What Do Newbies really, really want...

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Hi guys,

This is a question for the newbie marketer really though anyone who is more advanced is welcome to chip in if they have any input...

As someone who is just starting online marketing, what do you consider to be your greatest need to help both motivate and assist you.

For instance if you belonged to a membership site that was "geared" towards the newbie marketer, what would be the type of thing you would both expect and want to find in there.

Cheers
Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
    Newbies really want to hear about easy ways to make tons of money with no investment and very little effort.

    That's the ideal sweet-spot to aim for with a WSO. Sure, it's impossible to actually deliver that, but make your sales pitch sound like that is what you are offering, and you will make a lot of money...

    LOL !!!!
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    So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Ha ha nice one, I guess many of them do.

      I always think its sad when folks fall for the sales pitch where it's made out to be so easy as many of them are often down to their last dollar

      Originally Posted by FredFarnes View Post

      Newbies really want to hear about easy ways to make tons of money with no investment and very little effort.

      That's the ideal sweet-spot to aim for with a WSO. Sure, it's impossible to actually deliver that, but make your sales pitch sound like that is what you are offering, and you will make a lot of money...

      LOL !!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author warrick
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        Ha ha nice one, I guess many of them do.

        I always think its sad when folks fall for the sales pitch where it's made out to be so easy as many of them are often down to their last dollar
        Haha yeah there still is a significant number who would fall for the 'make money for little investment and no work' pitch. Nonetheless, IM has been around for a while and this type of pitch has been heard countless times that its reliability has already diminished in value. Some people see it as a hoax as much as some pitches aren't.

        I am a newbie and what I have found so far is that IM is so far very enriching. The monetary incentive is a nice to have but more importantly, its the process of learning and discovering that excites. I am not saying that the money is not important. It is important to sustain your lifestyle and your business. Nonetheless, I believe there are many internet marketeers out there who stay in IM because they get to find the best of both worlds - the monetary incentive and the personal satisfaction of this dynamic environment. I also believe that there are true IM gurus out there who take that extra step - sharing with the rest about IM because it gives them greater satisfaction to share their passion.

        I am very glad that I have joined the Warrior Forum as this webspace has thus far been the most reliable and most enriching IM source.
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      • Profile picture of the author francoza
        Newbies always want quick rich scheme. They want that some one give the proven formula so that they dont have to do anything or struggle. They hate to waste their time and want to make $1000 from day one
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        • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
          Originally Posted by francoza View Post

          Newbies always want quick rich scheme. They want that some one give the proven formula so that they dont have to do anything or struggle. They hate to waste their time and want to make $1000 from day one
          This certainly isn't the truth about all newbies. I've coached newbies who wanted everything handed to them and done for them, and I've coached newbies who'd do anything, including work very hard, just to have someone show them the way.
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by francoza View Post

          Newbies always want quick rich scheme. They want that some one give the proven formula so that they dont have to do anything or struggle. They hate to waste their time and want to make $1000 from day one
          Not necessarily so francoza. It depends on what kind of newbie one is. I can't remember why I first came on the Warrior Forum but when I did I was a total newbie in regard to Adsense. So I started hanging out on the Adsense forum here. But from day one I never, ever wanted a get rich quick scheme. I wanted a sure fire and tested way to make income from my work. Hard work was okay with me.

          I am still a relative newbie. Adsense still seems like a viable way to make a living online but man oh man it was a lot more work than I figured. The payoff is peanuts for all the work involved.

          I am keeping my eyes open for other ways to make an income. I've kinda settled on building a list or affiliate marketing.

          My problem and what I am looking for is some way to weed through all the possibilities out there to settle on one that WILL work and reasonably well without having to live in front of my computer 16 hours a day.

          For most newbie's what I am doing being married to my computer is just not doable. They need clarity of direction a lot more than I do because they have so much less time to waste.

          I'm married but physically separated from my wife. No kids. So no family to distract me at this point in time. My expenses are either all taken care of through various deals I have made or are extremely minimal so I have lots of time to devote to this. And I can fail and pick myself up and keep at it. The only thing I have really lost is some time.

          I am a web developer and can build whatever I want and set my mind to over the Internet. Again my biggest need is to wade through all the possibilities and pick something that will work. I don't care about hard work. That's my middle name LOL.

          Most people don't have the luxury of having the time I do on my hands.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author carlos123
            Oh one other thing that came to mind in addition to what others have said here.

            It's not just information and techniques and stuff like that.

            It's also more the psychology of online success. For example one of my biggest struggles has absolutely not one thing to do with technical stuff. I have that side of things pretty much sowed up.

            It's having to deal with the fear of success or perhaps failure.

            For me that's been a biggie at times. Not always but sometimes it's been a big struggle for me.

            You see if I don't do what it takes when getting close to success then success is always still there in front of me as a real possibility. But if I try and fail there is nothing left.

            So sometimes I just don't do what I know I should. I am afraid to succeed or rather to do what I must do such that I may end up failing with no success in sight left.

            It's easier at times for me to procrastinate, watch TV, or even do good things that are not on target as a way of not having to face the possibility that success might not be possible around the next corner.

            So as a newbie marketer, which I still consider myself to be more or less, it would be helpful to hear about people with a similar struggle sharing their own struggle and what techniques they used to overcome their own fears.

            Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    Kim

    I can remember when I first stumbled upon IM. I had a business background but all this online stuff... well, I could see the potential but I didn't know where to start.

    (This might not be what you're looking for, but in the spirit of brainstorming...)

    In an ideal world I wanted some kind of flow diagram/questionnaire, a program maybe, that would ask me a series of questions to asses my knowledge, skills, needs and wants, and would then spit out a few options for which direction I could go in, even suggesting niches to explore.

    It would also give me a 'kit list' of all the tools I'd need and people I'd need to speak to etc, all aligned to the answers I gave in the questionnaire.

    I remember thinking, if such a service existed then,

    1. I'd pay a fair bit for it
    2. It would clarify so much in terms of how best to use my experience
    3. Focus my attention instead of flitting from idea to idea
    4. Give me oodles of confidence to enter the marketplace.

    But that's just me. I'm lazy and I wanted a bit of software to analyse my brain and tell me where the money was!

