Not Trying to Be Offensive: Something To Consider Before Buying Your Next IM Info Product

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Hi Fellow Warriors,

I'm really not trying to be offensive to anyone, just plain me trying to share some insights after years of buying IM products. As we all know IM experts really do possess the skills to literally pull us into their sales funnels like magnet.

So before you start buying your next IM products there are something to remember:
  • most IM experts will never ever share with you the latest methods they are CURRENTLY using
  • don't get me wrong, the info they are sharing is definitely still useful, just that it's not the most up to date (quality enough as a product)
This is what I usually do to really get the most out of the whole transaction:
  • observe their whole process of selling you
  • from which channel did they used to reach out to you
  • to what they use as freebie to attract you
  • the level of content they share with you
  • to the kind of testimonials they use to form credibility
  • to the emotional buttons they press throughout the launch
  • to the ONE thing that attracted you to click the Add To Cart button
  • to the up sell they are using - what price points, what format
  • to the delivery of the product
  • to the backend products
Take serious notes when you go through each and every stage of the sales process and you'll understand what the pros are really doing right now.

Just my 2 cents. If I did offend anyone, I do want to apologize because as the matter of fact, this has been in my mind for quite sometime, and I really couldn't control anymore.

Regards,
Darren
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    I agree with you

    You need to take as much from what they're doing
    and put it into different niches. Simple as that I think!

    So many profitable niches out there that will increase
    in profitability over the next few months/years because
    of increasing Internet usage and online payments
    becoming more of a 'norm'.

    Get into a niche and make your mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Darren Tan
      Totally agree Steve, that's even more so in Asia itself especially Taiwan and China, the stats are fantastic plus the pie is so huge.

      Originally Posted by Steve Ranger View Post

      I agree with you

      You need to take as much from what they're doing
      and put it into different niches. Simple as that I think!

      So many profitable niches out there that will increase
      in profitability over the next few months/years because
      of increasing Internet usage and online payments
      becoming more of a 'norm'.

      Get into a niche and make your mark
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Hi Darren,

    I agree, it's a good idea to watch what the "top dogs" are doing with their sales funnels, marketing pieces, etc.

    However, a word of warning for beginners...

    Don't assume that everything they do will work for you. Or, for that matter, don't assume that any of these tactics will work at all.

    That's because the savvy marketers are constantly testing stuff. You might run into something unusual -- such as a unique upsell technique -- and swipe it to start using it for yourself. It might bomb.

    Indeed, it might be bombing for the expert too. And what s/he's really doing is just running some tests.

    Point is, don't just blindly grab a tactic. Test it.

    Cheers,
    Becky

    Note: Darren, I'm not suggesting that you personally are grabbing tactics blindly using them. I just wanted to make a note for beginning marketers who assume you should watch what the experts are doing and then just do the exact same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darren Tan
      No worries Becky, and frankly thanks for reminding, I can't believe I actually missed that point (sorry warriors) probably because testing is already a must do process.

      Yes, Becky is right, no matter what marketing methods you'll be implementing always test small before rolling out huge.

      Regards,
      Darren

      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Hi Darren,

      I agree, it's a good idea to watch what the "top dogs" are doing with their sales funnels, marketing pieces, etc.

      However, a word of warning for beginners...

      Don't assume that everything they do will work for you. Or, for that matter, don't assume that any of these tactics will work at all.

      That's because the savvy marketers are constantly testing stuff. You might run into something unusual -- such as a unique upsell technique -- and swipe it to start using it for yourself. It might bomb.

      Indeed, it might be bombing for the expert too. And what s/he's really doing is just running some tests.

      Point is, don't just blindly grab a tactic. Test it.

      Cheers,
      Becky

      Note: Darren, I'm not suggesting that you personally are grabbing tactics blindly using them. I just wanted to make a note for beginning marketers who assume you should watch what the experts are doing and then just do the exact same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Darren, I'm glad you said most and not all. I actually have always been on
      the cutting edge of finding something new and letting others know about it.
      That doesn't mean I pull my old products off the market, no, of course not.
      As long as the methods are still viable, even if they're not new, no reason
      to stop selling them.

      Anyway, I agree. You have to be very careful when buying anything. There
      are so many things to take into account, not the least of which is the
      reputation of the seller.

      When I consider buying something, know what one of the first things are
      that I do?

      I go to Google and look up the person's name to see how many complaints
      there have been about their products.

      Unfortunately, if people like your stuff, most say nothing. However, if
      they DON'T like it...trust me...they let the whole world know.

      This is a HUGE determining factor for me buying anything and I feel it is
      something that EVERYBODY should do.

      Yes, it does take some time to do the research, but it can save you a lot
      of grief in the long run especially when you read things like...

      "Got so and so product and it was nothing but the same rehashed crap."

      If I see 20 of those around the Internet, or worse, I stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flyingpig7
    Nope I'm not offended, Darren that is a very good perspective to look at sales process.
    Unfortunately I found out the hard way, now I'll not read an ebook/video etc... that is not current (2009/2010). [Yeah I know I'm sad I read things that were dated 2005] Also I will not read or take on board anything that is not dated at all, something that annoys me that some ebook writers do.

