My list building strategy...input desired.

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Hi everyone,

I've gotten some great input on this forum and I am hoping to get some similar input on the strategy I have settled on as my next step toward internet marketing success. My tentative strategy is as follows:

For some time I have been accumulating quotes from various forums, blogs, SEO papers, and otherwise all over the internet that have been tremendously helpful to me toward acquiring a great understanding of SEO, Adsense, and many things internet marketing.

I now want to give away those quotes in a newsletter and begin building my list through such an offering.

The title of my newsletter will be something like "Master SEO and Adsense Tidbits". Mind you I am not a Master myself. I won't hide that but I figure there is nevertheless value in my sharing with others what quoteworthy content I have found in my internet travels.

I will offer this newsletter through forum posts and article writing mostly adding other means of getting the word out as seems advisable.

So that's the subject of my list.

I will monetize that list initially by promoting Hostgator hosting which ties in nicely with the subject of the newsletter in that people interested in SEO and Adsense obviously need a website or two.

I may eventually offer various other products either as an affiliate or of my own but for now Hostgator will be the main way I will monetize the list.

Okay...so regarding how to build this list I am still working out the pieces but tentatively here is what I think I will do.

I will set up a blog on blogspot (i.e. Blogger) where the home page of that blog will be the landing page to encourage one's to join my list. A few additional pages will have sample tidbits and quotes of the type that will be included in my newsletter.

I will use Feedburner's email subscription option and add it to my blogger blog to collect email address.

Separately from blogger (if I cannot do it at blogger itself) I will find an autoresponder to use and set up a series of newsletter issues. Probably 12 to start out with. Sent out once every week for 12 weeks. If the response is good and I am making money from this newsletter I will increase the number of posts that I set up under the autoresponder. If not I will redirect list subscribers to something else if I can.

The blogger blog will only be to get the email addresses and nothing else.

The autoresponder will handle the rest.

I think I can set this up to pretty much do this on autopilot.

What are your all thoughts so far on what my plans are? Anybody see any potential problems that I should be aware of?

What about the subject matter. Does something like this offer enough value to motivate one's to sign up?

Each quote will have a URL where one can go and read the quote in full context as well as any additional insight or notes I might want to share on what the quote is about and why I think it was worth quoting.

The main value to this newsletter will be realized in the time savings it will give to one's who are interested in the subject matter. There is a HUGE amount of information about SEO and Adsense available but many people simply do not have the time to weed through it all to find the gold. I've already done that for myself and will share what I have found saving people a lot of time.

Feel free to knock down this whole idea but it does seem to me that there is some potential here. I am especially interested in hearing about the practicals of how to implement this if anyone has any ideas on how to do it better.

Thanks.

Carlos

PS. One of the main reasons for me to use blogger are that it is free. As such I can test out various newsletter ideas to see what interest they are able to generate without risking any money to do it. If a particular newsletter idea works out real well there I can always move it to a domain of it's own and expand upon it. By using blogger and forum signature posts I can test and test and test until I hit on a winner at virtually no cost to myself other than time of which I have an abundance.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Carlos, the idea itself seems fairly solid, assuming that you have acquired permission to use these "quotes and other tidbits" you've collected.

    I think there is a disconnect between promoting a hosting program and doing it from a free platform. My first question would be "if this program is so great, why is he using Blogger instead of HostGator?"

    As I recall, the minimum HG account is about $4 per month and a domain name around $10 per year (less if you have to use a .info). You might even get the domain name when you sign up. 12 weeks is about three months, or about $12.

    As a potential subscriber and hosting prospect, I'd ask you...

    "If you don't believe in your idea enough to risk the price of a fast food meal on it, why should I?"
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  • Profile picture of the author seoguy1
    Your idea sounds good. Some methods work better than others. The siteowner should analyze their niche to determine the most cost-effective way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    ^ I hate it when people post only to get their Sigs read^

    On a more related note..

    You should use a domain of your own not just because it makes it look credible.. but also because its part of your branding and will go a long way to ensuring a better relationship with your subscribers.

    Your subscribers are less likely to buy from someone who doesn't have a proper website. Even if you manage to get a big list.. it will not be as responsive as you'd want it to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Thanks for the input you all. I do in fact have an account at Hostgator so I guess I will have to figure out a domain to use. I just didn't want to spend $10 on a domain for an idea that may not pan out (I'm getting tired of throwing domain registration money down the drain so to speak). I figured by using Blogger or other free platform that I could just test things but you guys make a valid point.

