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  • Profile picture of the author Cameron May
    You know Theaters don't make any money from ticket sales - they have to give all of that money to the movie producers.

    You'd have to have big time contracts with the movies, and that site would take a lot to custom code.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Cameron May View Post

      You know Theaters don't make any money from ticket sales - they have to give all of that money to the movie producers.

      You'd have to have big time contracts with the movies, and that site would take a lot to custom code.
      Cameron, You are right. I did contract work for a few movie theaters and the reoccurring thing I was told = "Movie theaters are fast food restaurants that just happen to show movies." So the real profit came from food, popcorn, drink and candy sales.

      Kory, you might be able to monetize it through ads or other things. If you feel really passionate about this you probably will find a way to make it work.

      Good Idea,
      George Wright P.S. I would watch movies through a service like yours but I still feel that you would have to think of other ways to make money other than just the viewing of the movie.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I like your idea, Kory.

    I currently subscribe to Netflix and visit Hulu.com to watch movies online. However, the majority of these movies are a bit older, and none of them are new releases.

    I'm sure there would be many obstacles to overcome - mainly from movie studios, theaters, etc. - but, as I said, I like the idea.

    Even if you were to pay an extra dollar or two, that'd be fine with me.

    One question, how could you guarantee the movies would not be copied, and distributed digitally?

    All the best,
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Tuzic
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      hi,

      like your idea and plan but im not sure how easy this would be to create, being a realist.
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  • Profile picture of the author getsmartt
    I like the idea....But and it is a BIG BUT...Unfortunately (IMHO) it will not happen The Movie industry is way too protective of their retail theater sales, heck they will not even allow simultaneous DVD releases in most cases (although I have heard some promising news on this front).

    Not to bust your dream though...go for it, I have been wrong before
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    • Profile picture of the author zephyrwriting
      Allowing such a thing would automatically enable easier piracy I'm guessing. Personally, unless that aspect can be addressed, I do not think that any movie studio would agree to it.

      -Vish.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Check with a major hotel chain what they do. They run just released movies all the time.

        But I suspect it's because:

        a) They are major chains and get decent contracts.
        b) You can't record in the hotel room (easily...)

        Me, personally - I am not one who needs to see a movie right away (rarely). I'd rather wait and then rent it for 4 bucks...

        Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    I'd definitely look into a dedicated server for this one.

    Seriously, the movie studios have already thought of this and may try it at some point. If so, they would be partnering with major Internet companies, not a startup.

    It would seem to make more sense for them to just allow cable/satellite pay-per-view on the release day... far more people would rather watch a movie on their TV than their computer, and the infrastructure is already in place for PPV.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexshelton
    Kory its a great idea, now just convince Warner Bro's to let you do it!

    Best of luck with it all

    Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
    okay, i typed 4 paragraphs but then i deleted them all.. to summarize 'em: "sorry, don't want to burst your bubble - but that won't happen."
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by ChrisByrns View Post

      okay, i typed 4 paragraphs but then i deleted them all.. to summarize 'em: "sorry, don't want to burst your bubble - but that won't happen."
      I respectfully have to disagree, but only slightly. I honestly think it WILL happen, the only question is when. Maybe if Kory keeps at it he can find the solutions to any roadblocks along the way.

      It's a good idea, IMHO, but there are sure to be problems along the way. But that's no reason to give up.

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      • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        I respectfully have to disagree, but only slightly. I honestly think it WILL happen, the only question is when. Maybe if Kory keeps at it he can find the solutions to any roadblocks along the way.

        It's a good idea, IMHO, but there are sure to be problems along the way. But that's no reason to give up.

        ~Michael
        well i think.. how do i put it.. the movie industry is such a BIG monster, and i am *sure* some really big players already thought about this idea...
        the fact that there isn't already such a site/concept is proof enough (for me) that it ain't gonna happen - unless PERHAPS if you have a humongous amount of venture partners / -capital. ..but okay i might be wrong - "errare humanum est"!
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by ChrisByrns View Post

          well i think.. how do i put it.. the movie industry is such a BIG monster, and i am *sure* some really big players already thought about this idea...
          the fact that there isn't already such a site/concept is proof enough (for me) that it ain't gonna happen - unless PERHAPS if you have a humongous amount of venture partners / -capital. ..but okay i might be wrong - "errare humanum est"!
          I see where you are coming from. My main point was that I think it will eventually happen, even if it takes several years. Computers are here to stay, but I'm not so sure about movie theaters.

