Article Marketing question. Is that all... just move to the next one?

14 years ago

wow that's alot of work for one article. I just write articles and submit them directly to Ezine or Goarticles. They take care of the rest.

Google finds the content everytime as soon as the article goes live.

Also if you strung the same article across multiple sites I hope you rewrote each article to prevent the Google duplication filter from kicking in.

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Zeus66

14 years ago

What you did isn't wrong, but it might be overkill. The social bookmarking isn't necessary if you submit to a top article directory, like EZA or GoArticles. The articles there get picked up by Google usually within minutes of going live because their spiders are camped out there. If you use bookmarking for backlinks, then it wasn't a wasted effort, though.

It's a good idea to build a list of good keywords before you write your articles, so they have a better chance of ranking for terms people actually search for at Google, Yahoo, etc. Write at least one article per keyword.

Other people just write 'em, submit 'em a few places, and move on to the next article. That can work too, but it much more hit-or-miss, and you may end up feeling like you have to write a ton of articles all the time to really see any benefits.

In other words, there's more than one way to skin the article marketing cat.

John

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Kevin Marshall

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Ok. I have an article marketing question. I wrote and submitted an article. I sent it through onlywire and socialmarker. I pinged it. I did some blog commenting and forum posting linking back to the article. Posted the article to some web 2.0 sites. Then submitted to a few more article directories.

Is there anything more to do with this article? Do I just rinse and repeat with another article and never do anything with this article again?

I wouldn't spend that much time with one article. Like the previous poster said, you want to write your article a few times and move on to the next article. The only time I would spend a lot of time with one article is when there is major potential for traffic with the article. When I say major potential, I am talking about an article where you can get possibly hundreds and thousands of hits on the article everyday if you get it to the top of the search engines. You aren't going to do that in one afternoon.

As a rule, you should write your first article and post it on your own blog. Then you want to post your article to Ezine. Once it is already live at Ezine, you can spin the article and post it on other websites. I would only spin it a few times unless you have a lot of success with it.

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Mattk 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kevinmarshall80

Once it is already live at Ezine, you can spin the article and post it on other websites.

Not trying to mix it up, but you don't need to wait until it is live and you don't need to spin it.

I am just starting out with articles, but I'm 10 for 10 at Ezine and I submitted to both GoArticles and ArticlesBase less than 5 minutes after I submitted to Ezine. (All un-spun)

The GoArticles submission goes live right away (or pretty darn close). And yet all my Ezine articles got approved.

This of course, is after I put it on my own website. (Thanks to James' advise in many other threads)

Also, There are quite a few of my articles from GA that are out ranking EZA. (the same exact article w/no backlinks)
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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Bookmarking could be the smartest thing you did .

Yes submitting to eza will get you noticed by google quickly . Might even get you first spot on google one .

You will not stay there for any length of time without some bookmarking and other link strategies to anchor the spot .

I won't even get started on the dup content remark except to say article directories do not care about dup content as long as it is original and neither does google . Now Certain web 2.0 sites do penalize for dup content .. just not directories ( at least the ones that matter) or google .

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

I disagree with all the above posters but Troy (because he posted before I could) ... You did great but I sure hope you posted that article to your own site first and did all that work ...

If not then now you know .. Post it to your own site first and do all what you just mentioned and after that post it to the article directories and build some backlinks to the article. You DO NOT have to post it to EZA and if you do you DO NOT have to wait for it to be approved. Most of your backlinking should be to your own site though..

As to the post about duplicate content filter.. There is no duplicate content crap, this is a myth.. You can post the same article or not, your choice..

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Jim Gillum

14 years ago

Help me out here......
Duplicate content....I understand putting the article on my site first....

But submitting the unchanged article to other article sites has me confused...

A few weeks ago I read or watched Mat Cutt explain how to tell the spider which page on your site to skip if you have duplicate content......

What am I missing?:confused:

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Mattk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

Help me out here......
Duplicate content....I understand putting the article on my site first....

But submitting the unchanged article to other article sites has me confused...

A few weeks ago I read or watched Mat Cutt explain how to tell the spider which page on your site to skip if you have duplicate content......

