Making A Start With No Investment

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Hi.

I am starting my career in Internet Marketing and have been recommended to this forum as a good place to begin.

I have no intention of making any investment of any kind on courses or anything else until certainly making a financial return. I was wondering if blogger (blogspot) as a good place to start since it requires no capital investment with domain name and hosting?

Having read some tutorials on the web going to start writing material on things that are going on in my life that could be of use to people. For example recently I have been looking to move accomodation and this meant researching into the market on rental accomodation. As a result have built up a host of information like price of homes, the types of accomodation available in the different parts of the city, websites that are of use, the various scams used by by fraudsters and so on.

There are other subject matters comment or information I could provide but guess the rental thing would be start. So I am just wondering if bogger is an useful place to start placing Click Per View Adverts. Have looked ar wordpress but alas does not allow for ads.

Thanks for reading.

Bill.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    - Eh, why not.

    I made an agreement with my wife that I wouldn't spend any money other than what I make. I'm doing the blogspot thing, and the travis sago/30 day challenge thing, and they are both working for me.

    I'm trying to build something without spending anything - that was the original agreement (that and anonymity) - and everything is actually coming around.

    I strongly suggest looking into the 30 day challenge and travis sago's bum marketing course - they are both free, and obviously I'm not giving affiliate links.

    For me, the question is how to reinvest lol. I want big mike's articlebot, perhaps rssbot, and I want my own site with hosting, and I'm already committed to market samurai, but I want senuke as well, I *think*. I'm still pretty noob at all this, but it seems to me that backlinks are the be-all/end-all of everything else.

    Doing it with no investment is a hard road though, and it's what I've been doing, it's just finally I have some funds to turn around and re-invest.

    Check out travis sago, 30 day challenge though for fantastic free courses in how to start with no money...at least they are the reason I've made anything so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    You could freelance, articles, graphics, data entry... Whatever.

    Okay, don't take this as criticism... But would you say "I want to start a restaurant with no investment"?

    Yes, you can get started with nothing online... And you'll spend a ton of time to make a little money while you learn the ropes.

    But investing in some education, in some hosting, in testing some advertising... Just jumping in and doing it, that's the fastest way to success.

    It's like any real business, it generally takes money to make money. People new to IM don't seem to get that sometimes.

    If you don't have the money to invest, then yeah, do article marketing or whatever you want to do. Don't expect to get rich overnight doing it though.

    Good luck.

    -Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    When you have money, it's easy to say what you can do.

    I think you missed the original point of the OP. He has no intention of investing...and, IF these principles work, why can't he make enough to turn around and reinvest?

    I'm from that school of thought, and so far, it's working.

    I'm making enough to reinvest, etc....but you have to start somewhere, and a lot of us have to start for free. Give the man a break and give some tips, not criticism. I know you try to qualify your remarks as not being criticism, but that's what they are.

    He's not going to invest, he's not going to pay. He's trying to do it for free, for his reasons. I've been through this myself for my own reasons, and it is what it is.

    Just leave it at what it is, he's trying to do it for free...either you have something to tell him, or keep your comments to yourself.....the thread is very straightforward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Powers
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      Thanks for the advice.

      If its like $1 a month then its a small negligable investment of appeal. As I say new to the whole thing was under the impression perhaps it may cost $20 per month for hosting and domain name equating to $120 per year, an amount I am prepared not to lose (given that 90% Internet Market folks fail or don't make much - thats what I read anyway!).

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      You can buy a ".info" domain-name from GoDaddy for under $1.

      You can get free hosting at byethost.com, or (better?) hosting for one domain for $1 per month at hostica.com.

      Is that "investment"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    Give the man a break and give some tips, not criticism. I know you try to qualify your remarks as not being criticism, but that's what they are.

    He's not going to invest, he's not going to pay. He's trying to do it for free, for his reasons. I've been through this myself for my own reasons, and it is what it is.

    Just leave it at what it is, he's trying to do it for free...either you have something to tell him, or keep your comments to yourself.....the thread is very straightforward.
    First of all, it was advice, not criticism.

    If he can invest, he's got a much better shot at success. That's a fact. That's advice.

    If he can't, I gave him tips on how to get started, exactly what he asked for.

    And it's an open forum, I've been here for 3 years, you've been here for a few days, don't tell me what I can or can't say.

    I gave him advice, he can take it or leave it.

    -Scott

    P.S. Alexa posted as I was writing this... That $1 .info domain and some cheap hosting would be a fantastic investment. An $8 .com would be even better. Just having a domain to redirect affiliate links through will help you out a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    You have to start somewhere though.

    Just take his circumstances for granted - don't try to change his starting spot, assume it. Put yourself in his shoes and help him progress from there.

