How to find a coach?

by Lionel Turner 19 replies
I have been bumping around for the past couple months doing SEO marketing and I just can't seem to get it. Product launches come out and there seems to be no way to compete with others who are way ahead of me. I got a couple products #1 on google but I am sure they are the wrong products. I really want to make this work but I am not sure which direction to go in. I have read about how others found somone to coach them a bit. How do you go about doing that?
Thank you in advance,
Lionel Turner
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  • Profile picture of the author Gravitehx
    One way would be to pay $997 a month to some guru

    You say that you have some SEO skills and you know computers and Internet. If you don't have the money to pay for teaching then you could find someone to offer your services and working hours for free and in return they can coach you. It would be like an intern position, you do the work and give value to someone skilled and you learn at the same time as they tell you what to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      Hi Lional, it sounds like you may have a few challenges - one may be that the product you have chosen (or is it one you have developed?) may not be targeted properly (title may not be the best, positioning at a specific desire or outcome may be off, etc...).

      There could also be issues with the keywords you are targeting and/or the landing pages where people arrive after you have pulled them in with SEO or ads or whatever other traffic generation methods you have used.

      Finally, are you list-building as part of your ongoing growth, or are you relying on a one-time event from a visitor who comes in through your SEO campaign?

      The more specific you can be about what and how you have been marketing, the more specific free help you will get online.

      Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    Decide your niche, find which warrior is the authority of the niche. Approach him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
    Hi Lionel,

    reading your post I get the impression you need to identify the problem first. You're mixing several unrelated things which always makes it hard to come to a solution.

    Having a coach who goes through these topics with you actually could help a lot.

    I know many people look for cheap of free coaches or mentors, especially in forums. I recommend not to go that route.

    While there are many high priced coaches who are not worth their money you should also be aware that a coach who does not charge average or higher coaching prices is very likely not to do a good job.

    After all his job is to get you to earn good money - if he doesn't even charge considerable income for himself, how good can he be at that?

    Finding the right coach takes time. Never pay high prices to coaches you have no experience with. Or rather: don't book anyone before you researched him.

    If it's someone who has info products make sure to buy some of those to get a good impression of what kind of person he is and how he teaches his stuff. If you're happy with someones info products and especially seminar recordings then you may also be happy with that person as a coach.

    That someone is very successfull or has a great reputation and tons of testimonials does not necessarily make him a good coach. Check his teachings and recordings first, then decide.

    Ralf
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I somewhat agree that paying a coach is not the right strategy. If they are so good at making money, why would they need to take money from you when their time would be more effective making money themselves?

    I think you just need to practice over time, and continue to revise your plans, while studying what others are doing and finding ways to improve on other people's plans.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      Coaching can be EXTREMELY valuable. I have paid 3 coaches over the last 5-years well over $10K and in each case, have received 10X that in value.

      In each case I received hands-on help that taught me a new way of thinking, a new way of proceeding, a new way of organizing that I honestly believe I would have NEVER received if I hadn't sought them out.

      Why do people making big money coach - good question, here are a few answers:

      1) Although they limit their coaching, many coach to stay in touch with their marketplace or to test new systems and training packages. For example, if I am in the business of helping business people succeed, I already have years of experience and tons to offer a new client, but I want to put together a new - even better - course, training program, manual, etc...what better way to test this, but through coaching. Keep in mind, this is not something that will fail, it will always return tremendous value to the client, but you can tweak it and make it even better based on coaching feedback

      2) Diversified income...I'm always a big fan of having income from multiple sources (my own products, advertising, affiliate products and yes, services)

      3) They do like to help. The fact is that coaching can be tremendously rewarding - sometimes more rewarding than selling a high quality package where you don't have that personal contact after the fact.

      It's silly to think that you shouldn't pay to learn - we all pay to get a basic education, we all tend to pay for higher education and in many cases, people pay for specialized information -as long as you know what you want in the end and select your coach wisely, it can be worth far more than your initial investment.

      Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author jhongren
      Hi Lionel,

      Looks like you are seeking some advice to help you move ahead.

      I know how it feels to be bumping around during our first few months and not making any money at all.

      It is time to get focused and ask yourself what do you really want.

      A coach at this time may or may not be useful.

      Why is it so?

      A coach is useful as he can customise your learning journey and cater to your interest, strengths and weakness. Yes, we being humans have weakness. But a coach can guide you to leverage on your strengths to progress ahead.

