HELP: Can You Keep Your eBooks From Rip Off Torrent Sites?

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Does anyone know how they can stop your ebooks from being given away for free on those rip-off torrent websites?

Thanks
Steve
#ebooks #rip #sites #stop #torrent
  • Profile picture of the author A Bary
    thee're scripts controlling the number of downloads per customer, recording the ip address of the purchaser and preventing the download for the same order from another country, or limit the download with a certain time frame

    Many good scripts are out there
    DLG is one, EasyClickGuard is an excellent solution as well

    If your ebook is already uploaded to the tourrent site, I can't think of any solution except contacting the site admin and threat them with legal actions...
    Sad but true, theives are controlled only to a limit
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Thanks but I've been using DLG forever but the problem is when some major a-hole uploaded one of my ebooks to a torrents site.

      Steve

      Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

      thee're scripts controlling the number of downloads per customer, recording the ip address of the purchaser and preventing the download for the same order from another country, or limit the download with a certain time frame

      Many good scripts are out there
      DLG is one, EasyClickGuard is an excellent solution as well

      If your ebook is already uploaded to the tourrent site, I can't think of any solution except contacting the site admin and threat them with legal actions...
      Sad but true, theives are controlled only to a limit
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      • Profile picture of the author Peeps66
        It's probably of little comfort, but at least people who are downloading are associating monetary value with the ebook even though they are not paying for it, as opposed to downloading the usual ebook that is offered free. If they like your ebook then they may be prepared to buy the next one, especially if they can't find it on the torrent sites. You could say it is a sign of success that your books are being offered as torrents.

        Good luck in detering the torrent sites.

        Peeps
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    Anything you use to try to thwart pirates will also annoy legitimate customers.

    The good news is that you probably aren't losing any sales due to stealing by pirates. Pirates rarely buy anything.

    Why not use it to your advantage instead? You have an entire ebook to get across a message to pirates about some other kind of product that they couldn't pirate... such as an online software delivered service or a physical good.

    Use your free ad space and let the pirates distribute it as widely as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
      If there was a solution to this, you wouldn't hear about pirated movies, music, etc.

      Put some links in your pirated products that will sell you more products or make affiliate commissions and just realize that it's difficult to stop piracy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    You can't.

    But...there's something sneaky you can do.

    1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
    2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
    3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
    4. Start sharing the eBook again.
    5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
    6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
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    • Profile picture of the author Asher
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      You can't.

      But...there's something sneaky you can do.

      1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
      2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
      3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
      4. Start sharing the eBook again.
      5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
      6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
      Nice way to make lemonades out of stolen
      property =)

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Silvester
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        thee're scripts controlling the number of downloads per customer, recording the ip address of the purchaser and preventing the download for the same order from another country, or limit the download with a certain time frame

        Many good scripts are out there
        DLG is one, EasyClickGuard is an excellent solution as well
        These solutions cannot help you once your product is downloaded. All someone has to do is purchase your product, then ask for a refund.They
        then have a copy to share with other scumbags.

        Originally Posted by Peeps66 View Post

        If they like your ebook then they may be prepared to buy the next one, especially if they can't find it on the torrent sites.
        Sure...they'll purchase your next ebook (and refund it), then share your new product too.

        Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post


        The good news is that you probably aren't losing any sales due to stealing by pirates. Pirates rarely buy anything.
        Not True...you are still losing money to the people that are legitimatally looking for your product to purchase and stumble onto a place they can get it free. Those filesharing sites can show up right next to your search results on search engines.

        Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

        You can't.

        But...there's something sneaky you can do.

        1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
        2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
        3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
        4. Start sharing the eBook again.
        5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
        6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
        After all that effort...they may purchase your product and get a refund...then share that one alongside your "Viral" one.

