Newer Members - Don't Be Fooled By Member Titles Under Our Avatars

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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Yes, be very careful...

    Notice how Big Mike changed just one letter in his own title to throw you off...

    He may be Greek but he is really a Drunken Geek and the second title can be purchased from the warrior title mill for $37
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    I thought you meant one letter in his username...
    BigNike.

    They certainly are big shoes to fill.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Good point Mike. I thought that senior warrior member meant they had been here longer because if I remove my one underneath it says hyperactive warrior -very true lol

    I did not know that thank you that makes things easier to understand mr geek I mean greek
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    So are you sayin when I used to have Internet Goddess under my name I wasn't really one

    That sucks


    Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

    After all the time we've been using the new forum, I just really noticed this (they don't call me, "Master of the Obvious" for nothing!) as a potential issue for newer members not used to the Warrior Forum.

    You may know that we can assign ourselve Custom User Titles - for example, mine is Drunken Greek. These are just there for fun mostly, and are meaningless in most cases, except to the member creating it.

    In reading a thread tonight I happened to notice this one:


    There are two things about this that are misleading - the first is that no one has "Officially" assigned the title "Trusted Warrior" to this member - he or she made it up.

    Now, this person may well be perfectly trustworthy, and I'm not here to sully his or her good name. However, I can see how a newer member might read too much into that, especially for a WSO. Just keep in mind, the Warrior Forum did not assign that title.

    The second thing is the 5 stars in avatar - in the Snitz version of the WF (the pervious forum), you "Earned" stars as your post count got higher and higher. You also earned a title to go along with those five stars - "Senior Warrior".

    I mention that because I've seen quite a few Custom User Titles with Senior Warrior in them, along with a number of other variations that are not in fact "Official" titles. And I'm not all that sure that these folks would have been Senior Warriors if we were still using the Snitz forum.

    There is one other thing I noticed when I was reading a different thread that I guess you should also look out for - I saw a WSO with a title of "WSO Of The Day Award" and to my knowledge, there is no such award.

    In fact, unless Allen has personally gone into a WSO and given a recommendation for it, you should know that the Warrior Forum does not endorse WSO's or give them awards of any kind.

    These and other titles, like, "Best Selling WSO Ever" or "Most Commented WSO Ever" are made up by the seller. There is no way to know for certain which WSO was the best selling, and if you see claims about the most commented WSO's, go look at it and you'll see fully half the comments were made by the seller.

    Now, obviously folks do these things for credibility (Social Proof), but you must take them with a grain of salt. Just like high post counts, thanks given and times thanked, etc., none of them are absolutely clear indicators of anyone's credibility or success.

    As always, the best way to determine someone's credibility is to look at their past history, the posts they've made, and ask around if need be.

    Don't assume what you see on the surface is entirely accurate - just saying...

    P.S. - Not sure if it can be done, but maybe the Word Warrior could be added to an exclude list for Custom User Titles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Mike,

        Thanks for this post.

        Since I'm 6' 6" and almost 250 pounds I think I'm going to change my Custom User Title to "One of the Biggest Internet Marketers of All Time".

        I think it has a nice ring to it...

        KJ
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        • Profile picture of the author Sipboy3000
          Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

          Mike,

          Thanks for this post.

          Since I'm 6' 6" and almost 250 pounds I think I'm going to change my Custom User Title to "One of the Biggest Internet Marketers of All Time".

          I think it has a nice ring to it...

          KJ
          I guess we would have to share that title Killer Joe!

          I'm 6'5" 260 pounds, so I guess I would also qualify. LOL!

          It really does have a nice ring to it.

          All jokes aside, BIG Mike's point is why I love this forum. There are so many people here to help keep us on the right track.
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          • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
            Originally Posted by Sipboy3000 View Post

            I guess we would have to share that title Killer Joe!