          No problem, "ignoscere divinum".

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          • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post


            [...] No problem, "ignoscere divinum".

            ~Michael
            i thank you
            but you have a point there, of course something like this can happen in the future - and probably will! ..i just don't think that a complete new startup will make it happen.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              This idea may well be something we'll see in the future - but I would expect it to come from some of the major players.

              I think the first thing that will happen is that new movies will be released on cable pay per view at the same time they are released in theaters. This may have already begun as I found the following info online

              Coming soon to a Comcast channel (and to a theater) near you: Newly released independent films from IFC Entertainment, best known for such movies as Boys Don't Cry and My Big Fat Greek Wedding .

              In a move sure to shake up the entertainment business, Philadelphia-based Comcast Corp. said it had signed a deal with IFC to debut movies through its On Demand service on the same day they are released in theaters.
              IFC is, I think, an independent studio - but if this is successful, I'd expect major studios might follow. May depend on what the agreements are with movie theaters.

              If cable companies follow this lead and are able to show new movie release while they are in theaters - I think they'd win the race. As with your idea, they require no driving but have the advantage of being able to lounge on the couch or in a recliner watching a large screen TV rather than watching a much smaller video monitor.

              You won't know the potential until you do serious research and make some contacts to see what the reception is from big companies. I think you have an interesting idea - but it may be over reaching to expect to be able to get cooperation from major studios when you are not known in the industry and do not have a distribution network set up.

              Your competition is not movie theaters - it's cable and satellite providers.

              There's nothing to stop you from trying it - do the research and attempt to make some contacts and see where it leads.

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  • Profile picture of the author ptone
    I like the idea but also agree with the sentiment that you would have an extremely difficult time with studios and theaters.

    But you could offer movies from independent filmmakers whose movies do not make it to the big theaters. I'm sure they would love to partner with you, especially if you could bring them tons of viewers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I like your entrepreneurship spirit, reminds me of myself a few years ago...I wanted to build a social networking site that targeted a certain type of demographic. At the time, it was just too overwhelming as a "bedroom startup" and it's sad theses days as I see similar ideas now a reality...because someone had the money and I didn't.

    However, I think you need to consider this:

    1. Sky Tv is a multibillion pound corporation and they are probably the closest to delivering the latest films to people's homes.

    Even though you're talking about NEW releases as they are actually released, I think media giants like Sky, Virgin and other traditional corps that deliver such living room services are going to be a little closer to making this a reality than you I'm afraid...

    ...and I would dare say that this is something that has been discussed at thousands upon thousands of high profile board meetings with such companies.

    2. As already mentioned in another reply, there are several companies that would be standing in line way infront of yourself, simply because they already have a strong presence in their industry and would be set up to implement such a service.

    3. I think that it's a cool idea and yes, it WOULD work. Sadly, it's not the sort of industry that you just walk off the streets and say "hey, check this out..." and not expect the entire board room to frown on you and say "urm, yes...we've been discussing this for years".

    4. Apart from the astronomical start up costs, funding and partners required, you'd have to do some serious research (and I don't mean googling, I mean hundreds of thousands of pounds worth) in order to establish whether there is enough demand for average broadband users to pay to watch a movie on their significantly smaller PC/Mac monitor, at a less than perfect quality...and with very little chance of a backrow romance or popcorn war.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D
    I love the idea esp if I could hook it up to my big screen to watch. You would have a tough time with contracts and pricing with movie theaters. But, if they made most of the money off of ticket sales and you just sold advertising space and slot like Hulu does you could make money. But the bandwidth cost would be astronomical so it would be tough to say if it would be really profitable for you or not.

    Now, if you some how tied in a social aspect to it with profile, reviews, comments, ect. that would be cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dick Doe
    Wow! Great idea. I like emotional movies and comedies, btw.

    Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

    My goal isn't to drive movie theaters out of business.
    Kory
    But you will surely put youtube out of business some day.

    Just kidding!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWatcher
    Kory,

    I generally agree that either the studios themselves or the likes of Sky would already be rolling this out if it were on the cards. I don't think it is, and for one simple reason.

