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MoaddinFM

16 years ago

Sorry for bitching.

But with this attitude you shouldn´t even begin.

If you want to make money, you have to work for it. IM is a business! Coming to a forum and requesting help within the first 3 posts just sucks. It says to me that you even didn´t look for answers you could seek.

So, if you are not willing to put time to learn, there is NO way you would succeed in anything in life, I guess. It´s just the mentality and mindset that is wrong with you guys ...

Ask you one question. What is so special about me, that I can just request help and everyone has to help me?

Sorry if I was rude or did piss anyone off... but dedication is the first thing you need and ...

I wish you all the best

Martin

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MoaddinFM

Sorry for bitching.

But with this attitude you shouldn´t even begin.

If you want to make money, you have to work for it. IM is a business! Coming to a forum and requesting help within the first 3 posts just sucks. It says to me that you even didn´t look for answers you could seek.

So, if you are not willing to put time to learn, there is NO way you would succeed in anything in life, I guess. It´s just the mentality and mindset that is wrong with you guys ...

Ask you one question. What is so special about me, that I can just request help and everyone has to help me?

Sorry if I was rude or did piss anyone off... but dedication is the first thing you need and ...

I wish you all the best

Martin

No offence taken, actually very good points, agree to all of this

But my point wasnt to get a personal baby sitter and feed me with money making internet sites

What i would need is someone that directs me in the right direction, just tell me what to learn/find out first and i will because believe me.....for a noob is very much information here and it can get really confusing

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Graham Maddison 16 years ago

go to renegade university .....basic steps there . free trial will help you get started

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16 years ago

The problem (I think anyway) with mentoring anyone would be the utter total commitment it would need. (From both parties).

Just as a matter of interest, what sort of monetry value would you put on something that is going to take a huge amount of someones time.

To be honest I'm with Martin

You get someone coming to the forum who in practically their first post bleats they want a mentor...

That's it...

No further info ....

Hang on a mo, I just got knocked over in the rush to oblige them (for gawds sake)

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MoaddinFM

16 years ago

well, I know it is difficult and IM is such a diverse field, that noone can mentor you all. It´s just their way they understand IM.

Another thing is, if you have money you can afford to invest or you have to do it all alone from scratch with 0!

Then, I guess, affiliate marketing would be the best and let´s do some common sense.

If you read John Taylors´s ( in fact: I recommend all his posts

) post about the big numbers game at http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...bers-game.html, you wuold notice one thing:

If every visitor to my site is worth $1 in average, what should be my goal? Of course, attract as many visitors as possible

And there would be alot of advice here in the forum about this topic.

Don´t have a site?

Build one!

What should I feed the site with?

Unique top notch content related articles, so your visitors trust you and you can "sell" them your products.

So, if you wanna follow my advice:

Make a todo list about the things I mentionned above. Be hungry and get all that information you need to setup those things. Then work on traffic and then let´s speak again.

My best wishes,
Martin

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Kay King 16 years ago

Let me give you your first piece of advice.

If you want to believable, add your name (real name), and your country of residence, to your profile.

Spend some HOURS reading, focusing on threads/posts that are clearly aimed at new marketers. You can also visit the old forum and read posts (thousands of them) there. I think the link is

The Warrior Forum - Active Topics

Start to learn the basics by reading the forum and searching with google to find terms you don't understand. Building a site, starting a blog, getting a domain, writing articles and site content, affiliate marketing - all of those have literally tons of free info available to learn from. Avoid sales pages - just look for tutorials.

When you ask for help, don't just beg "help me". Give some idea of who you are, what you've done so far, what you know and what you don't.

Once you start to do something on your own you are more likely to find those willing to advise you.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MoaddinFM

I know it is difficult and IM is such a diverse field, that noone can mentor you all. It´s just their way they understand IM.

Martin

I was going to keep quiet, but that's the worst piece of advice I've seen to such a question.

It's exactly the opposite!

The fact is - IM IS a very diverse field, but that's the very reason why having someone work out what type of approach will be more effective for you is a great idea.

Do you think it's co-incidence that most people who try and learn everything from the forums usually spend more money than they make?

There's a reason that so many people in forums are promoting signature files and repeating the same information that's already everywhere - They're not making money and they're desperately clutching at straws because they're confused by the shear amount of conflicting information about what works.

The truth is - most things work and you can make money in most niches - However, not every niche, or every method is right for every person.

So coming to the forum and reading what everyone else is saying and building your picture of the world on that is likely to result in your becoming just another one of the unsuccessful masses.

It's not impossible that by pure hard work and a bit of luck you could be different and get great results, but it's not normal.

Anyone coming to the forum and asking how to start will get advised to do the same crap that everyone else is doing - that's NOT the way to start a successful business. In fact, if you did the opposite of what most people are doing you're probably more likely to succeed.

So, as you can probably guess I don't think that having someone get help from a person who is able to put into context their skills, preferences and assets and point them in a direction that is more likely to be effective than if they just read what everyone in a forum said - is bound to help them.

The only way I can see that it wouldn't be useful is if they're getting help from someone who doesn't actually have the correct perspective and is just regurgitating existing information and not tayloring things for that person.

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Franck Silvestre

15 years ago

Now, this is an advice.

If I was you, I'd print this and re-read it once per month. This is like gold.

Franck

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I was going to keep quiet, but that's the worst piece of advice I've seen to such a question.

It's exactly the opposite!

The fact is - IM IS a very diverse field, but that's the very reason why having someone work out what type of approach will be more effective for you is a great idea.

Do you think it's co-incidence that most people who try and learn everything from the forums usually spend more money than they make?

There's a reason that so many people in forums are promoting signature files and repeating the same information that's already everywhere - They're not making money and they're desperately clutching at straws because they're confused by the shear amount of conflicting information about what works.

The truth is - most things work and you can make money in most niches - However, not every niche, or every method is right for every person.

So coming to the forum and reading what everyone else is saying and building your picture of the world on that is likely to result in your becoming just another one of the unsuccessful masses.

It's not impossible that by pure hard work and a bit of luck you could be different and get great results, but it's not normal.

Anyone coming to the forum and asking how to start will get advised to do the same crap that everyone else is doing - that's NOT the way to start a successful business. In fact, if you did the opposite of what most people are doing you're probably more likely to succeed.

So, as you can probably guess I don't think that having someone get help from a person who is able to put into context their skills, preferences and assets and point them in a direction that is more likely to be effective than if they just read what everyone in a forum said - is bound to help them.

The only way I can see that it wouldn't be useful is if they're getting help from someone who doesn't actually have the correct perspective and is just regurgitating existing information and not tayloring things for that person.

/rant

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Steven W Johnson 15 years ago

Most people who SAY they need or want a mentor, are really saying that they want to INTERN at the foot of someone who has been there, done that, and is willing to teach them (preferably for FREE! of course). What most probies (sorry, gotta get my fav NCIS term in here) don't realize is how EXPENSIVE and VALUABLE the time of a really successful marketer is. If they did, they probably wouldn't be a probie for very long and would stop making silly requests for mentoring. (oh, and I do so LOVE my interns)

Thank GAWD for interns!
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pwebbiz

16 years ago

I'm pretty sure you don't need a mentor to succeed. Just read the forum to get ideas about businesses you can start online and post a thread asking for help as needed.

