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BOATLOADS of cash

by GMD Banned
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I am going to teach you how I made $1. If you use my techniques, I guarantee you will make $1 (Canadian) within one month using my system. After you have worked hard and finally earned your $1, I will show you how you can take that dollar and turn it into $2!

After a year of this, divide your $12 between two two boats and there you have it...

BOATLOADS OF CASH

Yeah, I am feeling goofy tonight, but I am sick to death of all these crap programs that are primarily written to rake in dollars for the author and deliver nothing to the buyer. It reminds me of how guys tell women ANYTHING to get into their pants, then, goal once achieved, comes all the excuses as to why xyz now cannot be delivered.

Case-in-point: One guy offers to show you how to make 1 grand in 24 hours. Then, he writes his program has nothing to do with making money fast -- he writes you make money "long term." Then he discourages people to spend their last money on his program because, in his view, "people have to eat first."

Who is going to starve in 24 hours? If you advertise one thousand bucks in 24 hours, I will give the clothes off my back because I know, if this guy is correct, I will recoup my losses in a day or two.

I would submit that all authors of these programs have an ETHICAL responsibility to deliver on what they promise. Making money off your WSO should not be the primary goal here. Why? Because if the product actually even was remotely able to deliver, it would make money anyways.

Rant over for now.
#boatloads #cash
  • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
    Yes, definitely hold your nose if you go into the WSO section..

    It will drive insane amounts of cash with secret ninja strategies for set and forget automatic income streams and absolutely no way even a newbie can get it wrong!
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    So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    I don't think the authors of these programs have any ethical responsibility to deliver on their promises. 99 times out of 100 the people who complain about big promises are the ones who fail to implement the programs they purchase.

    I understand your point, however there are no programs that will promise you $1000 in 24 hours without you having some resources at your disposal to start with.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post


      I understand your point, however there are no programs that will promise you $1000 in 24 hours without you having some resources at your disposal to start with.
      Take a look in the Warrior Offers Forum -- one author is promising exactly that: $1,000 in 24 hours AND ALL YOU NEED IS $1 and a "microphone" to start.

      And sure there are people who buy these WSO programs and read it and do not implement it. I am not talking about those people.

      I am talking about the people who promise something totally insane and then only TECHNICALLY deliver. A TECHNICALLY correct promise is this:

      "$1,000 in one month with only 1 hour per day of work"

      You pay this author $15 bucks or whatever and he writes:

      "Sell ONE clickbank product per day that gives you $33 commission! One sale a day is all you need to make $1,000 per month!"

      Sure the author is correct. Do that, and you will make the money. But easier written than done.

      I am disturbed by the mindset that "author's DO NOT have an ethical responsibility to deliver." So what are we saying? They don't have to deliver what they promise?

      I am not suggesting that the author must promise you will make the money just by purchasing the program. No! I am talking about programs that are really crap -- programs where if you worked 24 hours a day and 7 days a week would not work.

      The authors have a responsibility to provide a plan/good information that will deliver what they promise (if the buyer heeds to certain steps, actions, timelines, etc.)

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      The buyers have a responsibility to purchase the program and USE IT. TAKE ACTION. TRY IT. And then complain if the program just cannot deliver.


      I don't know, it's just reading some of these things I feel like I am back on the sofa at 12am watching Tom Vu or Dave Del Dotto on TV spew their inane smelly piles of horse puckies about buying millions of dollars in real estate or something.

      Yeah, if the program makes so much money for you, why are you selling the information?

      If you you are making $1,000 in 24 hours and claim that result can be repeated again and again then why go through the trouble of making a WSO and selling it for cheap? Isn't $30,000 PER MONTH enough (if you really are making that...???).
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
        Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post

        Take a look in the Warrior Offers Forum -- one author is promising exactly that: $1,000 in 24 hours AND ALL YOU NEED IS $1 and a "microphone" to start.

        And sure there are people who buy these WSO programs and read it and do not implement it. I am not talking about those people.

        I am talking about the people who promise something totally insane and then only TECHNICALLY deliver. A TECHNICALLY correct promise is this:

        "$1,000 in one month with only 1 hour per day of work"

        You pay this author $15 bucks or whatever and he writes:

        "Sell ONE clickbank product per day that gives you $33 commission! One sale a day is all you need to make $1,000 per month!"

        Sure the author is correct. Do that, and you will make the money. But easier written than done.

        I am disturbed by the mindset that "author's DO NOT have an ethical responsibility to deliver." So what are we saying? They don't have to deliver what they promise?

        I am not suggesting that the author must promise you will make the money just by purchasing the program. No! I am talking about programs that are really crap -- programs where if you worked 24 hours a day and 7 days a week would not work.