    If you want to see a new movie you pay PER PERSON. A family of 5 means FIVE tickets. A streaming/downloaded movie could be viewed by you, your whole family and your friends from down the street, all at the same time. Big reduction in revenue potential for the studio.

    If you were to develop a piece of software or a solution that helped the studios get past the roadblocks of per person billing, duplication, bandwidth - you would have your million-dollar business.

    -Mark.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Personally I love the idea... But I don't think movie theaters would allow that to happen. While we're on the topic, how much does it cost to go to a movie were you are from?

    Here in Kitchener Ontario Canada it costs $15 and that's before you even get to the overpriced stale food

    Mike Hill

    PS. Now if you somehow got contracts to show PPV events that are sold out way in advance like the UFC fights then I think it would be killer... It gives people who don't have a PPV box to get the fights too... It would still cost the same but I think it would open up a wider part of the market.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tinkerbell
    Hi Kory.

    While the idea is not original (I had the same thought about two years ago...even had a domain name "iTOD.com" for Internet Theater On Demand...but I let other people swiftly shoot the idea down for me. Doesn't mean you have to though.

    This is doable, no matter what anyone says. You just have to be willing to jump through all the hoops to get it set up. I wasn't willing. Maybe you are?

    Anyway, just wanted to put my two cents in on it.

    Do what you feel is best for you.

    Tina
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Geez, I hate to sound like a wet blanket but...

    Apple is already waiting in the wings for this:

    Apple - Apple TV

    When and if movie studios ever decide to go "live" like you've envisioned, you've got one Steve Jobs one significant step ahead of you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      This is idea, and its execution are typical of distribution streams that require a hefty licensing fee paid up front.

      That fee would be based on profit potentials, realized or not, by the licensee as negotiated with the licensor.

      For what you are talking about my guess would be that the license fee would bigger than a breadbox and not much smaller than a corporate bailout.

      Have you written your Congressperson yet?

      KJ
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

    Does that sound dumb? Give me some good mean judgments and pound it in my head if it's dumb! Even though I still think it's awesome. I know I'd watch them over the internet.

    Kory

    Kory

    Google 'Mike Belmont' or 'MdotStrange'.

    Watch 'We Are The Strange' on YouTube.

    :We are the Strange:

    It's about one man who is taking on the movie industry, as we know it.

    Good luck with your own version of this success story

    All success
    Dr.Mani

    P.S. - I heard about Belmont in Jeff Howe's CROWDSOURCING - nice book.
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    • Profile picture of the author vorales
      Well its good that youn have calm down and which gives you the opportunity to get the new thoughts come in to your mind.

      Million dollar business has taken a birth in your mind and you would be going to prove it and its been done.I would like to advice you to be FOCUS on what you do and make your dream come true.

      When you are doin the online theater i guess you just Plan Your Work and Than Work Your Plan.you might be facing a lot of competetion.but you got to take it and live your path to successs.


      All the best.and when you had done please post first movie on the forum so tht all the warriors also can see the movie.
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    • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
      Hi kory,

      You have a nice dream. In everything there's always two sides.

      In every reply there's always positive and negative.

      If you really, really, really want it soo bad that you could almost taste it you're in luck.

      Things happen in its time but nothing will happen if you don't move.

      Make your baby steps towards attaining your goal.

      I recommend these baby steps.

      1. Put up first a movie review site.

      Review as much movie as you can and ask for pictures and materials from studios for upcoming movies.

      Tell them its for your review site. This will enable you to gain contact with the studios. You don't have to immediately tell them that you want to show their movies in the net.

      2. Build traffic, soo much that your site won't be ignored.

      If you'll be able to build a very large traffic to the movie review site most probably studios will begin to consider your site as a great platform to advertise movies.

      3. Go in for the KILL

      here is where your dream will materialize. Once you are already rubbing elbows with the big guys because of your highly visited site, propose your ultimate dream "TO SHOW MOVIES IN THE INTERNET"

      Believe in your dreams, however big it is. We need dreamers like you.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Interesting idea, but here are some obstacles I can think of off the top of my head...



        Theaters will throw a fit. If it happens, I don't see the movies being released this way until AT LEAST 2-4 weeks after it premieres in theaters. Gotta keep your distribution channel happy.

