Why bother spinning articles?

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This is possibly a very stupid question, and I do spin because, well, that seems to be the done thing, but why?

I understand certain that certain directories, notably EZA, only accept original content, but otherwise why bother?

Thanks,
Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
      I use spun articles for creating backlinks with linkwheels on 2.0 sites, other article directories (better chance of the links sticking), and other domains that I own. If I'm only creating a few articles it's faster to just rewrite them, but when I create 50 or more it saves time. I'm not talking about just replacing synonyms, but rewriting the entire sentence and then replacing the synonyms. I have several submitters that will submit to hundreds of article directories with the spin syntax automatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I may be wrong, but I just can't imagine how you can take one article and spin it into other coherent copies, even if you you are individually rewriting paragraphs.
    It's actually pretty easy to get a good article this way.

    Think about it this way:

    1. You write a great article - the best article ever for the topic.
    2. Then you go in and you rewrite each paragraph. You keep the same meaning as the original but you rewrite it using different words. A lot of times when you do this you will actually notice that the rewrite is even better than the first one. You could do this just once or many times.
    3. Then you "spin" the article keeping all the paragraphs in the same order but sometimes using the original and sometimes using the rewrite.

    Wouldn't all the articles come out sounding good?

    However, given that there is no duplicate content penalty, all this extra work seems like ... well .... extra work. Unnecessary.

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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo View Post

      Thanks.

      So, you don't spin your articles? I was just curious because, from what I understand, you do a bunch of article marketing. Am I right?:confused:

      I mean, if there's no duplicate content, why not just take my newly written article, put it on on my site, submit it to EZA and every other article directory under the sun, slap it on on a bunch of other sites I own in whatever niche I am, place it on whatever free hosted blogs I have, and so on?:rolleyes:

      Why monkey around with rewriting at all? Just take the time I would otherwise spend on spinning and maybe make the one article I submit everywhere that much better??
      You can do that, but there's only so much you can do with a single article. You can't send the same article to EZA more than once, so if you want to send them another one targeting the same topic and keywords, you have to rewrite it or write a new one.

      Personally, I don't really spin articles, either manually or with software. I may use one article as reference for a new one, but I don't go from paragraph to paragraph rewriting and changing words. I find it easier just to write a new article than to keep referencing every paragraph of an old one.

      With spinning software, you have to use a format or code with brackets and very specific rules. If you make even a little mistake with the format, you end up with jibberish.
      I've tried this automated spinning, but in the end it seems like too much work for the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisJamesG
    Originally Posted by Nathan Segal View Post

    Personally, I think you would damage your reputation by using article spinners. If you're going to rewrite articles, that's an accepted practice, so long as you change enough content to make it into a new piece, but I would never use an article spinner.
    Yes sorry I mean manual rewrites, not article spinning software.

    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    If you mean "not derivative content" copied from other authors, then you're right.
    Yup, that's what I meant.

    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    For some reason, they prefer that it is spun. Maybe they believe in the dupe content penalty.
    Yeah that's what I figured would be the main reason. Although I guess if Google changed it's policies people who believe in duplicate content penalties would have the last laugh :-s
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      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

      Waiting for the RichJerksNet to chime in any second now!
      Lol. Indeed. No WF thread about articles would be complete without hearing how dreadful EZA is.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          This is certainly a point, and protecting against this future possibility is undeniably one of the arguments in favour of spinning.
          The reason I feel this is an unlikely scenario is as follows:

          you have 100 people writing a report on say the history of the Nazis.

          Now when these people go out and research they are all likely to come across the same facts and details in their research.

          What makes you think that each paper is going to be 100% unique when they are discovering and writing about the same research facts?

          And with this in mind, how do you define what is unique and original?

          Wont their be duplicate issues in relation to facts and figures?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          This is certainly a point, and protecting against this future possibility is undeniably one of the arguments in favour of spinning.
          I don't believe google will pop up a duplicate content rule...because if they did websites like ezines and all the article directories would get hit too for duplicate content. let's face it, we submit to other directories than google. And plus, if google did that we could easily bump our competitors from the search engines using blackhat techniques, not cool! So those are my thoughts on the future possibility of being penalized anyway. cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

        Lol. Indeed. No WF thread about articles would be complete without hearing how dreadful EZA is.
        LOL .. You're no fun Thomas ....

