1,740,000 Annual searches and I could've owned it all

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So there I am, just researching a site I can build, one that I can make into an extremely tasty niche for myself for the next year or two until I come to have need to figure out my next step and I looked for something I would probably come up with in google and got this for the exact keyword search:

145,000 global searches per month

45,000 local

23,500 exact matches with these little dot thingies encapsulating it "

Is that not the prettiest little result you ever did see?

Thats 1,740,000 searches a year for a tiny tiny niche where I would own the exact 2-keyword website name which is insanely targeted!!

You cannot even target one of the words without including the other like you couldn't with "Key + Board" lol

And then the kicker, some domain squatter/vulture already has the .com for the EXACT 2-keyword URL

Fair enough, it is probably to be expected of course but they have advertised it for sale so I get a little catch in my throat, if they are willing to sell it maybe I might be able to get myself a tasty treat.

£5,000!! :jawdrop:

Are people crazy that they feel the need to put such an insane price on what is essentially worthless and is not earning them a cent while it is simply sitting there doing absolutely sod all?

Then I remember what Charles said one time, you do not even need the .com to be successful...

WOOHOO!!

.org be mine
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
    Let us know how you get on please.

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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    In my personal experience, the .com is NECESSARY for Glory, type in traffic and branding.

    If you are just going direct from SERPs and out again to an offer (with little branding or hope for customer return) then it really doesnt matter if you dont have the COM
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      In my personal experience, the .com is NECESSARY for Glory, type in traffic and branding.

      If you are just going direct from SERPs and out again to an offer (with little branding or hope for customer return) then it really doesnt matter if you dont have the COM
      wikipedia and craigslist are doing pretty well with .org . If you are branding something, people will easily figure out that your domain is a .org etc...
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        Since noone mentioned this yet, I'll do.

        It's not enough to own the exact-match dot.com, dot.net, or dot.org to dominate the market. It's not some magic pixie dust. You need to evaluate whether the niche is hard or easy, before even thinking of buying a domain name:
        • How many competing pages are there for this term?
        • How strong is each of the 1st ten competing pages (that's your real competition)?
        • Do you see any "easily displaced" pages like an EZA or some web 2.0 property in the top 10?
        • Is there traffic? (You did this part, great job!)
        First scope out the target of your efforts, then scope out the tools (including domain names of course).

        Just my $0.02 opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        wikipedia and craigslist are doing pretty well with .org . If you are branding something, people will easily figure out that your domain is a .org etc...

        Both wikipedia and craigslist own the .COM version of the name as well, it's just redirected to the .ORG (although craigslist should be a .com since it's a commerce site).


        .ORG was supposed to be for ORGanizations while .COM was supposed to be for COMmerce. No one seems to pay attention to those anymore though.


        In fact, as far as type in traffic goes, I almost always type in craigslist.com and up until your post never actively realized that I did it (although in my head i knew it was .org).
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  • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
    You can outrank him/her with the .org

    Go for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Thanks for the answers guys.

    Greg, at this point I am not planning to sell anything directly but get traffic at first, and for that I need a search term that is going to dominate the entire market. If it does well I can put in an offer for the .com at a later stage. I am hoping not to make a website where people will not think they will see another boring offer to make millions with google but give them real information they need when they actually need it.

    I will not be selling them anything just yet, I will maybe at the most have a few amazon offers placed discretely on my page...the money will come later
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
      Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

      Thanks for the answers guys.

      Greg, at this point I am not planning to sell anything directly but get traffic at first, and for that I need a search term that is going to dominate the entire market. If it does well I can put in an offer for the .com at a later stage.
      Lol, dont you know the price will go up then



      personally based on your strategy, since you want it to be memorable, I would take a variation of the .com that will be memorable and develop that. since you seem to be going for branding.

      so if the domain in question is monkeywrench.com (which is squatted)

      I would actually develop MyMonkeyWrench.com

      as it is much more memorable than the .net or .org
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  • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
    People who grab domains and just squat on them frustrate the heck out of me. But even I do it sometimes. I have a handful of domains I haven't used. But I plan to use all of them eventually. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Wide
      The value of his domain is from the type-in traffic.
      He probably want anywhere from 12-24 months of income (maby even more).

      But ye, I want a domain that belongs to one of those people aswell and he want $12.000 for it. Very good name which im saving up for at the moment, should be able to grab it in a couple of months.
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      • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
        Originally Posted by Wide View Post

        The value of his domain is from the type-in traffic.
        He probably want anywhere from 12-24 months of income (maby even more).

        But ye, I want a domain that belongs to one of those people aswell and he want $12.000 for it. Very good name which im saving up for at the moment, should be able to grab it in a couple of months.
        That's why they do it. People will pay up for those domain names. 12k for a domain name? And he's saving up for it.

        Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are a few sites out there that are worth it, but I could think of a better way to spend 5 or 10 grand than on a domain name.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
          Originally Posted by Victor Edson View Post

          That's why they do it. People will pay up for those domain names. 12k for a domain name? And he's saving up for it.

          Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are a few sites out there that are worth it, but I could think of a better way to spend 5 or 10 grand than on a domain name.
          Bollox to that!!

          I am not planning on spending £5,000 at this stage of the game simply because I do not have a penny to my name...I don't even have enough for hosting until I get pennies from my second life shares account which equals right now $100 (I started with 20c 3 months ago and simply bought and sold constantly)

          What I plan to do is link from my AMAZING niche area to others and build it up and build it up and collect even more websites in collaboration and eventually get to the point where I can get a couple of DRAGONS to recognise the power of it and offer then 40% for absolutely no collateral or money expenditure and they will bounce the value millions of percent directly through their expertise and contacts.

          60% left over from giving 40% away for nothing is obviously worth billions if the people I partner with are amongst the most powerful business leaders in England, and they can get me an audience with super-powered billion-pound business empires in minutes where it could take me years otherwise...

          Right now my idea is worth nothing until I start making money, but if I get a few dragons who have direct links to people like Sir Richard Branson or Sir Alan Sugar my idea will make me my millions.

          Right now I have nothing but a name and an idea, until that idea takes shape and I get other people on board it is still worth nothing. I do not have the technical or manegerial skills to make it but if I can capture their imagination...HOLY F**KING CRAP ON A STICK!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    How many competing pages are there for this term?
    Hundreds, but they are all spread out all over the place in a feudal system much like old England, no one has ever tried to get them to band together in a serious way before. Approaching others and building diplomatic links is my strong point from many years of experience, culminating in getting an exclusive interview with one of the most despised and secretive clans in the online computer games world (which is worth hundred of millions of dollars) for my website when no one else thought it possible.

    How strong is each of the 1st ten competing pages (that's your real competition)?
    Basically you are looking at the likes of IBM, Microsoft and AT&T.

    A normal person would look at that and say privately..."I'm Screwed"

    I am not all that normal.

    Do you see any "easily displaced" pages like an EZA or some web 2.0 property in the top 10?
    Yes. They are light years behind me once I get going and build a power base. I plan not to take from one source but thousands to uproot them and displace them from number one.

    Is there traffic? (You did this part, great job!)
    Yes, 2,000,000 individual searches every year for the exact name URL. This can be built upon over time when my name gets better known and people naturally get told about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    I know that the chances here of me being successful are a million to one, but wouldn't it be something for people here to say that one of their noobiest members had the backing of five incredibly powerful dragons and made their millions?

    Not only made their millions but became a superstar internet marketeer from the principles they found posted?
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  • Profile picture of the author monitorit
    the best thing is the squatter probably does not know how to develop never mind rank that domain. Kiss there ass!
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    • Profile picture of the author Groovy99
      I had a domain expire on me at a company because the wrong person bought the domain and didn't tell the domain registration guy about it. It was high pr and very relevant for a financial services niche. A porn squatter picked it up. When we realized the issue when a customer called us I contacted the squatter and he started negotiating with me. Claiming that he was making a ton of money I innocently asked him how he was doing that with a mis-configured auto blog setup that wasn't posting content, links, and had default adsense that wasn't tied to his adsense account which I provided him in the conversation. He then said "What was the domain name again?"

      He settled the next day...

      The moral of the story is if a squatter is not already monetizing it pretty well, then they don't know the value of it. Negotiate them down to a reasonable price.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    If its such a popular niche, trust me, the guy must be making a small bundle from domain parking alone.

    And you know the bad part? As your site becomes popular, you visitors will mistakingly type in the .com version 25% of the time. Meaning, the 25% people YOU worked hard on getting will go to his parked page.

    There's a reason why the domain industry and domain parking exists. There is NO better passive form of income than this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
      Originally Posted by sashas View Post

      If its such a popular niche, trust me, the guy must be making a small bundle from domain parking alone.

      And you know the bad part? As your site becomes popular, you visitors will mistakingly type in the .com version 25% of the time. Meaning, the 25% people YOU worked hard on getting will go to his parked page.

      There's a reason why the domain industry and domain parking exists. There is NO better passive form of income than this.
      I don't actually think that people will mistype it into the search bar, people very rarely do this for the most part unless it is a small name. Much rather they go to the likes of google where all this number states and then they click through there.

      If someone does end up on a link which is not mine there is not much I can do short of owning every single site on the internet even remotely similar to my own.

      At some point you have to figure that it is out of your hands, I am not after a one trick pony here but one that can get to #1-5 and obviously someone elses will not even be close.

      Anyway, who in their right mind types URLs by randomly splicing words and phrases together hoping they somehow get lucky? lol
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      • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
        Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

        I don't actually think that people will mistype it into the search bar, people very rarely do this for the most part unless it is a small name. Much rather they go to the likes of google where all this number states and then they click through there.