    Don't turn around and say yeah, blogspot is trash, or whatever - assume that's what he has to work with and go from there. That's far better information, and a hell of a lot less elitist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    First of all, it was advice, not criticism.

    I'm sorry, but I'm an actual noob, and it comes off as criticism. I realize you guys get a lot of the same crap all the time, but still...

    If he can invest, he's got a much better shot at success. That's a fact. That's advice.
    So be it, but assume from what he said, that he can't. Just take that as the starting point, don't deal with the 'ideal' starting point. A lot of us have not had very good opportunities with much of anything, give the guy a break. And a lot of what you take for granted, most of us have no clue about - myself included.

    And it's an open forum, I've been here for 3 years, you've been here for a few days, don't tell me what I can or can't say.
    I've been here a lot longer than a few days, I've been reading it a long time. The fact that you've been here so long means you should have some empathy/compassion for those of us that are trying to do what everyone else takes so casually. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm trying to state facts. I'm not telling you what to say or not to say, I'm asking you to look at how you approach individual situations.

    I gave him advice, he can take it or leave it.
    Aye. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink I'm just saying, consider the real situation. Most of us can't outsource articles, links, etc, and we wouldn't know how to do it to begin with. It's not a simple thing. Nothing about this industry is 'easy' obviously.

    There's a very steep learning curve, and it gets worse with every passing year - because technology, google, everything else gets more intelligent.

    Give us clueless people a break.

    -Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    Don't turn around and say yeah, blogspot is trash, or whatever - assume that's what he has to work with and go from there. That's far better information, and a hell of a lot less elitist.
    Fair enough.

    Do some freelancing work to pay for a domain and hosting. How the hell is that elitist? Have you ever heard of any successful business ever being started with no investment?

    True story here...

    When I was working a sales job I freelanced articles on the side for .03 a word to save up to give IM a go... I had the same mentality, only spend what I make online to invest in IM.

    I learned about CPA marketing from a forum I can't mention here. I signed up for a network.

    I spent $7 a month on hosting, bought a .info domain, and threw $100 in Adwords...

    That very first campaign, and I was still very newbish at that point, made me over $3k that month, that's net.

    After the initial $108 or so, I spent another $300 on ads because it was converting. If I had more to spend at the time it would have made more. I quit my job and haven't looked back since.

    That's why I recommend doing some kind of work so you can invest a little. You may not hit a home run your first time out, but your chances increase exponentially if you have a little money to invest.

    So my advice is to save a little money and invest it. I don't see how that comes off as "elitist", but whatever.

    -Scott

    EDIT: Just saw your other post...

    I'd expand but I've got to hit the road right now. Long story short, I'm trying to help, and I do have respect for the new guys... Seriously. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    I've done more than a little freelance work. It's not easy to come by those jobs, because there are a million people in the Phillipines competing for the same work at 1/10th the prices.

    Not only that, but you have limited bids to put in, and have to wait a week or longer for results. Freelancing isn't easy either.

    The seed money I have comes from freelancing, so I'm not putting it down. But the fact of the matter is that with no name, starting out, you can't make much of anything from those sites.

    The point isn't how to get money to reinvest, it's how to make the entire IM thing work beginning-to-end with no budget, other than what you make.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harken
    Maybe I'm coming across the wrong way - I've been learning this crap the hard way: figuring it out on my own. There are so many peoiple with complete mastery of things that I'm clueless about.

    On the other hand, I think people lose touch with how they once were. My own skills are very decidedly bluefart...My abilities always were in that area, and I definitely have an affinity for the bad sides of things...it's just a negative aspect of my personality.

    I was using phishing techniques before the web existed....I was using them back when the 'internet' was a big thing and netnews was the hottest thing.

    I'm not trying to talk smack or show my age, I'm just saying, hey, look, we have all gone through a progression.

    I don't play around with anything that even remotely seems unethical to me, perhaps because of my very checkered past, but that's irrelevant.

    The most important thing here is to answer this dude as to how he can make things work.

    In my own case, and I think, in the OP's, the answer is making a blogspot thing work...THEN you build from there.

    At least that's what I've done, and while I'm not a millionaire, at least I have a sustained income ... it's just not anywhere near an easy progression to get to that stage. Lists are hard to learn, all of the other concepts are hard to learn, at least for someone as dumb as me, but you have to start somewhere, and I think that's the OP's point.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      Thanks for all the advice. I will start with the blogging for a week or two before going onto the other things. Right now have no product to market or sell as such just some information that can be of use to people.