What am I missing?:confused:

Duplicate content only pertains to your own website. You can't have multiple pages on your site that have the exact same content.

Submitting the same article to different directories doesn't have anything to do with your own website.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

Help me out here......
Duplicate content....I understand putting the article on my site first....

But submitting the unchanged article to other article sites has me confused...

A few weeks ago I read or watched Mat Cutt explain how to tell the spider which page on your site to skip if you have duplicate content......

What am I missing?:confused:

The same content several times on your site offers no value . The same content on several article directories could easily be seen by one person on only one directory .

Putting the same article on your site would in effect be the same thing as putting the same article on the same directory 3 or 4 times .

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Jeremy Kelsall

14 years ago

When you are article marketing, to me anyway, it's important to make the best use of your time...

What I recommend is to write the article, submit it wherever you want. EZA, Goarticles, any directory, your site - wherever. Give the article 3 or 4 days and see where it is in the serps.

Page 100 - Move to the next article

In the top 5 pages - Bookmark, submit RSS, blast some other links to it.

The thing is, you can write an article following all the "rules", have a good keyword density, a keyword rich title, etc...and Google still might not like it. Regardless of what you do, the search engines just are not going to like some of the content you write.

So, don't waste time on content that they don't at least show a little favor to right off the bat.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

When you are article marketing, to me anyway, it's important to make the best use of your time...

What I recommend is to write the article, submit it wherever you want. EZA, Goarticles, any directory, your site - wherever. Give the article 3 or 4 days and see where it is in the serps.

Page 100 - Move to the next article

In the top 5 pages - Bookmark, submit RSS, blast some other links to it.

The thing is, you can write an article following all the "rules", have a good keyword density, a keyword rich title, etc...and Google still might not like it. Regardless of what you do, the search engines just are not going to like some of the content you write.

So, don't waste time on content that they don't at least show a little favor to right off the bat.

This might be ok if all you are worried about is google traffic ... Fact is being listed many other places is very important as you can get direct traffic from those places without the search engines..

You should spend the time with blasting every single article on your site with bookmarking, rss feed submit, blog comments, and etc ... If it shows on page 100 of google then who cares, those backlinks still help in many other ways as they will build the entire site up...

This is why a brand new site can do just as good as a 1 year old site. You market it and promote every single page of it...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This might be ok if all you are worried about is google traffic ... Fact is being listed many other places is very important as you can get direct traffic from those places without the search engines..

In most cases, no you can't.

I'd be interested to see who here is getting any substantial traffic from bookmarking or rss feed sites. Although I know that you are going to say you do - Without someone showing me some stats though, I don't believe it.

People don't go to places like Digg or an RSS feed site and search for "weight loss" or "make money online"

As far as I'm concerned the only purpose those sort of sites serve is to get your site indexed and to get an initial backlink, but if you have an established site, chances are good the spiders hit your site pretty quick anyway.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You should spend the time with blasting every single article on your site with bookmarking, rss feed submit, blog comments, and etc ... If it shows on page 100 of google then who cares, those backlinks still help in many other ways as they will build the entire site up...

That would be a great plan if there were 100 hours in the day or if you only have 1 or 2 sites total. The only way I would recommend doing that consistently is if you have a staff of people working for you and even then, there are smarter ways to do it, in my opinion anyway.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

This all makes sense to me and actually the strategy I am trying to put into place.

One thing I don't understand, and I read a lot of both yours and Jeremy's posts, is that you both seem to have widely divergent views when it comes to traffic, building site, etc. And you both post a lot, so I can't help but notice.

On the surface of things, it seems like you both are successful in what you do. To the best of my understanding, you, James, seem to be pretty meticulous about the growth of every aspect of your site - which, to me, seems more of a long term strategy for a particular site.

Whereas Jeremy, it seems, goes at things a bit differently. I think he still thinks long term, but he certainly capitalizes on things that work in the short term as well, like EZA. From what I understand, he pays most attention to what seems to be working and disregards, for lack of a better word, what isn't. His system seems pretty much all automated and forges ahead based on volume. He uses anything, within reason, that will drive traffic to his site and doesn't seem to sweat it if one site or article is a failure, because his system, overall, works very well.