If you want a little more personal advice - once you find a business model in IM that you like buy a WSO on the topic, as these will often go in depth and take you step by step through the process. What makes buying a wso so great is that if you don't understand a step you can easily contact the author and get a personal response about how to proceed every time.

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bizlady08

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pwebbiz

I'm pretty sure you don't need a mentor to succeed. Just read the forum to get ideas about businesses you can start online and post a thread asking for help as needed.

If you want a little more personal advice - once you find a business model in IM that you like buy a WSO on the topic, as these will often go in depth and take you step by step through the process. What makes buying a wso so great is that if you don't understand a step you can easily contact the author and get a personal response about how to proceed every time.

What's a WSO? Newbies might not be familiar with the acronym

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16 years ago

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andrew_writes 16 years ago

I honestly want to help point you in the right direction but you did not contact me. No prob.

I can see the point in all of the replies but since you are a newbie you may not. All of us, successful or not, have worked hard to learn what we have learned and most don't want to give it away, plus it makes you seem a little lazy.

Myself, I understand where you are coming from, IM is a very big field and a serious industry.

The main thing you need to get started is education.

First you need self education so you can decide what type of business you want to start.
Next you need to educate yourself on what tools you will need to build that business, this includes research into your business idea.
After that you need to plan and backup plan but don't take a year to do it, you have to get started.
Following that, you really need to understand that no matter what seems to work, it may not work for you. It will take a lot of trial and error to build a business. Earning money online and building a business are not the same thing.

This is not all inclusive but just a start.

You also need to understand how the net works. (content is still king and always will be)
How your customers think in an online world
You need to understand seo, sem, organic traffic, on page and off page variable...the list goes on.

On top of all that, if you are new and don't have much money, you will have to do thinks like create webpages yourself and not with a web editor (how would you fix problems?) as well as ftp, chmodd, cron job, boy it's a lot.

Okay, back to earth!

The first thing I would suggest is to read what interest you in this forum to get some ideas.
Then research your ideas and narrow them down to what works for you.

I agree, a mentor is a good thing, I have one myself. Why make dumb mistakes when you can learn from those who have already made them for you. On the other hand, if you don't learn the lesson then it's just a waste of time.

Starting an internet business is really truly simple once you understand the concept. The application of this concept is another beast all together.

1. You put up a site.
2. You drive targeted traffic to the site.
3. You presell the visitors who are most likely looking for what you have, hence targeted traffic.
4. You capture the visitors info like name and email.
5. You present them with THE OFFER and others in your own time while building a relationship of trust.
6. You keep selling to the buyers by creating what they want, how do you know what they want, ask them!
7. You learn and keep learning and become the go to guy or gal in your niche.
8. You grow your business step by step:
A. Mini Content sites
B. Mini Content site networks
C. Mother sites
D. Affiliate sites
E. Membership sites

And the coup de grace - Coaching with you, which is the ultimate product once you become a master of your little area of the net (never become a guru).

It is a lot to learn but fortunately you can practice for free with free blogs, hosting, websites, affiliate programs ad infinitum.

In a hurry to make some money? Sorry too bad! An overnight success is just for one night and you want to build a business.

Think about it and get back to me (I am not charging only networking).
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EmailMaverick 16 years ago

The value of having a real mentor is that your duplicating their system, that's
already a proven money maker. Versus reading posts, ebooks, courses, etc...
which can only guide you and hopefully no key information was omitted. All of
which will not guarantee you that you will be successful.

The only problem I see is, who is going to really do such for free? I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do it even if someone offered me $100K. Probably take at least
$1MM to get me to do it. But then again, I've never understood the concept
of selling your secrets(system) for making money online. Now I can totally
see giving advice to someone, but just not handing your system over.
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Martha Richardson

16 years ago

One thing we have to remember is that a newbie asking for a mentor does not only not know how to succeed at Internet marketing, but they likely also do not know the best way to ask for the help.

Chewing someone out because they didn't do it "right" is not as helpful as a different approach would be, nor does it make the Warrior Forum appear to be a friendly place where a newbie would want to become a part of the community.

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Lou Diamond

16 years ago

Hello,
this is a great thread,I would love to have a mentor as well.
As you can see I am a long time member here.
I have a few premium domain names that are just sitting
gathering dust.
My problem is that I am trying to reach perfection and I
am not able to do it by myself.
I need a mentor that has a strong boot that can kick
me where the sun don't shine.
The thing that hurts me most about this forum is
reading where people have made some nice money
in a short period of time.
I know it is not true,it does take time and being dedicated to it is the most
important part.

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Keith Boisvert

16 years ago

I remember posing the same question about a year and a half ago. I pretty much got the same replies, and I actually had some members toss me their latest products for free...

Did it work? Nope.

I putzed around with various things looking for that one thing that I could make work, when I ended up walking away for bit.

When I cam back, I asked the question again, but in a different way. I outlined some of the things I tried, and what I thought my interest were.

I then proceeded to spend 2 hours on a skype call one Saturday afternoon with a UK warrior here that got me going in the right direction. We really figured out what my passions were, what my talents were, what I really WANTED to do, and then he sent me on my way.

That 2 hour FREE conversation changed my entire perspective on IM. Since that day I have continued to better myself and my business(along with my income) from the IM market.

The great thing was..I already had the answers, I just needed someone to put them in perspective for me. Of course I did the work, but in relation to finding WHAT was going to work for me, that was the hard part, not the work itself.

So I will never begrudge anyone here who asks for help. However, I would hope that those asking for help can at least be honest with themselves on their abilities, passions, and general interests and be able to convey them so others may be able to help.

I am sure 95% of the people that ask probably will never put forth the work to be successful. But man, that 5% that do would certainly make you feel good wouldn't it? Knowing you helped someone else become successful or at least put them on a path to success? To me that's worth it.

~Keith

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Stu784

15 years ago

The great thing was..I already had the answers, I just needed someone to put them in perspective for me. Of course I did the work, but in relation to finding WHAT was going to work for me, that was the hard part, not the work itself.

I feel this is where I am now.

I've been researching the net, listening to audios, webinars etc collecting, the products and tools and learning how to use them. I've tried a couple of sales pages but not had the results I thought I would... A few sign ups and 1 sale.

I need some direction but everyone wants $100's of $1000's to do so.

Did you record the 2 hour phone call?

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Kim Standerline 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Lou Diamond

My problem is that I am trying to reach perfection and I
am not able to do it by myself.

There lies the problem

Why on earth are you striving for perfection, if that's what your'e reaching for, you'll never get anywhere

Here's a piece of advice (for what its worth)...

Throw a website up, it doesn't matter how horrendous it is to start off with, just get it up there. The feeling of acomplishment you'll get from that is amazing. If you wait until it's perfect, you'll be waiting for ever.

