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Does anyone else HATE marketing sites?

by CDarklock
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I keep seeing all these threads about how people hate long sales pages, and they hate videos, and they hate audio, and they hate squeeze pages, and they hate email lists, and they hate this and that and the other and so on and so forth. So let's just strip it bare and ask the real question.

Don't you hate it when you go to a site and it's all full of marketing?

I mean, really, where do these people get off trying to get your email, and your address, and your phone number, and your money?

You'd think this was their JOB or something.

But I'm not just here to rant. I'm here to help.

All that stuff you hate about marketing pages?

Fix it.

You are in charge of how you market. You don't have to do it the way people tell you to do it.

They'll make all sorts of noise about what you should do and how you should do it to make more money faster, but never forget that this is a relationship business. If customers hate going to your site, they won't keep doing it.

Whatever you hate about other marketing pages, don't do it. Do something else. Do something you personally would like, and then refine it into something you think everyone would like.

Nobody makes marketers suck. They choose to do it, all by themselves. You can make a different choice.

And what you'll find is that you're not going to make as much money as you would otherwise. You won't make it as fast, either. You'll have to work harder and longer for the same results. But if you just want lots of money fast, and you don't give a damn about the risks or the consequences, go out and rob a bank.

You can run your business any way you like. Pick a way that... well, that you like.
#hate #marketing #sites
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Good post, and it's true. I've been doing it my own way since day one.

    By the way, don't you ever sleep?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      By the way, don't you ever sleep?
      Sleep is for the weak.

      Honestly, I just hate to sleep, so I avoid it as much as possible and try to keep it to a minimum duration. There's so much stuff I could be doing instead of sleeping.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Sleep is for the weak.

        Honestly, I just hate to sleep, so I avoid it as much as possible and try to keep it to a minimum duration. There's so much stuff I could be doing instead of sleeping.

        Hummmm .... Wow CDarklock, That gives me a great idea for a new niche!

        I'll call it "Speed Sleeping" --- I can see the WSO headline now:

        "Try My Revolutionary New Speed Sleeping Course And Learn How To Sleep Fast"
        "With My Fantastic New Product 45 Minutes Of Sleep A Night Is Enough For Anybody!"

        I gotta go --- I'm off to write a long sales letter.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

          I'll call it "Speed Sleeping"
          It's called "entrainment," actually. Works pretty well.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

          Hummmm .... Wow CDarklock, That gives me a great idea for a new niche!

          I'll call it "Speed Sleeping" --- I can see the WSO headline now:

          "Try My Revolutionary New Speed Sleeping Course And Learn How To Sleep Fast"
          "With My Fantastic New Product 45 Minutes Of Sleep A Night Is Enough For Anybody!"

          I gotta go --- I'm off to write a long sales letter.
          Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

          The headline should read:

          "Who else wants to squeeze 8 hours sleep into just 45 minutes a day?"

          Unless the headline starts with "Who else wants to...", it just won't work.

          And don't forget to make the sales page longer than the collected works of William Shakespeare, AND embed a 6 hour video with no controls on it as well.

          One day you'll thank me for this piece of advice.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

            The headline should read:

            "Who else wants to squeeze 8 hours sleep into just 45 minutes a day?"

            Unless the headline starts with "Who else wants to...", it just won't work.

            And don't forget to make the sales page longer than the collected works of William Shakespeare, AND embed a 6 hour video with no controls on it as well.

            One day you'll thank me for this piece of advice.
            I'm already thanking you. That was very timely advice whateverpedia as I was just finishing up the sales letter and the last lot of 200 articles. Jolly, I get a lot more done now that I'm able to sleep fast!!! I can't wait until the product launch next week so I can purchase my first Bently. On second thought, I think I'll buy the second one first.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

              I'm already thanking you. That was very timely advice whateverpedia as I was just finishing up the sales letter and the last lot of 200 articles. Jolly, I get a lot more done now that I'm able to sleep fast!!! I can't wait until the product launch next week so I can purchase my first Bently. On second thought, I think I'll buy the second one first.
              Sheesh.

              You really need to pull your finger out.

              You should have placed the order for the third one by now.

              Lift your game.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
          Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

          Hummmm .... Wow CDarklock, That gives me a great idea for a new niche!

          I'll call it "Speed Sleeping" --- I can see the WSO headline now:

          "Try My Revolutionary New Speed Sleeping Course And Learn How To Sleep Fast"
          "With My Fantastic New Product 45 Minutes Of Sleep A Night Is Enough For Anybody!"

          I gotta go --- I'm off to write a long sales letter.
          lol, why don't you make a video sales letter, you will get done twice as fast. but yah i say test test and test some more, see what works in your niche them implement and perfect it!
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Sleep is for the weak.

        Honestly, I just hate to sleep, so I avoid it as much as possible and try to keep it to a minimum duration. There's so much stuff I could be doing instead of sleeping.
        Yeah sleep is overated ... get plenty of it when I am dead.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by reapr View Post

          Yeah sleep is overated ... get plenty of it when I am dead.
          That's the truth ....

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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by reapr View Post

          Yeah sleep is overated ... get plenty of it when I am dead.
          My candle burns at both ends;
          It will not last the night.
          But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends...
          It gives a lovely light.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    What??!

    Are you crazy??!

    Come up with an original idea myself and stop b1tching and moaning about what everyone else is doing??!

    You cannot be serious!!

    Seriously, I do not moan about what others are doing, if I genuinely do not like something I will simply close it down and I think others will too. It makes a much stronger statement to someone if 90% of all traffic close the site in 2 seconds...especially if it coincides with a new video annoyance.