        @Nathan - While I will agree there are many crappy programs that can damage your rep ... Using a proper spinner does not do this because you can get unique well written articles using the proper tools..

        To answer the OP

        The reason why some of us that work smart and spin our articles is because it is very effective marketing. Some of the reasons to spin articles are:

        * Create Mini Reports
        * Create Press Release
        * Create Blog Post
        * Create Ebooks
        * Create PDF Documents
        * Create Squidoo and Hubpages
        * Create Videos

        But there is more to it then just this.

        Let's say you write your article and post it on your site and then take that same exact article and post it on 10 article directories. There is nothing at all wrong with this and no it will not hurt your rankings and no duplicate content penalty does not exist.

        But you may very well be missing out on great opportunities to generate additional opt-in's, customers, or followers.

        Now let's say you properly spin your article (not tweak it, but spin it to 70%+ uniqueness) and you post the original on your site and post 10 spun articles on 10 article directories.

        This is what you are going to get for working smart and taking the time to "properly" spin your article.

        1. You can use this spun content to re-purpose into other formats as explained in the above post.

        2. Almost all article directories have author rss feeds, if you submit those feeds then all you are doing is putting out 10 rss feeds that have the same exact content. Who wants to subscribe to 10 exact same rss feeds ? If you spin the articles and each directory gets a different spun article then your author rss feeds are now 70%+ unique and thus will get more subscribers.

        3. If at such time the article directories or search engines do start kicking out articles that are posted on other sites then you entire business is screwed. If you spun them though, you have nothing to worry about because you worked smart and took care of the problem before a real problem existed.

        4. By properly spinning your articles you have the ability to target other keywords with the spun versions, everybody knows targeting just 1 keyword is not going to bring the bacon home. You must target several different keywords.

        There are other reasons but this could turn into an entire ebook if I was to explain it all...

        James
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      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

      Waiting for the RichJerksNet to chime in any second now!
      And GlennLeader too.

      edit: I see he already has.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Duplicate content is a myth, you do not actually have to change your article to submit it to the directories, it is called syndication. If google did not like that it would be very easy to get your competitors de-indexed.

    Having said that, the advantages to using a HUMAN controlled spinner like artifact or article-productions is that you are the one who is writing the alternative paragraphs and words and if you do it PROPERLY then you will still wind up with hundreds of READABLE contextually RELEVANT articles with 50-70% uniqueness.

    Spinning your articles also means that blog owners will pickup your spun content because it is unique and good quality and give you major link boost and traffic boost and giving you further exposure


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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    So, you don't spin your articles? I was just curious because, from what I understand, you do a bunch of article marketing. Am I right?

    I mean, if there's no duplicate content, why not just take my newly written article, put it on on my site, submit it to EZA and every other article directory under the sun, slap it on on a bunch of other sites I own in whatever niche I am, place it on whatever free hosted blogs I have, and so on?

    Why monkey around with rewriting at all? Just take the time I would otherwise spend on spinning and maybe make the one article I submit everywhere that much better??
    You are right - I do a TON of article marketing (5,502,994 article views over at eza - shouldn't I be rich by now?). I didn't realize people knew that about me though......

    And I did use to spin my articles. I was big time into spinning and have actually been doing it for over 4 years.

    But, that was when I used to believe in the dupe content penalty. I was following the herd.

    Now the WF has convinced me there is no dupe content penalty so I think spinning the articles (for the purpose of submitting the same article to article directories) is not the best use of my time.

    There is, however other uses for spinning. Not for duplicating the same article over and over again, but for creating many different articles by taking advantage of using snippets of the same content and applying them in different ways.

    I hope I am not being confusing or vague - I just don't know how to explain it in a good way.

    James will chime in here I am sure, but he has a good spinner that is perfect for this sort of thing and can probably explain better what I am trying to say.

    Lee

    P.S. One thing we should probably all think about too is that while there is no dupe content penalty now, who knows what the future holds? Maybe spinning your articles now will pay off later if there is some big filter or penalty?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      You are right - I do a TON of article marketing (5,502,994 article views over at eza - shouldn't I be rich by now?). I didn't realize people knew that about me though......
      Wow how many articles?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        A quality article spinner, skillfully used, will generate usable articles. The key distinguishing feature is that you, as the reader, can't tell the article is spun.

