Lets Go Another Route With PLR Rights

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Suppose someone sells PLR and sets the bottom price that the product can be sold at, lets say $37.00.

Then the person who sold the PLR rights originally makes the same available for his affialites to sell for LESS money?

HERE IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE. Lets say that hackers, bootleggers and just all around unethical IM, which there are lots get a hold of this same product and offer it online for say 15.00, 10.000 and even as low as 2.00.

Lets go a little further and say that not only 1 person does this with the same product but many do it.

So now you have legitimate people who have legally PAID GOOD MONEY for PLR content and their sales are now diminished because any one can google the products that they are selling legally at a set price, while the unethical dishonest marketer are giving away the products for next to nothing?

What is your stance on the above scenarios?

Is the original person who sold the PLR to his clients ethically right to make those who purchased his PLR stick to the lowest price, meaning they are not going to have a marketable product ANYMORE at all due to the theifs who are selling the products for next to nothing?

This is a real problem as many of you have realized.

It puts those who spend good money on PLR in a tight spot, they cannot compete being honest against the non honest marketer who has basically given the product away and continues to get away with it.

So you as a marketer what do you do. I am assuming you are honest and want to be honest. But you have paid high dollar for PLR content or products and now have found you cannot sell these products at all if you stick to your PLR agreement...?

What do you do, What would you do? I know many of you are in this situation.....
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    tough luck.. write it off as business loss.. stay away from that PLR or less reputable author.. or buy exclusive distribution right .. it is tough to stay in that game when you have to compete with those less savvy characters
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by digigo View Post

      tough luck.. write it off as business loss.. stay away from that PLR or less reputable author.. or buy exclusive distribution right .. it is tough to stay in that game when you have to compete with those less savvy characters
      Don't you realize that this happens with all PLR? So basically you are saying that PLR should not be bought at all.

      I think that the original person who sold it should adjust the pricing floor so that you can make money from the product he/she sold you because if they themselfs are not making money I can gaurantee you that they wil drop the price and squeeze every last dollar of value out of their product until 100% devalued.

      If its tough luck then its tough luck to all people in this business because MANY IM deal with PLR.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        You could...

        • Edit it into a unique product
        • Bundle/package it with other products
        • Add truly unique bonuses
        • etc.
        Anything that adds value and differentiates you from all the others selling it (legally or otherwise).
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

          You could...

          • Edit it into a unique product
          • Bundle/package it with other products
          • Add truly unique bonuses
          • etc.
          Anything that adds value and differentiates you from all the others selling it (legally or otherwise).
          Yes thats definately turning lemons into lemonade. But do they have a legal leg to stand on if you decide to compete with the product, especially if they themselves are selling it for less money than you are are told you are allowed to?
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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

            Yes thats definately turning lemons into lemonade. But do they have a legal leg to stand on if you decide to compete with the product, especially if they themselves are selling it for less money than you are are told you are allowed to?
            You bought rights under a specific licensing agreement. Did that agreement include verbiage that prevented the author from doing what they've done? I'm not saying it's right, just asking. I have no opinion on the legality of it (I'm not an attorney ).

            Have you asked them about it?

            Maybe they're not interested in repeat customers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              You just had an actual lawyer tell you in another thread that it is legal for the PLR provider to set a minimum price - what is the point with this thread?

              Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. The product owner has every right to terminate the contract with you and take away your license to the materials.

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              • Profile picture of the author digigo
                Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. The product owner has every right to terminate the contract with you and take away your license to the materials.

                Tina
                Tina.. I think the OP felt unfairly treated and get a raw deal.. but this is an indsutry wide problem and more common than I thought from what i learned from the OP.. this is just the nature of digital content.. risky game .. murky playing field...
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              • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                You just had an actual lawyer tell you in another thread that it is legal for the PLR provider to set a minimum price - what is the point with this thread?

                Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. The product owner has every right to terminate the contract with you and take away your license to the materials.

                Tina
                Tina,

                I think his main problem is with the original author. It seems they're selling below the minimum price set for PLR license holders.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
                Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                You just had an actual lawyer tell you in another thread that it is legal for the PLR provider to set a minimum price - what is the point with this thread?

                Just because someone else is doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. The product owner has every right to terminate the contract with you and take away your license to the materials.

                Tina
                Actually I do not think he addressed the question fully, he was too interested in a game......

                Nor do I think he is fully understanding the whole issue that I am talking about.

                Also I do not know if he is a internet savvy lawyer or not?

                The point of this post is to see what others have done, have dealt with, would do, ect........on and on and on.......

                I do not think this is a cut and dry type of thing personally and honestly I am not really going to pay a lawyer to tell me either nor do I care to even get that deep.

                I am simple wanting to see if someone has a precise link, or article or somekind of legal ducumenet stating the laws governing internet marketing PLR rights.

                I think that this thread is not a waste of time, as a matter of fact I think that more people should be concerned about this issue than actually seem to be, because there seems to be a clear lack of understanding about this type of thing in my opinion.

                Not only that many, many people here deal with PLR rights. There has got to be some written laws on this that a layman can read and understand.

                If anyone knows where these written laws are please post the link or the laws themselves.