    So, how do you fancy developing that?

    Peter
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    • Profile picture of the author caseyzeman
      Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

      Kim

      I can remember when I first stumbled upon IM. I had a business background but all this online stuff... well, I could see the potential but I didn't know where to start.

      (This might not be what you're looking for, but in the spirit of brainstorming...)

      In an ideal world I wanted some kind of flow diagram/questionnaire, a program maybe, that would ask me a series of questions to asses my knowledge, skills, needs and wants, and would then spit out a few options for which direction I could go in, even suggesting niches to explore.

      It would also give me a 'kit list' of all the tools I'd need and people I'd need to speak to etc, all aligned to the answers I gave in the questionnaire.

      I remember thinking, if such a service existed then,

      1. I'd pay a fair bit for it
      2. It would clarify so much in terms of how best to use my experience
      3. Focus my attention instead of flitting from idea to idea
      4. Give me oodles of confidence to enter the marketplace.

      But that's just me. I'm lazy and I wanted a bit of software to analyse my brain and tell me where the money was!

      So, how do you fancy developing that?

      Peter
      Hi Peter it is funny you are saying that because that is what i have in development right now. A source that helps you discover what it is you want to ultimately do online through a personal analysis. Then giving you the tools to implement your business. Most newcomers don't quite know what they are going to market. They start like 4 or 5 different businesses when they need to focus on one.

      The place where I started was at ChrisFarrellMembership. Chris' membership is a site designed for the newbie. He goes through every step of the process of creating a website, getting your autoresponder, every technical aspect you can think of, and then teaching you how to market your business. He also teaches you how to create a product and his forum is an awesome tool for general questions. He also has free hosting available for unlimited websites. This is the kind of membership site that is designed for the newbie. One should model off of this site if they want to attract the beginners in the business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    You want not just a proven plan, but a complete plan.

    First, you want to know that what you are going to do is something that actually works. You don't want to spend your time spinning your wheels doing things that just aren't going to work.

    By that same token, you don't want any essential steps left out. That is, sometimes you get plans and such that are missing something--and that something may be the thing necessary to really kick things into gear and make it successful.

    I think the two sticking points for most people are keyword research and traffic generation. Keyword research is often something that is glossed over or not really covered in-depth. Traffic generation is similar, with the main problem often being that not enough is done to show people how to generate quality traffic as opposed to just traffic in general.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    The problem you're going to have with this is that "newbie" isn't a niche by itself. It's too vague when applied to something as diverse as IM, because honestly, what a newbie does NOT need is a membership site with how to material.

    They need more broadly educational items and sort of survey of options material so they can truly build a realistic plan based on what they can and desire to do, and what's possible with the resources they have to invest.

    Of course that's what they NEED, not what they want.

    They want something that can verify their hopes and deliver results with little to no effort, just as someone else said. Hopefully they will shake that expectation quickly without getting too fleeced in the process.

    But back to your point, it's HARD to guess what will work best for a given person. Product creation and blogging and writing are all easy for me. I would hate struggling to make PPC affiliate sales work. Too fiddly for my tastes. But there's no way of knowing me from a very different newbie without some differentiation.
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  • Profile picture of the author LK
    What I want (I'm a newbie ;D):

    1) Success stories (from people who've actually done it)!!
    What really keeps me going is reading the words of people who've actually managed to make money in this industry!
    They have to be genuine or be it a lie, it has to be so well spun that I will NOT be able to see through it.

    2) Kind of related to the above but, I like materials with realistic "outcomes". What I mean by that is, a thread with the title "I went from $0/month to $5000/day in one week. NOW YOU CAN TOO!!!" sounds good and I'll probably click the link and drift away in a beautiful daydream where I'm already boarding the plane heading for somewhere exotic....and then I snap back into reality, realize there is no way I can go from $0~$5k in a week when I don't know anything about IM to begin with and I close the window. If the headline had said "$0 ~ $100/day ... " I would still drift away, but I'd come back to read the thread.
    (In other words, what I want is for the initial impression be believable).

    3) Again, related to above. When I can sense that the writer (creator) of the material is inconsistent in what they're saying, I'm out. If I sense even the slightest amount of BS I'll be hesitant to believe ANYTHING they're saying from there on.
    (So, what I WANT is for the author/creator to actually practice what they preach. And be CONSISTENT!!!)

    4) I want a walkthrough. Hold my hand and tell me what the words you're using mean, what websites to use (give me the URLs, NOT just the names of the websites) what programs to buy (and the price) and last but most importantly HOW TO DO WHATEVER YOU'RE TELLING ME TO DO!
    Don't just tell me "assess the SOC. If it's not too high, go for it". Reading that, as a complete newbie, I'm left thinking "ok.... .... ....wait... WHAT?!"

    5) Again, I'm a newbie, remember that I'm buying your material because I don't know anything. I want help and I think YOU can provide it! Don't let me down!



    If I come up with more ideas as to what newbies really want, I'll post them here. Please ask if you have any questions =)
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    • Profile picture of the author kcom
      One or two simple tips a day per topic, not tonnes of free stuff, the information is too overwhelming. Keep it straight forward and simple. Also the more from your personal experience the better.
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    • Profile picture of the author iVentureBiz
      Originally Posted by LK View Post

      What I want (I'm a newbie ;D):

      1) Success stories (from people who've actually done it)!!
      What really keeps me going is reading the words of people who've actually managed to make money in this industry!
      They have to be genuine or be it a lie, it has to be so well spun that I will NOT be able to see through it.

      2) Kind of related to the above but, I like materials with realistic "outcomes". What I mean by that is, a thread with the title "I went from $0/month to $5000/day in one week. NOW YOU CAN TOO!!!" sounds good and I'll probably click the link and drift away in a beautiful daydream where I'm already boarding the plane heading for somewhere exotic....and then I snap back into reality, realize there is no way I can go from $0~$5k in a week when I don't know anything about IM to begin with and I close the window. If the headline had said "$0 ~ $100/day ... " I would still drift away, but I'd come back to read the thread.
      (In other words, what I want is for the initial impression be believable).