Once it's up, start polishing it, make it look good. practice with it

Also get a decent editor and get some decent hosting

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- Paul Buckley 16 years ago
  
  Just reading through the posts in this thread, I've noticed a lot of signature links, including mine, offering what amounts to mentoring for newbies at bargain prices. Pick a link and click it.
  
  Otherwise, just pull up a chair and browse the forums. It's all in here and it's free. Or you can click a link, spend a little money and have it spoon fed to you...or you can hire a mentor, for big bucks, and get your hand held too.
  
  You have three choices for your internet marketing education:
  
  1)You can have it fast and good (a mentor) but it won't be cheap.
  
  2)You can have it good and cheap (click a link or just read forums) but it won't be fast. You're going to have to invest some time.
  
  3)You can have it fast and cheap (pick a get-rich-quick-scheme) but it won't be good...in fact it probably won't be cheap in the long run...Come to think of it, it won't be fast either since it'll just sidetrack you from your real education.
  
  You know what? I think you'd better just forget about nmber 3
  
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andrew_writes

16 years ago

I've got a 3 or 4 hundred ebooks you can pretty much have if that will help you but I'm not looking to partner up, I am already running about 21 sites, granted, many are content or affiliate sites but I'm willing to help you stock up.

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16 years ago

Ok

I read all the replys and i dont blaim you at all

I have been participating for 6-7 years in a real cash economy game.

In that game forum i have also seen 15 year old kids create threads named "-how to get rich here?"

And the responses was the same as here, and i really understand you so no hard feelings at all. We had also kids comming to us thinking they could with no what so ever effort or knowledge get rich and they dissapeard really quick, i guess here too.

My problem here is when you say to me to watch others peoples sigi links and join them and learn form them.

Well, i dont want to offend anyones sigi link here but seriously!
They all look the same, fell free to call me dumb i wont argue against it but, if you seen a few sigi links here you have seen them all

I mean, are you surprised that we noobs get suspicious when every link is about getting ultimate profiting advice and a paypal link?

About mentoring:

I have no idea what the thread starter meant, i would guess its the same as i experienced in my real cash economy game with the 15 year olds but im not here to judge.

what i mean with a mentor is what someone allready mentioned here
help to get on the right track, for sure a mentor will see my misstates faster then me, discover something i wont see

besides its lot easier to get order from one person that tells you to do some tasks then go through thousands of threads, threads and information that im atm to low experienced to judge witch are important and witch are not

So no people, i dont want to steal your source code to wealth, just a smash in the face to see the right direction, thats all

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Steve Steinitz

16 years ago

Hello,

Buddhist proverb "When the student is ready, the master appears."

I'm ready for my mentor to appear. After 18 months of study, setting up a dozen sites, writing an ebook, a software product, learning dreamweaver, php, css, seo, ppc, security etc with small successes, many failures and deathly silence, I feel that a logical next step would be an interested mentor.

A certain guru's company's offer of 5 half-hour sessions for $3000 wasn't so attractive. But that's just me.

Peace,

Steve

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muzammal 16 years ago

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by steinitz

A certain guru's company's offer of 5 half-hour sessions for $3000 wasn't so attractive. But that's just me.

Peace,

Steve

Hi Steve,

That's an interesting comment.

Since YOU are the only one who really understands what the possible impact of the success you're aiming at is - your comments seem to indicate that you don't think your business could be made very successful - even with 5 sessions working with a 'Guru'.

So, either you don't think what's on offer is actually high quality - or you don't put much value on your own business.

When I went on a coaching course, we were all asked how much we would charge for our time/service. My figure was way higher than anyone elses - but we were then told that the amount you charge is a reflection of what you believe the value is.

So, whoever is asking for $3k for 5 sessions must believe that they're worth it.

If they are way over-priced compared to what they deliver, they won't be able to sustain the business easily as word will spread.

However, if the people coming to them have successful businesses and are getting a new perspective and easily adding $10k to their bottom line, then it's a complete no brainer.

So this opens up the issue of - who gets what value from this type of arrangement.

If you are a struggling beginner it may be that what you really need is a bog picture perspective about why you're starting and what resources you have at your disposal (including your motivation and preferences, not just skills and money)

If you're already successful, time-management and accountability might be where you'll get the most benefit.

You get the idea.

So, depending on where you are in your journey and what your mindset and resources are - maybe an expensive coach/mentor is not right for you - or alternatively what will make all the difference is just someone bringing you out of the details and reminding you what it was that you were trying to achieve and why.

For many people in IM the problem is that they've been drawn into an IM details world, where they're constantly thinking about lists, blogs, ppc, PLR etc... when actually they could start a successful business from scratch if they just stepped back and looked at what value they have and who they could offer it to.

Many IMers are doing things with no idea about what the results will be - That's madness in any business, but if your IM business is based on not expecting great results, then spending money and time on things with no clear idea of what the return will be might not seem crazy. It's only when you forget IM and think logically about what makes sense that it becomes clear.

Andy

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Steve Iser

16 years ago

The only kind of mentor you want is someone ethically making a killing online.

2 years ago I accomplished this by luck. Take this and find someone to bud with.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Iser

The only kind of mentor you want is someone ethically making a killing online.

2 years ago I accomplished this by luck. Take this and find someone to bud with.

Just make sure you're clear about 'killing'. Some people seem to think making a few grand a month is a killing, but there are a LOT of people doing much more than that, so go for the person/people who are at the level you're aiming at, not just anything more than you.

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TheMagicShow 16 years ago

Having a mentor does help speed up the process by leaps and bounds, you just have to look at the choices and make sure that they have a proven track record, make sure that you can afford to pay for their package/mentorship/bootcamp, make sure that a certain guarantee & promise is offered by this mentor.

You need to actually understand that this mentor can only do so much for you, you need to be on the ball and do what this mentor says, if they say blog 3 times a day do it, if they say write x amount of articles a day..do it.

Your goal is to reach a certain level of success and there are some real good mentors out there, you just have to look, do not jump at everything you see, just compare what you find and eventually join their mentorship program if it sounds good to you.
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- Bev Clement 16 years ago
  
  I agree with Andy, some of the advice given is terrible.
  
  People can mentor or coach others even if the fields are different. For the majority of people they have no idea how to start, what their skills are or anything else. It often takes a third party to draw that out from them.
  
  Take people like Bob Proctor do you think he has experienced every problem known to mankind, or do you think he is good at his job?
  
  You need to discover your strengths and your weaknesses, and then build on them.
  
  Lou I understand the perfection thing but there are ways around that as well.
  
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  Chris Stigson 16 years ago
  
  PM me, I do phone consultation with people... there's a fee "of course", but you get the info and motivation you need to succeed...
  
  I have a coaching team if you need that, or you can work with me personally...
  
  My mentor earns $3,000,000 a year
  
  He has told me some fun stuff about this "internet marketing stuff".
  
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Steve Steinitz

16 years ago

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the personal reply. I agree with many things you wrote. I'll comment on some of them but will focus on things with which I may not fully argree.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

you don't think your business could be made very successful - even with 5 sessions working with a 'Guru'.

if you omit the word 'even' I would agree.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

So, either you don't think what's on offer is actually high quality - or you don't put much value on your own business.

