Best Blogging Platform - Gurus Do Not Teach This

by CodrutTurcanu 41 replies
Everybody say Blogger, or WordPress.

But they forget to tell you the facts.

None of them work for professional blogers; ok, if you want just to blog for fun, you could probably start with blogger.

If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option.

Now, Gurus forget to tell you that there's a BIG difference between wordpress.org and wordpress.com -- do you know what that would be?

The first answer would get a nice gift from me ($250 value):

a "blog review" post on my IM or Blogging blog where I feature/showcase your blog - the only requirement is that your blog is targetted to my blog topic, and you're using WordPress.org.

Let's see what happens
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

    wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

      wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.
      You were the first one with the correct answer

      Send me your blog url , and as long as it's targeting my blog's niche (blogging, and/or IM), and it's a self-hosted WP blog, I'll write a review about it and publish next week
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    • Profile picture of the author lpezzini
      thanks for the info


      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      wordpress.com is almost just like blogger.com, you don't completely own it and it's just a subdomain.

      wordpress.org is a platform that you can customize, do whatever you want, add plugins, themes, etc in your own domain and hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Codrut,

    "If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option."


    That's not true......

    There are many platforms that are perfect for professional blogging, Wordpress is NOT the only one. Whoever told you that needs to update their knowledge of what's available.

    Why are you talking like there is some big secret to this?

    It's simple - Like Mark said - Wordpress.com is like blogger.

    Wordpress.org is where you get the software to load onto your own server.

    If you're a newbie you probably want .com since there is no installing, hosting etc required.

    If you're into doing your own thing and need more - download the software and install it yourself so you have full control.

    For newbies it's often MUCH better to just use the hosted (.com) version as once you use your own server you take on the responsibility for upgrades, backups etc... which is too much for non-technical newbies.

    Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      • Profile picture of the author David_Thompson
        One of the best or voted the best blogging platform of 2007
        was or is Wordpress.

        Now the reason why I believe most people find wordpress
        a huge learning curve is because they get caught up in
        all the tech talk and SEO BS, before they even begin.

        We all know it is an amazing platform if you host it on your
        own domain which gives the user more control of what they
        can do and limited to having ghost account on blogger or
        wordpress.com.

        There are so many videos online about installing and making your
        first post it's crazy that people still thinks it's hard to setup and
        maintained, if you go to http://weblogtoolscollection.com there
        are tons of videos there.

        Hosting your own blog gives you the owner control...

        --David
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      • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
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        Hi alexa
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        What's a moveable type. Also, I know the difference between the two wordpress but I didn't new that blogger also have an installable platform.

        Could you please discuss further moveable types and where to find the installable blogger.

        Im into blogging very much..

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        To everybody using guru banging as their sales pitch
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        what's this with all of the "Guru don't tell", "Guru secrets", guru banging in general. Do we really know better? If we do then why do some of these guys earn millions selling stuff that we declare horse sh*t.

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        To the guy who posted.
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        seeing you haven't posted a lot yet, maybe it will be a nice advice to be careful next time when you are posting in such a challenging tone.

        There are a lot of experts here :-)

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        • Profile picture of the author David_Thompson
          moveable type is a blogging and cms type platform
          with a huge learning curve compare to wordpress,
          it is powerful but you won't find much IM'ers or
          none techie using it just because it has this steep
          learning curve.

          --David
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by David_Thompson View Post

            moveable type is a blogging and cms type platform
            with a huge learning curve compare to wordpress,
            it is powerful but you won't find much IM'ers or
            none techie using it just because it has this steep
            learning curve.

            --David
            David, I've used both. In fact, I started by using Movable Type (yes, that's the correct spelling).

            If you're talking about getting into the guts of the software and hacking the script itself, you're correct. MT is based on Perl, with a heavy dose of javascript.

            If you stick to modifying the templates, it's not that tough. Roughly the same as WP. At least, that was my experience...

            That said, I'll admit I've moved exclusively to Wordpress for all my self-hosted blogs. As I work with it more and more, the learning curve is flattening out and I'm doing things I didn't even think about attempting with MT.