      Regarding my need to get permission to quote...correct me if I am wrong but I don't think I need permission to do so. As long as the quote is short and I add additional thoughts of my own to explain the quote or otherwise comment on it I think it falls under fair use as an editorial type quote.

      For example I could quote various successful marketers on the Warrior Forum with respect to small snippets from what they have said here and then point subscribers to the actual thread where the quote is found (that's just an example. My quotes come from all over and I have accumulated them for my own benefit. Initially I had no intention to ever build a list with them though that idea came to me a while back...I just never got around to doing anything with it until now.) I could be wrong but I don't think I would need permission to quote some snippets of what people have said publicly on some threads here or in blogs or other places around the internet.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        Regarding my need to get permission to quote...correct me if I am wrong but I don't think I need permission to do so. As long as the quote is short and I add additional thoughts of my own to explain the quote or otherwise comment on it I think it falls under fair use as an editorial type quote.

        For example I could quote various successful marketers on the Warrior Forum with respect to small snippets from what they have said here and then point subscribers to the actual thread where the quote is found (that's just an example. My quotes come from all over and I have accumulated them for my own benefit. Initially I had no intention to ever build a list with them though that idea came to me a while back...I just never got around to doing anything with it until now.) I could be wrong but I don't think I would need permission to quote some snippets of what people have said publicly on some threads here or in blogs or other places around the internet.

        Carlos
        I think that what you describe in your follow-up post is fine. The keys are to use short bits of the original, give proper attribution (like a link) and add editorial comment. You see that on blogs all the time.

        What I was warning against was surfing around the net and collecting content in the way some people use images they find online. Their thinking is that if it's in public view, it's public property, which I can tell you understand is not so.

        Thanks for clarifying that...
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          I think that what you describe in your follow-up post is fine. The keys are to use short bits of the original, give proper attribution (like a link) and add editorial comment. You see that on blogs all the time.

          What I was warning against was surfing around the net and collecting content in the way some people use images they find online. Their thinking is that if it's in public view, it's public property, which I can tell you understand is not so.

          Thanks for clarifying that...
          And thank you for your reassurance John. I mean when push comes to shove I will find another way to build a list if what I would be doing is considered stealing somebody's hard work. I would be the last person to want to do that.

          But as you say blogs quote others all the time within the framework you describe. With additional commentary and expansion of what is said in the quote. That's key like you said.

          This whole idea is not exactly auto-pilot money making in the sense that I will have to constantly be active on forums or write articles to funnel people into my list money making machine. And the Hostgator commission is only a one time sale. So I will need new subscribers all the time to keep making money.

          Of course I can start to offer additional products. Perhaps some reports of my own that go into depth on issues like how to create a header in the GIMP, how to use the Google Keyword Tool, how to use Google search modifiers, and all kinds of reports that I could begin to offer. In depth, hard hitting reports at...hmm...let's see $9.95 each or some such.

          What I like about list building as I have thought about in comparison to Adsense is that I am in effect carving out my own marketplace. My own list. Where there is only one competitor involved. ME! LOL.

          A nice place to be.

          All I have to do once I develop the system is to come up with additional subject areas to build additional lists around.

          I don't have to compete in the doggy dog world of SERP pages for positioning (I will do most of my list building with forum signatures and article marketing...perhaps some virally oriented PDF giveways,etc.) and I don't have to be all concerned about Google's latest SEO burp and what effect it will have on my site rankings.

          The bad side to this list building is that using my techniques for building the list will be slow going. Maybe 10-20 new sign ups per day. Which isn't a whole lot.

          Still at $125 for a Hostgator commission after I think the 6th one...that's not bad either. Nice pocket change (at least with respect to the kinds of income being supposedly make around here ). I only need about $2000 a month to live quite happily and well in South America which is where I want to end up.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author carlos123
            From the following list titles which one might pull the most interest on a forum like this one for example?

            1 - "Internet Marketing Quotes from the Masters"
            2 - "SEO and Adsense Quotes from the Masters"
            3 - "Quotes from Master Internet Marketing and SEO Experts"
            4 - "Internet Marketing Gold Snippets and Quotes"
            5 - "Thoughts from Internet Marketing Masters"
            6 - "Master Internet Marketing Quotes and Snippets"
            7 - "In the Footsteps of Internet Marketing Masters"
            8 - "Breadcrumbs from Internet Marketing Masters"
            9 - "The Best of the Internet Marketing Masters"
            10 - "Pure Gold from Internet Masters"
            11 - "The Best Quotes from Internet Marketing and SEO Masters"
            12 - "The Best Quotes you will ever read from Internet Marketing and SEO Experts"

            If the above are not to your all's liking do you have any other suggestions for a list title that might pull better interest?

