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I'm looking at my email and see 4 messages all with the same title and the same text pimping the same product.

The same, that is, except for the affiliate link.

Ya know, if your claim is to be a guru, a good marketer, or someone wanting your list to take your advice and earn you a commission - instead of being a cheap and lazy whore - how about spending 5 minutes writing your own email. Or, better yet, actually buy and use the product/service yourself and provide a personal review.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
    I used to keep a running total when I got the same email from a variety of people. My highest total ever was 12 of the exact same email over a 2 day period.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4freedom
    It's true what you are saying but it is also true a good 1-3% of the people on the gurus list will buy simply because they are on the list. And the reality is most "gurus" have done a boat load of work to get where they are. Now that they have a list of a bazillion people and plenty of automated systems - they really don't need to get upfront and personal with everything they do. Especially when promoting affiliate products. Their time is best spent putting "them" into their own products, services, blogs and coaching programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Yeah, thing is, most of these guys aren't making sales.

    And are confused!

    I used to do the same, until I learned, just like you said, it's best to come up with your own email to send, especially in the IM niche.

    (outside of it, I had success just using the email provided)
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    I call this "affidiot marketing"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I agree entirely, I've never understood why marketers can't be bothered to at least change the email around even a bit.

    I've often used it as a basis to start from when promoting something, but that's about it

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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      I think I got the same email you're talking about. I got 5 or 6 emails with the exact same subject line. I got many of them around the same time too because they were mostly one right under the other in my inbox. At least that made it easier to check each box one by one and click the delete button.

      I don't mind being marketed to but I do think it would be a good idea to come up with an original subject line. The marketers sending out these emails should realize that many of the people on their lists are also on several other lists and will be seeing that same offer. Whenever I get a bunch of the exact same subject I just delete them all without even opening the email.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    I think I know which product your talking about, I got the same thing


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Whenever I get a bunch of the exact same subject I just delete them all without even opening the email.
      I go farther - I unsubscribe from all of them. Go be a clone on someone else's email address. Actually, since I began doing that, I seldom get such emails at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    I think the morale of the story is to be selective about the lists you join.

    For me there's only a few lists that I stay on because I trust those people, when I get something unoriginal more than once I leave the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Yeah, try being on about 120 lists (like I am). You very quickly learn to ignore this very common practice. And yes, some of the big fish do it and do it often.

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  • Profile picture of the author rickybuitrago
    That happened because at the affiliate resources page for that offer, that email title appeared as a "good one".
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  • Profile picture of the author Ladyjems
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    I'm looking at my email and see 4 messages all with the same title and the same text pimping the same product.

    The same, that is, except for the affiliate link.

    Ya know, if your claim is to be a guru, a good marketer, or someone wanting your list to take your advice and earn you a commission - instead of being a cheap and lazy whore - how about spending 5 minutes writing your own email. Or, better yet, actually buy and use the product/service yourself and provide a personal review.

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    the reason they use the same email is because the Product OWNER has provided PROVEN converting email copy for them to use.

    fair enough try and be a little different, but still, if you know its going to convert then why change it ?

    i don't think people appreceate being called a cheap and lazy whore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Maybe the truth hurts.

      Sorry - but if you can't come up with your own spin to sell a product, you're toast.

      I wonder why people would bother to build a mailing list and send out what amounts to "plr emails" to them.

      The reason emails are provided is give affiliates something to send out because so many would just freeze up at the thought of having to write their own. That doesn't mean using them is a good idea.

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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Ladyjems:

      Welcome to the forum.

      We all know the product owner gave out the email for affiliates to use. That's not the issue.

      This is not "proven converting email copy" - the product owner sent the same email given to the affiliates, almost simultaneously. Whether it is proven to do anything requires the test of time.

      The issue is a marketing lesson. When it is released (again, nothing yet has been sold to determine conversion rates), I believe this is a $3000 product with a $1500 commission.

      By being cheap and lazy, and spending 5 seconds copying and pasting an email, blindly hoping someone on their list buys the product, a bunch of 'marketers' are showing, at least IMHO, that they are not marketers. Whores. Pimps. Idiots. Misguided pseudo-marketers. Spammers. Make up your own reference if you're offended.

      The point being - why should I stay on their list? Why should I trust their recommendations? They are not making a recommendation.

      There's a huge difference between the marketers who provide useful information to their list about new products and services. Giving them an honest and personal evaluation. And there's the fake marketers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Emails like this are given to affiliates to give them a starting point. (I've done it myself with my own affiliates). However I always suggested to them that they change the email and personalise it to themselves. Not doing so IMHO shows contempt for the people we're marketing to.

      None of us (well mostly anyway) are stupid, the IM niche is a relatively narrow one so if folks are going to get the same email from various marketer's then yes they are going to be disgruntled.

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      Originally Posted by Ladyjems View Post

      the reason they use the same email is because the Product OWNER has provided PROVEN converting email copy for them to use.

      fair enough try and be a little different, but still, if you know its going to convert then why change it ?

      i don't think people appreceate being called a cheap and lazy whore.
      But does it work Lance, I usually found those affiliates selling my stuff who didn't make changes to the generic email I gave them sold less products.

      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      It's all a numbers game. A sales message with a 2% conversion rate fails to connect with 98%.

      So you don't like the cookie cutter affiliate promotions (I don't care much for them either). Well, you're (we're) in the "98%" category.

      But how can you call someone an idiot, pretender, or anything else without seeing their metrics and knowing their level of profitability.

      As long as it works for them and they want to run their business that way, what concern is it of anybody else? The consequences (whether real or imagined) their actions have on their business are irrelevant to me. It's their business.

      Has anybody ranting in this thread done a split test with their own list using a cookie cutter message compared to a unique one? What were your results?
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Yup I like the way you put it too pretend marketers. LOL.
    Fact is Promo emails are cookie cutter and people don't have the brains to revamp or rewrite them so they send em out hoping they get to you first . I get right away from them unsubscribe and chuckle to myself

    This is one reason I don't promote other people's products to my list which I am sure they find refreshing way too much crap thrown at people simply for the sake of a dollar or two

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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      It's all a numbers game. A sales message with a 2% conversion rate fails to connect with 98%.

      So you don't like the cookie cutter affiliate promotions (I don't care much for them either). Well, you're (we're) in the "98%" category.

      But how can you call someone an idiot, pretender, or anything else without seeing their metrics and knowing their level of profitability.

      As long as it works for them and they want to run their business that way, what concern is it of anybody else? The consequences (whether real or imagined) their actions have on their business are irrelevant to me. It's their business.

      Has anybody ranting in this thread done a split test with their own list using a cookie cutter message compared to a unique one? What were your results?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    I have found my spam folder on gmail has had more spam in the past few days. I just checked and guess what google has decided what is spam, these emails which all have the same title.

    I haven't marked them as spam, I haven't unsubscribed, and they used to be delivered into my inbox.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Ya know, if your claim is to be a guru, a good marketer, or someone wanting your list to take your advice and earn you a commission - instead of being a cheap and lazy whore - how about spending 5 minutes writing your own email. Or, better yet, actually buy and use the product/service yourself and provide a personal review.
    Yes -- better to be high-priced, hard-working whores instead!
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