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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

      Let me add to this.

      Can I copyright an 'idea'?

      Kory
      IANAL.. so take this for what its worth. Best advice is seek the advice of a qualified lawyer who understands these things. However my understand is tht no you cant. You can copyright the detailed plan for the idea and you can patent the process, but you can't protect the "idea" itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    You can't protect the idea. Even if you wrote out the idea so that your writing would gain copyright status (original creative work fixed in a tangible form), that only protects against copying the text you wrote, not someone actually putting the idea to use.

    Ideas are cheap anyway, everyone has big revolutionary ideas, they just either never get implemented or aren't as big and revolutionary as you thought.
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        Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

        Seriously though, I want to pitch my idea to a company like yahoo or google who can actually make my idea happen. I'll do some research and see what I can do with it..
        It doesn't work like that. They have tens of thousands of geniuses with ideas already working for them. The only way you see a worthwhile idea come to fruition is to do it yourself. If it requires funding, then you start a company and pitch VC funds for the money in exchange for equity in the company.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
            Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

            I have no idea what that means.

            Kory
            Then the first addition to your team (you'll need a team) should be someone who does know what that means

            This is where Google, Yahoo!, and all the web 2.0 companies they keep buying came from. The way ideas become companies in the Silicon Valley.
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            • Profile picture of the author Austin Delaney
              Hi Kory;

              The idea isn't enough - there's more than one warrior on here who has been involved with a measure of success in the $m's - and I'd expect them all to tell you the same thing.

              You can get a non-disclosure agreement drawn up for anyone to sign who is interested but it'd have to be water-tight. Not sure who you'd get to sign it tho'.

              It's great that your having $m ideas and hopefully you can bring it to fruition - it's being done everyday - maybe seek some 1-1 guidance from someone who has done it before.

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              • Profile picture of the author sylviad
                [quote=austind72;140387]...You can get a non-disclosure agreement drawn up for anyone to sign who is interested but it'd have to be water-tight. Not sure who you'd get to sign it tho'...quote]I don't know how they do it, but you can actually provide an online form for people to sign. I filled one out awhile back. You'd need to get a lawyer to create the legal content. Then, it's just a matter of figuring out how to enable people to add their approval without actually using snail mail. If I remember correctly, I had to print out the form and physically sign it and mail it, but the online option got things rolling quicker.

                Non-disclosure agreements are commonly used in big business - like, if you are employed by IBM, you would have to sign such an agreement stating that you will not reveal any of their trade secrets.

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  • Profile picture of the author toonarme
    Hiya Kory

    There are loads of payment processors who you can link from your page to, PayPal do it. It would work like this :
    You setup your sales page with a link created through PayPal. You can use your own graphic for this, but when your customer clicks on the link, it takes them into PayPal where they can use their card to pay. Once they've made payment and given their details, they'll be taken back to your website to the page that you want. It's pretty easy to set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    I admire you enthusiasm and your energy, don't
    lose that passion!

    Just think about one more thing..

    Amazing ideas are nothing... the internet is littered
    with amazing ideas that didn't have a market.

    Take a little time to make sure that whatever you
    are hoping to provide has a target market.

    Lots of people start with an idea.. it's much better
    to start with a demand in the market place.

    If your amazing idea will provide a solution to a
    problem that people will willingly pay for.. then it
    could be an amazing idea.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

    For a website.

    I just don't know how to approach it. The domain I need is taken so I emailed the webmaster to see if they are interested in selling it. (They aren't using it, their site looks like crap)

    I can picture how I want to run the site, and how I want it to look, but that's about it.

    I would have to set up a buying system so people could purchase these items.(No idea how to do that)

    It would involve these people being sent to another window after confirming payment(No idea how to do that)

    And I would have to get permissions from huge companies and partner up with huge websites.

    I'm sorry I can't go into specific detail about what my idea is, I've just learned not to trust anyone.

    Sorry I'm just venting!!

    Kory
    If it is a brilliant idea, why not look for a different domain name, because if you are going to sell it to google or yahoo then they wouldn't necessarily be bothered about the domain name, matching the idea.

    Think about some of the ideas that have been big earners, a lot of them didn't mean anything when they started. They became a brand.