        The problem is that many "article marketers" won't take the time or put in the effort to cover the "skillfully used" criterion. They buy the cheapest spinner that promises instant riches, feed it low-grade PLR or worse, and simply spew the default results all over the net.

        As someone who uses syndicated content on some of my sites, I won't choose a crappy spun article over one that's been published elsewhere just because some script on a website tells me it's original. In this context, "original" only means the script couldn't find an exact duplicate within its search parameters.

        Until I read Lee's observation about mixed-and-matched paragraphs sometimes yielding articles better than the original, I could only think of two legitimate uses for article spinners...

        The first would be to introduce keyword variations to up the chance of an article being found, whether on a directory or syndicated. For example, in a fishing article, I might interchange the phrases "surface lure" and "topwater lure" along with switching "lure" and "bait". The result gives me four different variations, any one of which might trigger a result listing. Those variations do depend on my own knowledge of the terminology used to keep the context.

        Otherwise,

        Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.

        becomes

        Jack with Jill ascended the rise in hopes of acquiring a vessel of moisture.

        The other is to feed the kids of people creating article spinners.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Wow how many articles?
    1402 articles. This is over the span of 5 years though so it's really not as impressive as it sounds when I just say 5,502,994 article views! LOL!

    Plus for most of the 5 years I really had no clue how to write a persuasive article so all those views have only resulted in 292,149 url clicks which is 5.3%. I get a higher ctr now on my articles - live and learn!

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I spin a lot of the articles I submit. I never use one of those autospinners though. All of those I have tried spit out stuff that reads like it was written by someone who learned English as their third or fourth language.

    I do not spin articles to avoid any kind of penalty. There is no such penalty. In fact many times I submit the same article to 400+ directories. The only reason I do some spinning is because you never know when Google and other search engines may decide to change the rules.
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  • heh, might wanna update your copyright to 2010 on your PLR packs niche site cash cow

    just pointing it out incase you missed it.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnng
      Hundreds of Blogs and sites with the same article over and over again! Just for that reason alone I will want to spin. But it is wiser to add a little bit extra just to give a bit of quality!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marekso
    Well you can "bother" with article spinning to save time, that's what it's all about isn't it? mutiplying content but still keeping it fresh enough for the reader to like it.

    Although it's becoming slighly more difficult these days to pull it off.. haha...
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  • Profile picture of the author tony1kenobi
    There is no duplicate content penalty!

    But there is a SPAM penalty.

    If you provide your own variations for each paragraph or sentence of an article that is fine as you have taken the time to write every one of them...

    So, your articles will be your own and you can distribute then as much as you like.

    This type of spinning means that you are more likely to attract more organic searches from your articles because you have many different combinations etc....and your articles will not be seen as spam

    Spamming is when a spinner generates the articles for you. Most times they use automated synonym replacement or markov chains - which results in very poor articles which the search engines will detect as the spam it is!

    Hope this helps.

    If you want to know more about automated synonym replacement and why it is a bad thing I have put a vid up on youtube about it.

    you can see it here:
    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    My head is spinning after reading this thread...haha

    I use articles to drive traffic to my web page and primary business. I tried spinning some articles but didn't see any increased results yet. Going to look into it again after this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    heh, might wanna update your copyright to 2010 on your PLR packs niche site cash cow
    Thanks - I was actually in there working on the site so this was quite timely. I had actually forgotten all about the year change!

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  • Don't think google would dramatically change its rules.. atleast not change it so people in the past are affected, for several reasons such as history and facts can't be changed, so on that basis everyone who writes about the same things would be penalized? even though they can't change history or facts... I think "if" they do anything it'll be more to do with spamming and figuring out when something isn't providing value or relevant.

    It's google, its gonna be more complex than just "o look, same content accross these sites, ban ban ban" Done but wait, now they just lost half the web because of it
    A high percentage is one time or another duplicated somewhere else.

    I don't see us getting banned in the near future, atleast not in time for anyone who gets a business site up and running to be affected by it. Providing you build a list.

    *EDIT* No problem, I went walkies because I was intrigued by your numbers and came across the site, glad I could help
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    which results in very poor articles which the search engines will detect as the spam it is!
    I'd like to hear more about this spam penalty and how it works. As a software engineer I can't wrap my head around how a search engine could detect this programatically to any degree of accuracy without just as many non spammy sites being penalized as real spam sites are.