What about this comment of Jeremy's -

People don't go to places like Digg or an RSS feed site and search for "weight loss" or "make money online"

I'd be interested in your opinion on that, because it seems to make sense. I know if I were really chunky, I wouldn't get on Digg or an RSS feed site to look up how to lose weight. Maybe I'm leaving something out of the equation, though. I don't know.

While we may do things differently I think we do still have the same goal in mind... With me I have been marketing sites ever since I been building them 15+ years ago.. To me I rather look at the long term and not short term but also you should understand I do not push any type of affiliate products either...

While I know a brand new site can do just as good as a year old site if you market it properly others may have a different opinion and that is fine.. This is why everyone is told to test as not everyone will have the same results..

As for Digg and Rss Feed sites - Well digg I personally have not messed with very much. I think the largest "diggs" I have had on one link is like 130 diggs.. Out of those 130 diggs I got several members to join a site of mine.

Rss Feeds go way beyond just submitting as Rss Feeds and are picked up by many in many different forms. While some may or may not search a rss site for weight loss, some will subscribe to an rss feed that talks about maintaining your weight and a healthy lifestyle.

Rss Feeds also can be indexed and help with backlinks. For example an rss feed can be added to facebook, linked-in, visabusiness network, squidoo, and etc.. I actually do have AP main Rss feeds on all those sites.

I have many authors rss feeds that are pulled 300, 400, and even 500 times a month.. These feeds are being pulled by being updated on the rss sites, being pulled from subscribers, and other places the authors have them listed.. Point is, this is extra traffic and extra branding.

What many seem to foget is that the more your "NAME" is out there the better results you will get. Who cares if google likes your site or not, if you market it then you can drive just as much if not more traffic than what google can give you .. Unlike what most think not everyones main traffic source is google.

Let's also not forget some people pickup rss feeds to build entire automative sites.. So you write quality articles then they have a better chance of being picked up by others that do browse rss feed sites.

James

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sylviad 14 years ago

Here's what I've discovered.

If you publish a bunch of articles and do little to promote them with various methods, your articles will disappear and along with them will go your traffic and sales. Article Marketing is an ongoing strategy that must be maintained on an ongoing basis.

As long as I keep publishing fresh articles on EA and a few other directories, I will make a few sales a month. If I stop submitting articles, the sales will gradually come to a grinding halt over about a month or so.

With the right marketing, you can turn your articles into a hands-off tactic. Make the most of each article you write by putting it everywhere you can imagine, especially in places where it will "stick". The more links you can build back to those articles, the higher they will stay high in the search results... and the longer they will stay there.

Long ago, an article marketing expert said that he had articles out there in circulation that still brought him sales years later without his having to do anything. I have 1-2 like that.

It all comes back to link building to your articles, something I've never done, but I read recently that it is a valuable marketing strategy to get the most mileage you can from every article you produce.

The problem that I ran into after 3-4 years of writing on one subject was running out of things to say without repeating myself - and getting bored in the process. How much can you write about one topic?

Just one more reason to make the most of your published articles.

Also, I read recently that if your article has lots of backlinks and gets a lot of views, EA will keep your article on its front page. Something to consider.

Now I'd just like to know how one author managed to get 30,000 views of her article after 6 weeks of its being published on EA!

Sylvia
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juzanobo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Ok. I have an article marketing question. I wrote and submitted an article. I sent it through onlywire and socialmarker. I pinged it. I did some blog commenting and forum posting linking back to the article. Posted the article to some web 2.0 sites. Then submitted to a few more article directories.

Well if you wanted the article to stay in SERPs then what you have done is just right IMHO.

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2PercentPlan 14 years ago

Originally Posted by juzanobo

Well if you wanted the article to stay in SERPs then what you have done is just right IMHO.

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MacS09

14 years ago

EZA recently published a newsletter on Duplicate Content (can't remember the URL, sorry):

Google doesn't look for unique article content but unique web pages. As all article directories run Adsense on their pages, no article, however many times submitted, will ever be a duplicate as the frame (=Adsense) always changes.