      I have been bumping around for the past couple months doing SEO marketing and I just can't seem to get it.
      SEO marketing covers a really wide field. My next question for you is what did you do exactly?

      Product launches come out and there seems to be no way to compete with others who are way ahead of me.
      Products cover a whole wide spectrum of possibilities. You can always go to niche markets to find out which one is:

      1. a thirsty market

      2. already spending money

      3. give you adequate profits.


      I got a couple products #1 on google but I am sure they are the wrong products.
      Again, how do you know if they are wrong products? How did you reach this conclusion this is a wrong product? I think this is a time when a coach can really come in and share with you what you did and discuss with you how you could have done better.

      I really want to make this work but I am not sure which direction to go in. I have read about how others found somone to coach them a bit. How do you go about doing that?
      There are many coaches here who you can learn from. They are Steven, Andy, Bev and many more.

      This Warrior Forum itself is a big coach if you want to start learning right now.

      Find the right coach who can fit you.

      How can you do that?

      Ask yourself if you are ready to learn...if you are ready to commit to your own success...are you ready to work hard and follow the coach's plan closely...

      Never judge a coach based on the price he charges. Some coaches are truly willing to help and they charge a lower price compared to others so that the beginners can have access to them.

      I have the privilege of being coached by great gurus. One thing I learnt is that your success is dependant on your attitude.

      A guru can teach you many things. And what matter most is how you apply what you have learnt.

      There are other coaches who charge alot but they over promise and under deliver.

      Always check out their credentials and what others say about them.

      A search for their names in Google and related forums is always a good start.

      In addition, the coaches have many projects going on...and as what @dvdual said, they are able to make more money using the same amount of time which they spent on coaching someone...so there is always a price to pay....

      The final question is are you willing to pay the price to be taught?

      Cheers,
      John
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      • Profile picture of the author Lionel Turner
        Thank you for all the replies. I have recently promoted Wordpress Codebreaker, Internet Wealth System, Google Payload, and this one called Big MMA Money just because I wanted to try something that I knew I can get on the first page of google. With WordPress Code Breaker, Internet Wealth System and Big MMA Money I got on the first page (#1 with WPCB, and the MMA one). I have been using Craig Beckta's Secrete Affiliate Code as the model that I have been following which is geared at getting free trafiic by getting on the first page of google.

        I know I need a niche because I feel like a fraud talking about making money online when I have not. But IM seems like it is the easiest one to get into (but the hardest to make money)

        One of my issues is when it comes to landing pages and HTML..computer stuff in general. I have learned alot of there past couple months but its still a learning process...a huge one.

        I get on the forms and read about how many diffrent ways people are making money so being a new guy its hard to pick just one because you don't know if its the right one for you. Right now I am trying to get a Home Improvement/ Cooking Blog started, direct it traffic to my site by articales and offer a free Home Improvement Ebook for free for them to opt in. Right now I think my confidence would be alot higher if I can get over alot of the technical aspect of manageing a blog or site and web pages.

        I'm trying
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        • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
          Hey man,

          No worries... You're doing great.

          And you're NOT a phoney if you're promoting IM products that someone else wrote... too many people worry what someone else is going to think.. who cares? (you'd be SHOCKED at how many "gurus" got started this way)

          Sell what is selling. and of course there are PLENTY of other niches that fit that bill.

          Nevertheless, you're home improvement/cooking plan sounds ok... In regards to the technical aspect; I know exactly how you feel. Things that are so common sense to me now (autoresponder, blogs...etc) used to be an utter mystery.

          Here's what I recommend: whenever you have a hurdle (i.e installing a wp blog) just make a post here and tell someone you'll pay em to do it for you... then just pay attention and ask them a couple of questions... you'd be surprised, most people will be happy to tell you MORE than you want to know if you just ask and listen. Knowing less can actually be a blessing in disguise if you learn to outsource properly...

          Where to find a coach? Depends on your budget; but here is a great place... just make sure whoever you hire can show you a system, step by step and isn't just going to teach you "general business and personal development knowledge" Those should be included as a bonus

          Good Luck
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        • Profile picture of the author jhongren
          I get on the forms and read about how many diffrent ways people are making money so being a new guy its hard to pick just one because you don't know if its the right one for you. Right now I am trying to get a Home Improvement/ Cooking Blog started, direct it traffic to my site by articales and offer a free Home Improvement Ebook for free for them to opt in.
          Hi, I think it is a good niche. Exactly what kind of cooking?