    The above would be true if people did not ask for real feedback, if they do ask then I will tell them though I have no particular aversion to email, no one forces you to use it or even use a real one that you use every day above one that only gets a look every other month.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hey CDarklock,

    As you know there are ones who do it their own way right here on the WF. Some of them are making the big bucks too. All one has to do is "watch." "They," are the quit ones.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
    There is a reason people do the things they do.......usually because it makes them money. Most of the people you see complaining about it are other marketers. Or so it seems at least. If it didn't work, you wouldn't see so many people doing these type of things.

    But, what may seem like "turning the marketing down" to someone, may still make someone else complain. Can't please everyone and you'll drive yourself crazy trying to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Nicely said CDarklock. If someone show up with some statistical proof and said, "Hey I've found a method that converts better than a minisite / squeeze page / mailing list / fill in the blank", people would be rushing to try it.

    We don't have to be bound into the methods that have worked in the past. We can think for ourselves, be a part of evolution, and come up with new iterations in the path of successful internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    It is offensive how some people have the audacity to make a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author kemdev
    Nice post, dude.

    I've always found it fascinating how people preach being UNIQUE
    to offline businesses yet DEMAND that no one tries to 'reinvent
    the wheel' for their online business.

    What's the point of having your own business if you don't do it
    your own way?

    People need to wake up and realize that there's a huge difference
    between making money online and having an online business. For
    one, you do what everyone else is doing. For the other, you do
    what no one else is doing.

    ...Or at least, that's how I thought it was. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I love everybody and everything.

      Well, except Milli Vanilli.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Well, except Milli Vanilli.
        I blame it on the rain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I blame it on the rain.
          You gotta blame it on somethin.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
            Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

            You gotta blame it on somethin.
            that's true for most people i guess, but excuses always keep ya in the same situation. those who play the blame game never win...
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by Zeze View Post

              that's true for most people i guess, but excuses always keep ya in the same situation. those who play the blame game never win...
              Context, my man, context.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I love everybody and everything.

        Well, except Milli Vanilli.
        That will probably be quite a relief to Rich Little.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    For me, I do sometimes get tired of repetition in marketing, but I would never publically rant at someone's marketing and claim that it doesn't work. That's very small minded.

    I can understand why people get frustrated, because we've all been there not being able to make money and constantly being shown sales messages...

    ...but the turning point for me, was when I realized that in order to make money, I need to see what is working for others.

    At which point, some folks will say "This isn't for me" and go get a job and support their families that way...

    ...and others will say "I've found my career Nirvana, this is so cool". And will go onto being significantly successful as marketers.

    My conclusion from all this is:

    Some people trip over internet marketing when looking for happines and money. Some of them stick around because this game excites them, others stick around for a bit, until they get really bitter and start complaining about how much they hate marketing (despite trying to make money in it), and others will run a mile immediately.

    From what it seems, there seems to be a lot of people stuck in the "temporary" category these days.

    Hey ho, off to work we go...
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    • Profile picture of the author Shoaib
      What many of you are failing to understand here is: You hate "marketing sites" because you ARE a marketer, or at least have a good amount of knowledge on the subject.

      Your average Joe Schmoe would never know in a million years that he was just "marketed" to and that's the reason they dropped 50 bucks on some ebook, or signed up for a $29.99/month membership, etc.

      They would just think they found what they were looking for and bought it.

      Those "marketing sites" are usually not trying to make money off of other marketers, who're in the same game as them. They profit with Joe Schmoe's wallet.

      So we can rant all we want about how we hate sales pages or marketing sites, but in the end, it is what it is. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post

        You hate "marketing sites" because you ARE a marketer
        It's worse than that.

        Marketers hate marketing sites because they think the marketers running those sites are just like them.

        When Joe Marketer goes to Bob Marketer's site, and gets angry that Bob is undoubtedly going to rip him off and try to cheat him... it's because that's what Joe does.

        Give that a little thought the next time you're tempted to rant about this industry. Are you really mad at the industry, or do you just know deep down that you're doing the Wrong Thing yourself?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

          ...I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.
          That may be true, but I have it on good authority you did fall off the spinach truck last week. :rolleyes:

          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Give that a little thought the next time you're tempted to rant about this industry. Are you really mad at the industry, or do you just know deep down that you're doing the Wrong Thing yourself?
          Ooh, I'm guessing that's going to hit a few people a little too close to home.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        I don't necessarily hate marketing sites. And if it takes me 3 clicks to get off them, well, then it takes me 3 clicks. If I don't want to watch the video, then I can click off, no problem.

        I am kind of thinking like this. If it is my goal to make money online, how is it I am going to get more money in the long run. Because I am looking for a long term money making idea. Or I am just looking for a secret tip or trick to get as much money out of people as I can right now.

        I am not on a crusade to save the internet, from my way of thinking, there are so many parts to the internet, I don't think that phrase "the internet" really has much meaning because there are so many different aspects.

        One thing I am wondering is this, if, for instance, I decide to promote a CPA offer that has a continuity backend which charges folks 30.00 USD a month for a product they could get in a drugstore for 9.95, what does that say about my view of the world?

        That I think, people in general are like sheep and deserve to be shorn? That I think if people are stupid enough to buy this product, that they deserve what they get, as long as I get my CPA commission?

        Really, how many lame ebooks and programs have you bought that were obviously ripoffs of some 5 year old strategy that didn't work the first time?