                WD seems to make sense in my opinion more than the actually lawyer who made a statement about offline products and merchants, which is not the same in my opinion.
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                • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                  Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

                  There has got to be some written laws on this that a layman can read and understand.
                  Good luck finding ANY written law like that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
                    Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

                    Good luck finding ANY written law like that.
                    LOL aint that the truth, if its simple it cant be misconstured so lawyers make things complicated so that their will always be a back door and then they rely on the interpretation of the words for a backup plan......

                    lol!!!
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                • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
                  Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

                  I do not think this is a cut and dry type of thing personally and honestly I am not really going to pay a lawyer to tell me either nor do I care to even get that deep.
                  You want legal advice without paying a lawyer? Good luck!

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            • Profile picture of the author digigo
              Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

              Maybe they're not interested in repeat customers.
              very likely.. the original content owner does not care about protecting its own market.. milk as much as possible from his customers... pretty soon when he has tough time selling.. he will give it away for free...
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    it is.. make it a term you buy the license from in the effect of...

    buyer has right to adjust product pricing according to market condition...

    just be sure the contract is what you are comfortable with
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by digigo View Post

      it is.. make it a term you buy the license from in the effect of...

      buyer has right to adjust product pricing according to market condition...

      just be sure the contract is what you are comfortable with
      That makes sense but what I am really wanting to know is, do they have a legal leg to stand on if someone takes the PLR product and competes with the going market price, of either the original producer of the PLR product or just against a stupid thief who is sellling the product for next to nothing.?
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      • Profile picture of the author digigo
        Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

        That makes sense but what I am really wanting to know is, do they have a legal leg to stand on if someone takes the PLR product and competes with the going market price, of either the original producer of the PLR product or just against a stupid thief who is sellling the product for next to nothing.?
        you can take your chance.. there is always the "unconscionable contract" rule of our legal system.. which means if the contract is unconscionable it will be deemed invalid..

        welcome to the wonderful world of law ... :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Mya
    This is the biggest reason I stay away from PLR, I don't understand it enough to go with it. I was going to make some videos and PLR them out, but after looking at the rules of PLR with videos it just wouldn't be worth it in the long run.
    Then I think of it another way. Why don't I make my own rules about my PLR?
    It still ends up bad for me. I would like to see more PLR on videos and find out more rules.
    PLR drives mt nuts just thinking about it
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by Mya View Post

      This is the biggest reason I stay away from PLR, I don't understand it enough to go with it. I was going to make some videos and PLR them out, but after looking at the rules of PLR with videos it just wouldn't be worth it in the long run.
      Then I think of it another way. Why don't I make my own rules about my PLR?
      It still ends up bad for me. I would like to see more PLR on videos and find out more rules.
      PLR drives mt nuts just thinking about it
      Where are the rules you looked at? Please give me a link.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Mya
        Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

        Where are the rules you looked at? Please give me a link.....
        It all started with this post and from there I went all over the forum seeing exactly what others were doing. So I hope you find some answers, there really are some great ideas out there for video PLR though just surf through the posts and find the people who are doing it, go to there posts and see what they are selling and the rules they are applying to their video PLR.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...FzQea3fnkuBTzs
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi,-common info found on the net not my legal advice-

    Copyright law governs PLR the price being set by the person offering it is not legal I say it again a license is pertaining to what can or cannot be done with said product legally there is no way to set a price floor for a product this is really weird people think they could if you write a license that violates a law your license is void .simple.

    once you are allowed to sell a product as an authorized or licensed seller it is fair game no one can say you must sell at this amount or to this group of people. that is just wrong legally and morally.
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    PLR owner does not nurture its market and out to make a quick buck.. it says a lot about long term viability of this industry...

    @WD: is it how the licensing law works in Canada?? very strange.. from what I understand owner/creator should have the right in deciding how its product is distributed...
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    How yes not to whom where and certainly not for xx amount of dollars only which is the point. I would fight that if someone tried to enforce that on me not that I would do anything wrong of course not but if I bought a product license says you may sell edit cannot claim original copyright etc that is one thing if it then said you cannot sell it for less then and you cannot sell it in this place or that place that is not enforceable as far as I understand what I have read concerning the laws that is price fixing and restraint.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

      How yes not to whom where and certainly not for xx amount of dollars only which is the point. I would fight that if someone tried to enforce that on me not that I would do anything wrong of course not but if I bought a product license says you may sell edit cannot claim original copyright etc that is one thing if it then said you cannot sell it for less then and you cannot sell it in this place or that place that is not enforceable as far as I understand what I have read concerning the laws that is price fixing and restraint.
      -WD
      A license is an agreement. If the agreed upon terms are violated, it is revocable.
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        A license is an agreement. If the agreed upon terms are violated, it is revocable.
        I have no dispute with the license aspect that is completely valid and legal it is the set pricing and limitation of dsitributorship that is in question.