    Then again, I did get laid off a few years back, maybe there's new stuff I don't know about.

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    • Profile picture of the author tony1kenobi
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      I'd like to hear more about this spam penalty and how it works. As a software engineer I can't wrap my head around how a search engine could detect this programatically to any degree of accuracy without just as many non spammy sites being penalized as real spam sites are.

      Then again, I did get laid off a few years back, maybe there's new stuff I don't know about.

      Lee
      If you need something to help you sleep then this Google patent application might just do the trick:
      Methods And Systems For Identifying Manipulated Articles
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Originally Posted by Nathan Segal View Post

    Personally, I think you would damage your reputation by using article spinners. If you're going to rewrite articles, that's an accepted practice, so long as you change enough content to make it into a new piece, but I would never use an article spinner.
    No all spinners are created equal. There are some that will do a splendid job
    for you, and you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between the original,
    and the spun version.

    HTH

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    • Profile picture of the author TimAtkinson
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      No all spinners are created equal. There are some that will do a splendid job
      for you, and you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between the original,
      and the spun version.

      HTH

      Glenn


      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      LOL .. You're no fun Thomas ....

      @Nathan - While I will agree there are many crappy programs that can damage your rep ... Using a proper spinner does not do this because you can get unique well written articles using the proper tools..

      To answer the OP

      The reason why some of us that work smart and spin our articles is because it is very effective marketing. Some of the reasons to spin articles are:

      * Create Mini Reports
      * Create Press Release
      * Create Blog Post
      * Create Ebooks
      * Create PDF Documents
      * Create Squidoo and Hubpages
      * Create Videos

      But there is more to it then just this.

      Let's say you write your article and post it on your site and then take that same exact article and post it on 10 article directories. There is nothing at all wrong with this and no it will not hurt your rankings and no duplicate content penalty does not exist.

      But you may very well be missing out on great opportunities to generate additional opt-in's, customers, or followers.

      Now let's say you properly spin your article (not tweak it, but spin it to 70%+ uniqueness) and you post the original on your site and post 10 spun articles on 10 article directories.

      This is what you are going to get for working smart and taking the time to "properly" spin your article.

      1. You can use this spun content to re-purpose into other formats as explained in the above post.

      2. Almost all article directories have author rss feeds, if you submit those feeds then all you are doing is putting out 10 rss feeds that have the same exact content. Who wants to subscribe to 10 exact same rss feeds ? If you spin the articles and each directory gets a different spun article then your author rss feeds are now 70%+ unique and thus will get more subscribers.

      3. If at such time the article directories or search engines do start kicking out articles that are posted on other sites then you entire business is screwed. If you spun them though, you have nothing to worry about because you worked smart and took care of the problem before a real problem existed.

      4. By properly spinning your articles you have the ability to target other keywords with the spun versions, everybody knows targeting just 1 keyword is not going to bring the bacon home. You must target several different keywords.

      There are other reasons but this could turn into an entire ebook if I was to explain it all...

      James
      Glenn and James you both mention about Spinners out there that are high in quality. Would you be so kind to enlighten me of such software. I outsource my spinning to a darn good writer but as you could imagine it is quite costly. I'm sure others might want to know as well-Thank you both
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        Originally Posted by TimAtkinson View Post

        Glenn and James you both mention about Spinners out there that are high in quality. Would you be so kind to enlighten me of such software. I outsource my spinning to a darn good writer but as you could imagine it is quite costly. I'm sure others might want to know as well-Thank you both
        Check their sig files - both sell article spinners...

        EDIT:

        This does not in any way detract from the value of their posts. They both raise legitimate points. Just offering you a shortcut to finding what you seek...
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

        Spinning is all about leveraging your efforts. And leverage is absolutely necessary if you want to succeed at IM without burning out.
        Very well said, I agree 100%

        Originally Posted by TimAtkinson View Post

        Glenn and James you both mention about Spinners out there that are high in quality. Would you be so kind to enlighten me of such software. I outsource my spinning to a darn good writer but as you could imagine it is quite costly. I'm sure others might want to know as well-Thank you both
        I joined James' site this week(click the 'Article Directory' link in his signature ) and I think it's up there with the best decisions I've ever made since I've been in IM. With my first try of the spinner(just one of MANY tools available there), I simply rewrote each paragraph twice and got 10 very unique articles as a result(ranging from 50-85%) It didn't take me long either. This was my first attempt too. My advice is to look no further than Article Productions if you're a serious article marketer, and bear in mind the spinner is just one of the tools available
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisJamesG
    So is it common practice for someone to write an article, put it up on their site, spin it, then put it up on the site as a new article?

