I'm not racist.

Usually help anyone who is posting in a familiar topic that I know.

It had never occurred to me until just now that you could tell the difference. I'm usually focused on the message instead of the messenger.

If I discover it does color my opinions now that I'm aware of it, I'll post back and let you know.

Honestly, yeah. It's not as important a factor as post count and date of registration. All 3 are a factor when I consider the OP and whether I'll respond or not.

But as someone who has been a frequenter of the WF for a long time under multiple names (though not simultaneously) I've actually bought multiple logins to the the War Room. I do this because I feel like it adds a certain credibility.

And I don't mean an artificial one - I mean it in the same way that Google really likes noticing a business's paid inclusion in Yahoo's directory. A publicly proven and paid willingness to access and be a part of an elite within this community is valuable.

The reason I think it's worht buying is because as a user, I use it as a metric to measure a poster. Anyone with enough time can generate a high post count and an old join date. But to be a WR member, you need to have at least put your money where your mouth is.

And if I'm being honest, a lot of the repetitive questions that newbies ask are answered in spades in the war room.

Also, I've actually bee in IM long enough that I remember when the WF itself was a paid membership. And I wasn't ever a paid member then, but it's kind of got this old-school respect thing for me that I think a lot of people at my level have.

IMHO, the War Room Membership is one of the FIRST things any serious IMer should buy. Note, I said SERIOUS.

It doesn't matter to me...people are people. Paying $37 to join the War Room doesn't make you a better person, just as not paying to join doesn't make you a lesser person. I think that's how most people look at it, but I could be wrong.

I never pay attention to a person's War Room status when I post here. It doesn't matter to me.

However, if the poster is trying to bend the rules here (like slip a thinly disguised ad in), then I'll look how long the person has been a member, what their other posts are like, etc. Get a feel for who they are and what their motivation is for bending the rules (e.g., maybe they don't know the rules because they're new).

But War Room status? Doesn't matter to me one bit.

cheers,
Becky

I can't possibly see why you would think there would be any discrimination whatsoever, and I would imagine its something that's probably never entered the heads of anyone on the forum either.

The war room is just another forum, very useful I grant you, but it's just another tool to be used. Nothing mystical about it

To be honest I spend very little time in there compared to the main forum.

Kim

No. I simply look for opportunity to share a comment, question, observation that I think might help someone to get their work done, or to enjoy their life.

The only difference, if I see they are a War Room member, is that I'll mention a War Room report or thread... if I happen to know of one that might help them. (The War Room is coming up on a thousand topics, so there may well be a great report in there I haven't got around to yet myself.)

If I understand what Colin meant, the reports in the War Room answer many questions that newbies ask. If the newbies were to join the War Room and read at least some the reports available there, they would have an efficient path to learning a lot of good material. This might be a more efficient use of their time than taking a guess, asking here about their guess, taking another guess, etc. when their topic could well already have a great report in the War Room.

Since $37 is really cheap for good marketing reports, I agree that it's a sign that someone is serious about learning if they signed up. I also realize that some people start on a shoestring and need to put their very limited startup cash somewhere else. That's fine. I do think just about any serious Internet marketer will easily find $37 worth of material in the War Room once they can comfortably afford it.

Chris

No, just because all the cool kids are joining and your not. It doesnt make your weird, just....different. LoL ;-P No I dont treat anybody differently on here. Were all the same, we just have different things we want out of this forum.

I've never even taken notice of a persons War Room status when replying to their post. I do look at their post count but that's only if I want to send them a PM, those with a low post count can't reply to PM's so I'll include an e-mail address for them.

I joined the War Room back when I first started posting simply because it seemed like an intelligent decision, and I've never regretted it. But I don't pass judgement on those who choose not to join. If they want to pass up the opportunity to get priceless IM advice and private phone numbers for naked supermodels it's their business!



Bill

Why in the world would you even ask a question like that? I would really like to know.

Also as this is a marketing forum, how is this type of question going to help you and anyone else improve their marketing skills? Sorry, I just don't see it.

If I understand what you are asking is you feel neglected by the War Room Members when you make a post. Or perhaps you feel your threads don't solicit the amount of information you are seeking.

If this is the situation you may well not be asking the right questions or making comments in threads that would require someone else to post a response to. In other words when you point a finger at someone or something, remember you have 3 pointing right back at you. O.K. that is enough psychology from an Old Geezer.