            I'm 6'5" 260 pounds, so I guess I would also qualify. LOL!
            Now I want in too - I'm only 6'2 but 308 pounds

            Seriously though - it's amazing that people go to such lengths to try and abuse this forum and fool the members. I suppose it at least says something good about the forum that they think it's worth bothering to create false social proof.
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            • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
              Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

              Now I want in too - I'm only 6'2 but 308 pounds
              You're IN, Andy!

              Andy Henry - "A True Internet Marketing Heavyweight!"

              Welcome to the club.

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          • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
            Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

            Pahhhhh... you ain't the only one buster.

            I'm also 6'6" and just a little lighter than you
            at 17 stone, not much in it though.

            We should set up our own membership club,
            the Giants of Internet Marketing.

            I'll do the sales copy.
            I hear ya, Mark.

            Yea, we could all use the tag line "Bigger Than Frank Kern".

            We only come equipped with two stones here in the States. I can't even imagine what you blokes do with the other 15...:p

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          • Profile picture of the author Sipboy3000
            Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

            Pahhhhh... you ain't the only one buster.

            I'm also 6'6" and just a little lighter than you
            at 17 stone, not much in it though.

            We should set up our own membership club,
            the Giants of Internet Marketing.

            I'll do the sales copy.
            Hey man, I like the sound of that! "The Giants Of Internet Marketing"

            At 6'5" and 260, I thought I was a pretty big guy for size in IM until I met Big Jason Henderson at a recent Matt Bacak and Mark Joyner event.

            That guy is like 7 feet tall! See him here: About Big Jason : Big Marketing Blog by Jason Henderson

            Now that is a "real" giant in internet marketing!

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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Just saw the following in a WSO...

              Awarded "WSO of the Day"
              By Mike Lantz, Warrior Forum Owner
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Oh I know exactly what you mean Mike, I have had this argument on so many different forums before and will probably continue to have it long after the internet has been switched off lol

    I have always argued most vehemently that anyone who has the trust of the owner or the admins if they are a forum mod or senior/distinguished member gets a unique tag that no one can copy...that is of course if the senior members actually do any moderating.

    Of course here apparently we are all moderators so you have no right to say that I cannot put whatever the hell I want in my tag :p (joking)

    If someone is a mod, they get a tag. Make people able to see who are trusted or simply take the mod powers from everyone.

    Never been all that partial to secret police or self confessed paragons of the forums when anyone can claim the role.
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    thanks for the heads up !! it does confuse me a lot because I always thought the area on the left is OFFICIAL... but I did figure out I can assign any title to myself.. no need to earn it ... :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    I have a moderator tags in another forum and we are the only ones who are able to change our member titles due to this problem coming up time and time again...you have stated so succinctly why this is so :p

    By the way, on my forum my tag is : I had a cookie, but I eated it. (A reference to lolcats)
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I guess I'll have to stop using "Big Mike Jr." in my Title =(
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Formby
    Thanks for this another thing i didnt now, i shoudl go in now and change mine to the Smexiest Scouser in all of Scousepool Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
      Damn Mike.... I was just getting ready to add all of the stuff with the
      title

      Warrior of The Year....

      Oh well...

      ....Sidenote....gotta give credit to all of the TRUE Senior Warriors / Mods here...there is a lot that goes into keeping this forum INCREDIBLE!!!!

      Thanks for the heads up Mike!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Sean A McAlister View Post

        Damn Mike.... I was just getting ready to add all of the stuff with the
        title

        Warrior of The Year....
        Slacker. If you're going to give yourself awards, go for something big, like...

        Warrior of the Decade

        Or even...