I stare at your statement wonder how you could be satisfied having found only two possibilities. That aside, another possibility is that I know what I want and what's on offer isn't it -- high-quality or not.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

So, whoever is asking for $3k for 5 sessions must believe that they're worth it.

I'm sure they are worth it to many, just not to me. That's not the scenario I seek. It has little to do with quality. Think of a romantic scenario. Perhaps an attractive, quality man offers himself to me. No matter what his offer, I doubt I'll accept. I don't want a man.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

If they are way over-priced compared to what they deliver, they won't be able to sustain the business easily as word will spread.

However, if the people coming to them have successful businesses and are getting a new perspective and easily adding $10k to their bottom line, then it's a complete no brainer.

I confess I don't believe, in my case, that 2.5 hours could add $10K to my business. If I am wrong, I will be the worse for it. I can live with that. We each have to make our own blind evaluations.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

So, depending on where you are in your journey and what your mindset and resources are - maybe an expensive coach/mentor is not right for you - or alternatively what will make all the difference is just someone bringing you out of the details and reminding you what it was that you were trying to achieve and why.

I agree. In the chess world its anecdotal that grandmasters aren't always the best coaches nor are they the least expensive. The same anecdote claims that an interested amateur is often the best coach. I was lucky enough to find a near-master as a coach. He coached me out of his love for the game and because he enjoyed my novel take on chess training. I reciprocated by helping him with technical things and in other ways.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

For many people in IM the problem is that they've been drawn into an IM details world, where they're constantly thinking about lists, blogs, ppc, PLR etc... when actually they could start a successful business from scratch if they just stepped back and looked at what value they have and who they could offer it to.

Powerful point. You have inadvertently mentored me. Thank you

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Many IMers are doing things with no idea about what the results will be - That's madness in any business, but if your IM business is based on not expecting great results, then spending money and time on things with no clear idea of what the return will be might not seem crazy.

That is an insightful observation. However, I believe that there is a time for that kind of infantile thrashing. The IM 'baby robin' phase is necessary, important. A baby robin needs to make mistakes -- as long as they are not fatal.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

It's only when you forget IM and think logically about what makes sense that it becomes clear.

That one, I like.

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Bev Clement 16 years ago

Kim I did it before and had some who worked really hard. It is only 1 person this time, as I'm working with some other people at the moment.

I have had some failures, in that they didn't want to work. But those who were serious have gone onto making an income online
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Originally Posted by steinitz

A certain guru's company's offer of 5 half-hour sessions for $3000 wasn't so attractive. But that's just me.

A problem with perception

If I was to invest $3000 on 5 half hour sessions with a guru then went on to make $10k a month within a few months time, is it money well spent, (I'd have thought so)

That's the problem...

You get people coming on the forum wanting folks to wave a magic wand to create them a business (repeat after me acrabadabra) :rolleyes:

Yeah if you can find a really good mentor, expect to pay for it, why on earth should they spend hours doing it for nothing. (I definitely wouldn't)

To be honest (and I speak as someone who who used to mentor nursing students regularly when I worked on the wards).

Mentoring someone is hard work, it takes commitment from both sides, and very often one side will fail the other.

To be honest I wouldn't mentor someone for $5k per 5 hour sessions, (and I can assure you it's the type of price I would be looking at), simply because I couldn't cope with the hassle of someone wating me to do everything for them. (and yes most people would).

To me mentoring is facilitating, guiding people in the right direction.

For instance one of the things I might do is say to the person I was mentoring, (off the top of my head), is spend 2 hours surfing the internet for traffic generation programs then write me a 1000 word essay on why traffic generation is so important!

How many people would do that, how many people would be aware of why I asked them to do that, How many people would be pissed at me for asking them!

Nope I can imagine, what they would want is a short cut to making money online. (with me building it for them).

What's the point, you need to know how to do it correctly for yourself and that means learning the ropes from the ground upwards. Especially if you want to build a sustainable business

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16 years ago

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-prepared.html

This is for anyone who is serious that they want to be mentored/coached but not for anyone who doesn't want to be serious and work

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Originally Posted by Bev Clement

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-prepared.html

This is for anyone who is serious that they want to be mentored/coached but not for anyone who doesn't want to be serious and work

lol your a braver woman than me Bev, be interesting to see how it pans out

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Yeah if you can find a really good mentor, expect to pay for it, why on earth should they spend hours doing it for nothing. (I definitely wouldn't)

I would go even further as to say the best mentors out there cannot be bought for ANY amount of $X/hr.

Because they make their money by DOING IT, not by TEACHING IT. Their knowledge and experience just isn't for sale, because they're too busy making money with what they know.

They're businesspeople, not self-employed consultants.

If you happen to have something they want and get the chance to be "taken on-board" by one of these guys, you don't become a protege... you're a PARTNER... and they want ROYALTIES FROM FUTURE PROFITS... or if they're smart, they'll ask for an EQUITY SHARE in your business. And you thought $3,000 was expensive for world-class mentoring.

Now you BOTH have skin in the game... your success is their success... the more money you make, the more money they make. That's why, as Kim says, WHO you are as a person is more important to a mentor than a monthly cheque.

This is my opinion. Nothing more.

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16 years ago

Hi Jason,

In my eyes you have cut to the heart of mentoring.

Originally Posted by JasonKing

I would go even further as to say the best mentors out there cannot be bought for ANY amount of /hr.

Yes, until you have something of extreme value to offer the master mentor, you may be out of luck.

Originally Posted by JasonKing

If you happen to have something they want and get the chance to be "taken on-board" by one of these guys, you don't become a protege... you're a PARTNER... and they want ROYALTIES OF FUTURE PROFITS... or if they're smart, they'll ask for an EQUITY SHARE in your business. And you thought $3,000 was expensive for world-class mentoring.

I watched a documentary some years ago saying that that is also how money lenders work in many non-western countries and that it works well.

Your post deserves stickying. It re-introduces reality into the idea of mentorship and slaps us with the preciousness of a real mentor and how we must prepare ourselves for him or her.

Originally Posted by JasonKing

This is my opinion. Nothing more.

Humble too

You've got the lot.

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Kay King 16 years ago

I think MohadinFM was making the point that who you learn from may depend on what type of IM you decide to do. You can hire a coach/mentor to lead you through the entire process or you can learn from experts in various areas of IM.

The OP joined - made a few posts saying "help me" and "mentor me" - did not answer those who offered - and has not been back to the thread. Even the best mentor cannot help someone who does not participate in helping himself.

Time is finite. Time and again I've seen members in this thread step forward to help a new marketer who needed a boost to keep going. True, you can't learn everything from any forum. You can make the contacts necessary to learn and find the resources you need.

Kim said

You get people coming on the forum wanting folks to wave a magic wand to create them a business (repeat after me acrabadabra) :rolleyes:

and she's right on the money!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by JasonKing

I would go even further as to say the best mentors out there cannot be bought for ANY amount of /hr.