        Originally Posted by Wakunahum View Post

        Put some links in your pirated products that will sell you more products or make affiliate commissions and just realize that it's difficult to stop piracy.
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        Make sure there are loads of links going out
        from your eBook to affiliate offers, pirates
        distribute it for you, thats okay, people get
        their hands on it, click on one of your affiliate
        links and you get paid for it.
        Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post


        But it's true - your not really loosing "customers" to torrents, as those types never pay anyway.
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        The best solution is to ensure that there is always plenty of links inside your products, both to affiliate links and other sites/products you own.
        Like I said...Any sales you make will be refunded....and so will your commissions.

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        If only there way a way to create PDFs so that they were unique
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    • Profile picture of the author rhelaine
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      You can't.

      But...there's something sneaky you can do.

      1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
      2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
      3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
      4. Start sharing the eBook again.
      5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
      6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
      torrent are not working like that...... if you modify the file the hash won't be the same any longer and the file will be ignored.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Absolutely fantastic advice! I tend to put some affiliate links in my ebooks as well; I don't think there's anything wrong with that IF you're recommending something that is vital to the success of the implementation of your methods.


      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      You can't.

      But...there's something sneaky you can do.

      1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
      2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
      3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
      4. Start sharing the eBook again.
      5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
      6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Great thinking!

      Also you can

      Make a comment on the torrent site/s that the download is a virus or trojan.
      Upload a bunch of other torrents with the same name but with a sales PDF for the product.
      Version your product so that whatever version is in the torrent file is seen as outdated.


      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      You can't.

      But...there's something sneaky you can do.

      1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
      2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
      3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
      4. Start sharing the eBook again.
      5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
      6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    Not a lot you can do, just ask Adobe or Microsoft ...

    Find ways to work with the system, such as creating products that update regularly.

    Make sure the updates are renamed as so.

    And upload your own versions of the book (abridged) to the torrent site.

    But it's true - your not really loosing "customers" to torrents, as those types never pay anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    Pirates will always exist. Id like to tell you you can stop them, but you cannot. Once someone has your .pdf, they can upload it, which is horrible. - If only there way a way to create PDFs so that they were unique and only openable one one machine....
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      As others have said, you can't stop them entirely. They'll always find a way.

      The good news is that all of these people downloading your products illegally wouldn't buy them to begin with.

      The best solution is to ensure that there is always plenty of links inside your products, both to affiliate links and other sites/products you own.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    PDF Marker is the only solution to totally eliminate it that I've seen:


    http://increaseyouronlinetraffic.com/pdf-marker (<-- aff)

    http://pdfmarker.com
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  • Profile picture of the author TheJedi
    The late Corey Rudle created a software program called 'eBook Pro' that creates downloadable ebooks and incorporates secure, trackable, individual registration codes. As an added bonus, it also captures contact info that you can add to your mailing list.

    I would have liked to have tried it, but the $197 price tag was more than I could afford at the time.

    Actually, I think I will go ahead and order it tonight. I'll let everyone if it's worth the price tag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Other than PDFMarker (not endorsing it by mentioning it, it might be great, but I've never tried it myself) about the only other thing I can think of is to turn the ebooks into physical products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    You need to fight back by putting affiliate links in your e book at least then you will make some money. if your book goes viral on the torrents you might make even more money than you would have done will legit sales.

    The only problem is most torrent users are looking for freebies. The way around this is to use those CPA offers that pay just for I a lead or free trial.

    For example if you have a health book put in a link for a free trial colon cleanse or **** berry trial.
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  • Profile picture of the author iYingHang
    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

    Does anyone know how they can stop your ebooks from being given away for free on those rip-off torrent websites?

    Thanks
    Steve
    Using WarriorPro by Mike Lantz.

    Cheers,
    iYingHang
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Unfortunately that doesn't stop them from downloading and distributing your ebook! Once it's downloaded they can pretty much do anything with it.

      Originally Posted by iYingHang View Post

      Using WarriorPro by Mike Lantz.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Mike Filsaime uses a password
    for his Butterfly Marketing Manuscript
    ebook.

    I know that because I tried to
    download it once and it was a huge
    dissappointment (for me) and a huge win
    for Filsaime.