        Warrior of the Century
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Birch
      Originally Posted by lilmikey View Post

      Thanks for this another thing i didnt now, i shoudl go in now and change mine to the Smexiest Scouser in all of Scousepool Lol
      Watch yer hub cabs peeps . . .
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  • Profile picture of the author sherrieb
    There must be some kind of default, maybe left over from the old forum? I only say that because I haven't touched mine, and it's not empty.
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    another forum made me my own group. 'Forum Pet'
    It never ends
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Good post, Big Mike. Maybe some ambitious person should take all these "what to watch out for tips" and make a sticky or an All-in-one thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
    Maybe it's time for another round of word substitution fun. trusted --> untrusted. It could make for an interesting Friday
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattk
    I seem to remember signing up and mine said: active warrior

    Now it reads: hyperactive warrior, and I never changed it.

    There must be something to do with how much a person posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
      Originally Posted by Mattk View Post

      I seem to remember signing up and mine said: active warrior

      Now it reads: hyperactive warrior, and I never changed it.

      There must be something to do with how much a person posts.
      There are defaults, however there is also a custom title option available in the user control panel in the edit your details section.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Mattk View Post

      I seem to remember signing up and mine said: active warrior

      Now it reads: hyperactive warrior, and I never changed it.

      There must be something to do with how much a person posts.
      Yeah, you'll be hyperactive now until you hit 500 posts, at which point it changes to Advanced. Unless, of course, you change it in your control panel.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMChick
      Originally Posted by Mattk View Post

      I seem to remember signing up and mine said: active warrior

      Now it reads: hyperactive warrior, and I never changed it.

      There must be something to do with how much a person posts.

      Oh-Oh, I put myself on a WF diet and haven't posted in a while...hope mine doesn't change to 'LazyChick!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
        I've got e-mails on two occations from a marketer talking about how it is an honour to get "elected" for wso of the day.

        Here are the exact quotes (names & links left out)

        p.s My popular ________ WSO just got elected "WSO OF THE DAY". If you don't have it yet, you can today save __% of the regular price.
        Check it here: _____________
        Anyway, I just learned that the Warrior forum decided to run my latest WSO (name of product) as 'WSO Of The Day'

        This is a great honor and I want you to take a look, especially if you don't have a copy yet.

        Go here: _____________

        Only great WSO's with awesome testimonials get a chance to be the 'WSO Of The Day'.
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    Damn, Rod. I always thought you were the Conversion STD.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      Damn, Rod. I always thought you were the Conversion STD.
      You instigator you......you're not supposed to out me like that!

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I think I'll post to see what mine says. I haven't noticed.

    Edit: Ahhh ... I see. I'm a senior. That explains the memory lapses.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    :rolleyes:Ohhhh I am an advanced warrior . woohoo so what am I advanced at I wonder:confused: Oh that's right I can tie my own shoes I am advanced shoe tier guy

    LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I was nominated...but I can't remember why...LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      I was nominated...but I can't remember why...LOL
      I think it was because "Goddess" was taken at the time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    If you use the warrior pro you can JV with the WF, with Warrior Pro, and also be asked to be the WSO of the day.

    It is interesting that one of the WSO of the day, is the same WSO Jack Tackett was talking about yesterday which was telling you to break copyright law.

    I wonder if the only thing which is considered for the WSO of the day is the number of sales they have. I would have thought to endorse a product they should at least read it to make sure it is honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      It is interesting that one of the WSO of the day, is the same WSO Jack Tackett was talking about yesterday which was telling you to break copyright law.

      I've seen the "WSO of the Day" awards, but I hadn't paid much attention to who was getting them or how they were getting them. After reading this thread, I'm with you that the folks giving out these awards need to seriously change the way they're doing things.

      It's down right misleading.

      First, it's misleading because it sounds as if Allen himself is endorsing WSOs. Secondly, if you think Allen or the WF is endorsing these WSOs personally, then the natural assumption is that these are GOOD products and trustworthy sellers.

      Apparently that's not the case. Apparently those factors aren't even a consideration. (At least that's what I'm gathering from this thread.)

      Problem is, this thread -- Big Mike's warning -- is eventually going to fall of the front few pages and get buried. New forum members won't see it. And so they'll be left assuming that "WSOs of the Day" are good, honest products endorsed by this forum.