        I write my own licenses but as far as I understand the law i cannot put a demand upon someone to sell it for xx dollars and only to xx geographical market. not when I look at the laws issued governing fair trade etc


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  • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
    You do realize that outside of internet marketing, the average consumer wouldn't even think to look to see if anyone was selling the same product elsewhere, right? I mean, when it's something like a DVD player or a physical book, sure. They would assume thousands of companies would be offering the same item. But for a digital book, it wouldn't even occur to most people that it might be available elsewhere. They'd just buy from the first source.

    I have successfully converted PLR fairly well in the $20-$30 range, even when others were selling it for 99 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by Taylor French View Post

      You do realize that outside of internet marketing, the average consumer wouldn't even think to look to see if anyone was selling the same product elsewhere, right? I mean, when it's something like a DVD player or a physical book, sure. They would assume thousands of companies would be offering the same item. But for a digital book, it wouldn't even occur to most people that it might be available elsewhere. They'd just buy from the first source.

      I have successfully converted PLR fairly well in the $20-$30 range, even when others were selling it for 99 cents.
      This is my point Taylor thank you.
      you are selling it at a higher price others are selling it at a lower price that is fair. if you were restricted to a set price that would not be fair.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

        This is my point Taylor thank you.
        you are selling it at a higher price others are selling it at a lower price that is fair. if you were restricted to a set price that would not be fair.
        -WD
        I've never seen a PLR license with a set price. The ones I've encountered set a MINIMUM price. You're more than welcome to sell for more. I've even bought some that list a minimum as well as a recommended price.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Right Lance that is what I am saying. you cannot tell me how much I can sell it for you may suggest it is called MSRP manufaturers suggested retail price. for instance I am a product creator i write my licenses I know what the product is worth and what it should sell at .
    Ok.
    So then I write a license that gives them right to sell use themselves etc not sell resale right and no mrr or plr .

    OK.
    I then can suggest the value of the product I made. in a market place where competition is king and others start selling the product for say 10.00 less then I suggested that doesn't mean I can call up my lawyer and have their ass in court and without violation of an actual licensed part that I legally am able to do i cannot revoke the license . all I can do is adjust accordingly. for one person to buy something with rights for say 100.00 but then the demand drops and I as the manufacturer drop my price the license I just wrote becomes void it is so simple I don't know why there is such a confusion about this. you may suggest or it could go reverse and land you the product creator in court not the other way around.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
    Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

    Suppose someone sells PLR and sets the bottom price that the product can be sold at, lets say $37.00.

    Then the person who sold the PLR rights originally makes the same available for his affialites to sell for LESS money?

    HERE IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE. Lets say that hackers, bootleggers and just all around unethical IM, which there are lots get a hold of this same product and offer it online for say 15.00, 10.000 and even as low as 2.00.

    Lets go a little further and say that not only 1 person does this with the same product but many do it.

    So now you have legitimate people who have legally PAID GOOD MONEY for PLR content and their sales are now diminished because any one can google the products that they are selling legally at a set price, while the unethical dishonest marketer are giving away the products for next to nothing?

    What is your stance on the above scenarios?

    Is the original person who sold the PLR to his clients ethically right to make those who purchased his PLR stick to the lowest price, meaning they are not going to have a marketable product ANYMORE at all due to the theifs who are selling the products for next to nothing?

    This is a real problem as many of you have realized.

    It puts those who spend good money on PLR in a tight spot, they cannot compete being honest against the non honest marketer who has basically given the product away and continues to get away with it.

    So you as a marketer what do you do. I am assuming you are honest and want to be honest. But you have paid high dollar for PLR content or products and now have found you cannot sell these products at all if you stick to your PLR agreement...?

    What do you do, What would you do? I know many of you are in this situation.....
    E,

    It is starting to sound like you are obsessing about this.... If this was the Navy, I'd tell you to "take an even strain".

    The laws are either clear or unclear. Folks either follow the rules or they don't. The value of these products are in the eyes of the beholder/PLR Holder. If someone buys a product (with a $50 MAP) for $50 and then turns around an resells it for $2.00.... it will not be an effective competitor with you if you sell your version for $50. Unless, of course, you do what they are going to do. Stick the original sales page up, use the original title and graphics and neglect marketing the product effectively.

    All you have to do is rename the product.... change the graphics and go.... Reworking the content and the sales page will only make it better. Forget it an move on.

    I'm guessing that in most cases.... it would be nearly impossible to get either the courts OR a states attorney interested in this issue.

    Am I missing something?
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    I think there is a misconception here Steve has a product that is set at a fixed term he purchased. the person who sold it to him now has lowered the price but still has in the license a demand for the higher price. it is an actual product not an ebook or anything. PLR should really only be used as a guide for creating your own you should always have a unique product . just thought I would interject that
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Oh Lol I mean it is a different kind of product other then an e book more software related not a physical product
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    I agree the products need to be changed etc that is expected I don't know if plr for this situation is accurate I think maybe MRR is more accurate because of the way the license is but either way I mean this is just dragging on and on I guess it boils down to follow the market price accordingly and move on with it or put it on the shelf and do something else. I am weary now of this thing it is just going over and over I don't see how legally a person can set a price and sell it for way less but still demand the one he sold the rights too for even more money on top of the product can demand them to sell it higher but I see that maybe that is how people are and it is not only legal it is widely accepted. Yikes!
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