But to answer your question, if that is what it is? I will respond to anyone if I can make a useful contribution. It makes no difference to me if they are War Room Members or not.

Ken Leatherman

The Old Geezer

P.S. Sylvia and I were writing about the same time. Sorry for the duplication.

Doesn't make one lickspittle of difference to me. If we are hanging out in the regular forum, then there should be zero expectation for anyone to be a War Room member here.

All the best,
Michael

To me it really doesn't matter wether you're a war room member or not! If you need help with something then I'll try my hardest to help you out. If I don't know the answer then I'll help you find out who does know the answer!

It's as simple as that really!

Jacob

i have found war room warriors are very helpful

I do take every opportunity to convert those lost souls into the War Room Family. Does that make me prejudice?

No! whether someone is a member OR IS NOT means nothing at all to me.

For example: I would not prefer one person over another because they purchase a certain WSO. I would not prefer one person over another because they are a member of the war room.

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It doesn't matter to me if they have War Room access or not.

I'm sure most people who stick around here for a decent amount of time becomes one anyway.

Non war room got no reason
Non war room got no reason
Non war room got no reason
To live

They got little brains
About an ounce
They ain't got sh!t
In their Paypal accounts
They got no skills
And very little dough
They can't even post
A lousy WSO

Well, I don't want no non war room
Don't want no non war room
Don't want no non war room
`Round here

Nope. Over 99% of the marketers I respect and associate with are NOT war room members.

If you come across anyone who actually decides who to help based on their "War Room Status", then you don't want help from them anyway.

As you can see above, there's plenty of genuine people 'round here.

I think the whole premise of the question is silly.
Anyone who would discriminate against another
member for the sole reason that they aren't a War
Room member is pretty shallow... and really has
no clue what it means to be a Warrior.

Tsnyder

Wow, I guess I must be the odd one out then. I would say that rather than it making me inclined to dismiss someone who isn't a War Room member, I'm inclined to think that I simply favor those who are War Room members. It's not like I'm part of any kind of clique in there - I don't think I've ever even posted on that forum. But the thing is, I KNOW what info is in there because I've read it. If I see someone's also a member there, I assume they read it too (since they paid for it) so it's sort of like an instant way to assume that given person knows a little something something.

If that makes more sense? I sounded like kind of a wang in my first post, and I didn't want to leave the impression that I'm not into helping people. I am - but I'm more inclined to help those who help themselves, and the red line in the ID badge is a way of indicating that you're my kind of people in that regard.

Does it make a difference on whether I reply to a thread or not? Sometimes - like if it's a not WR member asking what seems like a basic question and no one's responded, I might hold off. Because I might feel like it would take a lot to answer the question properly, for example. Whereas if I saw the WR line, I could refer to things like the "Conduit Method" and they would know what I meant, or could reference it. It's like knowing the secret handshake I guess.

It's clear I'm in the minority on this one, but I can't be the only one, so I figure sharing a different perspective might help.

Yeah, credibility can always be bought, don't you think? You can also earn it, but buying it is a valid shortcut in lots of situations. For example, paying for a trust seal to display on your shopping cart on an e-commerce site. I didn't mean for it to sound so dismissive to the non-members, but rather I can't help but feel that I want to give preferential treatment to fellow members.

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, so please don't take any where none is intended.

To clarify, being a member is an indicator of seriousness, just as using your real name is, right? It's not that NOT having it automatically means you're clown shoes and bull$hit. It just means I have no way to tell your degree of involvement or familiarity with IM than any other anonymous poster.

Sure, I could research you and stuff, but I'm not inclined to just to get some context on one thread response or other. But that War Room badge can act just like those ecommerce trust seals, being a handy visual shorthand.

Is it always a valid metric, no. But it's still one I think of as useful.

Again, no offense meant, and I hope I explained myself better with less foot-in-mouth.

Of Course War Room Members Are Better...Get Over It


NOTE: As with any forum membership, your results may vary, and will be based on your individual capacity, business experience, expertise, and level of desire. There are no guarantees concerning the level of success you may experience. The testimonials and examples used are exceptional results, which do not apply to the average purchaser, and are not intended to represent or guarantee that anyone will achieve the same or similar results. Each individual's success depends on his or her background, dedication, desire and motivation.