    If so, what % difference is recommended? Isn't this decreasing the qaulity of your website because it's the same information again just written differently?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by claude20 View Post

      I also have a question, as a newb myself.
      I don't have a landing page and im promoting a CB product. First i submit to EZA with my affiliate link in bio, and
      then i submit to more 50+ article directories but i link all of them to my EZA article, which is exactly the same to get a lot of backlinks. What do you think about this?
      I don't really see any benefits from submitting to hundreds of article directories if i don't have a landing page, so I'm linking them to my EZA article. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!
      All of that work just to build up an adsense farm .. Wow!!!

      You really need to build your own site, install a blog if you do not know how..

      For proper article marketing here is a great start
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

      Make sure to read it all, take notes, and test ...

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by claude20 View Post

      I also have a question, as a newb myself.
      I don't have a landing page and im promoting a CB product. First i submit to EZA with my affiliate link in bio, and
      then i submit to more 50+ article directories but i link all of them to my EZA article, which is exactly the same to get a lot of backlinks. What do you think about this?
      I don't really see any benefits from submitting to hundreds of article directories if i don't have a landing page, so I'm linking them to my EZA article. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!
      James' trademark remark about the EZA adsense farm aside, this seems like a really silly strategy from a human point of view. If someone reads your article on one of these alternate directories, clicks your link to EZA, and sees the exact same article, word for word, do you seriously think they will read it again so they can click your affiliate link?

      Especially since I'm guessing that we're talking the same type of 250-500 word filler most people label as articles...

      As a reader, I'm going to recognize the first sentence or two, realize it's just a copy of what I already just read, and ignore the rest. I'm not even going to get to your resource box, much less click through your recommendation.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by claude20 View Post

          Basically i'm not waiting for any sales from other directories, they just work as backlinks to get a good Google rank for my EZA article.
          Ok, Claude, you asked for feedback and I gave it. Since it appears that what you were really looking for was validation, I'm refunding every penny you paid for what I wrote. Good luck... :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by claude20 View Post

              Yes, I guess I only needed validation. Thanks for your feedback, sorry if I offended you. Kinda hard for me to express myself in English.
              It takes more than that to offend me. The thing is, your English is good enough that I had no clue it wasn't your native language.

              We're cool...
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    all the search engines have evolved and gravitate toward human factors.. so if you spin your articles and they becomes nonsensical .. no reputable publisher will quote your article.. no blogs will use your article.. it is quite easy to see those articles are generated by computers... so you are right.. "why bother"?... you can win by quantity as it used to be...
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  • Profile picture of the author rinnell garrett
    Spinning an article is total waste of time and money. Its much better if rewritten. EZA easily accepts rewritten articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Busa
    Originally Posted by ChrisJamesG View Post

    This is possibly a very stupid question, and I do spin because, well, that seems to be the done thing, but why?

    I understand certain that certain directories, notably EZA, only accept original content, but otherwise why bother?

    Thanks,
    Chris
    Hey Chris,

    Like the name lol, but anyway when I spin my articles I usually spin each sentence individually so each article is highly unique. So why do we bother with spinning you ask? Because say you take that article and do not spin it and it does show up in the search engines for your keywords you chose.

    Well that article will have the same title the same opening as all your other articles and will lose it effectiveness but is you spin your articles your openings and titles will be unique and you have a greater chance of having more views to that article.

    So my advice if you do not want to spin your articles is at least spin your titles and your openings of your articles (what shows up in the search engines).
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanT
    article spinning is just a quick fix to writing 20 articles. alot of spinning things I've seen aren't all that great but basically you write a few articles then spin them and you supposedly end up with 20 or so articles that are the same only different. make sense?
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  • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
    Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo View Post

    I may be wrong, but I just can't imagine how you can take one article and spin it into other coherent copies, even if you you are individually rewriting paragraphs.
    I would have agreed with that until recently. Running article directories I have seen a lot of badly spun articles that really don't make sense and assumed that all spun articles were crap.