-JasonKing

And the other side of the coin is that you don't necessarily have to pay for a mentor.

My mentor learns from me as I learn from him.

No-one finishes learning, so we're all really just on individual journeys and as we go we meet people who are on similar journeys but further ahead or behind us on the road.

We can all benefit from interacting with and learning lessons from others - but the timing needs to be right for the situation to be mutually beneficial.

The ways and methods I was using to help people 5 years ago are different from now, so who I am and what I have to offer has changed, and the people that help me most are different to a few years ago too.

There are almost always opportunity to move forward, but it's also easy to waste time focused on things which are not moving you towards your goals.

The issue of money just gets in the way. When the situation is mutually beneficial - it's also usually an easy decision to make. If the decision is not clear, the situation probably isn't right or more information is needed.

Where someone is charging $10k for 'caoching/mentoring', if you can speak to previous/existing clients and find out whether the benefits they're getting (if any) would apply to you in a way that offers more value than the money - it can still be an easy option, but there are more things to consider than the monetary factors.

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Michael Mayo

16 years ago

There was a Time a little over a year ago when I got stuck.

Yes, Stuck. I had so many things going on that I couldn't make progress in any direction I went.

Then out of the Blue Andy Henry offered to help a few people out and I was one of them.

Our talk lasted about 20 minutes(I talked for 19 of them)and the only thing Andy said to me was, Why are you stuck? That alone set a series of events into motion.

First I sat down and listed everything that was stopping me from reaching my goals. eliminated them and was on the road again.

Coaching/Mentoring isn't just about learning how to make money. It also includes how to Think and do it in a productive way!

When Andy and I finished our talk. I asked Andy if it would be alright for me to contact him in the future in case I run into another problem and he as a True Warror and Great person said sure.

To this day I have not had to do so because every time I get stuck on something I just ask myself "Why are you stuck" Then I answer the question and move on.

Thanks Again Andy for you Time and that one simple reply. "Why?"

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Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

There was a Time a little over a year ago when I got stuck.

Yes, Stuck. I had so many things going on that I couldn't make progress in any direction I went.

Then out of the Blue Andy Henry offered to help a few people out and I was one of them.

Our talk lasted about 20 minutes(I talked for 19 of them)and the only thing Andy said to me was, Why are you stuck? That alone set a series of events into motion.

First I sat down and listed everything that was stopping me from reaching my goals. eliminated them and was on the road again.

Coaching/Mentoring isn't just about learning how to make money. It also includes how to Think and do it in a productive way!

When Andy and I finished our talk. I asked Andy if it would be alright for me to contact him in the future in case I run into another problem and he as a True Warror and Great person said sure.

To this day I have not had to do so because every time I get stuck on something I just ask myself "Why are you stuck" Then I answer the question and move on.

Thanks Again Andy for you Time and that one simple reply. "Why?"

Have a Great Day!
Michael

Thanks Michael.

I'm really happy to hear that you're empowered to get your own answers with such a simple system that you know you can rely on.

Most of the most productive insights are very simple.

Basic questions like:

Are you building a business that you would want to end up with?

If you get the success you're after - will you be happy with what is required to maintain it?

Why are you starting a business? and is this business going to give you that outcome?

Can you reasonably expect the actions you're taking to achieve the end result you say you want?

What is your USP (unique selling proposition)? (why should people be spending money with you in particular)

What extra value is your business bringing to the market?

What's stopping you - is it a real obstacle?

These simple questions are often enough to give someone an 'ahah' moment and realise a fundamental problem with the way they're approaching their business.

Getting help is not all about the details of IM or which niche you're working in - most often you could make money in many ways/niches, so it's your attitude and approach that is where the work for increasing success can be more effective.

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16 years ago

I agree that a mentor is a good idea. But how to find a good one? Now that is the question.

It's not about money. I can afford it, but I cannot afford throwing money at some incompentent fellow offering vague responses to my questions and wasting my time (and money) in the process. It's mostly about time, in my case.

So how do you find a mentor you can really trust?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

So how do you find a mentor you can really trust?

We're all holding our breath to see if someone can come up with the answer (and no I'm not being sarcastic)

Mentoring mean different things to different people. its maybe not a question of finding one you can trust, but someone who is compatible with yourself!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

To be honest I'm with Martin

You get someone coming to the forum who in practically their first post bleats they want a mentor...

Kymi

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

We're all holding our breath to see if someone can come up with the answer (and no I'm not being sarcastic)

Kymi

You don't seem to be particularly open to the idea of mentoring, in the first place, or particularly friendly to newbies, so I guess I am still waiting for my answer.

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Michael Mayo 16 years ago

How Does Someone Find/Get a Mentor?

First and foremost, mentors and mentees should "self select each other." When looking for a mentor, a person should spend a lot of time thinking about his or her mentoring needs and investigating possible mentors. A good way to do this is by "asking around" to get feedback about who might be an appropriate mentor for the individual.

Good sources of information can be found by asking Warrior Members that have been here on the WF for years.

Before any commitments are made, individuals should meet with a number of potential mentors - that is, sit down with them and discuss career aspirations, what each person expects from the mentoring relationship, and learn more about each other as individuals.

Just my .02
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- Nvc 16 years ago
  
  so i take it you have this kind of threads once in a while and all end up the same.
  
  Maybe why not create some sticky thread with names of people that are up for mentoring and we noobs could go pick from there instead of having the same conversation over and over
  
  in a year 2, 5 whatever, i dont be a noob but there will be others and the threads will start again
  
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  charlesf 16 years ago
  
  I have been trying at this whole IM thing for a long time now and still have not made any sales. I would like a mentor but in all actuality dont have time for one. I have a job that pays pretty well and am going to continue to try IM until i make a sale, then i will know it is possible and go from there.
  
  Try to stick with the basics and dont get destracted by all the methods out there, thats what i have been doing, even though with no luck yet, it still has saved me a lot of headaches.
  
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  rufaswan 16 years ago
  
  That's why we as newbies need mentors. IM is BIG, and before I can make any sense from it, I feel like whatever I am doing is plain WRONG. And not everybody is any helpful either, they will said read this, read that, and then keep testing to optimise the result... blah blah blah... when you don't know what you are doing, and what you suppose to do.
  
  I can still clearly remember when the first time I hear about IM, I was trying to sell something on ebay, then I hear about digital products, and then I hear about Clickbank, then Pay Per Click (Google Cash), then Affiliate, then Landing Page, then SEO, then Article Marketing, then Social Marketing...
  
  For crying out load there are more like Email List, Softwares, Squeeze Page, Membership Sites, and those marketing like Viral Marketing, Software Marketing, Video Marketing, BUM Marketing...
  
  I don't want to list any more...
  
  ... I feel like reading the book in backwards...
  
  If I know the correct model and the correct learning path from the very beginning, I won't be suffering that BAD...
  
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  Christie Love 16 years ago
  
  There are many people who can mentor you here. However, the best thing to do is research. Learn as much as you possibly can. There are many different fields of IM you can get into. Find the one that resonates with you best and sparks your passion. Then, study more about that subject. You will begin to find experts in that field. My communicating in the forum on a particular topic often, mentoring opportunities will appear.
  
