Refunds are one thing but ...

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I had a customer purchase a product only to submit
a refund ticket time stamped 2 minutes later.

This product included some large video files, he must
of been filling out the ticket as the product was being
downloaded.

His reason was -

"I was not satisfied with the product. Product did not
meet expectations."

I wonder what he was expecting?

His expectations obviously had nothing to do with the
content of the product itself as he made his decision
before he even got to that part.

All the part of this digital biz I guess.
#refunds #thing
  • Profile picture of the author brettmwindmann
    Originally Posted by Trader54 View Post

    I had a customer purchase a product only to submit
    a refund ticket time stamped 2 minutes later.

    This product included some large video files, he must
    of been filling out the ticket as the product was being
    downloaded.

    His reason was -

    "I was not satisfied with the product. Product did not
    meet expectations."

    I wonder what he was expecting?

    His expectations obviously had nothing to do with the
    content of the product itself as he made his decision
    before he even got to that part.

    All the part of this digital biz I guess.
    Yea, not much you can say to that, other than to call him/her out on it. Ask why they requested a refund just minutes after downloading. Would be interesting to see his/her response.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by brettmwindmann View Post

      Yea, not much you can say to that, other than to call him/her out on it. Ask why they requested a refund just minutes after downloading. Would be interesting to see his/her response.
      Probably won't respond. I had a person do something similar just the other day and I sent off a note, asking what was up. No response, of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Don't chew my head off here but I was wondering. Does clickbank want you to report such things as this to them? I know they say the remove accounts which do this excessive figure this guy must be doing it alot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trader54
      Originally Posted by SeanSupplee View Post

      Don't chew my head off here but I was wondering. Does clickbank want you to report such things as this to them? I know they say the remove accounts which do this excessive figure this guy must be doing it alot.
      Who said anything about Clickbank???

      Yeah your right. I was wondering the same thing.

      I would like to know if I should report this to them or just
      let it ride. I been with them for about 6 years so the
      refund thing is all a part of doing business.

      And it beats getting a chargeback.

      But I was wondering if they care or is there really anything they
      can do about it. Then why waste my time or theirs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tools For IM
    Yeah, the most important thing to remember is that if your offering truly possesses value, you'll always gain way more by offering some form of risk reversal than if you simply left it out of the sales process.

    I have a friend who owns a brick and mortar retail operation and he's had people purchase, step outside and come in minutes later with the product now broken, asking for refunds because they weren't happy with it, or some other bogus reasoning.

    You can never account for the crazies out there! Keep offering true value and you'll always win out.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOExpert104
    Just time wasters..... I hate them, they buy and then ask for refund even though the product may be useful for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    To me it sounds like your customer may well be a serial refunder and just wanted to steal your product. I find it ironic the number of people who think nothing of stealing an online product, but would never walk into a brick and mortar business and shop lift/steal a product.

    But then again buyer remorse may have set in, right after pushing the purchase button. That happens to me. The sales page hit the emotional hot buttons and bingo! Purchase made. And I have asked for a refund, but when I do I make sure to delete the product from my hard drive. To me that is the only fair and honorable thing to do.

    Another reason of course is the spouse walked in and slapped him up behind the head and told him to get a refund; if he wanted the benefits of the marriage bed.

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    • Profile picture of the author thedogtreatjar
      I definitely think you should report it. What they do with your report is up to them. That person might have done it to fifty other marketers without a peep because they didn't think they should say anything ;(

      On the bright side..unlike a brick and mortar store your item is not limited. You still have just as much of it as you did before he basically stole it...He wouldn't have bought it in the first place and now maybe your name will get out there in some cosmic irony
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  • Profile picture of the author ArnelRicafranca
    It is part of doing business. It happens to all of us.
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  • Profile picture of the author kay12345
    busniess involve profit and losses which is inevitable

    especially for info product business

    so we whould focus on how to maximize profit and forget those losers
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Powers
    I doubt whether the guy want to enjoy the service sincerely.Or he will not refund in such a short time.To my luck,it hasn't happened on our business.Maybe it's just small probability event,and you don't know when you can encounter it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I wonder what he was expecting?
      He was expecting to get it free...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    That's the advantage of having your own merchant account. If you identify a serial refunder you can add them to your black list and not let them purchase any of your other products.
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  • Profile picture of the author .X.
    In all likelihood this *is* a bad apple.

    However, I recently purchased a WSO and
    it made some promises that sounded
    enticing - so I bought it.

    Within 10 minutes I'd downloaded the
    product, realized it wasn't what was
    suggested in the sales letter - had no
    specific design for Internet marketers -
    and does a fraction of what Mind Manager
    does.

    I requested a refund.

    The product owner threw 10 kinds of a
    tizzy fit, called me a scammer, etc, etc.

    I'll throw darts at his face before I'd
    consider doing business with him EVER
    again.

    So on occasion people really do buy
    things that aren't what they thought
    they were buying - and if you're going
    to offer a guarantee then you can't
    selectively get pissed off when someone
    actually asks for their money back.

    There are always exceptions and for me
    this experience was a lesson learned as
    a merchant - sometimes people do buy
    things and realize it's really not what
    they need.

    All that aside, doing business online is
    a great thing - and it comes with it's
    fair share of bottom-of-the-barrell
    douche bages living in Mom's and Dad's
    basement expecting the world to throw
    them a bone.

    Get it - their life sucks. They're a part
    of the 20% who cause 80% of the
    problems. Cut them lose - put it out of
    your head.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    If you use DLGuard for your downloads you can ban him from ever purchasing from you again. It's pretty obvious he's nothing but a thief, but banning him prevents him from being a serial thief ... at least of your products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trader54
    On the download page I have a double opt-in to receive product updates.

    After all that he signed up and confirmed to receive any new updates. So
    maybe it wasn't the product that didn't meet his expectations but something
    else.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Devil's advocate.... Did you promise a secret or something that wasn't met? Was it COMMON info?(so it was info he already knew) Was it a PLR product?(So he didn't know he already had it) Did you change its name?(So he didn't know he already had it) All these things are common and could be VERY valid reasons to refund within 2 minutes. I haven't done that yet but BELIEVE ME, I HAVE WANTED TO!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Trader54
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Devil's advocate.... Did you promise a secret or something that wasn't met? Was it COMMON info?(so it was info he already knew) Was it a PLR product?(So he didn't know he already had it) Did you change its name?(So he didn't know he already had it) All these things are common and could be VERY valid reasons to refund within 2 minutes. I haven't done that yet but BELIEVE ME, I HAVE WANTED TO!

      Steve
      This is totally unique info. Over 2 hours or more of video. I think he would have
      been lucky to even download everything in 2 minutes.
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