            Of course, the facts that WP is free and has about a bazillion plug-ins and add-ons helps. As does the PHP base, with an abundance of competent PHP programmers available. Movable Type has an annual software license per installation, or a higher enterprise option. I didn't find enough advantage to the platform to continue paying the fees.

            I think services like Blogger, Wordpress.com and even Typepad have their place in the grand scheme of things. That place is just not as the base for an entire business.

            And then there's the fact that I'm a bit of a control freak, which makes me very nervous and reluctant to put vital parts of my business in the hands of others...
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        • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
          Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

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          Hi alexa
          ______________________

          What's a moveable type. Also, I know the difference between the two wordpress but I didn't new that blogger also have an installable platform.

          Could you please discuss further moveable types and where to find the installable blogger.

          Im into blogging very much..

          ____________________________________________

          To everybody using guru banging as their sales pitch
          ____________________________________________

          what's this with all of the "Guru don't tell", "Guru secrets", guru banging in general. Do we really know better? If we do then why do some of these guys earn millions selling stuff that we declare horse sh*t.

          ______________________
          To the guy who posted.
          ______________________

          seeing you haven't posted a lot yet, maybe it will be a nice advice to be careful next time when you are posting in such a challenging tone.

          There are a lot of experts here :-)

          ~RapidScc
          When I say "Gurus" I'm NOT talking about real experts like us, warriors

          I'm talking about those folks claiming they're earning tens of thousands or millions online -- when in fact, they do very little -- or sell just "MMO" stuff...
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      • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        You can have blogger on your own site just like you can have wordpress on your own site. Saying that wordpress.com is "like blogger" in this regard slightly misses the point. Both are free blogging tools that you can use either on their proprietors' sites or on your own.

        You can get more support and help for wordpress and perhaps do more different things with it, more flexibly, but it's still hard to learn and use.

        Anyway, the best blogging facilities are probably Moveable Type and its little sister, Typepad.
        Alexa, and did you use Moveable Type or Typepad yourself?
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          • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
            Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

            The only blogs for which I don't use Typepad are one-page ones which I want to use as a static page and have done in 10 minutes, and I still use Blogger for those. Some time I'll graduate from Typepad to Moveable Type, but doing that is probably nearly as big of a job as moving from Blogger to Wordpress, and Typepad is so brilliant I'm in no great hurry to do it anyway.
            why not show us some examples? Unless they're big money makers for you, and afraid of copy-cats.. lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
                I personally use Wordpress.org and since moving accross I love it!

                I guess it is down to what you want from your content. I like the idea of having it self hosted as then all the content I have is mine and I am helping my own site.

                That said I have has good results with other platforms and no real problems with them.

                I have used Blogger.com and Wordpress.com and I have found that as long as you have another links and relavent articles linking through to the blog then it is not really to do with what platform you pick for search engine listings but more to do with how you promote it.

                Just my 2 pence.

                Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Codrut,

      "If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option."


      That's not true......

      There are many platforms that are perfect for professional blogging, Wordpress is NOT the only one. Whoever told you that needs to update their knowledge of what's available.

      Why are you talking like there is some big secret to this?

      It's simple - Like Mark said - Wordpress.com is like blogger.

      Wordpress.org is where you get the software to load onto your own server.

      If you're a newbie you probably want .com since there is no installing, hosting etc required.

      If you're into doing your own thing and need more - download the software and install it yourself so you have full control.

      For newbies it's often MUCH better to just use the hosted (.com) version as once you use your own server you take on the responsibility for upgrades, backups etc... which is too much for non-technical newbies.

      Andy
      Andy - you're wrong! There's a BIG secret, just look around in forums and talk with your subscribers -- they don't know the difference, at least not the newbies.

      Maybe those who've been blogging for months already.

      Look around -- ask others -- they'll tell you that newbies are not gurus. And they don't know these differences.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    The truth is there are a lot of different blogging platforms and each have their devotees and success stories.