Since we are all being honest...

While I do sincerely want to offer the best possible advice and help that I'm capable of, I have an ulterior motive.

If the advice to a person is sound and helpful, then perhaps I will find that person on my list one day. If not then that's fine too. That's what this forum is for.

Yes, in our meeting on the subject,
I was hesitant to use the words like,


"proletariats and plebians"

and say it's hard to view them on equal footing if they seriously believe they are here to discuss professional marketing here on the internet and can't even seem to muster $37

I mean, really, just who are we kidding here?

It's not to say that I believe they are lazy necessarily
or don't deserve to post at all

It's just, how can we put this delicately so no one gets the wrong idea...

"Non'ers"=they are more like children.

Now, that's how a good majority of us feel
but many won't admit to it
in order to spare the feelings
of those who somehow thought it was smarter
to decide against getting
their War Room Membership yet before now.

It's not to say we don't think the "Non'ers" are uneducated and ignorant
necessarily.

It's just, come on now, really.

Maybe it is just a different "culture".

I hope being honest won't mean we'll have to call security on any "non'ers"
who feel as though they are being made a spectacle of, but come on now, really.

(disclaimer:this is tongue in cheek meaning no discrimination)

I am not prejudiced towards anyone who makes a conscious decision to not join or participate in a section of the War Room.

I still will treat them as an equal, regardless whether they have been here forever or joined this morning.

In saying that I do feel sorry for anyone who is not a War Room member because they don't know what they are missing out on...

Only a War Room member, knows the feeling.

Of course I feel offended when I see something like that...now that he posted in a little more detail I understand what he meant and I somewhat agree.

And kay, don't tell me that if you weren't a war room member and somebody said that every serious marketer should be one you wouldn't be at least a bit offended...

And yeah I am quite often quick to criticize people's opinions because I'm young and impulsive, and I'm never gonna hide it...I am trying to change it tho

Maybe there was a time a while ago that I quickly looked at the "red line"... but since lately we had so many fresh WF members, entering the War Room in a rush just to be able to post a WSO - I stopped looking at it.

Furthermore, as somebody already mentioned, when you look at the "table of content" of a forum there is no way to tell whether the poster (thread starter) is a war room member or not.

However, I am very "prejudiced" towards thread titles like "Help!" or "I really need help with this" or "Can somebody help PLEEEEASE!!???" - actually, I think they are idiots.
(My friends call me an equal opportunity politically incorrect offender for a reason.)

Reading the thread titles and seeing a topic that I am familiar with may prompt me to open it and help. Asking the wrong (read: useless) questions may warn me to avoid threads by certain people.

Don't bring your psychiatric baggage here. Find a shrink! This is not Dr.Phil or Oprah show. And this is not Freud's sofa either.

BTW, why do we have this thread...?

Lol... I had never noticed that the war room members have a red label.. And going back to look at my posts, most of them have been addressed by these wonderful people. And although I am a newbie here, I always get help almost immediately. I strongly believe there is no prejudice

Definitely no prejudice here. We all had to go through the same stage that you're at presently, so I think for the most part we all understand your situation. If anything, I am of the opinion that we go out of our way to help you newbies understand the basics, especially when you ask for help (nicely). Of course, there are some newbies that abuse this, and start hurling insults and/or post really ignorant comments without trying to educate themselves first, and that's when you have to show you some tough love...lol!

The idea never occurred to me. But now that you bring it up, I'm not going to answer your question

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"Are you Prejudice towards 'Non war room' members?"

No, but I do notice mis-spelling! "Prejudiced", I think?


J !!

No, I never even think about it. War room is a choice whether you want to pay extra for extra IM information, it's not a status symbol.

Look at the "big names" in the industry... how many posts have they made? are they members of the war room? In most cases you'll find they don't have the time for it. In most cases you'll find the less time a person spends frequenting a forum the more time they spend making money.

I don't pay any attention at all to whether or not someone is a War Room member. I help when and where I can.

Is there a point here? Frankly this strikes me as a trolling question or one that is irrelevant. Some people look for offense. Perhaps we need a beer summit.