      Originally Posted by Daniel Harken View Post

      Lists are hard to learn, all of the other concepts are hard to learn, at least for someone as dumb as me, but you have to start somewhere, and I think that's the OP's point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        He said that he didn't want to spend money. I would seriously venture to guess that you have never entertained the countless reasons people say they want or need to start with no investment.
        You can't be a rock climber if you don't like heights. Some things just must be mastered or acquired if you have a goal in mind.

        If you insist on spending nothing (he doesn't say "can't" but "won't") and intend to blog about your personal rental experiences, etc - that's a hobby, not a career.

        Arguing with what others post doesn't change the facts that if you start a business you need the basic tools for that business.

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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    Originally Posted by Daniel Harken

    I've done more than a little freelance work. It's not easy to come by those jobs, because there are a million people in the Phillipines competing for the same work at 1/10th the prices.
    There are always ways to do things. When i started i had no money. I started with Odesk for freelancing job. I also found MTurk, Shorttasks and Microworkers helping me initially in my earning.

    I have earned enough to get hosting when i started with freelancing. Later from my blog's advertising revenue i managed to pull money to cover hosting/domain bills.

    When it comes to freelancing and short task works, there is competition but you can always find work for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @inter123 - you are certainly right in your assumption that you can get started in IM with no money at all. However, be aware of this - nothing in this world is "free" per se, so if you're not willing to spend any money at all, be prepared to spend lots of time initially in exchange for not a lot of money! Time is money after all, so in this case you'll be trading your time for money if that is what you wish, which is perfectly okay. I just thought I'd make you more clearly aware of this fact.

    Another thing you can do to earn some money to get essential IM stuff (like hosting and domains, the sooner the better!) is to do freelance work, if you can write well you should be able to earn a steady stream of income providing services to people here in this forum, and elsewhere. If you can do other IM related stuff like graphics and web/SEO stuff, that'd be even better.

    As you start earning money, be sure to reinvest in things that will be able to make you more money in IM. You don't want to spend all your time doing the menial things in IM, do you?
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  • Profile picture of the author JCTunes
    You might want to use the "Search" function and look under blogging, Blogger and other items of interest to find threads on the questions you have about whether it's possible to do what you intend to persue without any funds. More than likely you can, but you'll need to really commit to doing a lot of studying and paying in time as opposed to money. It's usually a trade-off: either spend the money or time, or sometimes both. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author imon32red
    Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

    Hi.

    I am starting my career in Internet Marketing and have been recommended to this forum as a good place to begin.

    I have no intention of making any investment of any kind on courses or anything else until certainly making a financial return. I was wondering if blogger (blogspot) as a good place to start since it requires no capital investment with domain name and hosting?

    Having read some tutorials on the web going to start writing material on things that are going on in my life that could be of use to people. For example recently I have been looking to move accomodation and this meant researching into the market on rental accomodation. As a result have built up a host of information like price of homes, the types of accomodation available in the different parts of the city, websites that are of use, the various scams used by by fraudsters and so on.

    There are other subject matters comment or information I could provide but guess the rental thing would be start. So I am just wondering if bogger is an useful place to start placing Click Per View Adverts. Have looked ar wordpress but alas does not allow for ads.

    Thanks for reading.

    Bill.

    There are tons of ways to make money without an initial investment. There are many things that I would like to purchase, but I am not to that point yet. I am still trying to make enough to cover my bills. I am taking the slow road to wealth and trying to spend very little up front.

    The one thing that I do recommend is hosting. It opens up so many doors. For about $7 a month you can get a start at hostgator. If you are going to try to do any type of affiliate work, they usually want to look at your website. I don't know how well this would go over if you use a blogger account. However once you have been excepted by an affiliate you can use blogger, I have done that myself a couple times.

    There are places like squidoo that you can build a webpage, and then split commisions with them, by promoting ebay or Amazon.

    Before you do anything you need to have a business plan and some goals. If you don't you will end up like so many others with great ideas but never take any action.
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  • Profile picture of the author JEL0221
    Although there are tons of ways to get started for free, I'll give a little outline of a pretty simple method that worked for me.

    1. Go to clickbank and find a product that you know will be able to convert(enticing sales page), and make sure it is a niche with HUNGRY buyers(relationship niche for example...getting and ex back or something like that).

    2. Setup a blog on blogger. Make a post or two with some general info and tips on the subject. Then make a review for the product you're selling. Make sure there are affiliate links throughout the postings.

    I would also recommend installing some google analytics in your blog so you can analyze the traffic you are getting.

    3. Find some forums on the subject matter. Make sure they allow affiliate links in your signature like warrior forum does(otherwise you can easily get banned, I have experienced this many times). You can find these forums just by simply searching on google "forums that allow signature links" or something like that.