    So, I guess you can either lock it with
    a PDF password software or you can
    just stop putting so much negative energy
    into it.

    Igor
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Silvester
      Originally Posted by igorhelpsyousucceed View Post

      Mike Filsaime uses a password
      for his Butterfly Marketing Manuscript
      ebook.

      I know that because I tried to
      download it once and it was a huge
      dissappointment (for me) and a huge win
      for Filsaime.

      So, I guess you can either lock it with
      a PDF password software or you can
      just stop putting so much negative energy
      into it.

      Igor

      Mate,

      You said you "Tried" to download Mikes
      product...You were stealing it right?

      You've got some explaining to do.

      Also...

      It doesnt matter if your password protect the
      document. Because they just share the password
      with it.

      Michael Silvester
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    Dilute the waters; upload thousands of fake torrents, or partial torrents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    My only problem with your solution Michael is the time taken chasing them down would be better spent on the next product or on your marketing process

    I understand the feeling when someone rips you off in this way.

    But the time taken to go after them is time wasted

    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      My only problem with your solution Michael is the time taken chasing them down would be better spent on the next product or on your marketing process

      I understand the feeling when someone rips you off in this way.

      But the time taken to go after them is time wasted

      Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Silvester
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      My only problem with your solution Michael is the time taken chasing them down would be better spent on the next product or on your marketing process
      No time wasted mate

      You can set-up google alerts for your name, product name, filename etc etc to get the site handed to you on a silver platter.

      You also have to option to have an outsourcer do it for you...it only takes
      5 mins a day to do a quick search.

      At least now...you have an option.

      Normally, you find your file and think...I wonder who the scumbag is
      that keeps sharing my stuff all over the internet. Your pretty much helpless.

      But now...When you do find you file...you know who did it. And you can ban them
      from ever purchasing your products again.

      Also, Can everyone just STOP advising people to put affiliate links inside
      their ebooks. It doesnt work...the scumbags will already have what you
      are trying to sell them. And if they dont...they will buy it, get a refund and
      share it too.

      Take Care,

      Michael Silvester
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  • Profile picture of the author Home Easy Earn
    The way to hit back is to upload it yourself to a download site, as mentioned in earlier posts load it with affiliate links and advertising for your products and sites. If your book is being uploaded to download sites on a regular basis then you must be producing quality products which is something to be proud of.

    There is not much you can do about that happening it is just one of those things that we have to accept for the moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      Originally Posted by gaz59 View Post

      The way to hit back is to upload it yourself to a download site, as mentioned in earlier posts load it with affiliate links and advertising for your products and sites. If your book is being uploaded to download sites on a regular basis then you must be producing quality products which is something to be proud of.

      There is not much you can do about that happening it is just one of those things that we have to accept for the moment.
      If you doing this and I stumble across this file and download it then you are giving it away legally and then you will be doing your paying customers in.

      To some degree most of these downloads don't get used anyway so I wouldn't worry about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author linkbeasts
        Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

        Dilute the waters; upload thousands of fake torrents, or partial torrents.
        Massive time sink, time can never ever ever be replaced. You can however use the time you would have been using doing your suggestion and leveraging that time into money or relaxing / down time before your next scheduled time to " make more money "



        Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

        But it's true - your not really loosing "customers" to torrents, as those types never pay anyway.
        Not 100 % accurate their is plenty of legit uses and reasons for people to download torrents , not everyone DL's just to be cheap. Stats show millions of people download torrents. Many many millions of people.... think these are all consumers they have to spend money at some point. Not all torrent users are crooks. You can design an E-book made just for torrents and make a LOT of money off it if done right, I have.



        Originally Posted by Tomwood View Post

        You need to fight back by putting affiliate links in your e book at least then you will make some money. if your book goes viral on the torrents you might make even more money than you would have done will legit sales.

        for example if you have a health book put in a link for a free trial colon cleanse or **** berry trial.
        Very very true it can be done. You can also design a good free E-book that does point to a money page for direct sales I know because I have done so.