      3) Again, related to above. When I can sense that the writer (creator) of the material is inconsistent in what they're saying, I'm out. If I sense even the slightest amount of BS I'll be hesitant to believe ANYTHING they're saying from then on.
      (So, what I WANT is for the author/creator to actually practice what they preach. And be CONSISTENT!!!)

      4) I want a walkthrough. Hold my hand and tell me what the words you're using mean, what websites to use (give me the URLs, NOT just the names of the websites) what programs to buy (and the price) and last but most importantly HOW TO DO WHATEVER YOU'RE TELLING ME TO DO!
      Don't just tell me "assess the SOC. If it's not too high, go for it". Reading that, as a complete newbie, I'm left thinking "ok.... .... ....wait... WHAT?!"

      5) As a newbie, remember that I'm buying your material because I don't know anything. I want help and I think YOU can provide it! Don't let me down!



      If I come up with more ideas as to what newbies really want, I'll post them here. Please ask if you have any questions =)
      Great post! That's exactly what I've tried to do with my product because it's pretty much how I felt when I started too! I wanted to give newbies that great starter package so that for once they would finally feel the satisfaction of being able actually FEEL that success was actually achievable for them...

      You know, it's really kind of amazing how no matter what our incomes are now - when we all start, we all start from pretty much the same place wanting the same thing.

      The only problem is that about 90% of the newbie population have no idea what they really want other than to "make tons of cash"... And often times they settle on the first smooth talking sales pitch that looks cool...

      (Which is why some of the best info products out there are often under-rated.)

      And it's really sad because most of these people are just everyday people that are honestly just looking for a better life and are willing to do what it takes - but in the end just get taken for a ride on a hyped up sales pitch simple because it toys with their emotions by making huge promised of great wealth.

      Then when they get the product they're disappointed because all along it was just some cheap re-hash info from collected free articles all put together by some guy for $5 an hour.

      And the cycle starts over...
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      • Profile picture of the author bwh1
        The only problem is that about 90% of the newbie population have no idea what they really want other than to "make tons of cash"...
        That's exactly why over hyped sales pitches make money - because they get that a Newbie don't know what they want and works or doesn't - so the main driver is........

        Resolving a Problem/Dream - in 99% of all cases it's that they need money

        So while I LOVE this thread and think it's a good issue to talk about, it's actually a silly question just as if I would ask you to translate for me the phrase (in Portuguese)....

        Bom Dia, qual é a cor da sua calça preferida ?

        You have no clue what this means if you never studied Portuguese.

        So the correct question should be -

        What do you expect from a product which promises to make you money online ? Which way you would like to learn the steps to get there ?

        Anyhow, you get 1000 different answers if you ask 1000 Newbies.

        Just my 2cts.

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  • Profile picture of the author rlharding
    I think it's unfair to generalize. Not all newbies expect they can get rich quick without doing any work. And, I would suspect those of us that do have been sold on the hype that it is indeed possible to start one day and earn enough to quit work the next week.

    I think there are diverse categories of newbies. Those that need to make as much money as they can quickly (just laid off, fired, have a new dependant, medical bills, etc) and, those that are entering the business because, like everyone else, they want to make money; however, they still have jobs or other income.

    There are lots of 'gurus' who say they make a killing without SEO and list building......so, it's not necessary to spend months learning everything. I would suggest two different approaches; one to inform newbies of the types of IM that it CAN be possible to make money quickly, and the other for those that are there for the long haul but need to have something coming in to keep their passion.

    Let's face it, at the end of the day many IMs are making a living off the back of gullible newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tinkerbell
    Kim, recently an online friend of mine and I were discussing exactly this. What I've noticed to be the one thing new marketers crave, but seasoned marketers aren't always able or willing to give is personal attention. Coaching. But very few have or are willing to spend the amount of money many marketers charge for personal mentoring.

    I came up with a short survey regarding this. I've posted it below...

    .....

    Please answer in as much detail as you feel is necessary to get your true feelings, wants, and needs across...

    If someone set up a one-on-one chat where you could talk in real time, and went step-by-step through everything you need to do to get up and running online...every bit of it WITH you, in real time...would that be helpful?

    This could be done on a regular basis, moving from the absolute starting line of getting started to choosing a market, to creating a product, to writing a sales letter, to creating your first web page and getting it online...all of it, every step -- until you were all ready to go...would you find this kind of mentoring helpful?

    If you could reach someone personally via email any time you had a question, and were assured it'd be THAT PERSON answering you when you receive a reply...would this be helpful?

    Would you want to receive a short PDF document now and then, laying out the steps you'd be going through -- just as a reference you could go back to if you needed to clarify something to yourself?

    Would you be willing to invest a small dollar amount (like $29, $39, $69 or more) each month to have access to this kind of personalized attention?

    I'm not talking a membership site, either, with a ton of text for you to go through. I mean "real" personal attention. On Skype, in chats, in your email box. One coach, with you, 100% every of the way until you make your first dollar online...does this sound like the kind of coaching/mentoring you'd be interested in?

    I could go on, trying to help you clarify what you really want and need to start your business online, from a personal mentoring/coaching arrangement, but it would be best to get all this, your every expectation, directly from you.

    Why not post your expectations below? In your post, just let it all out. Tell us what you're really looking for (short of someone flying to your house and walking you through every step in living color!)

    Please. Help us to help you.

    ....

    Now I could be wrong, but today wouldn't be the first time I've thought (from reading through various "help" threads here) that many, many newbies or beginners would love to have access to something like this, even if it's not the best or even most feasible way.

    Just my $0.02
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Let's face it, at the end of the day many IMs are making a living off the back of gullible newbies.
    Newbie = Fresh Meat
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  • Profile picture of the author JaiJay
    Something as basic as a dictionary of the acronyms used within the internet marketing world would be fabulous. I'm am a complete newbie to this so some of this chat is alien to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sink or Swim
    A lot of these points have probably been brought up while I have been typing this:

    I think a plan that works currently and will for months to come, not a method that has worked long enough for someone to post earnings screenshots but has become saturated.

    A plan that is detailed and specific, and delivers exactly what the plan promises (if the plan says "so simple a 6th grader could do," then detailed instructions that a typical 6th grader could follow, not the son of Bill Gates).

    Posts from the people that had ordered the product stating (honestly) that they put the plan into use, and the earnings they made so far (for inspiration and validity).