        Why would a movie studio want to let you view a new release for the price of a single movie ticket when you're probably going to have some sort of "premiere party" with a few of your closest friends? Or at least watch it with your significant other, spouse & kids, etc. Souds like an easy recipe to cut your revenue by 50% or more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devan Koshal
    Great Concept

    Need to do alot of market research first and make sure you can get deals with major companies - fix legal issue illegal downloading of movies too - you'll need to invest in some programming language to fix this.

    You could offer your customers a yearly charge which can be your profit and a charge per movie which gets paid to the production company.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kory,

    That has SO many holes! Problems?

    1. CONTRACTS! Film companies would be shooting themselves in the foot. FORGET IT!
    2. BANDWIDTH! It would cost you a FORTUNE, if you could even do it!
    3. PROGRAMMING! You would need a GOOD buffering system(popular ones today STINK), and it would have to conform with DMCA requirements.
    4. SUPPORT! People are CERTAIN to have problems, in their view anyway.

    STEVE
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    If this were to happen, and that's a HUGE if; as many have already stated about how hyper sensitive the industry is being. You'd think they would have learned a lesson from the recording industry, but they didn't. I have a feeling that netflix and/or itunes would be the big players.

    You can already watch your rented movies on netflix. They have a HUGE customer base already. They really should start releasing the movie to DVD at the same time it hits theaters. Think of how many people would go see it at the theater be excited about it and then go to the store and buy it. I think if they would release it to itunes at the same time, they'd make a killing.

    I really don't think you'd be able to pull this off. Not trying to be a dream crusher, just the reality of the situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
    itunes rental store - hd rentals - apple tv.
    done.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Hillage
    It's a great "think big" idea but really unsure on the practical side. I personally go to the movies to get away from my pc - but maybe it's just me!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Remuzzi
      There is an important point here to consider with this idea, and more generally for any business idea and that is called "Adding Value".

      In order to get paid, or expect to get paid for something, you in turn need to provide some value in return for that payment.

      I don't see where in your idea you are adding value. Having the idea isn't valuable in itself, as many people have pointed out. And unfortunately for you, the people who do have value to add have already had this idea themselves- years ago. They are only waiting for the right combination of deals and partnerships and technology to come together to make this make financial sense.

      The only way you could cash in on this is either if you had some important piece of the puzzle that they couldn't do it without you (movie content rights, technology to allow high quality streaming even over slow connections, or millions of ready-to-pay-viewers you could deliver) or where trying to go around you would cost more than giving you a share of the revenue.

      In any business idea you come up with, the first question should be to to ask whether your idea is adding value to the process and what is reasonable compensation for that value. It is also a good idea to make sure that you aren't the only one to see the value- or else it probably doesn't exist!
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  • Profile picture of the author gipjo
    Obviously you have to team up with some big players. I think the technology exists already. I watched the movie "The Secret" first online (great technology, you cannot copy and can watch it only once) before buying the DVD. And it's true that "The Secret" is not a fiction nor a Hollywood production and was released only on DVD (and online). There is a segment in the industry that will find your idea good, I am sure.
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  • I built a ten-seat movie theater in my house with an 8-foot screen (and a full snack bar with real movie theater popcorn machine and such in the theater lobby) just so I never, ever have to go to a movie theater again.

    Commercial movie theaters SUCK, with a few (pricey) exceptions.
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  • Well, I look at it this way.

    Assuming you got it all set up and running, had the right connections, got it popular, what would happen?

    Attendance at local theaters would certainly drop, and I'd imagine they make more from the concession stand than ticket sales. You'd probably have to have a ton of ads running before the movies, just at like the real thing.

    What I'm about to say is true of most things business related. To really stand away, you need to have a USP.

    A USP is a unique selling proposition, something makes you different than everyone else. Domino's had "to your door in thirty minutes or its free", Staples was one of the first business to business stores that the average consumer could use.

    But, even we as people need USPs and leverage to get started.

    What could you contribute to this idea, that someone like me couldn't? Do you have movie and access connections? Do you have a huge amount of capital to throw around?

    When you figure stuff like that out, you go from ideas and making some money, to brilliant and dirty stinking rich.
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