        I suspect that if you are marketing a decent product and you ask enough people if they want to buy it, some of them will say "Yes". Does a marketer really need subterfuge and tricks to get customers buy something? It would appear (gauging by some of the websites I have seen) that some people think that marketing is about secrets and tricks. Can't say for sure, I don't know anybody else's thoughts, it just seems that way sometimes.
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        • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
          My boyfriend wasn't comfortable doing the marketing way in his specialism so we didn't do it and it worked out MUCH better. He thought the marketing way was so tacky and he knew his audience wouldn't like it.

          I am in the process of changing my ways too. I think being ok with something is much more important than money.....

          But yeah I dislike pages full of marketing and it saddens me when I see people I like in my interests using it to suck money out of people. They don't get my money and I lose respect for them.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          Does a marketer really need subterfuge and tricks to get customers buy something? It would appear (gauging by some of the websites I have seen) that some people think that marketing is about secrets and tricks.
          I think that stems from fear and a desire for control. What people think is sort of like "I need $X a month; I'm afraid people won't pay me that on their own; I have to make them give me that money."

          Then they go to some other marketer's site and think "he's trying to make me give him money!" because that's what they do.

          I like to think of marketing as bridge building. You have a product on this side of the river, and a customer on the other, and you have to build a bridge from the product to the customer so he can easily walk across and get the product.

          If you make it easy, and you make it attractive, and you let the customer make up his own mind... you'll get a lot more people across the bridge than if your bridge is made of greased leather, a mechanical boot kicks the customer in the arse to slide him across to your product, and on the other side he falls into a steel cage that won't open until he picks up your product.

          Because the customer is going to go out and say "That ******* kicked me across the bridge and I ended up in a cage." Once you let the customer walk away, he tends to figure out what you did, and if it makes him angry... you probably shouldn't have done it.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            I keep seeing all these threads about how people hate long sales pages, and they hate videos, and they hate audio, and they hate squeeze pages, and they hate email lists, and they hate this and that and the other and so on and so forth. So let's just strip it bare and ask the real question.

            Don't you hate it when you go to a site and it's all full of marketing?

            I mean, really, where do these people get off trying to get your email, and your address, and your phone number, and your money?

            You'd think this was their JOB or something.
            Caliban, when I saw this post, the script for a new ad popped into my mind...

            Scene: Conference table at nameless corporation. A group of marketing types huddle around a laptop at one end of the table. Another marketing type sits at the other end looking generally pissed off at the world.

            Marketer 1: That'll never work. I hate those long sales letters.

            Marketer 2: And that video is waaay too long - I'd never watch that.

            Marketer 3: I know! Let's show it to Mikey - he hates everything!

            The three marketing types slide the laptop down to Mikey at the other end of the table and watch closely as Mikey scowls at the screen...

            Their jaws drop in unison as they watch Mikey smile and whip out his credit card...

            Marketers 1, 2 and 3 (in unison): He likes it! Hey Mikey...

            Cut to scene of the marketers lined up behind Mikey, their own credit cards in hand...

            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            That may be true, but I have it on good authority you did fall off the spinach truck last week. :rolleyes:
            Nah, Big Mike would never get on the spinach truck. That drunken Greek just walked into the back of it and fell on his ass...
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Caliban, when I saw this post, the script for a new ad popped into my mind...

              Scene: Conference table at nameless corporation. A group of marketing types huddle around a laptop at one end of the table. Another marketing type sits at the other end looking generally pissed off at the world.

              Marketer 1: That'll never work. I hate those long sales letters.

              Marketer 2: And that video is waaay too long - I'd never watch that.

              Marketer 3: I know! Let's show it to Mikey - he hates everything!

              The three marketing types slide the laptop down to Mikey at the other end of the table and watch closely as Mikey scowls at the screen...

              Their jaws drop in unison as they watch Mikey smile and whip out his credit card...

              Marketers 1, 2 and 3 (in unison): He likes it! Hey Mikey...

              Cut to scene of the marketers lined up behind Mikey, their own credit cards in hand...

              John...that's brilliant.

              Somebody should do it...and fast!
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Nah, Big Mike would never get on the spinach truck. That drunken Greek just walked into the back of it and fell on his ass...
              Oh that was good, real good.

              About the only thing I'm tired of are sales pages that start off...
              Who else wants to...
              Gad, there must be a million sales pages that start off with that. It's sooo boring.
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                About the only thing I'm tired of are sales pages that start off...
                Who else wants to...
                Gad, there must be a million sales pages that start off with that. It's sooo boring.
                Ooh, ooh, ooh! For a copywriting product:

                Who else wants to write headlines without saying "who else wants to"?
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  Ooh, ooh, ooh! For a copywriting product:

                  Who else wants to write headlines without saying "who else wants to"?
                  too funny!
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      You know what I hate even worse than Marketing Sites? Marketing Forums!

      I mean, come on man, all they do is preach this crap about how to make money like it really works. As if they know what works and what doesn't - they just want to sell you ****.
      Right on!

      You know what I hate even more than Marketing Forums? Threads about Marketing on the Marketing Forums! I mean really. Where do these people get off? I'm on a forum to rant and rave, not discuss or learn! Jeez.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Brian Tayler View Post

        Right on!

        You know what I hate even more than Marketing Forums? Threads about Marketing on the Marketing Forums! I mean really. Where do these people get off? I'm on a forum to rant and rave, not discuss or learn! Jeez.
        I'm here for the guacamole dip.
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  • Profile picture of the author larrysbookbiz
    That bank idea sounds tempting..how much does the course cost?
    BTW Great post
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I'm trying to decide what to order you to buy today, Caliban. Decisions, decisions.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I know some that will run far away from a site that even looks like a marketing site ...lol Personally myself I am with Steven I love everybody ...

