I never ever paid for. They were recorded for me by friends, etc.. If I liked the album I would buy the official product. The tape that had that album on it would then be erased and filled with another.

I even had over 40 tapes that were recorded from the radio by me.

All that is to say that piracy of copyrighted materials was not brought on by the advent of the internet. It was around during the 70's (from my experience), but was nothing new back then.

The raison d'etre behind the internet is "the free and open exchange of ideas and information". Nothing at all to do with making money.

Isn't this debate exactly the same one that Rupert Murdoch is having wth Google at the moment? Mr Murdoch has never got his head around how to fit 21st century technology onto his 19th century business model. Each time he has tried to remodel the technology to fit his business model, there has been a backlash (MySpace, Wall St Journal, etc.).

Cdarklock is right. The cat is well and truly out of the bag on this, and the entire media industry was caught with its pants down (someone else's quote, I can't remember who).

Remember when the industry thought that cd duplication technology would be too expensive to make it worthwhile to copy cd's? Oops, pants down on that one.

Everybody expects something for nothing these days, and that is not going to go away now that it's begun.

I think WD Products has the right idea. Just accept it is going to happen and plaster everything you release with ads for everything else you release, and consider it free advertising.

This is scary & disgusting. It happened to me as well. And when i asked for a proper reason, amazon didn't bother to give any explanation. All i got was a mail from them "We recently discovered a problem with a Kindle book that you have purchased". No further explanation. Amazon sucks at times!