        Originally Posted by Michael Silvester View Post

        Sure...they'll purchase your next ebook (and refund it), then share your new product too.

        After all that effort...they may purchase your product and get a refund...then share that one alongside your "Viral" one.
        Like I said...Any sales you make will be refunded....and so will your commissions.
        Ok maybe granted the original thief will indeed share your next product. A reader of the 1st E-book if he/she liked it may also buy it if he/she cannot find it available. Many uploads are not part of a diabolical plot just opportunistic in nature , uploader A's torrent ratio is low ... finds your E-book ( maybe they bought it maybe found on another site whatever ) they upload it knowing others will DL it and fix their ratio. Many down-loaders will not even know the E-book was for sale and NOT a free E-book.

        Granted yes many are looking for freebies. But not all sales will get refunded , you seem to confuse average down-loaders with the original crook who stole the content knowing it was a " for sale " book.

        Originally Posted by Michael Silvester View Post


        Also, Can everyone just STOP advising people to put affiliate links inside
        their E-books. It doesn't work...the scumbags will already have what you
        are trying to sell them. And if they don't...they will buy it, get a refund and
        share it too.

        Take Care,

        Michael Silvester
        Dead wrong in quite a few cases. Ive used links to a money maker page made the sale and kept the sale, I have had also refunds. Refunds less likely if the product your pushing is a physical product such as say a colloidal minerals liquid which obviously gets delivered right to the buyers home. If your info / content is good and pushes the product as it should and the customer feels a real need for said product after reading the E-book and / or going to your money site they will buy. A good E-book will plant the idea in their head that the product is valuable, desirable , maybe even needed or will save the customer time or money or some other good service. As I said earlier in my post their are MILLIONS of down-loaders on torrents its very naive to think none of these millions of people never ever shop online.


        Originally Posted by Michael Silvester View Post

        Mate,

        It doesn't matter if your password protect the
        document. Because they just share the password
        with it.

        Michael Silvester

        Actually Password protected files are now a big major NO NO on torrent sites , posting password protected files can get the up-loader banned. This was partly done to protect legit content owners. All one needs to do who see's their password protected file being shared is to contact the site admins with a link to the file along with anything you can provide to back up the fact you are the content creator which there is many ways of doing.

        Now with all due respect and no slam here , its very clear to me your working knowledge on torrents is off base , no offense but if your going to give advice on torrents + making money with them, at least get to know the basic facts of torrents. Is there a lot of " bad " users there ? Sure but their is also tons of potential sales within mega easy reach if done right with low effort. I am sorry if you tried making money using torrents and did not succeed but you shouldn't discourage others and condemn all users of torrents as pirate criminals as I said there are many public use files people look for. other warriors have posted money making methods using torrents which some do work to an extent. Sure if your dealing in selling more digital products you will most likely get a fair number of re-funders that I cannot argue against you are right but to make a blanket claim that Any and All purchases made from an link in a downloaded E-book from a torrent will get refunded 100 % of the time is well.... dead wrong.

        Not downing you in the least by the way you brought up many many valid points but some are so far off base it isn't even funny and can lead other warriors away from trying something easy to make good cash with. You can design a hell of a good E-book with the end result to sell a non digital product. I even have a technique that lands me fresh opt ins for my email list and a good number of those leads end up buying from me because I push to them good offers on a subject I already know they have an interest in..... leads I never ever would have had without uploading an E-book to tons of torrent sites. Sure a lot of bad leads but the time / effort ratio is low compared to the good leads I get... also with the way I do things my files stay seeded for years and old E-books still get downloaded ( and I optimize for this and yes you can optimize a torrent ) to this day and still generate me leads years later because I know how torrents work , how to optimize my E-books for the user's ( down-loaders ) of them and put forth my message in a way that makes them want to take action. Most things I end up selling to them end up being something physical however I have successfully sold software via my method. Granted with the method I use I have yet to see anyone else use the same method to " drive " readers to my opt in page...but I am creative and found a way that works for me

        PS their is a private torrent site that consists solely of E-books for business which many many IMers use and make a nice income on , granted selling mostly to other IMers but also to others who just go their to DL E-books... I know because I found it through a warrior here and Ive bought Volume 2 and 3's of E-books where the 1st volume was a freebie and my purchase was far from unique.