    James
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    When I build a LP I always try to think like a potential customer and try to avoid things that would annoy the average person.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    How dare you put to use a proven method. Why can't you just make me happy. Why do you need to make a Living on it. You want my email address and my name? But you will give me a $97 product for it? well why can't you just give it to me.

    The fact is people that complain about this stuff also don't make any money so it seems oxymoronic to do that but they seem to come out of the woodwork lately to do so. I don't like extra long sales letters but the letter needs to be a bit long how else do you relate everything needed to relate about the product and benefits /features of it.

    I even use one. A squeeze page is simple but sales letters . well. people need to know what they are getting and how it will solve whatever issue they have.

    I am so tired of seeing I hate this and why do they do this and yet the ones doing it are cranking out sales and the ones complaining about what works obviously are not. yeah I want to take advice from a person like that for sure maybe even build my business around it I mean hello??
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      On thing that I think is almost indisputable. I say almost because there
      are always exceptions.

      You will almost never see somebody who is actually successfully earning a
      living online bitch about these things.

      So it really makes you wonder.

      Do the people who do bitch about these things just do it because they're
      jealous of those who are successful and frustrated by the fact that they
      are not?

      It's kind of like the unpopular dude in school who walks around all day
      bad mouthing the cheerleaders, calling them all tramps...simply because
      he has no chance with them.

      You learn a lot about human behavior by watching how people act.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You will almost never see somebody who is actually successfully earning a living online bitch about these things.
        If you think about it, you almost never see someone successfully earning a living online bitch about anything. Whenever it looks like they might start to bitch, it turns out to be some artsy-fartsy personal development lesson or something.

        It's kind of like the unpopular dude in school who walks around all day bad mouthing the cheerleaders, calling them all tramps...simply because he has no chance with them.
        Well, you know what they say about the difference between a slut and a whore; a slut sleeps with everyone, and a whore sleeps with everyone except you.

        You learn a lot about human behavior by watching how people act.
        WTF, are you trying to be the next Yogi Berra?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

      The fact is people that complain about this stuff also don't make any money so it seems oxymoronic to do that but they seem to come out of the woodwork lately to do so. I don't like extra long sales letters but the letter needs to be a bit long how else do you relate everything needed to relate about the product and benefits /features of it.
      Well, actually that's not true. I make money and I hate email marketing that abuse my email address and quickly take away the permission I gave to them to use it to send me messages.

      Long sales letters bore me to death. If they convert, fine ... use them, but I rarely ever see a sales page that really grabs me. Usually if I buy, it's because someone recommended the product and it's something I need. I don't bother reading all the crap before the order button.

      Only one time did I read a sales page entirely and that was simply because I had never seen that approach ... it WAS unique, controversial, interesting, and funny. I bought a product that I wasn't sure I wanted BECAUSE of the sales letter. It was Rich Jerk's sales letter, so anyone who thinks that thinking outside of the box and taking their own approach ... you may be wrong about that.

      Just because someone tells you that a free gift (for an opt-in) is worth $97, doesn't make it so. I've promptly deleted more than one free gift that someone said was worth at least $97 ... actually, they usually exaggerate a bit more and says it's worth a couple of hundred.

      Just because many marketers subscribe to the same techniques because they've been told that it works and they won't make any money if they don't do it that way, doesn't mean that they are doing it well.

      How many very long but really crappy sales letters have you seen? If you haven't seen a lot, you're not looking. How many seem to be just carbon copies of many other sales letters?

      How many times am I going to see
      WHO ELSE WANTS ... BLAH BLAH BLAH

      Is anyone aware that you can start a sales letter without using WHO ELSE WANTS?

      I'm so sick of seeing it, I just close the page after I read those 3 words.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


        Long sales letters bore me to death. If they convert, fine ... use them, but I rarely ever see a sales page that really grabs me. Usually if I buy, it's because someone recommended the product and it's something I need. I don't bother reading all the crap before the order button.

        Only one time did I read a sales page entirely and that was simply because I had never seen that approach ... it WAS unique, controversial, interesting, and funny. I bought a product that I wasn't sure I wanted BECAUSE of the sales letter. It was Rich Jerk's sales letter, so anyone who thinks that thinking outside of the box and taking their own approach ... you may be wrong about that.
        And therein lies the ultimate answer. Originality.

        It's not the TV set that gets boring, it's the re-runs that play endlessly on them.


        Just because many marketers subscribe to the same techniques because they've been told that it works and they won't make any money if they don't do it that way, doesn't mean that they are doing it well.
        LOL, I agree. But I still think the point remains - if you're a genuine prospect in need of the product, sales letters flat out work.

        Why? Because they cover objections, describe features and benefits, build desire, apply pressure...

        ...all of the psychological elements that have been making people buy since time began (or since trade began, at least).
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Just because someone tells you that a free gift (for an opt-in) is worth $97, doesn't make it so.
        Good rule of thumb, use it myself:

        If you can't find someone else selling it for the price you say it's worth, it's not worth that.

        I've got a video course in the members area for my WSO which I didn't create; I just bought rights to it. And that course says it's worth $197. The sales page they hand me to use in my own marketing says $197. So I went out looking for it online, and the highest price I found it selling for was $47.

        So when I mailed my list and said "hey, added this bonus for you," I didn't say it's a $197 course. I said there were real people out there who were really selling it for $47.
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Hi,

        No one said taking your own approach is wrong. I don't like a ton of sales letters. I don't use who else wants to I think it automatically implies deception .