    For a person out of work and can't find work offline, a plan that would equate to an hourly rate equal to the amount of hours they actually worked at it (above minimum wage, hopefully).

    Oh, and overnight riches with little or no effort, your biggest money making niche, and a website set up and ranking on the first page of google that guarantees 6 figures a year or your $7 back :p

    Newbies (like me) ARE fresh meat, and for most, there are no friends when money is on the table. Although there are a lot of helpful people and information in this forum.

    I personally would like to see a successful mentor that would work with you at your own skill level, and offer to teach you to replicate their success and/or teach you to become just as successful. And in return, possibly an agreement where you would pay a percentage of your earnings for the next year or two to make it worthwhile to them. Is that possible?
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  • Profile picture of the author abpres
    Newbies are no different from anyone else. It's not the name (newbie for instance) that defines the need or desire, it's the person.

    The problem is there are some very sincere newbies and there are so-called gurus who will exploit their IM ignorance to make a buck. On the other hand, you have some very knowledgeable IM experts who are willing to share their knowledge and you have some very insincere newbies looking to make a quick buck.

    In the best of both worlds, it would be nice to see an "e-harmony" for IM...you know newbie-to-coach matching on "29 different levels of..."; well, you know the pitch.

    My point is that, as someone mentioned in an earlier post, personal attention is key. No one goes to school without a teacher and yet, IM is one of those fields that everyone (good or bad) perceives they can do without one.

    In this "matching process" the intent of both the expert and the newbie would be pre-determined to cut down on the frustration for both sides.

    IMers regardless of level of expertise should still operate with integrity. I may not be expert at IM (yet), but one thing's for sure, we shouldn't sell what we can't or aren't willing to deliver.

    Thanks for asking the question.
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    • Profile picture of the author coffeyucf
      Newbies want something that simply does not exist. They want fast, cheap, and easy.

      It reminds me of a sign a saw in a mechanic shop once:

      "Fast, cheap, and fixed right. Choose two". "Fast is not going to be cheap and cheap is not going to be fast"

      The same is true for IM. If you choose cheap it's not going to be fast or easy. And if you want fast it's no going to be cheap.

      When the money doesn't coming flying in from doing nothing. Newbies will often label a product a 'scam'. The truth is there a very few IM products that I've seen that are actual 'scams'.

      Maybe the information isn't exactly what they wanted or expected but it's usually all good info. The big thing is they'll say this isn't easy as it sounded or I've heard this all before.

      But that doesn't make it a 'scam'. Warning when you see headline that says, "Make $XX in XX time".

      It doesn't mean it's not true. But always assume there is some work to get to that point. Information is helpful but it only get's you so far. Hard work and commitment gets you to your dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Thanks for the input guys, a lot of stuff to chew on.

    What I'm not noticing though (unless I'm missing it), is anyone discussing the tools they need to get up and running online and more importantly how to use them.

    Tools such as XSP, Dreamweaver, wordpress and lots of other stuff.

    When I first started online back in 2002, I had absolutely no idea how to use anything like this. I'm just wondering if this is one of the stumbling blocks newbie marketer's face as well

    Kim

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    It disturbs me that a lot of people are catagorising "Newbie Marketers" as people who want quick fast and easy etc with no work. Let's be fair and state there are a lot of folks out there who are willing to put the work in
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      What I'm not noticing though (unless I'm missing it), is anyone discussing the tools they need to get up and running online and more importantly how to use them.

      Tools such as XSP, Dreamweaver, wordpress and lots of other stuff.

      When I first started online back in 2002, I had absolutely no idea how to use anything like this. I'm just wondering if this is one of the stumbling blocks newbie marketer's face as well
      Good point. That's why I included sample websites with my eCourse. That way, they have something they can take a look at and dig into. On top of that, I tried to make some of the sites as easy as possible for them to edit with their own info and put to use. Dreamweaver not required; they can use any text editor.

      If they're comfortable "getting their hands dirty", they don't need stuff like Dreamweaver, at least not until they're at the point they can afford it. Until then, they can get by with a text editor, like Notepad, and edit straight HTML code.

      The hard part, I think, is figuring out what people don't know. For example, when I look at the WordPress installation instructions, they're so easy. Just go through step by step and you're done. Yet, that's an area where people still have problems.

      I think they get stuck at FTP...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Ahh but...

        If you asked me to edit straight html into notepad etc, I'd make a complete bollox of it.

        Some of us just aint wired to do stuff like that, they invented wysiwyg just for people like me and thein lies one of the big problems for many newbies

        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post


        Until then, they can get by with a text editor, like Notepad, and edit straight HTML code.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          Ahh but...

          If you asked me to edit straight html into notepad etc, I'd make a complete bollox of it.

          Some of us just aint wired to do stuff like that, they invented wysiwyg just for people like me and thein lies one of the big problems for many newbies
          I tried to make it deceptively simple. Stuff like replacing "YOUR NAME" with, um, your name.

          Plus, if you do a backup first (or don't toss the original zip file so you can get the original, untouched version back), you can always go back and try again.
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          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          yeah I could manage that I think lol
          And how far you've come... I bow to your psychic powers of replying to my thread before I posted it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            I'm good huh

            lol I edited it into the wrong reply (obviously)

            Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

            And how far you've come... I bow to your psychic powers of replying to my thread before I posted it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              Newbies want what works. An empire and most likely a six figure plus empire. They want it all. Afterall that is what is marketed to them so what else could they want when they are told about all these huge mumbers. With this they need support, guidance, skills and that's where they then need a mentor. They also need money to invest in projects and contacts that help them get projects up and running.
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    • Profile picture of the author xanydu
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      Thanks for the input guys, a lot of stuff to chew on.

      What I'm not noticing though (unless I'm missing it), is anyone discussing the tools they need to get up and running online and more importantly how to use them.

      Tools such as XSP, Dreamweaver, wordpress and lots of other stuff.