    The things you have no idea about, would be simple to learn, you will find all that information here.

    Getting permission from major companies will be a major exercise, so you need to think how you are going to do that if you don't trust anyone.

    Think about it for a moment, you contact google and say I have this idea, and it will be the way of the internet. They say thank you, but not interested, and take your idea and put their own twist/spin on it so it is different from your original idea.

    The bigger the company you approach, the more money they have to use to develop an idea into something big. Finding someone who undertstands about turning ideas into reality, is not such a big problem because many wouldn't want to do it themselves, so they give advice without using the idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Think about it for a moment, you contact google and say I have this idea, and it will be the way of the internet. They say thank you, but not interested, and take your idea and put their own twist/spin on it so it is different from your original idea.
      It doesn't work like that either. Your message or phone call will go to their outsourced support staff in India which will quickly and efficiently thank you for your message then close the incident ticket without ever thinking about it again. You wouldn't get anywhere near a decision maker.

      Google has 19,000 employees who are required to use 20% of their paid time coming up with and developing independent ideas. They absolutely don't need ideas from the outside.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave777
    Don't mean to burst your bubble and idea but there are people sharing & working on the same ideas as we speak...
    Crowdsourcing Directory ? The Revolutionary Power of Crowds

    Here's basically why an idea is nothing more than an idea and cannot be protected. An idea alone is not patentable...
    Guide for Innovative and Creative Minds - Idea - Can ideas be protected?

    Some good food for thought regarding ideas...
    ideas are just a multiplier of execution - O'Reilly ONLamp Blog

    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Protecting ideas?

      You better start implementing the idea.

      Once you have the site, blog or service live, anybody can "copycat" you -- what will you do then? You have to stand out in the crowd from the beginning.

      And there's a fact that scares most marketers - competition is good, whether you believe it or not.

      I do not know where did you get the idea that you have to protect yourself and your ideas like that?

      Think SMART -- there are copycats wherever -- and instead reinventing the wheel, why not "take action today" and just play with the idea.

      In 98% of cases, BIG ideas do not come into life.

      And the 2% happens with no prior plans!
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
      Originally Posted by Dave777 View Post

      Don't mean to burst your bubble and idea but there are people sharing & working on the same ideas as we speak...
      Crowdsourcing Directory ? The Revolutionary Power of Crowds

      Here's basically why an idea is nothing more than an idea and cannot be protected. An idea alone is not patentable...
      Guide for Innovative and Creative Minds - Idea - Can ideas be protected?

      Some good food for thought regarding ideas...
      ideas are just a multiplier of execution - O'Reilly ONLamp Blog

      Dave
      Love these links...thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I can picture how I want to run the site, and how I want it to look, but that's about it.
        If you can picture it - you can learn to build it or hire a programmer or site designer to build it for you.,

        I would have to set up a buying system so people could purchase these items.(No idea how to do that)
        So you need a merchant account of your own or a shopping cart system to accept payments.

        It would involve these people being sent to another window after confirming payment(No idea how to do that)
        Very simple to learn and could be part of site design or payment processor.

        And I would have to get permissions from huge companies and partner up with huge websites.
        This last one to me is a red flag - what kind of permission? Getting a partnership with huge companies and huge websites - is a formidable task even if you have successfully implemented your idea. If doing anything with your idea requires such partnerships first, that's a problem.

        Do some serious research to see if your idea is actually workable - and if it's being done already or if it's been attempted. Then learn what you need to know - or invest the money in outsourcing - to put it together yourself. And before doing anything make sure there is a market for it - a market that would pay for it.

        The domain I need is taken so I emailed the webmaster to see if they are interested in selling it. (They aren't using it, their site looks like crap)
        Just go to nameboy.com, enter your keywords and see what is available.
        You don't "need" a specific domain - find an alternate choice. What the domain owner's site looks like is irrelevant if the domain is not for sale.

        I second John in that I really like your enthusiasm but you are jumping from "initial idea" to "completion" in your mind without doing any of the work involved in between. Develop your idea well and perhaps you will have something that can be sold to a large company in the future.