        The authors have a responsibility to provide a plan/good information that will deliver what they promise (if the buyer heeds to certain steps, actions, timelines, etc.)

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        The buyers have a responsibility to purchase the program and USE IT. TAKE ACTION. TRY IT. And then complain if the program just cannot deliver.


        I don't know, it's just reading some of these things I feel like I am back on the sofa at 12am watching Tom Vu or Dave Del Dotto on TV spew their inane smelly piles of horse puckies about buying millions of dollars in real estate or something.

        Yeah, if the program makes so much money for you, why are you selling the information?

        If you you are making $1,000 in 24 hours and claim that result can be repeated again and again then why go through the trouble of making a WSO and selling it for cheap? Isn't $30,000 PER MONTH enough (if you really are making that...???).

        Bottomline, both buyer and seller have a responsibility to each other

        But The last part really threw me for a loop...

        So, say I made $500k in the last year. I decided I wanted to sell a "how to" product and make the informaiton affordable. Why is that a issue?

        Is it wrong to want to help people, even if all of my needs are taken care of?

        But what if I don't have everything I need (or thought i needed)? Is it wrong to share information that shaped our lives so it can shape yours in a very positive way?

        If you think about it, it's more than money most wealthy people are looking for. They want to make an impression -a difference in other peoples lives, and charging even a FRACTION of what they're giving away...i'd say the authors are getting a raw deal.

        But it again, it's not just about money.

        I say that from experinece working with someone to help them financially when I am already pretty darn comfortable.

        Look at Donald Trump. Made his wealth in real estate, and people doubted his intentions. But once you reach a certain mark, for most people, the drive for money is a scorecard for how many people you serve, and how many lives you touch (in a positive or negative way)
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        • Profile picture of the author GMD
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          Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

          Bottomline, both buyer and seller have a responsibility to each other

          But The last part really threw me for a loop...

          So, say I made $500k in the last year. I decided I wanted to sell a "how to" product and make the informaiton affordable. Why is that a issue?

          Is it wrong to want to help people, even if all of my needs are taken care of?

          But what if I don't have everything I need (or thought i needed)? Is it wrong to share information that shaped our lives so it can shape yours in a very positive way?

          If you think about it, it's more than money most wealthy people are looking for. They want to make an impression -a difference in other peoples lives, and charging even a FRACTION of what they're giving away...i'd say the authors are getting a raw deal.

          But it again, it's not just about money.

          I say that from experinece working with someone to help them financially when I am already pretty darn comfortable.

          Look at Donald Trump. Made his wealth in real estate, and people doubted his intentions. But once you reach a certain mark, for most people, the drive for money is a scorecard for how many people you serve, and how many lives you touch (in a positive or negative way)
          If you made 500k in one year and then ask "Is it wrong to want to help people, even if all of my needs are taken care of?"

          If you want to "help" people, then post the info for free. That helps people. Especially when one says their "needs have already been met". All the more reason to give it away, if your "needs" have been met then why charge money for the "help" you want to give to people?


          But that is not my point here. Let's be honest, MANY of these "gurus" themselves HAVE NOT MADE ONE DIME off their supposed methods. All of their work went into researching some stuff and making it into a WSO designed to hook the newbie into parting with his $19.95 or whatever.

          Too much of that appears to be going on around here. One "guru" on here was promoting his product in one forum ($50/day with Adsense) and then he was complaining in another thread (different forum) about how his "6 sites have only made .31 cents" and he is desperate for help.

          Another "guru" wants to make you $150 by "tomorrow" ...

          Another, $1,000 in two days ...

          I am patiently waiting for the sale on unicorns next....

          I suppose BUYER BEWARE is all. There is really nothing out there that you could buy that is not already available for free if you look in the right places.

          There are enough free ideas floating around this forum that could make people a lot of money fast. I know because I did it on my own and I, thanks to finding these forums, have taken some of the ideas that I have found here and have already turned them into cash.
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          • Profile picture of the author LMC
            Touche usually, touche.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post


            If you want to "help" people, then post the info for free. That helps people. .
            No it doesn't help people by posting information for free. The more vested someone is, the more the effort they will put forth. I know I will put a lot more effort into something I laid out thousands for than a free blog post.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bossman34
            Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post

            Yeah, if the program makes so much money for you, why are you selling the information?
            Umm...to make MORE money? Is there anything wrong with that?

            I mean, why in the world wouldn't you? You have information/knowledge that people are willing to pay for...it's just a smart way to further capitalize on your knowledge and a market.

            Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post

            If you want to "help" people, then post the info for free. That helps people. Especially when one says their "needs have already been met". All the more reason to give it away, if your "needs" have been met then why charge money for the "help" you want to give to people?
            Is it impossible to help people AND make money at the same time? I'm all about helping people...there's nothing more rewarding than helping change somebody's life for the better.

            The one thing that really bothers my, however, are people that are always looking for a hand out like somebody owes them something. I spent months/years of hard work in addition to loads of MY OWN money to get to where I am...I have a hard time turning around and giving my knowledge and experience away to people who expect to get it for free and usually don't even appreciate it.

            I know this sounds selfish and negative, but the one thing about IM that bothers me more than hyped up sales letters are people who expect everything, but are willing to give nothing.

            Of course, not everybody is this way...just a large majority.
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          • Profile picture of the author bretski
            Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post

            If you want to "help" people, then post the info for free. That helps people. Especially when one says their "needs have already been met". All the more reason to give it away, if your "needs" have been met then why charge money for the "help" you want to give to people?
            Anything that is free holds little value for people. If someone has to actually pay for the information or product they are more likely to actually implement it or use it. It holds value equal to or MORE than the dollar amount that they paid for it. They are accountable to their own conscience, if nothing more... a little voice inside their head that tells them,"Well, you ponied up $15 for this information. You better use it and at least make back your investment or else you just wasted fifteen bucks."

            Yes, there is a lot of great free advice on this forum and also a lot of advice given by people who don't know what the heck they're talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author SonnyYoung
      Thanks. I knew where you were going after reading the first sentence! Whenever I read the phrase "I'm going to show you how..." a red flag goes up in my mind. The phrase itself is fine, but I've seen it in so many outrageous sales pitches that it now has a negative connotation. At least from my perspective. I think today's sophisticated buyers require a more toned down, less condescending approach. Even the call to action "ORDER NOW" has become a cliche. It's always a pleasure when I come across a fresh approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Since those are Canadian boats I think it's the same as only 1.5 American boats. Won't the second one sink?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    "You can give a homeless man a map to a gold
    mine and he'll find some excuse not to get there"

    I don't see no argument here UC. Because if the arthour is
    saying he makes $1000 a day, why is he wrong for telling
    others in his marketing that "You too can make $1000 in
    24 hours".

    He may or may not say you can do it in your FIRST 24 hours,
    and if so, what proof do you have to prove that he's wrong?

    Did you try the methods yourself, caught a bad break, and
    gave up - blaming the author for his "bad advice"? How hard
    was this person ready to work prior to buying the product
    to reach that "$1000 in 24 hour" goal?

    Odds are, he wasn't ready at all. But he WAS ready to click
    a button, buy a system, and hope it works itself and create
    the "promises" the $1000 a day ebook talked about.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    We could waste that hour complaining about ethical responsibility................
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      We could waste that hour complaining about ethical responsibility................
      Well, if everybody here has their incomes on "auto pilot" as so many do claim, I say sure, we can waste the hour....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    The main problem with the people trying to make money online is not crappy information. The problem is people not taking action and not focusing on one thing. As Will Smith says, "there is no reason for having a plan B because it distracts on Plan A" and that's what people need to understand to be successful.

    I also disagree when you say that if the seller is making $30000 then he should just shut up and keep making more. Mike Filsaime has made over 25,000,000 Dollars (that's 25 Million) in sales from the day he started. So, should he sell his money making methods for that much. Geee, I don't think anyone could afford that.

    Hey, Don't take it personal but I believe you need to shift your mind a bit and try taking the blame on yourself instead of the gurus or the people selling the information. As of today, I believe that 95%+ methods of making money online work. It's just that people don't work as they should to make them work for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      How big are these boats you speak of?
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      • Profile picture of the author GMD
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        Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        How big are these boats you speak of?
        Big enough to fit six Canadian dollar bills in....
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        • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
          Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

          Since those are Canadian boats I think it's the same as only 1.5 American boats. Won't the second one sink?
          Actually the Canadian Dollar is worth about 94 cents US today! So the boat would still float.

          Originally Posted by usuallyclueless View Post

          Big enough to fit six Canadian dollar bills in....
          And Canadians don't actually have "dollar bills" - it's a coin nicknamed a "loonie" (because of the picture of a loon on it).

          Seriously, I agree with at least some of what you are saying - there are too many outlandish claims, and they aren't restricted to WSO's. If you subscribe to lists from people who flog Clickbank products you'll get all sorts of e-mails telling you about 10 year old kids who make 2 million bucks online without a web page, a list or their parents permission to use the computer.

          But there is also some decent stuff in the WSO section, the trick is to weed through the junk to get it. That's why reading the feedback from other Warriors, especially ones you know to be straight shooters, can really make the WSO section a better place to shop than from your local guru's list.