    When you post in these forums do not mention the product in your signature. Make relevant, informative posts on the problem/subject being discussed. Do some research. If you are consistent you will build a reputation as a trusted member of the forum community and will get a lot of click throughs to your blog.

    You can do this on the side of any other projects if you want. You would only have to spend an hour or two a day making comments on posts and if you are consistent you will se the traffic start to roll in...it is up to your blog posts/sales page to convert.

    I hope this helps, good luck and welcome to the forums. Be persistent and read around the forums there is a lot of gold in posts all over.

    I would also recommend when you make some money and are looking to invest in your online business, invest in the war room. It is BY FAR the best investment you will make for your IM business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    Yes you can do it without any investment, but you'll do it quicker and make more money with some seed cash.

    I can understand not wanting to take a risk, but what is worth more.. your time or your money?

    You'll spend lots more time without an investment, and if you have that to spare then consider yourself a very lucky man, because once you start making it in business your time suddenly becomes the most valuable thing you've got
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    You don't have to spend a penny to start.

    But if you are serious about this, you do need to spend some money.

    $500 or so will buy you good hosting, a dozen or so domains, a few simple courses such as googlesniper and maybe launchtree, some basic low priced software, such as paintshop pro for graphics and heck, even a flip camera. You could also join the WarRoom and also get loads of useful data here and many tutorial and marketing videos can be found on YouTube.

    If you don't want to at least spend this amount to get started then you aren't serious enough. AND THAT'S A FACT.

    Don't be idealistic and have the dream "Well I started this business from nothing." Bull****.

    Invest in yourself and invest in your business.

    Moan and groan back about not willing to spend some money if you want. Others are free to do the same. But this is a business. This is the warrior forum not a knitting club.

    Do it!!!

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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Thanks for clarifying that. Heaven forbid that anyone might have imagined it was an opinion.

        I invested about $25 when I started, built it up gradually, and was earning over $5,000 per month after just over a year. (But that's only opinion.)

        Hi Alexa,

        I was trying to make a point :-)

        You can start with $0 but why do it the hard way? Anyone can somehow find at least a few hundred dollars. Heck, my 2 year old son has more than that in his bank account and he can't even ride a bike yet to deliver newspapers!

        I see so many people on this forum that penny pinch and aren't willing to invest at least a few hundred bucks to get started. (Penny wise pound foolish).

        By doing so, they can save weeks and months, if not years from their speed of progress.

        Too few people treat it as a business venture and so don't give it the effort such a venture merits.

        I started out with a low amount, I can't recall exactly how much, but it was definitely less than $1,000.

        If I had tried to spend zero $$$'s then it would have taken me much longer to hit the figures we now reach each week.

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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    From what I can see with this post is that you need the right mindset. I happen to believe that it is critical above all else. If you have absolutely no money to invest, then so be it. Start with BlogSpot, but remember one thing; don't do it half way!

    What most people do is try out something and as soon as it doesn't work immediately, they let fear and doubts stop them. Don't let it stop you. If you want to learn for free, then learn for free but understand that you have a longer road ahead of you but that's okay! That is the road that you have chosen. Free equals a larger time investment, not a monetary one.

    Bottom line... If you are going to start your Internet Marketing career utilizing totally free tools, then be the absolute BEST at being a BlogSpot blogger and let absolutely no obstacle stop you. See it in your mind that you are going to become an authority in making money with BlogSpot with every intention of returning to the Warrior Forum with your success story.

    Best of luck, no, best of will power to you warrior!
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Hi inter123,

    I've been in that boat before - when I first started out in IM, I got sucked into crappy programs that didn't do anything for me and maxed out my two credit cards, and from that point was FORCED to go to zero-budget marketing. I got a Blogger blog and made some change with Clickbank without driving a terrible amount of traffic to it (had I had mroe knowledge of SEO, though, I may have had more success >).

    Later on I turned my attention toward freelancing/article-writing, coughed up the $20 to post an ad and made it back fairly quickly. Once I got the ball rolling a little more I was able to use the money I earned to buy a few key WSOs, which for the most part required little to no investment.

    I recommend joining the War Room... it's a one-time $37 fee to get in, but the information you get pays you back over and over again. A lot of WSOs that are selling are available for free in the War Room, then not to mention people just like to really give back to their fellow members, even without an opt-in. You'll need to join the War Room before ever posting a WSO anyway, so while War Room membership + 1 WSO = $57, you can potentially make that back in a day, if not hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glassjaw009
    The only tip I've got for you is to stay away from subdomains at all costs if you want to achieve a lasting, trusted website. People don't consistently visit blogspot accounts because they look like they can't be trusted.

    Cheers.
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