      If they run into products like Jack did (copyright infringement) -- and if they realize the product is endorsing something illegal -- they're going to assume the WF endorses stuff like that.

      Alternatively, some beginners may assume that surely a product endorsed by the WF is 100% legal... and they'll apply the methods. Yikes. Double yikes.

      Thanks for the warning, Mike.

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        WSO of the Day is NOT an AWARD.

        Here's the link to the thread that introduced "WSO of the Day" and explains how it works.

        As for Allen's thoughts about WSO Pro, this thread in the War Room should shed some light. It doesn't address "WSO of the Day" specifically, but does touch on using WarriorPlus's WSO Pro system to JV with the Warrior Forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            I've gotten a couple of emails and now understand about the "Deal of the Day", which comes back to one of my original comments - at least one member changing it from a "Deal of the Day" to "WSO of the Day Award" - which are two completely different things and the point to this thread.

            Someone mentioned "Due Diligence" and when all is said and done, I agree with that completely. Members simply need to be aware that some misrepresentation on the part of the seller (not Warrior Pro) is clearly taking place and should question it, especially when it comes to WSO's.
            I agree completely. Whoever is claiming they received the "WSO of the Day Award" is shooting their credibility in the foot. Bordering on a blatant hypster I'd say. You don't buy awards. And that's basically what the WSO of the Day is. You're buying more exposure to your WSO by selling it at an even steeper discount.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I noticed the "Trusted Warrior" tagline the other day and my first thought was that this was someone I did not want to do business with. That is one sneaky, underhanded thing to do.

      I hadn't noticed the WSO of the Day "Award" but that is also pretty cheap.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anup Mahajan
    May be it is a good idea to publish the default titles somewhere and ask the newcomers to go through the list.. Still better, make this thread as sticky and ask the newcomers to read it
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      you should know that the Warrior Forum does not endorse WSO's or give them awards of any kind.
      Well actually it does.

      I know that for a fact from an unimpeachable source.

      I can't recall his name but his user title was "Allen's partner".

      Harvey




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    Thanks to write about it, i just aware of it after read this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Any chump with a $20 bill can buy a "Porn Star" T-shirt. Doesn't make it true. I won't get into the due diligence process on that one.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Wow. I never thought about the effect that these titles could have. Prior to reading this thread I had "Platinum Level Warrior" figuring that everyone would know it was a joke.

    I've now seen the error of my ways.

    BTW IMHO DogScout has the BEST title EVER.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Hmmm, I didn't realize "WSO of the Day" was solely based on sales activity. I thought those WSO's were selected on more merits but that was just my assumption since I haven't looked over the warrior plus program.

      I also didn't know WSO's not using Mike's service didn't qualify for "WSO of the Day". I need to pay more attention.

      I knew about the custom titles and yes several of those have made me roll my eyes.

      Even the default titles need to be taken with the grain of salt since it's just based on the number of posts made.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Hey Big Mike,

    Good topic here, I'll add my own thoughts...

    I think the mods should have some rule on
    self assigned titles. I know we are a marketing
    forum,having some kind of space for promoting
    ourselves should be alright, but when it's already
    misleading, then that's where the FTC errrr....I mean
    the mods come in...

    It's just a title, I know but here's what I felt about
    each title I earned in this forum.

    each forum assigned title I earned here..was sort
    of like an accomplishment for me..Not because of
    having more prestige, no..I felt some kind of personal
    accomplishment along with it..

    The best feeling I had was when I turned Senior
    Warrior Member last Dec. 24, I was so happy, it was
    a day before Christmas and I felt it was one of the
    most valuable gift I got for Christmas..

    Not because of prestige or anything, but because I
    knew that I've learned enough about Internet marketing,
    enough to earn that title. Enough to stand on my own
    and be confident that I'm a Senior Warrior now..

    Somebody with enough experience to somehow make it
    online..