        If someone does end up on a link which is not mine there is not much I can do short of owning every single site on the internet even remotely similar to my own.

        At some point you have to figure that it is out of your hands, I am not after a one trick pony here but one that can get to #1-5 and obviously someone elses will not even be close.

        Anyway, who in their right mind types URLs by randomly splicing words and phrases together hoping they somehow get lucky? lol
        As a long time domainer, I can assure you that this very premise (own the .com of your domain!) is the basis of more than half the end user domain sales in the industry. If you become a well known brand, trust me, half the people WILL type in the .com version of your name automatically.

        I've seen statistics for such names, and many times, the .com version gets anywhere between 5-15% of the main site's traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    hotsite.com

    hot-site.com

    ihotsite.com

    i-hot-site.com

    Do your linking and seo to your site and even with his domain it will be hard to catch up with you if you are adding content .
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    • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
      Originally Posted by Gasen View Post

      Any chance this domain is rune-scape.com ?
      No, and I would not even go there...I know the Jagex staff quite well and I don't think they would take kindly to me cyber squatting for any reason lol

      When I choose names I choose names that are original or at least are generic enough to not have any issue with any hugely established company, unless I want to have major copyright problems.

      I have a good reputation in Runescape and with the fansites, those websites that prey on typos are most known for cheating, hacking and generally causing misery. If I were to own a site as such or even perceived as such it would be dead in the water before it even began.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Who led you to believe that Melody?

    Basically all those commercial companies with their millions in advertising revenue wanted a .com to show that they were a commercial business rather than a non profit organisation or a fly by night amateur in his bedroom messing around, that they had potentially millions invested to show the world that they had what in effect was a superstore rather than a carboot on a muddy field.

    A .com is not really any better than any other domain suffix, it is simply better known because when the current internet format was new there obviously businesses looking to figure out how to make money, since .com was a commercial suffix obviously that got chosen by the vast majority when the original 3 were about. If there had been upto 20 different options .com might very well be nowhere at all. If you have information that people need it matters not what you name is if they are looking for you specifically or looking for something you provide if you are well ranked in google.

    I don't know yet how this venture will go and will not say specifics until I have at least 6 months under my belt so that people don't get the idea of throwing £5,000 at it and killing me off lol

    Anyways, to finally answer your question I would say No, I do not agree with that unless you are typing out every single URL manually. If you want to search for anything oyu use an engne and if your .org comes up top and the .com is nowhere near you are not going to scroll through thousands of pages to find it are you? lol

    Besides, I have specifically gone searching for a niche that many people do not know exists until they have need for it. It is my hope to suddenly come out of nowhere and dominate all those search results and let the rest take care of itself through a mixture of information, forums and competions running bi-monthly.

    Which will generate even more organic traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post


    And then the kicker, some domain squatter/vulture already has the .com for the EXACT 2-keyword URL

    Fair enough, it is probably to be expected of course but they have advertised it for sale so I get a little catch in my throat, if they are willing to sell it maybe I might be able to get myself a tasty treat.

    £5,000!! :jawdrop:

    Are people crazy that they feel the need to put such an insane price on what is essentially worthless and is not earning them a cent while it is simply sitting there doing absolutely sod all?
    Did you try sending them a "take it or leave it" offer of 500 and give them 24 hours to decide. You'll never know if you don't ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author trevor75
    I've been hearing lately that .info & .orgs can bring in just as much money any .com site, so do it! ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfields
      I agree that the domain name is only important when you have done your research and found out what the market wants ... I have a number of domain names that made sense (well to me at least ) but are sitting waiting for expiration as I did not do the proper research ...

      However all is not lost, I did learn a few lessons along the way. But it sounds as though the keywords are more important for your own reasons ... searches sound solid and you are not at this point going to sell anything. Building an authority site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Yes, I guess you would call it an authority site and I will be linking to other sites hopefully that are authorities in their own right.

    Right now the niche looks like a warring Scottish battlefield with hundreds of clans all over the place vying for position against each other...start with one and link to it, then the next and the next and the next.

    It is an incredibly large field, something like a medical journal, I cannot possibly hope to do a detailed medical journal for absolutely everything that can go wrong with you myself...but I can get hundreds of other doctors to collaborate and simply make a single hub website that gives the basic information in an easy to find manner.

    All the time collecting more and more links to the best websites in their field and having more and more of these little sites linking back to me again and then have forums for them all to talk and get invested in MY site

    I have been doing some looking around and found that there is a similar site out there but all they do is simply have pages with a smattering of useless information, some statistics that are not really useful to anyone and other stuff that can be found elsewhere which is actually updated. And the most recent post in the "forums" if you can call them that is 9 months old. It is for all intents and purposes dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    Just to rock your boat a little, maybe the .com is worth $5,000 and you may be able to pick it up for $1,000 or so.

    So find out quickly whether you can make any money in this niche and then make him an offer.

    It may be worth a lot more than you think, IF you have done your homework properly.

    Sam
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