    Also I get your point the sellers are probably not even sharing their latest techniques with you, just what worked for them in the recent past. It sounds like you'l go far watching and learning exactly what they are doing.

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    • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
      Very good points on this thread. I have been selling Internet Marketing Education since 2007.
      I have bought several of these training programs as well. It's all about learning Internet Marketing at an expert level.

      There will be a huge amount of people and retail businesses looking to learn Internet Marketing in the next 2 to 5 years or longer. I personally feel this is the best "niche" out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darren Tan
      Yes Steven, it can't be all especially with quality warriors like you in the forum.

      For people who still don't know who Steven Wagenheim is, I suggest you go over to his profile Steven Wagenheim and read through all his posts.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Darren, I'm glad you said most and not all. I actually have always been on
      the cutting edge of finding something new and letting others know about it.
      That doesn't mean I pull my old products off the market, no, of course not.
      As long as the methods are still viable, even if they're not new, no reason
      to stop selling them.

      Anyway, I agree. You have to be very careful when buying anything. There
      are so many things to take into account, not the least of which is the
      reputation of the seller.

      When I consider buying something, know what one of the first things are
      that I do?

      I go to Google and look up the person's name to see how many complaints
      there have been about their products.

      Unfortunately, if people like your stuff, most say nothing. However, if
      they DON'T like it...trust me...they let the whole world know.

      This is a HUGE determining factor for me buying anything and I feel it is
      something that EVERYBODY should do.

      Yes, it does take some time to do the research, but it can save you a lot
      of grief in the long run especially when you read things like...

      "Got so and so product and it was nothing but the same rehashed crap."

      If I see 20 of those around the Internet, or worse, I stay away.
      Many thanks Keren, I definitely can understand, worst of all they are people really selling rehashed crap (quoted by Steven) crap just to make a few bucks.

      Originally Posted by Flyingpig7 View Post

      Nope I'm not offended, Darren that is a very good perspective to look at sales process.
      Unfortunately I found out the hard way, now I'll not read an ebook/video etc... that is not current (2009/2010). [Yeah I know I'm sad I read things that were dated 2005] Also I will not read or take on board anything that is not dated at all, something that annoys me that some ebook writers do.

      Also I get your point the sellers are probably not even sharing their latest techniques with you, just what worked for them in the recent past. It sounds like you'l go far watching and learning exactly what they are doing.

      Keren
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Watching someones else's sales tactics and noting how they affect your buying decision is always a good strategy, in fact I do it all the time with both online and offline marketing.

    - I watch how the big retailers like Walmart and Ikea market their products, and which of their strategies cause me to make a purchase.

    - I make note of the buying experience I have every time I make a purchase, even if it is just a 2 dollar item at a convenience store. How did I feel after parting with my money, would I buy something from them again? Silly as it might sound it makes sense to me - after all I could have bought the same product at the same price form hundreds of stores, why did I buy from them and would I do it again?

    - There are some great examples of branding in the "brick and mortar" world. What makes people buy iPods when there are better quality MP3 players that are priced lower?

    - And of course online - whose sales letters get me to click, who has offers that make me hit the buy button, which WSO's do I eagerly purchase as soon as they are released?

    I think a good marketer needs to analysis every sales and marketing transaction they see and learn from it. And as Becky has pointed out, don't assume that every one of them is necessarily a good tactic - even Walmart makes marketing mistakes! But in the long run they have more hits than misses - after all they didn't get to be the biggest company in the world by accident.

    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    Great thread

    I agree with you on this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Wood
    Hi Darren, I agree with the points you are making - many Internet Marketeers do not share the very latest techniques (although some do!). But in my experience the real problem with absolute newbies is that they read the info and then ignore great chunks of it. They then try their version of what they have read for a week or two and then give up.

    It's a bit like going to the gym for a week and complaining that you dont have a body like Arnie!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I go to Google and look up the person's name to see how many complaints there have been about their products.
      ... and hope there's not someone else out there using the same name who's being widely accused of scamming people.

      One of the hazards of having a name that's a bit more common than Wagenheim.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        ... and hope there's not someone else out there using the same name who's being widely accused of scamming people.

        One of the hazards of having a name that's a bit more common than Wagenheim.


        Paul
        Yes, that is true. It's not foolproof.

        Not many things in life are.
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      • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
        Like Steven Wagenheim I also have a surname-not to mention the given name-that is relatively uncommon, at least in marketing circles.

        Therefore I don't have to use Elmer Edward William Hurlstone to differentiate myself.

        For those with less unique names desiring to use their real name for marketing consider using your middle name, or if you go by your middle name, appending your first initial to your name to make it stand out from the crowd.

        If you've been trading for years with only two names, à la Paul Myers, and someone else, with the same name, comes along and sullies your name additional branding may help.

        Here are a couple examples: Paul "Mortimer" Myers or Paul Myers "The Original Old Guy".

        Just a thought or two...

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        ... and hope there's not someone else out there using the same name who's being widely accused of scamming people.

        One of the hazards of having a name that's a bit more common than Wagenheim.

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Elmer,

          There's something... unique... about the name Eew Hurlstone, to be sure.

          Perhaps I should use the name Paul Myers Zr?


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