In addition, EZA doesn't mind if the article is submitted elsewhere as long as it is originally yours. They don't like plagiarism or PLR. So, as long as you make the article uniquely yours, you'll be safe on all counts.

The end of duplication worries, as far as I am concerned.

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LetsGoViral

14 years ago

Build more stronger backlinks to the article! That should get it up ranked higher. Especially if it's go article or ezine. Many people do that because it works!

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kendrickyi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Ok. I have an article marketing question. I wrote and submitted an article. I sent it through onlywire and socialmarker. I pinged it. I did some blog commenting and forum posting linking back to the article. Posted the article to some web 2.0 sites. Then submitted to a few more article directories.

Is there anything more to do with this article? Do I just rinse and repeat with another article and never do anything with this article again?

Wow you're a hard worker. Normally I post the article on my blog and wait a few days before posting it to EZA and a few other article directories. I use onlywire for my blog and yes it is pinged and rss feed submitted.

I think you didn't do anything wrong, just that digg doesn't digg stuff from article directories so I only onlywire my blog entries.

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Bish

14 years ago

I put the article on my site first, then get a good re-write for EZA, then spin article for other article sites. This way I get a much bigger bang for my buck. There's plenty of great article writers/ re-writers on this forum who offer fantastic value for money.

Take a look through warriors for hire or PM me and I'll tell you who I've used. You can also use software to spin and submit, most of it is rubbish but there are a couple of good ones.

Hope that helps

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thebarksmeow

14 years ago

Thanks for all the advise guys. In order to stay on top... do i check to see where my articles stand in say, 30 days? Or should I not worry about it and just focus on new articles with new keywords?

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

Thanks for all the advise guys. In order to stay on top... do i check to see where my articles stand in say, 30 days? Or should I not worry about it and just focus on new articles with new keywords?

Don't spend too much time on trying to check your rankings.. It's ok to go check them every so often but you should spend most of your time writing new articles and doing more keyword research... On each one of these articles do exactly what you have done above ...

James

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CDawson

Banned 14 years ago

If you write more articles and do what you have been doing, you will be seeing tons of traffic in no time.

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bravo75

14 years ago

I have said this before here but here goes again. The single most important thing with article marketing is that the articles you submit are of the highest quality. You will be amazed how many webmasters will find your article and stick it on their blog/site, leaving your recourse box intact, if it is of good quality. This not only gives your article good natural link juice, but often the blog/site with your article on it will outrank the article directory in question.

#1 good quality
#2 thorough keyword research

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simpleonline1234 14 years ago

I don't get hung up on whether or not my articles will get picked up or not. Just write about topics that will get picked up fast by webmasters and put an anchor text link back to your site in the author bio. It doesn't really matter what your site is about because your building backlinks not web content. So why not give them what they want and get yourself a few backlinks in the process?
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Allen Graves

14 years ago

This is a fun thread to read!

Rather than spouting out my ideas (which seem to fall somewhere in the middle here and have a bit of a different direction) I think I'll watch how things pan out.

My fingers are tired - its been a long year. :-)

Keep it going guys, this is becoming very educational for a lot of people!

Allen

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Alan Mc Donald 14 years ago

convert your articles to PDF's and submit to docstoc and scribd

also convert them to videos and upload to video sites like youtube or use tubemogul or heyspread(these will distribute you videos to multiple video sites)

If you really want to make an article rank well give it a blast with xrumer and some of angelas backlinks

And im my humble opinion the two most important rss directories to submit your article rss feed to are feedagg.com and feeage.com(these two rank really well)
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silvervixen

14 years ago

Here's what I do: I write (or try to write) at least two articles per day. I post them to EZA, Articlesbase, and GoArticles. I don't really post anywhere else because I am happy with the traffic I get from those three. (To tell you the truth, ArticlesBase is giving me a lot of results since my articles get picked up A LOT from there.)

For my blog, I write other articles, and though I've fallen off my schedule with the holidays, I try to update twice a week, and then bookmark my latest blog post with Social Marker. Sometimes, I may use an article I've already written as a blog post, but I try to keep them unique.

How you use article marketing depends on your ultimate goal for using it. Mine is a more long-term strategy. If you have short term goals for your site, then my way won't work for you.

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