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          • Profile picture of the author GMD
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            Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post




            And Canadians don't actually have "dollar bills" - it's a coin nicknamed a "loonie" (because of the picture of a loon on it).




            Bill
            That's right Bill! Hence, the boats would be VERY small...

            But seriously Bill, I think you have diplomatically written what I have been trying to say here. So thanks for that...

            Also, it's nice to finally read some post around here where people actually get a little upset. That's good. Sometimes it's a little too much like Smurf Village around here with everybody saying everything is "Smurfy" when in reality some of the ideas around here need to be beaten like pinatas.

            But on the whole, yes, there are a lot of great ideas out there and may programs on this forum that do work and are written by persons who back up what they preach.

            AGAIN, I am upset with the scam artists who know their stuff is crap and take advantage of some poor soul down to his last Canadian dollar...ah, last loonie only to find out later he or she has been sold a bill of goods.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by mohammad111 View Post


      Hey, Don't take it personal but I believe you need to shift your mind a bit and try taking the blame on yourself instead of the gurus or the people selling the information. As of today, I believe that 95%+ methods of making money online work. It's just that people don't work as they should to make them work for them.
      Becareful about your assumptions! I never claimed to be blaming anybody because I purchased a product and it did not work for me. I am only addressing this topic in general terms, not in terms of anything that has happened or not happend to me.

      I cannot take any blame on myself because the fact of the matter is I am making more money than I have ever dreamed of thanks to IM...and I don't even have to leave my front door to do it.

      So no, I do not take your comments at all personally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Houcem Rihane
    You are definitely 100% correct.

    The problem is that hype has established itself in this industry and it doesn't look like it's going anywhere else any soon.

    Look at it from the other side which is IMHO even sadder: Nothing flourishes if it doesn't work. People think they live in some fairy world where things like miracles are a skill you can learn.

    I believe in miracles but only special people can perform them and there isn't any of them anymore.

    It looks like the human kind is regressing in terms of using that part of the body that maybe 0,0001% use, namely the brain.

    I can't believe what I see sometimes in terms of unrealistic claims that I can't find even one logical argument for, the ones who fall for them most of the time don't even bother asking themselves "Ok, is this really doable?"; and even if they do, they try to keep hope that it will nevertheless work because of some "magic voodoo" they don't know about.

    As to the wso section, unfortunately it looks like the word Quality doesn't belong into the English dictionnary of the authors in question.

    Nonetheless, to be fair I must also say that there are some real gems of there. It's just that they are tough to find.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by houcemtrigun View Post

      You are definitely 100% correct.

      The problem is that hype has established itself in this industry and it doesn't look like it's going anywhere else any soon.

      Look at it from the other side which is IMHO even sadder: Nothing flourishes if it doesn't work. People think they live in some fairy world where things like miracles are a skill you can learn.

      I believe in miracles but only special people can perform them and there isn't any of them anymore.

      It looks like the human kind is regressing in terms of using that part of the body that maybe 0,0001% use, namely the brain.

      I can't believe what I see sometimes in terms of unrealistic claims that I can't find even one logical argument for, the ones who fall for them most of the time don't even bother asking themselves "Ok, is this really doable?"; and even if they do, they try to keep hope that it will nevertheless work because of some "magic voodoo" they don't know about.

      As to the wso section, unfortunately it looks like the word Quality doesn't belong into the English dictionnary of the authors in question.

      Nonetheless, to be fair I must also say that there are some real gems of there. It's just that they are tough to find.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    This thread is useless. None of these programs work. Only PEOPLE work. If people dont work, nothing will happen. The author is responsible for giving the buyer tools that will get the result promised, IF the buyer applies them. The author is not responsible, ethically, financially, or otherwise, for the results that the buyer may or may not achieve. That is the buyer's responsibility.

    I agree 100% with Brad. People that complain about what is being sold at the WSO forum have too much time on their hands and not enough investment in their own betterment.

    Even if I gave away my information it wouldn't help some people. Some people are just incapable of success, and that's the truth, horrible as it may sound.

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  • Profile picture of the author duncanb
    Poeple whom buy these systems often give up on them very quickly. I have a rule that you should allow 3-4 months for a system to kick in and give it a chance to get off its feet befor dismissing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sevin
      I agree it's annoying when these authors exaggerate, making it sound like it's going to be easy, etc. But a lot of times these books do have enough info to get you started if you're smart and hard working.

      I bought Google Cash years ago and now I make thousands a month, as promised. I gave this book to my friends and family and none of them were able to make it work like I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author juansaldivar
    There are people here who make their full time living selling WSOs... I personally haven't purchase any WSO because there are no real secrets online.
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