  It may be through a PM conversation. You may see a signature that offers mentoring in your area.
  
  One thing to consider is that any mentor will want to know that you are serious and dedicated to IM. Seeing that you are new, most people here will ask that you do some work yourself first.
  
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  louiefrias 16 years ago
  
  Yeah, um anyway. Some great advice as always here. My two cents worth? Start getting on as many lists as you can, keep the ones you like, get off the ones you don't. Also, try and find some free teleseminars to listen in to.
  
  This is a shameless plug for my current one. It's at: </title> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>8 Week Telesummit
  
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  AndrewCavanagh 16 years ago
  
  It's very difficult to steer a car that isn't moving.
  
  If you just pick one simple direction in your internet marketing, take action, follow that course for a reasonable period of time (like 3-12 months) then you'll be ready for a mentor.
  
  The most important things you could do are probably:
  
  1. Put up some kind of website (even a blog with your own domain name will get you started).
  
  2. Choose a way to make money out of the traffic to that website.
  
  You might sell your own product, have adsense ads, market affiliate products etc etc.
  
  3. Drive traffic to that site. You can use article marketing, pay per click, SEO, forum and blog marketing etc etc.
  
  Once you've gone through these 3 basic processes it gets a whole lot easier to teach you.
  
  There are people who will teach you these basic steps right from the start (like David Cavanagh...who'll even do it for you in a cool location like Thailand).
  
  But if you're starting off with no budget you really should just go and do these things THEN start thinking about mentoring.
  
  Then you'll have enough knowledge and experience to make a good return from whatever you pay your mentor.
  
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  Tom B Banned 16 years ago
  
  I think looking for a mentor is the worst thing most people can do. I am mainly talking to people just starting out.
  
  A couple of reasons for that statement.
  
  Time is valuable. You will be paying a mentor a significant amount of money and more than likely there won’t be enough time for the mentor to understand what you are trying to achieve. Heck, the person starting out will, more than likely, not know what they are trying to achieve. There is more to this business than saying I want to make money online.
  
  Your strengths. Your strengths may not be compatible to the expertise of the mentor. This could kill your enthusiasm quickly when you are failing simply because you are not playing to your strengths. The mentor may be well versed in some areas of IM but these areas may not necessarily be for you.
  
  What I think you should do?
  
  The same thing most people including myself have done. You learn on your own. Test what works. Find out what your strengths are and what you are interested in. You will have to try different things and it will make your head spin. Don’t worry, soon it will all make sense because you are learning through experience. You must keep an eye on what is working. Tweak, tweak and tweak. Continue to change minor things and test. This will give you a basis of knowledge that will help you to understand what you are interested, what your strengths are and what you should be concentrating most of your efforts on in order to maximize your profits.
  
  Once you have done this than by all means get a mentor. This is when you have some experiences and you will get a lot more for your money. I would dive into specific areas that you want to continue to build on. You will probably already have some experience with them which will allow you to absorb more information and learn faster.
  
  I did the same thing. I realized I don’t like writing. I am not interested in SEO. My main interest is in developing products. That is where my strengths are. I concentrate on this area alone. I sell resell rights to some of my products which create nice traffic for me. Affiliates are another source. I just continue to build more and more products. This wasn’t the case at first. I was spinning my head around everything just like most new people. I just took a realistic look at myself, my strengths, my weaknesses and what I enjoy doing. Everything has been falling in place ever since.
  
  This takes time but there is no way you will be able to do this without putting in the time. IM is a big area just like other fields of employment. You have to sift through the information and it will all make sense if you continue to work at it.
  
  I would also look to creating a Mastermind with other people in the same boat. You can help each other learn.
  
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Originally Posted by bignewbie

You don't seem to be particularly open to the idea of mentoring, in the first place, or particularly friendly to newbies, so I guess I am still waiting for my answer.

lol you're very much mistaken, I deal very much with newbie marketer's, and I've mentored extensively in the past (just not in IM).

What I am is blunt, I won't feed you with a load of crap and I certainly won't give you a load of bull poo.

If I did mentor someone, I'd expect them to do much of the work themselves, (You have to do this to learn), I'd certainly point them in the right direction, but I certainly wouldn't spoon feed them.

And I suspect that's what a lot of people begging for mentoring want.

Most want to cut out the learning curve, but sorry you cant!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

And I suspect that's what a lot of people begging for mentoring want.

Most want to cut out the learning curve, but sorry you cant!

Kim

A mentor can show you where to go but it is still up to u to go through the learning curve and become stronger while overcoming obstacles.

A mentor can show you the way but it is up to you to walk alone.

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Originally Posted by jhongren

A mentor can show you where to go but it is still up to u to go through the learning curve and become stronger while overcoming obstacles.

A mentor can show you the way but it is up to you to walk alone.

Cheers,
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Nice sum up

Love your wedding blog John

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Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

lol you're very much mistaken, I deal very much with newbie marketer's, and I've mentored extensively in the past (just not in IM).

If I did mentor someone, I'd expect them to do much of the work themselves, (You have to do this to learn), I'd certainly point them in the right direction, but I certainly wouldn't spoon feed them.

And I suspect that's what a lot of people begging for mentoring want.

Kim

You only suspect? After mentoring extensively, that's the best you can do? And why so much negativity? And how about treating everyone without projecting your prejudices on them. The guy who started this thread may not be like a lot of people you suspect of laziness. In fact, I believe that most people are not like that. I may be naive, but I am willing to give everyone the benefit of a doubt. They may be confused, lost, but that does not mean yet that they are lazy.

Well, I am afraid you need a mentor more than most of the newbies here.

I will take my quest for a mentor elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by bignewbie

You only suspect? After mentoring extensively, that's the best you can do? And why so much negativity? And how about treating everyone without projecting your prejudices on them. The guy who started this thread may not be like a lot of people you suspect of laziness. In fact, I believe that most people are not like that. I may be naive, but I am willing to give everyone the benefit of a doubt. They may be confused, lost, but that does not mean yet that they are lazy.

Well, I am afraid you need a mentor more than most of the newbies here.

I will take my quest for a mentor elsewhere.

Congrats! U got your message across, and I am sure there will be little retort, lol. However, don't let the arrogant comments of a single person or small group, discourage you from your initial goal! That goal was to receive some advice from someone, or some people who were able to guide you on your path to success. Keep at it!!

I am not sure what if anything I can offer, but as I said in an earlier post, I was in the same position not so long ago, and I am now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. I also know without any doubt whatsoever, that I owe most of it to the people who helped me out on this same forum, only weeks ago. If you think I can help in any way, leave a post here or PM me, but dont give up!

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Originally Posted by bignewbie

I will take my quest for a mentor elsewhere.

Good idea hunny, sounds as though your suffering a touch of arrogance yourself!
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  Originally Posted by Kim Standerline
  
  Good idea hunny, sounds as though your suffering a touch of arrogance yourself!
  