      When I first started online back in 2002, I had absolutely no idea how to use anything like this. I'm just wondering if this is one of the stumbling blocks newbie marketer's face as well

      Kim

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      It disturbs me that a lot of people are catagorising "Newbie Marketers" as people who want quick fast and easy etc with no work. Let's be fair and state there are a lot of folks out there who are willing to put the work in
      Hi Kim

      You make a very valid point, I class myself as a "Newbie" in terms of marketing but have been around the Internet for a while as a web designer. So whilst I don't need help with design, domains, hosting etc there are other areas such as SEO, linking mastering wordpress and relevant plugins that leave me stranded.

      However all that said, whilst some newbies are looking for quick bucks fast a lot more of us are realistic enough to know any worthwhile business needs to be built up and developed. What I personally would like is someone to layout a simple blueprint of steps to follow to get started plus the order to do them in, and I don't mean in video format because no matter how popular they are theres only so much hype and false simplification I can watch, I like something I can print out and follow.

      In regard to your forum it would be nice to have moderators who were tolerant enough to answer simple questions such as for example how to do social bookmarking. Whilst the bigger plan is often explained the details on how to do the smaller things are often left out, and the tools to do them with are not explained very well. Its no good telling me xy & z tool will do this all automatically I want to know what it is doing?

      Sorry got a bit carried away but tis a topic close to heart at the moment, and I am so over buying programs that promise step by step detail and deliver rubbish or methodology that even I know is out of date and has been exhausted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    I wanted a two part, step-by-step blueprint with every single step spelled out in excruciating detail.

    The two parts...

    1) How to make *SOME* money now. Cash in my pocket in less than a week. Could have been as little as 50 bucks a day, but something...so that I could be done with my past life and work full time on...

    2) How to build the long-term business of my dreams. The kind every IM'er and their grandmothers promise will eventually make me "$1,000 a day!"


    Even though $1,000 a day sells a hell of a lot better than $50 a day, it was the fact that they all warned me it would take a month or two to ramp up to real earning that made me waver. I never felt like I could start until I could commit, but I never felt like I could commit until I could quit my old life...and of course I never felt like I could quit my old life until I could replace the lost income.

    Any blueprint offering an easy "quick cash" solution, followed by a thorough "long term, big money" promise would have been a godsend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I think something else we tend to do as newbies as well is procrastinate.

    I remember urging a friend of mine several years ago to get her very first website up but she wouldn't do it for ages because it wasn't perfect enough.

    Thing is, it doesn't matter what it looks like, get it up anyway so it can be indexed then you can start to tart it up. (Well that's my philosphy anyway)

    yeah I could manage that I think lol
    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

    I tried to make it deceptively simple. Stuff like replacing "YOUR NAME" with, um, your name.

    Plus, if you do a backup first (or don't toss the original zip file so you can get the original, untouched version back), you can always go back and try again.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaiJay
    Thank you to the links for the acronym definitions guys, they've proven useful already!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      The question is impossible to answer and here's why. I am speaking from
      over 7 years experience of dealing almost primarily with people either new to
      the Internet and/or making money online.

      I have found you can classify new people into the following groups.

      Group 1 - The new person who doesn't know anything and has no
      expectations. This person would be thrilled to make a couple of hundred
      dollars a month to pay a few bills. They are willing to work and do whatever
      it takes. This person just wants a system that will give them this income
      or at least a process to follow.

      Group 2 - Same as group 1 but with this difference. Person has no time
      or patience to do a ton of work. Has a full time job and just wants to come
      home and type a few things into his computer and make a few bucks.
      This person wants a plug and play system...period. No work involved.

      Group 3 - Same as group 1 but wants a large income.

      Group 4 - Same as group 2 but wants a large income. These are the
      laziest and the most unrealistic of the bunch. I don't even bother with
      these folks when they write to me and tell me that they want to make
      about $5,000 a month but don't want to do too much work.

      Group 5 - This group wants you to hold them by the hand and tell them
      every little thing what to do. They'll do the work but they don't want to
      think on their own. They are willing to pay for your services. Will settle
      for a small income

      Group 6 - Same as group 5 but they want this for free. Come to think of
      it, this group is even lazier than group 4 in some respects.

      Group 7 - Same as group 5 but wants a large income.

      Group 8 - Same as group 6 but wants a large income.

      Group 9 - These are the minorities. The people who are new but somehow
      know enough that they actually have specific things that they feel they
      need to learn because they are having trouble with those things, such as
      web design, FTP, WordPress, SEO, Article Writing and so on. These people,
      as a sub group, can also fall into any of the first 8 groups initially, but
      they've gone beyond that point and have made it to a place where they
      are more focused. Income desires and work ethic willingness vary greatly
      in this group, which greatly affects how well you're going to do with them.

      For example, one may want to learn Dreamweaver but won't be willing to
      put the time into doing it while another will dive headlong into it until they
      master it.

      I'd break down the percentages of each group, as I have run into them
      over the years, but to do that, I'd have to go back into my file for each
      person I ever worked with or communicated with (yes, I keep all my back
      data and notes to refer to for the purpose of product creation) but I
      just don't have the time or desire to do this at this time.

      Point is, newbie is such a vast term that there is just no way to answer
      your question because the truth is, if you take all the new people who are
      still struggling to earn a living online and surveyed them, you would find
      that they fall into one of those 9 groups somewhere...which ultimately
      means, newbies in general want everything.

      Anyway, hope this helps.

      Certainly brought me back to a lot of good and not so good times over
      the past 7 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author remotedb
      Well, in my case, I'm not looking to get rich quick, or frankly to get rich at all. Not looking for a no-work approach either. I currently have a good job and a few bucks to invest in this (and I do mean a few), but I'm preparing for my retirement from IT so I can live overseas and be with my daughter who is being taken away from me in a divorce. Since I'm a US citizen it's extremely difficult for me to get a visa to emmigrate unless I have my own means of support. So in my case, my motivation is not solely monetary, it's out of a desire to be able to see my child, and frankly I have no other agenda.

      Having said that, I'm looking at it as a full time job that I will be doing, and like any business I'll be very surprised if I spend less than 12 hours a day working at it. So what group do I fall into? I don't know.