    After repeatedly seen that richjerk geezer defending article spinning but according to him 'the right way' I got curious, decided that I should have a more open mind and take a proper look. I think now that he is right. By rewriting each paragraph several times and substituting, keeping in the same order you can end up with lots of good versions of an article and not the gobbledygook I've seen so much of from other spinning systems.

    I would not submit more than one version to each article directory, but I will use different versions for my blogs, hub pages and squidoo.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post

      After repeatedly seen that richjerk geezer defending article spinning but according to him 'the right way'
      Oh thanks Patricia ... I think lol

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author vicone
        I'd like to hear more about this spam penalty and how it works.
        Although poorly written spam articles appearing on the same site may fool a Google bot, there are many human reviewers employed by Google that are not so easily fooled. The search engines have for years been alert to software generated sites offering little or no value and when a site is discovered which appears to have been designed to fool the SE and gain what they consider to be an undeserved higher ranking, that site disappears from the SE display pages and receives little or no traffic.

        As well, if those sites are also using AdSense, it is easy for Google to check related sites to unearth other poor quality sites in the network using that same AdSense ID.

        Even so, it is still possible to avoid a duplicate penalty by having many copies of the same article on the same site IF quality spinning is used and each of those articles is substantially different. Though saying basically the same thing (in a different way), 50-100 articles that target different long-tail keywords could be useful to attract traffic for a tightly focused site.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jag82
    If you want leverage from your existing article
    marketing efforts, then it pays to spin.

    I think there is still a big misconception that spinning
    only produces garbage results. And that is probably
    only half right.

    If you input garbage, naturally you get garbage results.

    If you take the effort to re-write properly, you get
    quality and unique variations of your original articles.

    The spinner is just a tool devised to help you
    rewrite faster and in a more efficient manner.

    Lastly I want to state that if you are posting the
    exact same articles (without spinning) across web 2.0 sites
    (e.g. hubpages, squidoo etc), your article will be seen
    as "duplicate" and will not receive enough "power".

    Hence your article will not rank higher within their
    sites' ranking or points system. And you will not get
    your deserved exposure even if your original article
    is a quality one.

    Sometimes, duplicate articles may even get deleted
    in web 2.0 sites.

    To wrap up - you can choose not spin if you
    don't want to.

    But if you are willing to invest a little extra of your time,
    you will see greater leverage in terms of exposure.

    Jag
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    The reason why some of us that work smart and spin our articles is because it is very effective marketing. Some of the reasons to spin articles are:

    * Create Mini Reports
    * Create Press Release
    * Create Blog Post
    * Create Ebooks
    * Create PDF Documents
    * Create Squidoo and Hubpages
    * Create Videos
    THE one thing that I would add to Jame's list is Links.

    Yes, you can Spin links. Imagine, combining Go Codes and a plugin called "WordSpinner" or another one called "SEO WordSpinner".

    Ahhhhhh...

    The power. Spinning is wonderful.
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  • Wait people are still relying on letting software generate words for them?

    The only reason I use auto-submission software with spinning capabilities is so that I don't have to re-write my article 20-30 or 40 so on times and then paste them into each directory.

    With the software I use, using syntax I write different versions of each sentence, spin it a few times and make sure that the versions make sence. Then my software automatically distributes to 200+ article sites over 30 min period submitting my hand written versions to all these article sites.

    For example I come up with:

    Yes, I {guess|suppose} I {only|simply|merely} {needed|required|wanted} validation. Thanks for your {feedback|view|advice}, sorry if I offended you. Kinda {hard|difficult|troublesome|tough} for me to {express|articulate} myself in English.

    Yes, I guess I merely wanted validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

    Yes, I guess I simply needed validation. Thanks for your feedback, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

    Yes, I guess I only needed validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda troublesome for me to articulate myself in English.

    Yes, I guess I only wanted validation. Thanks for your view, sorry if I offended you. Kinda difficult for me to express myself in English.