Oh - and to the young man (today is my rant day) who thinks rudeness and poor manners are to be excused because you're young I have news for you. Being young doesn't get you a pass on immaturity. Being critical, cruel, and rude is a result of poor parenting - it has nothing to do with age. My 8 year knows better.

It would be against the warrior's ethics to discriminate on that grounds.

When I wasn't a War Room member, the warriors helped me.
Now, when I am a War Room member, the same warriors still help me out.

And I in turn try to help other warriors irrespective of their being a War Room member or not.

But one thing I would like to point out is that I only try to help on topics that I know a lot about. I wouldn't dare open my mouth on topics I am not familiar with and come across as a dumbass. And that's the case with many warriors out here. We all are learning new things and my friend you think we are PREJUDICED!!

It doesn't matter to me either.

I am a war room member and I hardly ever hang out in there. (shame on me)

I went in there yesterday just to see what's going on and I saw more people freely giving away their best content/products more than having the type of discussions about marketing we're used
to seeing in the Main Forum.

And I agree with Dennis Gaskill that just because they paid $37, it doesn't automatically
make them worth more than someone who didn't as far as where I spend my time being helpful and contributing value.

- Jason

I rarely even notice if the OP is a WR member unless it looks like a spam post and then I look at join date and post and thanks numbers... not WR membership.

(even spammers could use a WR membership! )

Although I can understand feeling offended, but $37 takes care of that and if some one is really offended and doesn't have $37, PM me and I'll buy you one.

Mark

Not at all. We are all one big happy family here. Love to get new members. Perhaps they are not yet full time marketers. Hope one day they join us.

Hi There DogScout ... it's Glenn Livingston :-)

I've got alerts set on my name because I like to monitor rumors about me and try to correct my image where possible (so thanks for mentioning me).

Anyway, for the record, while I make an extremely comfortable living doing all that I've done, the majority of the niches to which you're referring made an average of about $1,000 net profit each (after advertising and customer service costs), and some of them only a few hundred.

There were two that did $8K to $10K net per month, and those (in addition to teaching the method itself) were where I focussed. Eventually I sold or got partners for all of them, and worked on the entrepreneurial market (which led to my current courses and Rocket Clicks).

It was too much to manage over a dozen niches, and I wanted to build a REAL business with deep back ends, real people working in them, etc. There was no way to keep up with all the JV offers, needs for testing and tweaking, and natural attention each of these would have needed.

And the reason I did so many in the black without failure (not 19 in a row by the way, there were two mistakes in there) was because my system has so many red flags that I ruled out literally hundreds of partially researched markets and ideas before I started investing.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not Superman, but a proponent for the value of realism and research in business, especially online. 7 years after I started I wound up in a very nice place, but I would have gotten here a lot sooner if I didn't let everyone convince me I was invulnerable.

What my methods do is give you a more powerful X-Ray into the market than anyone else so you can see things no one else can see, identify market gaps and opportunities no one else knows about, and create the initial entry way to allow eventual dominance.

But the method isn't dominant in and of itself. Just like a medical X-Ray, it just shows you the picture... you still have to go through the treatment. Which in our world, meanings having the resources to develop what the market wants, the fortitude to do what it takes to put it together, and the skills to organize, lead and manage PEOPLE (not just computers) if you plan to be a serious player.

For what it's worth,

Glenn :-)

Hyper Responsive Marketing Secrets

This thread has made me think being about a war room member. I thought I was getting everything here in the forums. I will look into the advantages and see if I need to join. For sure, I can afford the membership

My personal opinion was that this is a trolling type question - and it certainly worked.

As you get older you learn many things that you didn't know as a youngster. A few of those things are that 1) people find the money for the things they really want 2) that people spend money on what they're serious about 3) people are lazy, seldom follow advice, look for agreement rather than change 4) who says something is often more important than what is being said.

Joining the WR is one filter that allows quick decisions about all of those things. Whining about not being able to PM, and so forth, not getting advice, discrimination all proves the point. In a time crunched over worked world we don't have time for that nonsense. I for one use the WR membership as one way of reducing that noise and helping those that I think will actually use what is offered to them. Life isn't fair and we all use filters of some sort - unless of course you're financially independent and just a philanthropist with both your time and coin. If so PM me I've got plenty of stuff you can do for free.

I normally do not care (or even notice) whether someone is a warrior member or not. If they have a question, I try to help.