    Once you get into absolutes about anything on the Internet you are limiting your influence and possibilities.

    Each style has its own merits.

    Quentin
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    • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
      2 differences.....

      besides .org being just a place to download your script, which you install yourself, and .com being hosted for you -

      (a) at .com you can't include advertising . strict TOS

      on your own you can go crazy.

      (b) at .com you are stuck with what they offer you.

      on your own you can usa any of a few thousand plugins and themes to make it do exactly as you wish.
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      • I would think one of the major differences it that I believe I heard somewhere that under a new policy for wordpress.com that you are no longer allowed to engage in any activity that would allow you to profit off of your blogs hosted with wordpress.com. With installing Wordpress on your own host & domain name you have the ability to do activities that bring you a profit. I could be wrong I'm just wondering if that is what you were looking for?
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
          A Wordpress.com, Blogspot, or any "free" blog is simply NOT a viable option for ANYone seriously considering an income from blogging, forget about that.

          Spring the $6 per month for hosting, install or pay someone to install the software from Wordpress.org, B2evolution, BlogPHP, or any one of a number of platforms.

          Do not waste you're time with a free blog, do it and learn it right from the start.

          Just my op.

          Best!
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      • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
        Originally Posted by grumpyjacksa View Post

        2 differences.....

        besides .org being just a place to download your script, which you install yourself, and .com being hosted for you -

        (a) at .com you can't include advertising . strict TOS

        on your own you can go crazy.

        (b) at .com you are stuck with what they offer you.

        on your own you can usa any of a few thousand plugins and themes to make it do exactly as you wish.
        Exactly you've said the BIG secret. I wished you were the first one posting this -- Andy don't know this yet I guess! lol

        Select the wordpress.com and you're not going to make money off it.

        They're not allowing commercial blogs on their platform.

        Not all warriors knew this, until now! Congratulations...
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

      The truth is there are a lot of different blogging platforms and each have their devotees and success stories.

      Once you get into absolutes about anything on the Internet you are limiting your influence and possibilities.

      Each style has its own merits.

      Quentin
      Between just the two of us -- I have to use absolutes when comparing WP with Blogger -- definitely WP is my fave one. And I recommend it to my clients and NOT to my competitors.

      Who are you -- a client or a competitor of mine?

      Maybe none... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author rosan9
    The truth is from a marketing and traffic standpoint being able to use the the PR value of wordpress.com is way more beneficial than sticking wordpress on your domain. As is blogger.

    I've ranked for keywords in less than a week using the free blog platforms.

    Long term you obviously want it on your own domain, but linking to your domain from the WP authority site carries weight with Google and will get your site ranked sooner.
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by rosan9 View Post

      The truth is from a marketing and traffic standpoint being able to use the the PR value of wordpress.com is way more beneficial than sticking wordpress on your domain. As is blogger.

      I've ranked for keywords in less than a week using the free blog platforms.

      Long term you obviously want it on your own domain, but linking to your domain from the WP authority site carries weight with Google and will get your site ranked sooner.
      I guess you should read how folks are getting ranked on 1st page in Google with EZA (ezinearticles.com article marketing) - there are quite a few threads here at warrior forum.

      Update - I get ranked with self-hosted blogs on my domains in less than 24h (nothing to boast here though!) - long-tail keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author Fendi Salim
    Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

    Apologies for the assumptions.

    Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

    The secret is... L__k B______g
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by Fendi Salim View Post

      Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

      Apologies for the assumptions.

      Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

      The secret is... L__k B______g
      Yes, and that is exactly what the free sites are good for, but building to your own hosted sites.

      Best!
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by Fendi Salim View Post

      Perhaps you are focused more on the European market?

      Apologies for the assumptions.

      Google "Make Money Online" using Google US and tell us how many blogspots you can find on page 1.