  And then you whine and bitch about infractions... Get a grip. You have zero class.
  
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  And then you whine and bitch about infractions... Get a grip. You have zero class.
  
  lol you're obviously a bloke :rolleyes: you know nothing about me, who's whining and bitching now
  
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bryce

16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

You don't seem to be particularly open to the idea of mentoring, in the first place, or particularly friendly to newbies, so I guess I am still waiting for my answer.

I have read all of the comments and support offered in this thread and there are certainly some mixed responses. However the ONE thing that stood out like tits on a bull, was the negativity that oozed from Kim Standerline. To be honest, and I know here what I am talking about, as I too was in this same position only a few weeks ago, the comments that you post, do nothing except purport you are more important than any other here.

A few weeks ago, I was in need of support/mentoring call it what you will, but I took the challenge and posted on the old forum. Within 2 weeks I had more than 2800 views on the thread, 100 comments, and had made the 'Best Threads' list! All of this cost me NOTHING, and the support both in the thread and persoanlly through email and PM was invaluable! My only commitment to those that supported me, was to "Pay It Forward" and I will deliver, no questions asked.

Since that time, I have written a 46 page (8000+) eBook, I have single handedly built a 9 page website, set up payment gateways, developed an Aweber account with various campaigns and AR's, and am now (in the last 2 days only) satisfied with the fact that EVERYTHING I did, works like a charm!

Prior to this, and on the day of posting my original post, I was facing bankruptcy and ready to end it all. I had nothing, no experience, no real online skills, and certainly NO IM experience. The ONE thing I did have was a DESIRE to achieve my goals, and I have completed phase one!

Now that is done, I am looking down the barrel of phase two, and that is setting up my affiliate program so that others may earn some cool cash by promoting my unique product, so I am aware that there will be a lot of late night study regarding SEO, etc. BUT again I still have that desire, and what's more - as someone already pointed out in this thread - "Now that my site is up and running" I have a new found confidence that what I have dedicated to this vision, has already been worth it. The ULTIMATE thing I will NEVER forget, is those people who helped me (genuinely) when I needed it and asked for it.

I am not going to advertise that post here, although if you are interested to see how it all started PM me, and I will happily send you the link to the original thread, and HEY who knows, maybe the support and advice I was lucky enough to receive there, will assist you as well.

Forget the self professed, self important people who place themselves on a pedastal! At one point in their lives, they were exactly where you are now, and where I was a few weeks ago! The only difference between you and them, is TIME! (and of course your true passion for what it is that you want!)

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bryce

I have read all of the comments and support offered in this thread and there are certainly some mixed responses. However the ONE thing that stood out like tits on a bull, was the negativity that oozed from Kim Standerline. To be honest, and I know here what I am talking about, as I too was in this same position only a few weeks ago, the comments that you post, do nothing except purport you are more important than any other here.

got the same impression, didnt want to scream hypocrisy but it looks kinda comic to see the anti noob help campaign while having a sigi link that helps noobs

but maybe i got it all wrong

as usual

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by fatfookbob

got the same impression, didnt want to scream hypocrisy but it looks kinda comic to see the anti noob help campaign while having a sigi link that helps noobs

but maybe i got it all wrong

as usual

Haha, that is sometimes my downfall

I tend to shoot from the hip, but I can't stand arrogance and that is what I got from the posts I was reading. People should learn to shut up rather than dump on others, and I still remember my sales manager talling me, nearly 25 years ago, "There is no such thing as a stupid question."

The thing about the "helping noobs in the sigi" is that in this thread it was being asked for for free (well on face value) and over there (the sigi link) it costs around $720 a year, and all you end up doing is selling a whole bunch of affiliated products. Same ole Same ole!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bryce

I have read all of the comments and support offered in this thread and there are certainly some mixed responses. However the ONE thing that stood out like tits on a bull, was the negativity that oozed from Kim Standerline. To be honest, and I know here what I am talking about, as I too was in this same position only a few weeks ago, the comments that you post, do nothing except purport you are more important than any other here.

A few weeks ago, I was in need of support/mentoring call it what you will, but I took the challenge and posted on the old forum. Within 2 weeks I had more than 2800 views on the thread, 100 comments, and had made the 'Best Threads' list! All of this cost me NOTHING, and the support both in the thread and persoanlly through email and PM was invaluable! My only commitment to those that supported me, was to "Pay It Forward" and I will deliver, no questions asked.

Since that time, I have written a 46 page (8000+) eBook, I have single handedly built a 9 page website, set up payment gateways, developed an Aweber account with various campaigns and AR's, and am now (in the last 2 days only) satisfied with the fact that EVERYTHING I did, works like a charm!

Prior to this, and on the day of posting my original post, I was facing bankruptcy and ready to end it all. I had nothing, no experience, no real online skills, and certainly NO IM experience. The ONE thing I did have was a DESIRE to achieve my goals, and I have completed phase one!

Now that is done, I am looking down the barrel of phase two, and that is setting up my affiliate program so that others may earn some cool cash by promoting my unique product, so I am aware that there will be a lot of late night study regarding SEO, etc. BUT again I still have that desire, and what's more - as someone already pointed out in this thread - "Now that my site is up and running" I have a new found confidence that what I have dedicated to this vision, has already been worth it. The ULTIMATE thing I will NEVER forget, is those people who helped me (genuinely) when I needed it and asked for it.

I am not going to advertise that post here, although if you are interested to see how it all started PM me, and I will happily send you the link to the original thread, and HEY who knows, maybe the support and advice I was lucky enough to receive there, will assist you as well.

Forget the self professed, self important people who place themselves on a pedastal! At one point in their lives, they were exactly where you are now, and where I was a few weeks ago! The only difference between you and them, is TIME! (and of course your true passion for what it is that you want!)

Good gracious me, I go off to watch some telly, and I get savaged lol

I have broad shoulders and I can take whatever you want to dish out.

You certainly have your opinions (as I do), and hey you may be right about me, thing is, I'm just someone who looks at life realistically, if you want to confuse realism with negativity and arrogance, that's your perogative.

Thing is, I shoot from the hip myself, and I certainly won't apologise because I've offended you or others on the board with the truth how I see it.

Fact:

Anyone wanting a mentor, has to be prepared to do 99% of the work, (I've seen so many people fail at the very first hurdle).

Fact:

A lot of people either won't last the course or they will expect their mentor to do most of the work for them, think of those IM courses you've bought and never opened. (Been there and done it myself)

Fact:

If you want a decent mentor you'll usually have to pay big bucks for them, But how on earth do you discover who is going to scam you out of your money or not. (difficult).

The Warriors forum is probably one of the best places to learn there is. There are some awesome posts, (The old forum must be worth tens of thousands of dollars in information), but then how many people bother to actually search through it for the info they need.

Nope they want a quick fast solution to making bucks online.

IM success isn't the prize at the end of the yellow brick road, it's damned hard work, and yes of course I've been where you are, I remember those 24 hour days I put in very well, mainly because I buggered my health up!

You know what really makes me smile about your post?