        However. I am awful sick and tired of rants about proven methods which I am beginning to see every single day on here. I don't for one second believe they are making cash . You personalized that but I have yet to see you post a rant about the sales process.

        It is fine if we don't like something but that is not to say people should not do it. I personally am trying to figure out how to write these things in a way I don't come across as some hypey moron trying to squeeze every last cent out of the customer. But if I ask a copywriter how does this look I get all sorts of reactions like aw change this and change that and change this and change that some say looks good check spelling even after doing said changes I find it worse then it was before So i gave up asking closed my thread and will figure it out on my own. every single thing I read tells me to do it this way. But the funny thing is I don't for the life of me see how it works but yet it is responsible for hundreds of millions even billions of dollars in sales so what do I know.

        I don't ascribe to the norm because for one thing I am not normal although I am to me. But If trying to do something that works is wrong then how can anyone say they are right?

        Being Unique and being stupid are 2 different things. I don't like using bullet points but they are proven to work. I don't like having to put a bunch of stuff at the top hoping it will grab their attention but it is proven to work. I don't like having to draw people in why can't they decide on their own without my help of trying to convince them. I don't know but it works. I can't stand the fact I need to have one of these things at all but I do so I have to or I won't get the expected result I want.

        I am not saying it is wrong I say it works. people that start posting and literally whining about how I hate this and that about marketing should either take some honest lessons and apply them or leave the marketing to the pros. Whether they are or are not making cash is not the point ripping a sales strategy apart because they don't like it is like walking into a retail store and telling them they are doing it wrong even though they gross a ton of cash in profit. it makes 0 sense.

        I am absolutely sickened inside when I see people ripping one aspect or another apart and from the way they do I can tell they do not make sales at least not any to write home about. so I don't think saying that is inaccurate. Ripping apart the aspects of proven methods without any sort of alternative shows that they don't really have a clue about what they are speaking of to begin with. I don't like this so I tried this and guess what I got xxx conversion rate with it. Never do i see that all I see is a "problem' being ranted about but as marketers we are to look at the problems and bring the Solutions to those problems. so how on a marketing forum is this even going on I don't get it

        -WD

        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Well, actually that's not true. I make money and I hate email marketing that abuse my email address and quickly take away the permission I gave to them to use it to send me messages.

        Long sales letters bore me to death. If they convert, fine ... use them, but I rarely ever see a sales page that really grabs me. Usually if I buy, it's because someone recommended the product and it's something I need. I don't bother reading all the crap before the order button.

        Only one time did I read a sales page entirely and that was simply because I had never seen that approach ... it WAS unique, controversial, interesting, and funny. I bought a product that I wasn't sure I wanted BECAUSE of the sales letter. It was Rich Jerk's sales letter, so anyone who thinks that thinking outside of the box and taking their own approach ... you may be wrong about that.

        Just because someone tells you that a free gift (for an opt-in) is worth $97, doesn't make it so. I've promptly deleted more than one free gift that someone said was worth at least $97 ... actually, they usually exaggerate a bit more and says it's worth a couple of hundred.

        Just because many marketers subscribe to the same techniques because they've been told that it works and they won't make any money if they don't do it that way, doesn't mean that they are doing it well.

        How many very long but really crappy sales letters have you seen? If you haven't seen a lot, you're not looking. How many seem to be just carbon copies of many other sales letters?

        How many times am I going to see
        WHO ELSE WANTS ... BLAH BLAH BLAH

        Is anyone aware that you can start a sales letter without using WHO ELSE WANTS?

        I'm so sick of seeing it, I just close the page after I read those 3 words.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

          It is fine if we don't like something but that is not to say people should not do it.
          Where did I tell anyone not to do it?

          Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

          I am absolutely sickened inside when I see people ripping one aspect or another apart and from the way they do I can tell they do not make sales at least not any to write home about.
          If you are absolutely sickened by people posting their opinions on an open public forum, perhaps you should avoid forums. You are taking life far too seriously.

          My opinions are mine and I am free to share them here, just as you are. There are few things that people can say here that sicken me (but there are a couple) and they are more serious than people not liking different aspects of sales processes.

          One thing that always strikes me with many long sales letters is that they must be targeted to the very gullible and not too intelligent customer. I hear over and over on many forums that people think Internet Marketers are a bunch of scammers. They are all thrown into the same pot. They hate long sales letters. They are obviously not the target market. I've seen some brilliant sales letters that would appeal to more of a "thinking" sort of person, but they are few and far between. This is purely my opinion on the target market not being the brightest pennies in the pot.

          To end on a light note ... I would like to share with you my very favorite sales letter, written by the King of Sales Letters, IMHO and the satire behind this only confirms to me my thoughts of the target market mentality.

          Buy My Stupid Ebook, Overly SEO d Title, Keywords Crammed like Make Money Online Make Money Online Make Money Online
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          • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
            Nope you and I are seeming to have a misunderstanding. I said above I have yet to see you post a rant about the sales process. I am speaking of lately I see a ton of people ranting abut everything from headlines to length to layout etc. it seems that the ones ripping it apart are not understanding what converts. I myself love to be different i do so naturally

            Sorry if I made you feel i was directing it all at you because that is not the case what sickens me is the fact I stated above people ripping the things apart without any other option offered it is one thing to rip apart it is another to say this I hate so this is what I tried and it works .

            the problem meets the solution.

            I quite respect what you say you very good at relating and bold when needed I think that is admirable I even sent you a friend request at some point.

            I think I came across a different way then intended and for that I apologize I respect people's opinions sure but I don't respect the whole process I worked my @ off to learn being ripped apart because then I start to question things that I learned even though they are responsible for huge dollars in sales. and with no other viable soluton it just makes me frustrated beyond belief.

