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18 years ago

wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Brian

wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.

You were the first one with the correct answer

Send me your blog url , and as long as it's targeting my blog's niche (blogging, and/or IM), and it's a self-hosted WP blog, I'll write a review about it and publish next week

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lpezzini

18 years ago

thanks for the info

Originally Posted by Mark Brian

wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.

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Andyhenry

18 years ago

Codrut,

"If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option."

That's not true......

There are many platforms that are perfect for professional blogging, Wordpress is NOT the only one. Whoever told you that needs to update their knowledge of what's available.

Why are you talking like there is some big secret to this?

It's simple - Like Mark said - Wordpress.com is like blogger.

Wordpress.org is where you get the software to load onto your own server.

If you're a newbie you probably want .com since there is no installing, hosting etc required.

If you're into doing your own thing and need more - download the software and install it yourself so you have full control.

For newbies it's often MUCH better to just use the hosted (.com) version as once you use your own server you take on the responsibility for upgrades, backups etc... which is too much for non-technical newbies.

Andy

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David_Thompson 18 years ago

One of the best or voted the best blogging platform of 2007
was or is Wordpress.

Now the reason why I believe most people find wordpress
a huge learning curve is because they get caught up in
all the tech talk and SEO BS, before they even begin.

We all know it is an amazing platform if you host it on your
own domain which gives the user more control of what they
can do and limited to having ghost account on blogger or
wordpress.com.

There are so many videos online about installing and making your
first post it's crazy that people still thinks it's hard to setup and
maintained, if you go to http://weblogtoolscollection.com there
are tons of videos there.

Hosting your own blog gives you the owner control...

--David
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rapidscc

18 years ago

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What's a moveable type. Also, I know the difference between the two wordpress but I didn't new that blogger also have an installable platform.

Could you please discuss further moveable types and where to find the installable blogger.

Im into blogging very much..

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David_Thompson

18 years ago

moveable type is a blogging and cms type platform
with a huge learning curve compare to wordpress,
it is powerful but you won't find much IM'ers or
none techie using it just because it has this steep
learning curve.

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JohnMcCabe

18 years ago

Originally Posted by David_Thompson

moveable type is a blogging and cms type platform
with a huge learning curve compare to wordpress,
it is powerful but you won't find much IM'ers or
none techie using it just because it has this steep
learning curve.

--David

David, I've used both. In fact, I started by using Movable Type (yes, that's the correct spelling).

If you're talking about getting into the guts of the software and hacking the script itself, you're correct. MT is based on Perl, with a heavy dose of javascript.

If you stick to modifying the templates, it's not that tough. Roughly the same as WP. At least, that was my experience...

That said, I'll admit I've moved exclusively to Wordpress for all my self-hosted blogs. As I work with it more and more, the learning curve is flattening out and I'm doing things I didn't even think about attempting with MT.

Of course, the facts that WP is free and has about a bazillion plug-ins and add-ons helps. As does the PHP base, with an abundance of competent PHP programmers available. Movable Type has an annual software license per installation, or a higher enterprise option. I didn't find enough advantage to the platform to continue paying the fees.

I think services like Blogger, Wordpress.com and even Typepad have their place in the grand scheme of things. That place is just not as the base for an entire business.

And then there's the fact that I'm a bit of a control freak, which makes me very nervous and reluctant to put vital parts of my business in the hands of others...

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by rapidscc

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Hi alexa
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What's a moveable type. Also, I know the difference between the two wordpress but I didn't new that blogger also have an installable platform.

Could you please discuss further moveable types and where to find the installable blogger.

Im into blogging very much..

____________________________________________

To everybody using guru banging as their sales pitch
____________________________________________

what's this with all of the "Guru don't tell", "Guru secrets", guru banging in general. Do we really know better? If we do then why do some of these guys earn millions selling stuff that we declare horse sh*t.

______________________
To the guy who posted.
______________________

seeing you haven't posted a lot yet, maybe it will be a nice advice to be careful next time when you are posting in such a challenging tone.

There are a lot of experts here :-)

~RapidScc

When I say "Gurus" I'm NOT talking about real experts like us, warriors

I'm talking about those folks claiming they're earning tens of thousands or millions online -- when in fact, they do very little -- or sell just "MMO" stuff...

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

You can have blogger on your own site just like you can have wordpress on your own site. Saying that wordpress.com is "like blogger" in this regard slightly misses the point. Both are free blogging tools that you can use either on their proprietors' sites or on your own.

You can get more support and help for wordpress and perhaps do more different things with it, more flexibly, but it's still hard to learn and use.

Anyway, the best blogging facilities are probably Moveable Type and its little sister, Typepad.

Alexa, and did you use Moveable Type or Typepad yourself?