    Yes, I guess I simply needed validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

    Done it in a couple mins, not the best of spins haha, and sorry claude for using you

    But an article can be spun pretty well if you take time to change every word that has the same meaning but different ways of saying it

    J.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      Wait people are still relying on letting software generate words for them?

      The only reason I use auto-submission software with spinning capabilities is so that I don't have to re-write my article 20-30 or 40 so on times and then paste them into each directory.

      With the software I use, using syntax I write different versions of each sentence, spin it a few times and make sure that the versions make sence. Then my software automatically distributes to 200+ article sites over 30 min period submitting my hand written versions to all these article sites.

      For example I come up with:

      Yes, I {guess|suppose} I {only|simply|merely} {needed|required|wanted} validation. Thanks for your {feedback|view|advice}, sorry if I offended you. Kinda {hard|difficult|troublesome|tough} for me to {express|articulate} myself in English.

      Yes, I guess I merely wanted validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

      Yes, I guess I simply needed validation. Thanks for your feedback, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

      Yes, I guess I only needed validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda troublesome for me to articulate myself in English.

      Yes, I guess I only wanted validation. Thanks for your view, sorry if I offended you. Kinda difficult for me to express myself in English.

      Yes, I guess I simply needed validation. Thanks for your advice, sorry if I offended you. Kinda tough for me to express myself in English.

      Done it in a couple mins, not the best of spins haha, and sorry claude for using you

      But an article can be spun pretty well if you take time to change every word that has the same meaning but different ways of saying it

      J.
      That particular example spin was pretty awful :p But yeah, I agree - I use syntax where it is needed, such as for Article Bot submissions
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      • Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

        That particular example spin was pretty awful :p But yeah, I agree - I use syntax where it is needed, such as for Article Bot submissions
        haha yeah, totally agree. I simply wanted to show that with a bit of time and some re-writing using software yourself, you can make plenty of versions (and if you take your time, versions that have actually been spun well aka not the short piece I used as example hihi), rather than letting software do it itself

        Jay.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Thanks tony1kenobi ... I actually read that. Or tried to anyway - I think they made up some words in there.

    In fact, that document actually looks like something that a crappy spinner would spit out!
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    • Profile picture of the author tony1kenobi
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Thanks tony1kenobi ... I actually read that. Or tried to anyway - I think they made up some words in there.

      In fact, that document actually looks like something that a crappy spinner would spit out!

      lol, I like your philosophy :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author abelacts
    Whether spun articles or not, the bottom line is whether your articles are readable and are of high quality. Afterall, content is what drives the Internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    I do it occasionally but I change the first sentence entirely, not just one word or two. Use two or 3 variations, so 30 minutes would give me lot so versions.

    Even then it is only going to the top 25 article directories.
    why send to more when GA show no traffic from them while EZA, Articlesbase, Amazines et al show more?
    there are better social communities to send a good quality article for targeted traffic.

    BTW, I gave up on artcldashboard since they really made their site an adsense farm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by Lukas View Post

      I do it occasionally but I change the first sentence entirely, not just one word or two. Use two or 3 variations, so 30 minutes would give me lot so versions.

      Even then it is only going to the top 25 article directories.
      why send to more when GA show no traffic from them while EZA, Articlesbase, Amazines et al show more?

      there are better social communities to send a good quality article for targeted traffic.

      BTW, I gave up on artcldashboard since they really made their site an adsense farm.
      For backlinks?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by Lukas View Post

      I do it occasionally but I change the first sentence entirely, not just one word or two. Use two or 3 variations, so 30 minutes would give me lot so versions.

      Even then it is only going to the top 25 article directories.
      why send to more when GA show no traffic from them while EZA, Articlesbase, Amazines et al show more?
      there are better social communities to send a good quality article for targeted traffic.

      BTW, I gave up on artcldashboard since they really made their site an adsense farm.
      Dude,

      you should be syndicating your articles to as many directories as possible, not only for the backlinks but because people do actually browse these smaller lesser known sites as well and when you are one of only a few authors in a particular category, you will get more article views, and potentially more sales.

      Only submitting to the top 25 directories is really silly because you are competing against lots and lots of other authors making it more difficult for you to get your articles viewed.



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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

        Dude,

        you should be syndicating your articles to as many directories as possible, not only for the backlinks but because people do actually browse these smaller lesser known sites as well and when you are one of only a few authors in a particular category, you will get more article views, and potentially more sales.