            -WD

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Where did I tell anyone not to do it?



            If you are absolutely sickened by people posting their opinions on an open public forum, perhaps you should avoid forums. You are taking life far too seriously.

            My opinions are mine and I am free to share them here, just as you are. There are few things that people can say here that sicken me (but there are a couple) and they are more serious than people not liking different aspects of sales processes.

            One thing that always strikes me with many long sales letters is that they must be targeted to the very gullible and not too intelligent customer. I hear over and over on many forums that people think Internet Marketers are a bunch of scammers. They are all thrown into the same pot. They hate long sales letters. They are obviously not the target market. I've seen some brilliant sales letters that would appeal to more of a "thinking" sort of person, but they are few and far between. This is purely my opinion on the target market not being the brightest pennies in the pot.

            To end on a light note ... I would like to share with you my very favorite sales letter, written by the King of Sales Letters, IMHO and the satire behind this only confirms to me my thoughts of the target market mentality.

            Buy My Stupid Ebook, Overly SEO d Title, Keywords Crammed like Make Money Online Make Money Online Make Money Online
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Not a problem at all. I don't normally post rants, although I like to read a good rant, purely for the entertainment value

              But I do normally chime in on these type of posts because I really do get turned off by some of the antics I see in sales letters and get turned off when I opt in for something and then immediately start to get bombarded with one sales pitch after another, often getting 2 emails per day or at least one (which is far too frequently for my tastes).

              But no .... there's no problem here at all. I didn't take offence.


              Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

              Nope you and I are seeming to have a misunderstanding. I said above I have yet to see you post a rant about the sales process. I am speaking of lately I see a ton of people ranting abut everything from headlines to length to layout etc. it seems that the ones ripping it apart are not understanding what converts. I myself love to be different i do so naturally

              Sorry if I made you feel i was directing it all at you because that is not the case what sickens me is the fact I stated above people ripping the things apart without any other option offered it is one thing to rip apart it is another to say this I hate so this is what I tried and it works .

              the problem meets the solution.

              I quite respect what you say you very good at relating and bold when needed I think that is admirable I even sent you a friend request at some point.

              I think I came across a different way then intended and for that I apologize I respect people's opinions sure but I don't respect the whole process I worked my @ off to learn being ripped apart because then I start to question things that I learned even though they are responsible for huge dollars in sales. and with no other viable soluton it just makes me frustrated beyond belief.

              -WD
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    That was a refreshing post and I hope that some are inspired to take a different approach. It does get so boring seeing the same approach and methods everywhere you go.

    Those of us who are marketers in the WF, probably see more than the usual amount of sales pages, videos, email pitches and just get tired of the same old same old ... and I know the response ... well, it works or it converts.

    But has anyone tested a fresh, unique approach ... and out-of-the-box idea? I've only got one sales page site but I think when I put together my next one, I'm going to rethink it completely and NOT DO everything that currently bores me to tears on so many sales pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      But has anyone tested a fresh, unique approach ... and out-of-the-box idea?
      I have one, but I'm not sure how well it's going to play out. It's this whole "IM superhero" concept that's sort of like the Superfriends or something. It's going to be hysterical, but I honestly don't know if they'll let me work in this industry anymore after I do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        I have one, but I'm not sure how well it's going to play out. It's this whole "IM superhero" concept that's sort of like the Superfriends or something. It's going to be hysterical, but I honestly don't know if they'll let me work in this industry anymore after I do it.
        Ok I got my credit card handy for this ....

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That was a refreshing post and I hope that some are inspired to take a different approach. It does get so boring seeing the same approach and methods everywhere you go.

      Those of us who are marketers in the WF, probably see more than the usual amount of sales pages, videos, email pitches and just get tired of the same old same old ... and I know the response ... well, it works or it converts.

      But has anyone tested a fresh, unique approach ... and out-of-the-box idea? I've only got one sales page site but I think when I put together my next one, I'm going to rethink it completely and NOT DO everything that currently bores me to tears on so many sales pages.
      At one time, everything that is now boring us to tears was new.

      Somebody started a lot of the stuff we see today. It didn't just
      materialize out of nowhere.

      Now, when was the last time somebody tried something really innovative?

      I honestly have no idea.

      Maybe some of the real old folks here can remember who it was who did
      whatever it was for the first time.

      Should be an interesting discussion.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Now, when was the last time somebody tried something really innovative?
        Frank Kern's Mass Control 2 squeeze page. It was like twelve different kinds of awesome wrapped up in a big ball of win.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


      But has anyone tested a fresh, unique approach ... and out-of-the-box idea?
      Earn Marketing Tools While Playing Games .. How is that for creative and fresh idea for you Suzanne ...lol It is coming soon - seriously...

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  • Profile picture of the author dholowiski
    Excellent post, I couldn't agree more! Have you read crush it? Basically the idea is, make yourself and your brand so authentic and irresistible that people beat down your door to give you money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    I agree with this post. Not much more to say..I think you hit it right on the head!

    But then again, I probably agree because I well...like Sales pages

    Or mine at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    The reason people hate buying cars is because doing it 'without all the games' doesn't work' It is the buyers themselves that determine how they are marketed to. If they respond in much larger numbers to long sales letters, pop-ups, pretty girls walking across the bottom of their screens, etc; then that is what marketers will use.