          Right now I think my confidence would be alot higher if I can get over alot of the technical aspect of manageing a blog or site and web pages.
          Managing the technical is easy as long as there is someone to guide you step-by-step....this forum is great to find coaches... =)

          John
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          • Profile picture of the author Lionel Turner
            Originally Posted by jhongren View Post

            Hi, I think it is a good niche. Exactly what kind of cooking?



            Managing the technical is easy as long as there is someone to guide you step-by-step....this forum is great to find coaches... =)

            John
            I think something to do with different ways to cook meat (not BBQ..maybe a few recipes) different flavors and styles but easy enough that anyone can do. Everything I cook has strong flavors..but really good. With an up sale for a side dish ebook that complements the meat of the same flavor or region.

            Thanks for all the replies everyone.
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            • Profile picture of the author jhongren
              Hi Lionel,

              In IM, there are a few common products like ebook, audio and video.

              For ebook, do a cookbook recipe

              For audio, you can narrate the step-by-step cooking guide. (I know how hard it is to be referring to a book and cooking at the same time.)

              For video, film yourself as the chef cooking.

              Different products can be lined up in different ways for downsell, cross-sell or upsell.

              You can consider JV with restaurants (online or offline) for coupons to be included in the recipes books...or maybe ingredient purchase is more appropriate in your case.

              My 2 cents,
              John
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              • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
                Originally Posted by jhongren View Post


                For audio, you can narrate the step-by-step cooking guide. (I know how hard it is to be referring to a book and cooking at the same time.)
                That brings up a good point - Don't just do what other IMers are doing. Sometimes it's not appropriate for your niche.

                Use your brain and think of what will be best rather than try to fit IM tactics into your offerings.

                Andy
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              • Profile picture of the author Lionel Turner
                Originally Posted by jhongren View Post

                Hi Lionel,

                In IM, there are a few common products like ebook, audio and video.

                For ebook, do a cookbook recipe

                For audio, you can narrate the step-by-step cooking guide. (I know how hard it is to be referring to a book and cooking at the same time.)

                For video, film yourself as the chef cooking.

                Different products can be lined up in different ways for downsell, cross-sell or upsell.

                You can consider JV with restaurants (online or offline) for coupons to be included in the recipes books...or maybe ingredient purchase is more appropriate in your case.

                My 2 cents,
                John
                This is the info that makes me feel like I need a coach . I barley know what to to with IM but when it comes to a niche I have no clue what the possibilities are. I need to do some serious research.
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                • Profile picture of the author jan roos
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                  Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I somewhat agree that paying a coach is not the right strategy. If they are so good at making money, why would they need to take money from you when their time would be more effective making money themselves?
      This is a common misconception about coaching and mentoring.

      I've been on the other side of this dilema.

      I coach and mentor people and I'm always being told to charge more or to stop helping people for free.

      I love helping people and I find it very fulfilling, but it takes my time and as you rightly said - I could be making money for myself in other ways more effectively, so it doesn't make financial sense to just go around spending time helping people for free.

      Over the years I've also found that when you help people for free, generally that acts as a subliminal signal that the advice and help isn't as valuable as when it is paid for. People really do take less action when given free advice.

      Sometimes I answer peoples questions in this forum and then see them asking another question about the same thing a month later which demonstrates that they never did the things I suggested the last time. I used to get coaching clients like that too. You work out a great plan with them and then they seem to find every excuse for why they haven't done it.

      When people don't have anything invested in a plan - they rarely follow it or give it the importance they claim it has.

      There are exceptions and I posted recently about a fellow warrior who took my advice and has now bought a house and got married because of the success he had, but it's unusual for people to actually take action fully when you help them for free.

      So - it's a double-edge sword.

      It's not in MY interest to help people for free, because there are people who will happily pay for my time and help AND do something about it.

      It's not in THEIR interest as they perceive free help to have less value and don't take action so readily.

      However - what I WILL do often is get someone with little or no money started for free so that they then can afford to pay for continued help. If they start making money and still don't want to pay - that's where I draw the line.

      So, it's a balancing act.

      For people like me that got into coaching because we love to help people - we want to helping everyone, but so many people want everything for nothing and won't actually take action that it becomes very difficult to justify working with people for free.

      Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    Hi Lionel,

    If you are really serious in taking actions, you can look for Andy. I have seen how he helped members and answered their questions. He is really good! =)

    Cheers,
    John
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