        Only submitting to the top 25 directories is really silly because you are competing against lots and lots of other authors making it more difficult for you to get your articles viewed.



        Chris
        Someday Chris maybe some will understand this ... They just have no idea how much they lose because they want to follow what joe blow "expert" said ....

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasShay
    I belong to a Article Distributation Network where its easy to spin my own articles. The main problem with this is that most of the articles I recieve are junk. The authors don't read them, and they don't make any sense.

    So if you do article spinning, make sure you are the one spinning the article, not some kind of software.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      I timed my staff using a variety of article spinners versus rewriting a quality article using Dragon Naturally Speaking. The timing came out to be about the same, yet the articles written with DNS clearly won out in terms of quality. I thought the first time might have been a fluke, so I tested it a few more times. Nope.

      I nuked all the article spinners. I found them to be a waste of our organization's time. All my virtual properties are white hat and have no use for article spinning. If anyone understands the compounding effect that quality content has they would stop using spinners.

      Occasionally one of my marketing buddies from here or in one of my mastermind groups has a new article spinner that's going to be a "game-changer" for me to test. We test it and the results are the essentially same. Original, quality content still wins and it fits better with our long-term strategy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    the top 25 is for clients mostly and I have tried to convince them there are some better alternatives but that is what they want.

    also using niche targeted directories & social communities to lower my competition, submit to active established niche blog owners.

    I don't believe in mass distribution to directories with low traffic unless you can show proof.

    syndicate to smaller directories? where it is scraped and republished elsewhere under different names? no thanks. syndicate to niche ezines and lists yes.

    when I did submit to 100's of directories, I found myself wasting precious time to hunt them scraping blog owners down with whois info only to find out it is bad contact info and they are their own host in another country. good luck on shutting that site down;

    you may know this already but it is better to build your own site with articles too as "the source" with targeted kws than getting 1 or 2 links on a page with 100 links to an article that could be deleted. It all depends on your goals,, CPA, adsense, affiliate, etc.
    if your system is legal and works, stick with it.
    BTW: {We manually spin articles phrases and sentences, not just the words| Our team prefers to dish out unique hand edited points of views or opinions.|......blah bla } - spinners are no good.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    IMO, if you do manual spins and take some time to set things up, you can usually get pretty high quality, highly unique (50-60% unique) content instantly. I do if pretty regularly to get dozens of articles that are then posted to sites like HubPages or Squidoo for backlinks.

    The original articles are submitted to just EZA
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by sashas View Post

      IMO, if you do manual spins and take some time to set things up, you can usually get pretty high quality, highly unique (50-60% unique) content instantly. I do if pretty regularly to get dozens of articles that are then posted to sites like HubPages or Squidoo for backlinks.
      Exactly Most people read the word 'spinner' and automatically assume you are talking about a software that spits out crap - it isn't always the case.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

        Exactly Most people read the word 'spinner' and automatically assume you are talking about a software that spits out crap - it isn't always the case.
        That is because instead of testing things for themselves they follow some so-called guru / expert that knows nothing about marketing.. They fake it and many follow...

        This goes along with why many fail, they never take action ...

        James
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by sashas View Post

      IMO, if you do manual spins and take some time to set things up, you can usually get pretty high quality, highly unique (50-60% unique) content instantly. I do if pretty regularly to get dozens of articles that are then posted to sites like HubPages or Squidoo for backlinks.

      The original articles are submitted to just EZA
      Your correct here most people who bash spinners are likely using autospinners, ones with predefined words and/or and not modifying them to their writing styles or just do not know how to use the tool properly. There are also purist who choose not to use them!

      Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

      Exactly Most people read the word 'spinner' and automatically assume you are talking about a software that spits out crap - it isn't always the case.
      Correct here ... but what usually happens is cr@p in = CR@P OUT (due to incorrect usage).

      People who use a spinner for what it is such as leveraging their time to gain backlinks will soon realize that it flat out works. Just about all auto spinners just change it at the word level but not to discredit auto spinners many will allow you to change the predefined dictionary or words for your own writing style.

      Well written spun articles will be written not just for word replacement but sentence and paragraph replacement and when it is done correctly it is impossible to tell that it is a spun article.
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