        End of mini dialog but to sum it up not all torrent users ( down-loaders) are crooks and thieves ( many up-loaders are however as many times the up-loader knows he / she is pirating ), and you can make money off torrents if done right, you can use the right affiliate link ( on some torrent sites , some ban you for uploading anything with an affiliate link but there is ways around this.... ) You can build your opt in list , drive targeted traffic to your money site and close legit sales ,again if done right.... It has to be done differently in my experience then other forms and techniques of internet marketing but is extremely do-able with a low effort ratio for the gain you can get if you do it the Right way.
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  • Profile picture of the author TylerF
    There's a different mentality to approach this, but I'm not saying that I live by it.

    So here goes: You should actually be proud to see your book on torrent sites.

    Why?

    It means your marketing worked well and created demand for your product. It is actually an out-of-the-box method of testing your marketing,demand,and future products.

    You can easily get feedback by stealthily asking the torrent users who downlaoded the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author timelessreader
      Originally Posted by TylerF View Post

      There's a different mentality to approach this, but I'm not saying that I live by it.

      So here goes: You should actually be proud to see your book on torrent sites.
      I agree with this. I'd like to see more thinking outside of the box around here. It's just a digital file. It doesn't cost you anything, not even your bandwidth.

      I write content which is pirated all over the web but I don't even think twice of it. I just continue to write. The more I get pirated, the more my name gets out there.

      The whole "lost sales" thing is a scarcity mindset. I've listen to pirated music, then dropped $150 at concerts when the artist came to town. I watched Avatar pirated, then went to watch the movie in 3D twice. (Ahem, I mean I knew a friend...)

      I'm not really buying the whole "a pirate is a pirate is a pirate" argument.

      I thought everyone knew in marketing that you're supposed to give away your best stuff for free anyways.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruka
    e-junkie can stamp each page of the pdf with the buyer's name, email and their unique Transaction ID.

    However, there is software out there that can remove watermarks, or failing this, software that can extract out the text into a word file, so a determined thief would be able to still post it ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    Its gonna happen and you might still get customers out of it. One of my friends gave me a few videos from a IM guru that he got off a torrent site and that got me into IM. Then I started buying products from that guru.

    Just focus on getting you products out there and the rest will fall into place.

    In the past I have bought password protected ebooks and it is a huge pain in the ass. I still have maybe 3 of them that I keep forgetting the password and I have to email support to unlock them. I havent bought anything from them since.
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    • Profile picture of the author linkbeasts
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      You can't.

      But...there's something sneaky you can do.

      1. Download your stolen ebook through the torrent site.
      2. Monitor the torrent until there aren't any more people sharing.
      3. Edit the eBook and remove all the vital content. I'm talking about deleting entire chapters.
      4. Start sharing the eBook again.
      5. As people download...they'll be doing so from you...and getting incomplete copies...or "viral" copies that promote purchasing the full version.
      6. Mission (and marketing) accomplished.

      Originally Posted by rhelaine View Post

      torrent are not working like that...... if you modify the file the hash won't be the same any longer and the file will be ignored.
      rhelaine is 100 % correct on this. Once you change the file size and contents it will no longer upload.
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  • Profile picture of the author armadin
    With software products, the best you can do is implement frequent updates which add onto the product, that way it is much harder for people to rely on pirated sites, in most cases they will not be able to get updates quick enough. Games like WoW have frequent updates for example, there is a guide called Zygor for it which is normally updated after the game releases a patch, sometimes people will get fed up waiting for pirated updates and will eventually buy a legal copy in order to have those updates on time.
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