      But to answer the original thread question, my greatest need is accurate information about the surprising details that can often spring up like getting sandboxed or whether you are penalized for certain kinds of SEO techniques. SEO related technicalities. I think that's the stuff I usually need assistance with.
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  • Profile picture of the author rlharding
    I'd like to get rich quick but I still have only made $1.19 in the 6 months or so I have been at this. As Kim mentioned, I am procrastinating BIG time because I am afraid to take the next step I guess. While I don't have any money to hire people to do things I realise I also can't afford to do thing myself. Not just from the financial position but also from the position of 'if I have to do it it won't get done properly'. I am sitting on thousands of public domain products because I 'don't know how to offer it' Talk about procrastination! I just spent a few hours researching for more when I had sat down specifically to take real action!! LOL!

    What I find lacking is basic instructions. I know nothing about the technical side of things so even though many indicate you don't have to spend a lot of money, the lack of detailed info is forcing me to do this. As an example, there are some fabulous free WP themes and gizmos around.............but no detailed info about what to do with them. Saying 'load it to your site' doesn't mean anything. What are the actual steps. Even in documentation that purports to give you the step by step instructions the basics are left out....or, the language is knowledge dependent. You have to understand computers and programming to know what is meant.

    So....it's late and I may come across as garbled so I will recap:

    1) Precise/minute details of how to do something.
    2) Visible mentors in specific categories - some -one to email if you have a problem
    3) Product reviews so we know what crap and not waste time/money on.
    4) Product reviews on what is great
    5) The ongoing encouragement that many give every day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Ahh this was the sort of thing I had in mind. the really basic stuff, its what I sucked at too when I first started and I think it's a stumbling block for many

      Originally Posted by rlharding View Post

      I'd like to get rich quick but I still have only made $1.19 in the 6 months or so I have been at this. As Kim mentioned, I am procrastinating BIG time because I am afraid to take the next step I guess. While I don't have any money to hire people to do things I realise I also can't afford to do thing myself. Not just from the financial position but also from the position of 'if I have to do it it won't get done properly'. I am sitting on thousands of public domain products because I 'don't know how to offer it' Talk about procrastination! I just spent a few hours researching for more when I had sat down specifically to take real action!! LOL!

      What I find lacking is basic instructions. I know nothing about the technical side of things so even though many indicate you don't have to spend a lot of money, the lack of detailed info is forcing me to do this. As an example, there are some fabulous free WP themes and gizmos around.............but no detailed info about what to do with them. Saying 'load it to your site' doesn't mean anything. What are the actual steps. Even in documentation that purports to give you the step by step instructions the basics are left out....or, the language is knowledge dependent. You have to understand computers and programming to know what is meant.

      So....it's late and I may come across as garbled so I will recap:

      1) Precise/minute details of how to do something.
      2) Visible mentors in specific categories - some -one to email if you have a problem
      3) Product reviews so we know what crap and not waste time/money on.
      4) Product reviews on what is great
      5) The ongoing encouragement that many give every day.

      I agree with you up to a point, but in my experience I've found people not only want the fish, they want it battering and frying as well

      It's why so many biz in a box models do so well.

      Kim

      Originally Posted by Mr.Sinister View Post

      They want free fish.

      Jesus said it is better to teach a man to fish, then to give him a fish and feed him for a day. And this feel right, doesn't it?

      It's not long after you teach that man to fish, he'll start digging his own pond. And after his pond is dug, and stocked with all the fish he could ever eat -- along will come a beggar seeing the man has an excess of fish and ask for one, and the cycle repeats.

      Thus, the internet newbies are like the beggars, and the "experts" are like the fisherman. We're here to teach them, nothing is free. No ebook will make them rich. If we really want to do them a service, we must emphasis practice and patience. No free fish here.

      -_- Mr.Sinister
      Kay I didn't touch FTP for a couple of years. (It was far too hard) I think it was Martin Avis who made me get off my ass and sort it out, I was gobsmacked that it was so easy

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Kim -

      I was thinking back to when I was a newbie. I had taught myself through online tutorials how to build a site and I was finally done - and had no clue how to get the site from my computer to online. To me, FTP was magic and I was no magician.

      The best help I ever got was a list of "where to go". I wish I still had it but I don't.

      The person had compiled the best instructions found online for about a hundred things newbies run into.

      For example:

      keyword would have sites explaining keyword use as well as the urls for the best free keyword tools at the time

      ftp - would give sites where you could download reliable program

      It was amazing - almost any small obstacle I ran into was on that list.

      Best free WYSIWYG site builders
      Best how-to-set-up-a-blog instructions
      etc


      kay
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate C
    Newbies want quality information.They do not want to sift through a whole lot of stuff just to get to the meat. The information should be well set out so that it is easy to follow and understand. Do not give them too much at the same time. This will create information overload so they will not gain anything from it.

    Do not make false promises. Let them know exactly what it will take for them to succeed. Do not make it seem like they can achieve success overnight because if this does not happen, they will not only be discouraged but will not trust you or anything else you may offer in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenboss
      Ooops!! I think I'm in ALL NINE of Steve W.'s groups!
      (or have been at one time or another!)
      I seem to be sticking on to group 9, however....
      Feels like I've been in it for years, though. :rolleyes:

      Seriously, this is a great thread, and I'm really impressed by the conciseness of so many of the answers --- very useful for future product creators.

      The main lesson here: Information alone is not enough! I have always found that too many product authors lack the ability (or the willingness!) to really put themselves in place of the reader. You've got to make the journey with them, ensuring that each step is clear. This is SO important, and it's true for all levels of teaching/training, not just the newbie level.

      I think this is why video demos are so popular, because it's much harder to leave something out if you have to actually do it onscreen.

      For myself I have always preferred too much information to too little.
      I have no problem with skipping over the stuff I already know, but if some vital piece of procedure, terminology or reference isn't there, I can't make make it appear out of thin air. That can be extremely frustrating, especially if you can't procede further without it.

      Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author cerebus
    As a newbie i would like to see some sort of structure to follow in the beginning. Like obtaining the base of the trade. For instance, i look into something and then while looking into "X" i stumble into "Y" and then while looking into "Y" i stumble into "Z" and so on. i spend hours trying to read but i end up getting lost as there is so many information available.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      1) Success stories (from people who've actually done it)!!
      What really keeps me going is reading the words of people who've actually managed to make money in this industry!
      They have to be genuine or be it a lie, it has to be so well spun that I will NOT be able to see through it.