    I didn't created a new thread announcing it..I didn't
    giveaway some PLR or stuff, I just celebrated it by myself
    congratulated myself and had some drinks..After all it's just
    a title..what matters is what we learned here..What we
    are now capable of doing after we earned that Senior Warrior
    Title..

    So again, maybe some kind of moderation of self-assigned
    titles will be alright, just to protect the people here....
    But that's just me..

    All the best,
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    Now maybe folks will quit telling me they just KNEW they had seen me somewhere before...!
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    I trusted everything he had to say because I thought someone from "on high" bestowed the title of "Drunken Greek" to him.

    Now I know...
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    What about these titles under username ?

    - "Want extra income ?", "Make money quick", "I follow u follow". These types of titles are attractive for newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author robw
    Thanks Mike - that is good to know. When I work out how to thank you on that post, I will!

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefanie
    I don't really pay attention to the post count as I've seen more than a few "advanced warriors" whose contribution to this forum are literally 5 word nothing responses.

    I also think the "WSO of the Day" is incredibly misleading to newbies who trust this forum and have yet to learn to do their 'due diligence' around anything involving marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny
    I thought "WSO of the Day" is linked to warriorforum? Have stopped buying WSO for quite sometimes, lost track of what's happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Johnny View Post

      I thought "WSO of the Day" is linked to warriorforum? Have stopped buying WSO for quite sometimes, lost track of what's happening.
      That's the problem - with new people joining all the time and many of them being told to come here and scam the members (from other forums), there are probably a lot of people who have no idea who owns the forum or that the WSO of the day is not actually anything to do with the forum, just riding on the back by offering a useful tool that members can use. It could just as easily have a 'best WSO of all time' tag on it, but it would be meaningless as far as this forum is concerned.

      Anyone who doesn't know whose forum this is can hardly be an involved member.

      There are a lot of people who literally just come here to post their signature links and scam people with lame WSOs that are just rehashed PLR stuff and I think it's amazing that the forum is run so well that we tend to only get glimpses of this stuff.

      Stuff like changing the avatars to have stars and putting 'trusted warrior' to fool people that don't know better just screams desperation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post


        Anyone who doesn't know whose forum this is can hardly be an involved member.
        Andy, very true.

        Sadly, those who have been here for only a couple of months, and then bragging about being awarded the WSO of the day, and getting the forum owner wrong, shows how little they want to give to the forum.

        Another fact to add to Amy, not everybody who uses the Warrior Pro button selects to be the WSO of the day, or do a JV with the Warrior Pro.

        I have no idea, but I would guess the biggest decision for chosing the wso of the day has to be finance. Also if you don't pay an extra $18 to run using the warrior pro system you will never be considered to be the wso of the day.

        One common factor is that many of them are making big claims for income, and some are obviously hype, and others telling you to break copyright, so I would doubt they have been checked.
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    Just to clarify ... I am a hillbilly warrior . Considered village idiot but didn't want to offend the other idiots out there .
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
    For those who don't know what the WSO of the Day is, and isn't, the announcement posted on this forum is here: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ays-offer.html

    "Each "WSO of the Day" will have been personally reviewed by us and/or have been selling well and getting great reviews from Warriors here in the WSO forum"

    and the statistics for WSO Pro are here: WSO Pro - The all-in-one WSO sale, delivery and management system | WarriorPlus

    From that you can come to your own conclusion as to what the designation signifies. It's not, as one person stated today, a matter of being chosen from "thousands".
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Faisal
    Thanks for the heads up Mike!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Mike, thanks for the heads-up... BUT....WE should use more often the report button.

    Even for those small things...

    Just sayin'.
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    People make good money selling to the rich. But the rich got rich selling to the masses.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    I was actually quite surprised when I saw that you can change your title right from the get-go.

    In many forums, you can't do that until you've reached something like a minimum amount of posts or thanks/rep.
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