You're probably the one in however many people who has actually taken action and done something to help themselves. It sounds as though you have the grit and determination to actually make a success of your product.

And for the record, I'm not going to apologise for my signature, I've been helping Newbies since 2004, I've also been teaching (and mentoring) in the real world for the last 30 years, so I guess I can say I have a smidchin of experience when it comes to both.

If you can't take the heat or a few home truths guys, you're probably cookin in the wrong kitchen

Kim

BTW I stepped down from my pedestal a while ago, it got a tad draughty up there.

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Glenn Leader 16 years ago

I could mention a name, here in public, but one to avoid like the plague.
Beware of con men reading this thread and PMing you privately. I've lost
over $3000 from a so called business mentor. That money will never be
recovered, nor will I ever get the mentoring I paid for from him. He is
very convincing, and when things go wrong, and it won't take long, it's
YOU who gets the blame.

Do your Due Diligence first before handing over a single penny.

Demand Verifiable Proof, and follow up on testimonials.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

I agree that a mentor is a good idea. But how to find a good one? Now that is the question.

It's not about money. I can afford it, but I cannot afford throwing money at some incompentent fellow offering vague responses to my questions and wasting my time (and money) in the process. It's mostly about time, in my case.

So how do you find a mentor you can really trust?

Find someone you respect. Approach them with a win-win proposition for mentoring you.

You generally don't pay for mentoring. You pay for coaching. Typically, mentoring is a two-way street. Both parties get something out of the exchange of time.

I speak from experience: I've been mentored by one of the best copywriters in direct response. For a year, I worked my ass off on his projects, read until my eyes bled, and swallowed some fiercely brutal critiques of my writing.

But I learned a ton. And on my first 'big publisher' offline direct response project, I got 'em a 5% response.

So was the pain and suffering worth it? Hell, yeah! I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

On the flip side, I've had requests for copywriting mentoring.

The first guy not only failed to turn in his first assignment on time, he went completely AWOL.

The second one, a woman, quit after three weeks, saying she didn't have time to read 'all this marketing stuff'.

The next woman, finished her first assignment draft, and announced she didn't realize that becoming a good copywriter would take up so much of her time. And quit.

The most recent guy sent me a passionate email telling me how really, really serious he was about being a really, really great copywriter. I set up a time for a preliminary call, to which he replied with great enthusiasm. Less than 6 hours later, sent me another email saying, thanks, but no thanks, he had decided to consider other career avenues.

The last one did me a favor by not wasting my time. The others, not so much.

It takes time and energy to mentor someone. And to be mentored. Expect - and try to - give value in exchange for value.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Collette

I've had requests for copywriting mentoring.

The first guy not only failed to turn in his first assignment on time, he went completely AWOL.

The second one, a woman, quit after three weeks, saying she didn't have time to read 'all this marketing stuff'.

The next woman, finished her first assignment draft, and announced she didn't realize that becoming a good copywriter would take up so much of her time. And quit.

The most recent guy sent me a passionate email telling me how really, really serious he was about being a really, really great copywriter. I set up a time for a preliminary call, to which he replied with great enthusiasm. Less than 6 hours later, sent me another email saying, thanks, but no thanks, he had decided to consider other career avenues.

The last one did me a favor by not wasting my time. The others, not so much.

It takes time and energy to mentor someone. And to be mentored. Expect - and try to - give value in exchange for value.

I rest my case

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Stallion 16 years ago

To take a page from Robert Kiyosaki (Rich Dad Poor Dad guy), he suggested not asking for a mentor but get a job for one.

I'm sure there is a lot of people here that need work done that you can do absolutely free for them. You'll learn that way.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Collette

Find someone you respect. Approach them with a win-win proposition for mentoring you.

Great post, Collette. Finally something constructive and intelligent.

And thanks for not insinuating that I am yet another lazy moron.

I have to run now, we'll be back later with some big revelation

Thanks again. And good luck with your business.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

Great post, Collette. Finally something constructive and intelligent.

And thanks for not insinuating that I am yet another lazy moron.

I have to run now, we'll be back later with some big revelation

Thanks again. And good luck with your business.

If you're referring to me BigNoob I'd suggest you read through the thread.

At no point did I suggest you were lazy, (I won't comment on the moron part, thats for you to decide whether you've acted like one or not)

Kim

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Nvc 16 years ago

Since im a noob and not as sharp as all of you here

can anyone answer this question

is the old 80/20 (today its more like 90/10) rule apply here?
because its seems like its more like in middle age here where it was more ballanced
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jgeorge1 16 years ago

Thank you as I am new to the forum and that is how I was feeling..
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bizlady08

What's a WSO? Newbies might not be familiar with the acronym

well they tell us to find it out ourself so i googled it and get

Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra

maybe they are right, i dont need any mentor since im doing perfectly fine it seems..

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Keith Boisvert

16 years ago

Wow. What a nasty turn in this thread.

I really don't see anyone being negative towards newbies.

I did notice however, that the OP, after posting a one liner cry for help, never showed back up and posted.

Now that's dedication! That's showing the desire! Go team

.(<-sarcasm) This is why some people may be hesitant to help, or want to dish out some tough lovin'.

This may be hard to hear...but there are those that want "easy" money and are not willing to do the work involved to get there. I know...it's amazing...but it is true. (<-more sarcasm)

Is stating that so wrong? I think not. I agree with Kim. There are SOME (not all) that want everything spoon fed to them.

Go take a look at Bev's post and post there if you are a newbie and are serious about getting help, go there and post per her requirements.

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Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert

I really don't see anyone being negative towards newbies.

Is stating that so wrong? I think not. I agree with Kim. There are SOME (not all) that want everything spoon fed to them.

~Keith

You are negative. Yes, there are SOME people like that. But there are also plenty of those who are NOT like that. You choose to see the negative and then you declare that there is no negativity here. Please...

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Keith Boisvert

16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

You are negative. Yes, there are SOME people like that. But there are also plenty of those who are NOT like that. You choose to see the negative and then you declare that there is no negativity here. Please...

Please explain what I said that was negative? Because I stated facts? That some people want information handed to them without putting in the effort?

Please explain?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by bignewbie

You are negative. Yes, there are SOME people like that. But there are also plenty of those who are NOT like that. You choose to see the negative and then you declare that there is no negativity here. Please...

Heres a tip for you BigNoob

Not a cool idea to join a forum and piss people off.

may be a good idea to get a few useful posts under your belt first!

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Chris Stigson

16 years ago

So.. did you want the mentoring or not? I won't PM you or try to get business from you... But I've made TONS of money online and I've PPC mentored a guy who had spent over 19,000 clicks for 16 conversions...

I helped him and he had 50 conversions for his first 600 clicks... On health equipment.

So I know what I'm doing.

I also work with a $3,000,000 a year marketer... now if you wanted the mentoring, it's obviously going to cost you and you obviously need to do the work and I have no problem "taking your money" even if you do SHIT with the information...

It's up to you to succeed and if I give you the instructions, cut out all the BS and get you on the $3,000+ a month road in 90-120 days it's worth it...

But no freaking slackin'

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