      The secret is... L__k B______g
      Just one, on the second spot, and the remaining 10+ are sites and WP self-hosted blogs I guess...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Hillage
    One issue I've found with WP is that their security is not great and they can be an easy target for hackers (I found to my cost!), so worth bearing in mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      No one ever mentions that you can host on WordPress and
      do whatever you want if you upgrade to a VIP account
      and pay them $500 a month

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      • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
        Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

        No one ever mentions that you can host on WordPress and
        do whatever you want if you upgrade to a VIP account
        and pay them $500 a month

        VIP Hosting on WordPress
        Wow, from free to $500/month? They got pretty greedy here
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by John Hillage View Post

      One issue I've found with WP is that their security is not great and they can be an easy target for hackers (I found to my cost!), so worth bearing in mind.
      I guess you 've not read anti-hacking tips or watched videos that teach the topic yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author shrinagesh
    I always preferred to have total control over my blog and own my content. I found wordpress.org excellent.

    With wordpress.com blogs, you can't install google analytics, not as many plug-ins as there are for wp.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    yup installing wp on your own domain is the way to go FWIW. And don't bash the gurus. Heck, its how many of us learned. And are still learning. If this site ever dies, I'll hold a week of mourning as it is worth 10x the price of any ebook or course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
    Originally Posted by CodrutTurcanu View Post

    If you want to blog for profits and make money online (and within a few months a real living off blogging), then you have to use WP -- this is not an option.
    Making money online rarely has much to do with what you used to build your website. Could you explain why you think using anything other than WordPress precludes a blogger from making money?

    Alice
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    • Profile picture of the author CodrutTurcanu
      Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

      Making money online rarely has much to do with what you used to build your website. Could you explain why you think using anything other than WordPress precludes a blogger from making money?

      Alice
      Maybe my English is not perfect and the meaning of my argument was not understood.

      I'm not saying that "blogger" bloggers or other blogging platform owners won't make any money online.

      I should re-phrase this into something like.

      I'm using self-hosted wordpress version. I used blogger too. And I've found that if you want to make "big" money online, wordpress.org is the way to go because you control it entirely and you could even sell it later on for quick profits.

      Can't do that with Blogger.

      I guess this doesn't sound too "absolute" like my first post... lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

          Again, you're entirely mistaken about that. You can do exactly that with Blogger. There's absolutely nothing to stop you from hosting Blogger on your own site, just as with a Wordpress blog.

          Every time you sign up for a new Blogger blog, you get asked whether you want to publish it at blogspot.com or on your own site.

          How is it that so many people here are unaware of this?! :confused:
          You're right of course, I think the thing that people are alluding to is that for Blogger you're stilling doing everything by logging in to their service but the posts are FTPd onto your server so the resulting blog pages are on your host. However, you don't control the blog - you can't add plugins, do upgrades etc..... which you can with Wordpress because the whole thing CMS and all files are on your host.

          But you're right to make the distinction because that is a difference between the hosted wordpress and blogger.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    wordpress all the way baby..

    but neither determines whether your going to make money
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    • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
      Avoid the wordpress.com hosted blogs if you plan on making money. There is something stated in their TOS along the lines of, "you can't use it for commercial purposes"...

      With that being said if you monetize it with affiliate links then you will get your blog shut down. I have experienced this first hand. Save your self the headache and get your own hosting for your blog. I don't know if blogger's TOS is the same.

      Like it has already been said... wordpress.com is for the free hosting blogs like blogger. Wordpress.org is where you get your plugins, themes, and the primary software to install on your own server.

      Although I prefer Wordpress, there are other alternatives out there not limited to just blogs. You can use Joomla, Drupal, Typepad, Moveable Type, etc.

      Maybe this link will enlighten you on the alternatives.

      Blog Platforms - Poll Results

      Because really when it comes down to it, all you really need is url to drive traffic to, in order to make money. If you wanted to you could use a domain name with no hosting... put a sales page for the parked page and monetize it that way with your own product. While not the most ideal solution, it will still make you money if you drive qualified traffic to the site.

      Guru's don't teach this? Most will tell you Wordpress without even blinking an eye. It is practically the industry standard for internet marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author chemmyvick
    hmm, this is eye opening thread. i think i get this message.

    Thanks Guys
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