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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Ideas are not patentable or copywritable. Ideas are negligible until someone creates the actual product or service. If someone wants to duplicate your idea, they can. They just can't create the exact product or service you did - with the same detailed plan, features and wording.

          Imagine if the idea to make shampoo were patentable. There would only be one kind of shampoo out there... (I think Ivory was one of the first - after lye soap, that is).

          Take that a step farther. How many bottles of shampoo are similar?

          Manufacturers / packagers are doing their absolute best to emulate the original bottle so shoppers will grab theirs - thinking it's just as good. They even duplicate the colors, bottle shape, style of font. They make it just enough different so they can't be nabbed for stealing the patent/copyright whatever. And if you look closely, you'll see that the difference is extremely slight.

          Clearly, ideas are open target.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adeel_Chowdhry
    If you tell me your idea I will go 70-30 with you...I keep 70 and you 30...how does that sound?

    Adeel
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    • Profile picture of the author mgriswold224
      Like someone already said more than likely there are already people working on the same idea so worrying about copyright is just going to slow you down. You must make a list of what needs to be done and outsource the work. You want your site to stand out with professional graphics and sales letters. You can hire people to build your site for you. There are many talented people on this forum that can point you in the right direction of who to use. You are going to have to put a little money in it at first in order for it to attrack customers while you are still learning. So stay focused and get a gameplan. You can have the ultimate idea but if the website looks like crap and isnt set up correctly you will not make any money.
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  • Don't listen to what people say if it involves the word "no" or "can't" or "never".

    You have a list of things you say you need to get the ball rolling, sounds to me like you need to do research on every one of those things, as Kay already mentioned.

    Write every single bit of your idea down. You'd be surprised how even a winning idea can get pushed out of your head. It's easy to get narcissistic (for lack of a better word I guess) with your own ideas, and fail to see glaring flaws, and seeing it all the time helps you determine that.

    However, and this is where I hate to get negative, but its the way people are. If you truly do have a good idea, talk to some kind of legal consul before you start approaching investors / partners, because some people WILL steal your idea and run.

    Before any automatic article submission software was out there, my partner and I approached a few people to see if they'd be interested in helping us start up, as we had no real cash, just a rock solid idea and had everything in line but the funds. Everyone we asked said no, we just took it at that, and about 2 months later one of the people we asked came out with with our product idea with a simple name change.
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  • Profile picture of the author primuskannan
    Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

    For a website.

    I just don't know how to approach it. The domain I need is taken so I emailed the webmaster to see if they are interested in selling it. (They aren't using it, their site looks like crap)

    I can picture how I want to run the site, and how I want it to look, but that's about it.

    I would have to set up a buying system so people could purchase these items.(No idea how to do that)

    It would involve these people being sent to another window after confirming payment(No idea how to do that)

    And I would have to get permissions from huge companies and partner up with huge websites.

    I'm sorry I can't go into specific detail about what my idea is, I've just learned not to trust anyone.

    Sorry I'm just venting!!

    Kory
    Brainstorm your idea with atleast one very close friend and if he/she is knowledgeable in programming then all the better.

    Work out the kinks and then GO AHEAD. If the domain name is not available then register another.

    Try out your idea, atleast you wont spend the rest of your life regretting not taking action.

    There will always be naysayers and doomsday prophets. Even google founders were not taken seriously in their initial startup days.

    Youtube founders spent most of their money buying bandwidth in their startup struggles.

    Implement your idea as best you can, gather a good team, make a pitch to venture capitalists or angel fund investors.

    That is all in the future. But for now take up your idea and TRY IT.

    Remember a thousand mile journey begins with a single step.

    All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Hillage
    Sounds exciting Kory - but last time I checked you cannot copyright an idea. But good luck though as you seem convinced by your idea - Sergey and Brin had to start somewhere!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Copyrights protect EXPRESSION!
    Patents protect specific USE or METHOD!

    As for the deal about getting permission from big companies, MAN! I had about 3-4 MAJOR ideas there. One was even one that a friend later had, and a number of companies do things with today. ALL cost WAY too much. Two others STILL haven't been done, but changes in the travel industry make it less profitable. As for the other idea you had, I stand by my statements, but at least one company is already planning something similar, and they are already there.

    Steve
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