    You want to be marketed to differently, then respond positively to different stimuli. It amazes me that some will complain, yet the only way they will pull out the credit card is when you do what they claim they don't like. Sheesh!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      You want to be marketed to differently, then respond positively to different stimuli. It amazes me that some will complain, yet the only way they will pull out the credit card is when you do what they claim they don't like. Sheesh!
      Exactly, it's just the opposite of those who say they hate spam, but then turn around and buy something from a spammer. If you hate spam, quit buying from spammers! If everyone did that the amount of spam sent would be cut down dramatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    I complain about a lot of things to do with Internet Marketing and often get into arguments with other marketers about the benefits of using quality design in sales pages, products, etc. (don't get me started. )

    But for me, it's just friendly debates about the industry in general.

    I might be talking to a friend who has a site that looks like a Rubik's Cube threw up all over it and if their only defense is that is has "killer conversions", then sometimes it's fun to bug them about it. lol

    And long sales pages? Yeah, I hate 'em. But I don't have to read them, do I? I'd only be "mad" if marketers were forcing my face up against a monitor and making me read it out loud with a gun to my head.

    When I do genuinely complain about marketing tactics, it's usually from the perspective of a customer.

    For instance, I will say "I hate those exit pop ups with the stock photo of a sexy tech support lady next to a fake chat window".

    They simply annoy me, so sometimes I might rant a little. BUT that doesn't mean I'm mad at any fellow marketers who like to make money using those "support windows". Pfft, what do I care? That stock photo lady isn't hurting anyone. I personally won't use them, even if I know I'd get "killer conversions" with them.

    Have I made a point yet? I think what I'm trying to say is that I agree with what CD said and if you don't like something, don't get so upset about it. Just do things your own way and try to live stress free.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    You have yourself one fine sales copy headline right there, my friend. Just add...

    Who Else Wants...

    Originally Posted by CDarlock

    .....twelve different kinds of awesome wrapped up in a big ball of win.
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      Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

      The headline should read:

      "Who else wants to squeeze 8 hours sleep into just 45 minutes a day?"

      Unless the headline starts with "Who else wants to...", it just won't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    yeah some of the optin things drive me bananas LOL anyone sending me more then 1 a week bothers me I usually just unsubscribe funny how it works eh we join others lists because they offer something we think is of value and sometimes it is garbage well lots of time I found but then immediately after opting in bammo buy this now . and you know it is just a crappy email tactic I often wonder to myself. why do I join these lists again? sometimes I have people who sign up immediately unsubscribe during giveaways I find that to be not cool but I respect it they are saying I just want the offer not the many emails everyone sends.

    Anyhow good to have it cleared up I certainly was not trying to portray anyting other then sometimes it picks my ears with these posts I see lately.:p
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    I think I'll sit here for a while. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author hjaynes
      I once heard "A sermon doesn't have to be eternal to be everlasting." I have to agree that some of the sales copies are lonnnnnnnng.... I normally know within a paragraph or two if I want to buy or not and just skip down to the BUY NOW button.

      I know there was the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1984... but can't there be the Digital 1's And 0's Reduction Act of 2010?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        There's a couple of ideas that have appeared in this thread, that I don't quite understand and if someone could take a minute to help me with those, I would greatly appreciate it.

        I guess the first one is, what is the connection between having and voicing an opinion, a rant, or strongly worded post and making or not making a lot of money. If someone knew of a study (I am one of those folks who really does enjoy reading studies) and could point me in that direction, I would count that as a great favor.

        The other one is I was wondering what some other people here say when explaining what they do for a living. I usually say that I am one of those internet guys, or that I market online with websites. Not because I am ashamed of being a marketer, as a matter of fact I like that a lot, but because I have learned that after about 20 seconds of trying to explain about adsense or affilaite marketing or info products I see their eyes glaze over. Although in all fairness, this may be because I am always super enthusiastic about what I do and mostly what they want to know is why they don't see me leaving to go to work anymore in the morning.

        I would also have to say that I have already learned a great deal from reading the opinions expressed in this thread and I truly appreciate OP taking the time to start this.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          I guess the first one is, what is the connection between having and voicing an opinion, a rant, or strongly worded post and making or not making a lot of money.
          There isn't. But there's a connection when the opinion/rant/post centres around how everything bad in your life is someone else's fault. People who take responsibility for their own lives are overwhelmingly more likely to be successful.

          The other one is I was wondering what some other people here say when explaining what they do for a living.
          These days, usually goes something like this.

          I'm a writer.

          "What do you write?"

          Have you ever seen those web pages that say how much money you can make on the internet?

          "Yeah."

          I write those.

          "Does that really work?"

          Yes, but you'll still work eight to ten hours a day. It's a job. It may be a job working for yourself on the internet, but it's still a job.

          "Well, how much money can you make?"

          About as much as you would make with a job.
          If people push, I make the critical point: if the boss-man really does keep you down, and you really could do a lot better on your own, you'll do it on the internet. But if you don't, there is nobody to blame. If you don't make money, it's your fault.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
            Too bad there is not a study.

            Absolutely spot on with responsibility. Each person is in charge of their own life. I have found this to be a most liberating idea in my own life. I have made great changes in my own life based on this one idea. And have been much the better for doing so. I have found that if a person is not responsible for their own life, then how can they possibly go about changing it if they want something different.

            Referring to the original title of this thread, I don't know if I HATE marketing sites, there are some things I don't personally like, but others do them, but I get a little sad once in a while when I read salesletters selling secrets that someone is keeping from me, or encouraging me to steal someone's list or their keywords, kill or murder someone or something. While I might want to learn things that would help me in my quest to be an ever improving marketer, I sure don't want to invite those ugly kinds of thoughts into my life.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
              CDarklock, you're hitting on a lot of good physiological points especially this one: "But if you don't, there is nobody to blame. If you don't make money, it's your fault."