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

The only blogs for which I don't use Typepad are one-page ones which I want to use as a static page and have done in 10 minutes, and I still use Blogger for those. Some time I'll graduate from Typepad to Moveable Type, but doing that is probably nearly as big of a job as moving from Blogger to Wordpress, and Typepad is so brilliant I'm in no great hurry to do it anyway.

why not show us some examples? Unless they're big money makers for you, and afraid of copy-cats.. lol

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- Chri5123 18 years ago
  
  I personally use Wordpress.org and since moving accross I love it!
  
  I guess it is down to what you want from your content. I like the idea of having it self hosted as then all the content I have is mine and I am helping my own site.
  
  That said I have has good results with other platforms and no real problems with them.
  
  I have used Blogger.com and Wordpress.com and I have found that as long as you have another links and relavent articles linking through to the blog then it is not really to do with what platform you pick for search engine listings but more to do with how you promote it.
  
  Just my 2 pence.
  
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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Codrut,

"If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option."

That's not true......

There are many platforms that are perfect for professional blogging, Wordpress is NOT the only one. Whoever told you that needs to update their knowledge of what's available.

Why are you talking like there is some big secret to this?

It's simple - Like Mark said - Wordpress.com is like blogger.

Wordpress.org is where you get the software to load onto your own server.

If you're a newbie you probably want .com since there is no installing, hosting etc required.

If you're into doing your own thing and need more - download the software and install it yourself so you have full control.

For newbies it's often MUCH better to just use the hosted (.com) version as once you use your own server you take on the responsibility for upgrades, backups etc... which is too much for non-technical newbies.

Andy

Andy - you're wrong! There's a BIG secret, just look around in forums and talk with your subscribers -- they don't know the difference, at least not the newbies.

Maybe those who've been blogging for months already.

Look around -- ask others -- they'll tell you that newbies are not gurus. And they don't know these differences.

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Quentin

18 years ago

The truth is there are a lot of different blogging platforms and each have their devotees and success stories.

Once you get into absolutes about anything on the Internet you are limiting your influence and possibilities.

Each style has its own merits.

Quentin

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grumpyjacksa

18 years ago

2 differences.....

besides .org being just a place to download your script, which you install yourself, and .com being hosted for you -

(a) at .com you can't include advertising . strict TOS

on your own you can go crazy.

(b) at .com you are stuck with what they offer you.

on your own you can usa any of a few thousand plugins and themes to make it do exactly as you wish.

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evolvingpublishing 18 years ago

I would think one of the major differences it that I believe I heard somewhere that under a new policy for wordpress.com that you are no longer allowed to engage in any activity that would allow you to profit off of your blogs hosted with wordpress.com. With installing Wordpress on your own host & domain name you have the ability to do activities that bring you a profit. I could be wrong I'm just wondering if that is what you were looking for?
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- Eric Lorence 18 years ago
  
  A Wordpress.com, Blogspot, or any "free" blog is simply NOT a viable option for ANYone seriously considering an income from blogging, forget about that.
  
  Spring the $6 per month for hosting, install or pay someone to install the software from Wordpress.org, B2evolution, BlogPHP, or any one of a number of platforms.
  
  Do not waste you're time with a free blog, do it and learn it right from the start.
  
  Just my op.
  
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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by grumpyjacksa

2 differences.....

besides .org being just a place to download your script, which you install yourself, and .com being hosted for you -

(a) at .com you can't include advertising . strict TOS

on your own you can go crazy.

(b) at .com you are stuck with what they offer you.

on your own you can usa any of a few thousand plugins and themes to make it do exactly as you wish.

Exactly you've said the BIG secret. I wished you were the first one posting this -- Andy don't know this yet I guess! lol

Select the wordpress.com and you're not going to make money off it.

They're not allowing commercial blogs on their platform.

Not all warriors knew this, until now! Congratulations...

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

The truth is there are a lot of different blogging platforms and each have their devotees and success stories.

Once you get into absolutes about anything on the Internet you are limiting your influence and possibilities.

Each style has its own merits.

Quentin

Between just the two of us -- I have to use absolutes when comparing WP with Blogger -- definitely WP is my fave one. And I recommend it to my clients and NOT to my competitors.

Who are you -- a client or a competitor of mine?

Maybe none... lol

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rosan9

18 years ago

The truth is from a marketing and traffic standpoint being able to use the the PR value of wordpress.com is way more beneficial than sticking wordpress on your domain. As is blogger.

I've ranked for keywords in less than a week using the free blog platforms.

Long term you obviously want it on your own domain, but linking to your domain from the WP authority site carries weight with Google and will get your site ranked sooner.

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by rosan9

The truth is from a marketing and traffic standpoint being able to use the the PR value of wordpress.com is way more beneficial than sticking wordpress on your domain. As is blogger.

I've ranked for keywords in less than a week using the free blog platforms.

Long term you obviously want it on your own domain, but linking to your domain from the WP authority site carries weight with Google and will get your site ranked sooner.