      2) Kind of related to the above but, I like materials with realistic "outcomes". What I mean by that is, a thread with the title "I went from $0/month to $5000/day in one week. NOW YOU CAN TOO!!!" sounds good and I'll probably click the link and drift away in a beautiful daydream where I'm already boarding the plane heading for somewhere exotic....and then I snap back into reality, realize there is no way I can go from $0~$5k in a week when I don't know anything about IM to begin with and I close the window. If the headline had said "$0 ~ $100/day ... " I would still drift away, but I'd come back to read the thread.
      (In other words, what I want is for the initial impression be believable).

      3) Again, related to above. When I can sense that the writer (creator) of the material is inconsistent in what they're saying, I'm out. If I sense even the slightest amount of BS I'll be hesitant to believe ANYTHING they're saying from there on.
      (So, what I WANT is for the author/creator to actually practice what they preach. And be CONSISTENT!!!)

      4) I want a walkthrough. Hold my hand and tell me what the words you're using mean, what websites to use (give me the URLs, NOT just the names of the websites) what programs to buy (and the price) and last but most importantly HOW TO DO WHATEVER YOU'RE TELLING ME TO DO!
      Don't just tell me "assess the SOC. If it's not too high, go for it". Reading that, as a complete newbie, I'm left thinking "ok.... .... ....wait... WHAT?!"

      5) Again, I'm a newbie, remember that I'm buying your material because I don't know anything. I want help and I think YOU can provide it! Don't let me down!
      But what you NEED is to get your hands dirty. Learn to search and dig to find what you want. Learn the techniques of building a site or blog and keeping it up. Learn to ftp, to do keyword research.

      I understand what you are saying but it's self defeating. There's a risk of following one person after another and then being disappointed every time but is that because the information is bad? Or because you don't think you can do it so you don't give it a full out try?

      So many of the tasks to learn are simple - but many new marketers either want to be led or want to watch others do things.

      It's like swimming. You can understand the theory and learn the motions but until you hit the water you don't know what you are capable of. You may sink but come up for air and and start swimming. You can't learn it all by watching others - only by hitting the water yourself.

      The first advice I give a new marketer is "stop reading sales pages" - second is "stop buying stuff". Learn enough first to know what you need and what you want to do. Then buy or join what you need for YOUR plan.

      If you try to do something online and fail - what's the worst that can happen?

      kay
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Kim -

        I was thinking back to when I was a newbie. I had taught myself through online tutorials how to build a site and I was finally done - and had no clue how to get the site from my computer to online. To me, FTP was magic and I was no magician.

        The best help I ever got was a list of "where to go". I wish I still had it but I don't.

        The person had compiled the best instructions found online for about a hundred things newbies run into.

        For example:

        keyword would have sites explaining keyword use as well as the urls for the best free keyword tools at the time

        ftp - would give sites where you could download reliable program

        It was amazing - almost any small obstacle I ran into was on that list.

        Best free WYSIWYG site builders
        Best how-to-set-up-a-blog instructions
        etc


        kay
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        • Profile picture of the author Sevin
          Although I'm making money through PPC, I still consider myself a noob, and what I want the most is more details.

          Not necessarily step-by-step instructions, but lists. Like, "These are the article sites you need to check out," "These are the software programs you'll need," "These are the keyword research tools you'll need," "These are the affiliate programs you should check out," etc. etc.

          I don't want to be led by the hand, but I always try to find out and bookmark the sites and software successful IM visit and use.
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      • Profile picture of the author LK
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        But what you NEED is to get your hands dirty. Learn to search and dig to find what you want. Learn the techniques of building a site or blog and keeping it up. Learn to ftp, to do keyword research.

        I understand what you are saying but it's self defeating. There's a risk of following one person after another and then being disappointed every time but is that because the information is bad? Or because you don't think you can do it so you don't give it a full out try?

        So many of the tasks to learn are simple - but many new marketers either want to be led or want to watch others do things.

        It's like swimming. You can understand the theory and learn the motions but until you hit the water you don't know what you are capable of. You may sink but come up for air and and start swimming. You can't learn it all by watching others - only by hitting the water yourself.

        The first advice I give a new marketer is "stop reading sales pages" - second is "stop buying stuff". Learn enough first to know what you need and what you want to do. Then buy or join what you need for YOUR plan.

        If you try to do something online and fail - what's the worst that can happen?

        kay
        To reuse your metaphor, I agree, that it's important to learn how to swim yourself rather than just know the theory behind. But at the same time I think it's important that you have some kind of basis. You don't just push a person, who've never been in the water before and knows nothing about swimming, out into the deep end of the pool, hoping they'll succeed.

        But I understand your point, and I do agree with you that one can't be spoon fed EVERYTHING. I do, however, think it's important, when you're starting out, that you have somebody open your eyes to some of the many aspects of IM there are, as well as let you in on some of their methods. Something that can be easily replicated by the newbie (but of course something that won't hurt the author/creator of the material in doing so).

        When you're just starting out you risk falling into a big time-sucking hole trying reinventing the wheel.
        I guess this goes back to Kim's original post (which is good as I feel like I kind of strayed off topic) but as a newbie you want a system that already works.
        You don't want to just flail your arms about in darkness, hoping to hit the light switch at one point. You want somebody to show you the switch, tell you that up means on and down means off.
        THEN you can be left alone on your own. You can choose to keep using the same switch. Along the way you might realize you want to invent your own type of switch, that turns off when you clap your hands. Or you might start wondering about the mechanisms behind the switch. Electricity, hmm.... It can turn on this light bulb, what more can it do? And what more can I do with it?

        But you have to start somewhere, and it's a lot more efficient having somebody tell you where.
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    ^^ I am also a newbie. This topic makes me really feel at home.
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  • Profile picture of the author theunknownthem
    When it's made to sound too good to be true, I leave. That's how I found WF, by researching all these programs to follow and make easy money.

    I got here and ran over with information and not knowing where to start. Unfortunately I haven't gotten started very well as Gatorhost is not playing nice with my ftp client and I can't get files uploaded.

    I saw plans and everything, but getting into niches is still evading me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    I'm seeing a lot of replies suggesting what newbies 'need'. Kim's question was, what do they 'want'.