              If you don't like something either figure out why you don't like it or change it so you won't hate it. Why are you even doing things you hate? If you hate it so much just imagine what your customers will feel?

              I tend to stay away from topics which have the word "hate" in the title and instead focus on what works for me.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
                Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

                CDarklock, you're hitting on a lot of good physiological points especially this one: "But if you don't, there is nobody to blame. If you don't make money, it's your fault."

                If you don't like something either figure out why you don't like it or change it so you won't hate it. Why are you even doing things you hate? If you hate it so much just imagine what your customers will feel?

                I tend to stay away from topics which have the word "hate" in the title and instead focus on what works for me.
                most true, like robert kiyosaki said in "rich dad, poor dad" most people who (have the opportunity) are poor because of laziness and self doubt. how sad
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    I totally agree, you are in charge of your own way of marketing. Finding your own unique way to get a message out will be different for everyone. I think it all depends on the visitors that come to the squeeze/sale/blog or whatever page you send them too.

    If I am reading a sales page, and the page is like a compelling story, then I don't mind reading the whole thing. But if the whole sales page just reads like a big sales pitch then I don't read it, and I rarely would be interested in buying the product/service. I'm starting to see alot of people using videos or even rarer are the people using webnairs as there sales pages. Too me, the issue has many parameters, the niche, the visitor, the design of the page, the owner of the site/blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

    I keep seeing all these threads about how people hate long sales pages, and they hate videos, and they hate audio, and they hate squeeze pages, and they hate email lists, and they hate this and that and the other and so on and so forth. So let's just strip it bare and ask the real question.

    Don't you hate it when you go to a site and it's all full of marketing?

    I mean, really, where do these people get off trying to get your email, and your address, and your phone number, and your money?

    You'd think this was their JOB or something.

    But I'm not just here to rant. I'm here to help.

    All that stuff you hate about marketing pages?

    Fix it.

    You are in charge of how you market. You don't have to do it the way people tell you to do it.

    They'll make all sorts of noise about what you should do and how you should do it to make more money faster, but never forget that this is a relationship business. If customers hate going to your site, they won't keep doing it.

    Whatever you hate about other marketing pages, don't do it. Do something else. Do something you personally would like, and then refine it into something you think everyone would like.

    Nobody makes marketers suck. They choose to do it, all by themselves. You can make a different choice.

    And what you'll find is that you're not going to make as much money as you would otherwise. You won't make it as fast, either. You'll have to work harder and longer for the same results. But if you just want lots of money fast, and you don't give a damn about the risks or the consequences, go out and rob a bank.

    You can run your business any way you like. Pick a way that... well, that you like.
    thanks for the post. its a real motivator...i call it the "dare to be different" post
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    Let's say it is someone else's fault. If so, what are the chance's the instigator of the wrong against you will help you? It still is up to you to make things work in your life to increase the chances of success. However there is a remote chance that fortune will fall on you from the skies like manna from meteorites (as Immanuel Velikovsky might say).
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Long sales letters do work.

    Just the crappy ugly as **** ones don't.

    I am an internet marketer and I nearly, NEARLY bought a few products based on their sales letters alone because they were so impressive. I didn't buy there and then because I went on Google to search for "product name discount", but in the end I still bought it solely based on the sexy ass sales page.

    I must agree some sales pages are way too long and suck too much.

    I mean, would you want to buy something that has a woman who has the physique or Operah in a bikini but claims to be able to land you the women of your dreams?

    That's what ugly ass sales pages remind me of.

    Or would you rather buy the same product promoted by Miss universe in a bikini?

    That's what an attractive sales page is like.

    ATTENTION GRABBING!

    GETS TO THE POINT!

    MAKES YOU NOT WANT TO LOOK AWAY!!

    MAKES YOU BEG FOR MORE!

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      Long sales letters do work.
      Long posts apparently don't. You didn't even make it past the first comma.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    I hate review sites the most. If I click on a site, and I see 3 products with 5 stars, 4.5 stars, and who cares...they don't know jack about those products!

    But that doesn't mean that it's a bad marketing plan for them to implement. I'm guessing they've done testing, and it's the most profitable for them. They just aren't getting my money!

    It's best explained by the ghetto.. Don't hate the playa, hate the game!
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I agree that too much copy can be a turn off. I prefer to get right to the point. That is what I have done in my landing page and videos. I just created one that is Google Adwords friendly. I still have some tweaking to do, got to be able to capture an e-mail and name, this is IM ya know....
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  • Profile picture of the author sandra.IMqueen
    last time , i saw same thing on mike hill's promotional page of cpatsunami. It was video, short sales letter , no graphics and then FAQ. I loved it. I seriously believe in coming years we will see end of long sales letters. Mike has already announced its death though.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Well I got the opposite of the long sales pitch in my email today.

    A spammer sent me an url ... ezsellingsomecrap.com ... nothing else

    I had to call in the troops to hold me back from clicking... yeah right
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    • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
      I'm guessing they've done testing
      Ha, most people think "testing" means how long their patience can be tried.

      Meaning, of the population of website owners and managers out there, only a small tiny speck of people actually do any kind of testing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Zeze View Post

        ...but excuses always keep ya in the same situation
        That's a good line, I'm going to steal it from you.

        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        My candle burns at both ends;
        It will not last the night.
        But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends...
        It gives a lovely light.
        Ah...Edna St. Vincent Millay would like your autograph for that lovely stanza.
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