I guess you should read how folks are getting ranked on 1st page in Google with EZA (ezinearticles.com article marketing) - there are quite a few threads here at warrior forum.

Update - I get ranked with self-hosted blogs on my domains in less than 24h (nothing to boast here though!) - long-tail keywords

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Fendi Salim

18 years ago

Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

Apologies for the assumptions.

Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

The secret is... L__k B______g

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Eric Lorence

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Fendi Salim

Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

Apologies for the assumptions.

Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

The secret is... L__k B______g

Yes, and that is exactly what the free sites are good for, but building to your own hosted sites.

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Fendi Salim

Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

Apologies for the assumptions.

Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

The secret is... L__k B______g

Just one, on the second spot, and the remaining 10+ are sites and WP self-hosted blogs I guess...

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John Hillage

18 years ago

One issue I've found with WP is that their security is not great and they can be an easy target for hackers (I found to my cost!), so worth bearing in mind.

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Monetize

18 years ago

No one ever mentions that you can host on WordPress and
do whatever you want if you upgrade to a VIP account
and pay them $500 a month

VIP Hosting on WordPress

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Monetize

No one ever mentions that you can host on WordPress and
do whatever you want if you upgrade to a VIP account
and pay them $500 a month

VIP Hosting on WordPress

Wow, from free to $500/month? They got pretty greedy here

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by John Hillage

One issue I've found with WP is that their security is not great and they can be an easy target for hackers (I found to my cost!), so worth bearing in mind.

I guess you 've not read anti-hacking tips or watched videos that teach the topic yet?

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shrinagesh

18 years ago

I always preferred to have total control over my blog and own my content. I found wordpress.org excellent.

With wordpress.com blogs, you can't install google analytics, not as many plug-ins as there are for wp.

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cypherslock

18 years ago

yup installing wp on your own domain is the way to go FWIW. And don't bash the gurus. Heck, its how many of us learned. And are still learning. If this site ever dies, I'll hold a week of mourning as it is worth 10x the price of any ebook or course.

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Alice Seba

18 years ago

Originally Posted by CodrutTurcanu

If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option.

Making money online rarely has much to do with what you used to build your website. Could you explain why you think using anything other than WordPress precludes a blogger from making money?

Alice

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CodrutTurcanu

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

Making money online rarely has much to do with what you used to build your website. Could you explain why you think using anything other than WordPress precludes a blogger from making money?

Alice

Maybe my English is not perfect and the meaning of my argument was not understood.

I'm not saying that "blogger" bloggers or other blogging platform owners won't make any money online.

I should re-phrase this into something like.

I'm using self-hosted wordpress version. I used blogger too. And I've found that if you want to make "big" money online, wordpress.org is the way to go because you control it entirely and you could even sell it later on for quick profits.

Can't do that with Blogger.

I guess this doesn't sound too "absolute" like my first post... lol

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Andyhenry

18 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Again, you're entirely mistaken about that. You can do exactly that with Blogger. There's absolutely nothing to stop you from hosting Blogger on your own site, just as with a Wordpress blog.

Every time you sign up for a new Blogger blog, you get asked whether you want to publish it at blogspot.com or on your own site.

How is it that so many people here are unaware of this?! :confused:

You're right of course, I think the thing that people are alluding to is that for Blogger you're stilling doing everything by logging in to their service but the posts are FTPd onto your server so the resulting blog pages are on your host. However, you don't control the blog - you can't add plugins, do upgrades etc..... which you can with Wordpress because the whole thing CMS and all files are on your host.

But you're right to make the distinction because that is a difference between the hosted wordpress and blogger.

Andy

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JonMills

18 years ago

wordpress all the way baby..

but neither determines whether your going to make money

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jjpmarketing 18 years ago

Avoid the wordpress.com hosted blogs if you plan on making money. There is something stated in their TOS along the lines of, "you can't use it for commercial purposes"...

With that being said if you monetize it with affiliate links then you will get your blog shut down. I have experienced this first hand. Save your self the headache and get your own hosting for your blog. I don't know if blogger's TOS is the same.

Like it has already been said... wordpress.com is for the free hosting blogs like blogger. Wordpress.org is where you get your plugins, themes, and the primary software to install on your own server.

Although I prefer Wordpress, there are other alternatives out there not limited to just blogs. You can use Joomla, Drupal, Typepad, Moveable Type, etc.

Maybe this link will enlighten you on the alternatives.

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Because really when it comes down to it, all you really need is url to drive traffic to, in order to make money. If you wanted to you could use a domain name with no hosting... put a sales page for the parked page and monetize it that way with your own product. While not the most ideal solution, it will still make you money if you drive qualified traffic to the site.

Guru's don't teach this? Most will tell you Wordpress without even blinking an eye. It is practically the industry standard for internet marketers.
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chemmyvick

18 years ago

hmm, this is eye opening thread. i think i get this message.

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