    It's present in all markets, but any market that deals with new, uninformed customers will find that the gap between what they 'want' and what they 'need' is often a chasm.

    It's all too easy to sit in a more informed position and say they 'need': a focused action plan, a winning mindset, a mentor etc But, if they don't know that's what they 'need' and it's not necessarily what they 'want', they you won't engage them.

    The challenge is identifying, what they perceive to be is, their wants, provide that and inform/sell them their needs. Classic marketing 101.

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  • Profile picture of the author blackcat123
    Newbies should really have the "willingness to learn". Most of them think that they will get everything for free. But it is wrong. that is where most of people give up. They must be dedicated and enthusiastic on what they are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

    Hi guys,

    This is a question for the newbie marketer really though anyone who is more advanced is welcome to chip in if they have any input...

    As someone who is just starting online marketing, what do you consider to be your greatest need to help both motivate and assist you.

    For instance if you belonged to a membership site that was "geared" towards the newbie marketer, what would be the type of thing you would both expect and want to find in there.

    Cheers
    Kim
    My answer . . . formulas which WORK. ie. which define what is needed precisely enough for anyone who actually does it to get the expected results. In my experience, the products offered (whether free or paid for) are VERY far from this ideal.

    I've bought several courses and followed them exactly, and precisely followed formulas offered free on these forums. So far nothing has come even close to working in practice for me, because the formulas are not formulas really . . . I follow them exactly and lose money every time.

    I am gradually learning, and will at some point get to the stage where I can do something which makes rather than loses money, but seriously, the fact that formulas just don't WORK is, in my opinion, THE big problem for newbies. Seriously . . . if you can give people something that WORKS, that solves ALL their problems )

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    to many newbies look for a key marked ANY
    when there told to click any key to continue

    If there in this category they need tuition on computers at their local college

    I actually don't think they should even be asking questions on how to make money if they don't already have basic computer skills and know

    how and what FTP is (after all its just transferring a file from one folder to another, and something they probably do every day) local college course is the answer again

    Basic knowledge with a wysiwyg editor (again seek a course at your local college)

    There are others, but you get my message here. The technical stuff is not what makes money and can be learned either at your local college or by googling it and learning from video tutorials

    I tried desperately to not have tech stuff in our coaching program, its not what they need. they are better off paying a tech person to do that for them

    And if your going to tell me that most newbies cant afford that THEN MY QUESTION TO YOU IS...

    Why do you want to attract customers who cant afford to pay you?

    Finally we put an ask tech button in the students coaching area marked ask tech, and they all go to my tech team who deal with there questions, we also raised the price of the coaching to cover it (sadly its this feature which sells the coaching for us, not the actual marketing content)

    Robert

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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Much as I hate to admit it - I agree with Rob Puddy :0
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      nothing to see here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by Carl-Reed View Post

      Just look at the most viewed threads in the WSO section... That's what newbies want.
      This. x10. You win at internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author daniellesdad27
    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

    Hi guys,

    This is a question for the newbie marketer really though anyone who is more advanced is welcome to chip in if they have any input...

    As someone who is just starting online marketing, what do you consider to be your greatest need to help both motivate and assist you.

    For instance if you belonged to a membership site that was "geared" towards the newbie marketer, what would be the type of thing you would both expect and want to find in there.

    Cheers
    Kim
    I think the need for a COMPLETE plan is needed more than anything else. So many 'courses' and stuff out there bring you to a point and then they just let you fend for yourself.

    You need to find a COMPLETE plan that teaches you not only the basics of internet business, but also the basics of business in general.

    Almost every course I've ever seen teaches the same thing. By the third of fourth one, you'll be saying to yourself 'Oh no...its Pay Per Click to a Clickbank product AGAIN...'
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  • Profile picture of the author Lonzo
    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

    Hi guys,

    This is a question for the newbie marketer really though anyone who is more advanced is welcome to chip in if they have any input...

    As someone who is just starting online marketing, what do you consider to be your greatest need to help both motivate and assist you.

    For instance if you belonged to a membership site that was "geared" towards the newbie marketer, what would be the type of thing you would both expect and want to find in there.

    Cheers
    Kim
    One way to narrow down the field of what works is to cover the ground of what doesn't work. A framework and a support system that constantly needs babysitting and reeks of a Beta Version is one way to insure everyone has a frustrating experience. From accounting issues like being double charged or taking 3 months to finally switch a payment source, to having consistent technical difficulties, to having a regular hide and seek game of where on the membership site the material is this week is a great way to shoot a newbie's trust in both feet.

    Personally, I think an over-the-shoulder video series that demonstrates the "guru" actually creating before your very eyes the system he or she is trying to teach. From domain selection to monetizing to let's see the actual income starting to come in as a result of what we've been watching is the fastest way it would burn the business model into my brain and compel me to rinse and repeat with a clear understanding.
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  • Profile picture of the author petec
    Hi Kim, great post.
    Just my thoughts. Why not start a training academy. You could take say 20 students at a time. Take them from the ground up. Actually build a business with them. They could pay a nominal fee to start with, then you could take say 10-20% of there profit over say 12 months. They get a business, you get paid, everybody is happy. Rinse and repeat as they say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oroh
    I am a newbie as well. I am process oriented. I want to be able to see the connectivity and know the reason behind something and understand the "why" I am doing something. What I really want is to build [my own] IM business model that will work for my needs, goals, talents and for my situation. Ideally, with my model, I can apply it over an over.

    For example, if you tell me,"You need $5,000 to have a good emergency fund". That's data or information that is hard to anchor and have meaning for me. My first thought is, "Why $5,000?" But if you say,"You should have 3-6 months of your income saved for an emergency." That has more meaning for me. It tells me the why and the how. I have enough information to discern whether or not this suggestion will work for me.

    For me for now, I will keep reading, studying and implementing what I learn until I fill in the holes I am missing, until I build a model that works for me. Eventually, the model I seek will become apparent. The risk is that the model I am looking for may fall into place soon or it might take some considerable time. Either way, for me, it is worth the risk. Ideally, as a newbie I would like a process or model that I could follow. Not sure though if someone could "give" that to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author duncanb
    Basically they want a machine to print money, after a few hours when they see the detail we go into on this forum they soon realise that this is not readily available
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