            I personally am leaning toward number 3 or maybe 12 though 12 is a bit long.

            The quotes vary all over the place and deal with Adsense, SEO, link building, and a whole range of related issues though they are mostly centered under the Internet Marketing theme.

            Coming up with a good list title is going to be difficult since I want to generate interest from experienced marketers as well as newbies but such dual interest may not be possible to generate from the list title alone.

            Any additional input on this would be appreciated.

            Thanks.

            Carlos

            PS. Here is an example quote by the way...

            From: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Using RSS/Atom feeds to discover new URLs

            "RSS/Atom feeds have been very popular in recent years as a mechanism for content publication. They allow readers to check for new content from publishers. Using feeds for discovery allows us to get these new pages into our index more quickly than traditional crawling methods."
            That quote points to one way to get Google to index pages more quickly. Setting up and using RSS/Atom feeds pointing to our site pages.
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            • Profile picture of the author renu
              Carlos, I would also recommend using aweber as an autoresponder. That way you can actually build a targeted list of prospects that you can later hit with promotional material.

              Using feedburner is fine but on the long run you will see that it doesn't give you enough control over your subscribers. You really don't have many options with feedburner.

              I use aweber and I'm satisfied. It's only $19 per month so it's preaty affordable.

              BTW, aweber also has an affiliate program. Later on you could promote aweber to your list and cash in on those commissions. Did I mention the commission is recurring? Yes, indeed!

              On other aspects I really have nothing to say. The plan sounds good. Just make sure to put in a great amount of value in your content so that you make your subscribers feel special.

              And give the content a twist.. Make it sound fresh and new. People need something new. Not something everybody is doing. Not reharshed and regurgitated material. When you give proper value you actually start a unique relationship with your subscribers.

              And remember (speaking of quotes) as Michael Cheney says: "The money is NOT in the list, it's in the relationship with the list!"

              Hope this helps you and best of luck to you. Just don't be a stranger. Drope us a line here from time to time so we know how your success story goes. It could do a lot of good to folks that need that kind of motivation...

              Take care
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              • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                Thanks for your input Remi. Good tip about aweber.

                Have you ever heard of artists who are extremely talented but starving? Well I am that but as an internet marketer LOL.

                In other words I am a poor internet marketer who must use his money to pay for other things than internet marketing at the moment. As in to live type of thing.

                So unfortunately aweber is gonna have to wait. I am thinking of developing my own PHP solution along with cron to send out my weekly emails to my list. Shouldn't be too hard since I already developed a PHP script to do form to email conversions for me.

                Aweber would be more efficient and much easier for me to use but I just can't afford another $19 per month in fees at this point in time.

                Of course as soon as I start making my thousands that won't be a problem

                Carlos
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                • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                  Carlos, here's an idea for your title...

                  People love the idea of hearing things they aren't supposed to, it's kind of an illicit thrill. Curiosity is a big puller, too.

                  So how about something like "Fly on the Marketing Experts' Wall".

                  Maybe it will jumpstart more ideas...
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                  • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                    Good thought James! Don't know if I like the title too much though . Let me see if it grows on me in the next couple of days or over the weekend (it's going to take me that long to set things up anyway).

                    I like the angle you are taking with the title.

                    The problem with a title like that is that people won't know what the list is about from just the title. May not be too much of a problem though, given that I can usually include an explanatory sentence or two in with forum signature links so your idea may still be workable.

                    Some other titles along the lines of what you suggested are...

                    - Listening to the Marketing Masters
                    - Lessons from Marketing Masters
                    - Free Lessons from Internet Marketing Masters
                    - Learning from the Masters of Internet Marketing

                    Hmm...I like that last one. Yes indeed. I like that last one a lot. Still open to other suggestions though.

                    Carlos
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                    • Profile picture of the author fxmmorale
                      Hey Carlos,

                      You might want to check this out while it's still free...

                      List Outline :: List Building Secrets


                      Cheers,
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                      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                        Originally Posted by fxmmorale View Post

                        Hey Carlos,

                        You might want to check this out while it's still free...

                        List Outline :: List Building Secrets
                        Thanks Nando. Great tip and link.

                        Although...you had no way to know this but I can't stand most training videos. I saw a few minutes of some of those videos and couldn't stand listening to them anymore.

                        The problem for me is that I am technically proficient in most everything internet related more or less and get incredibly bored or frustrated waiting for the video to move along. So I find myself skipping ahead and then getting too far ahead and then skipping back until I get so frustrated I quit the video altogether.

                        I wish video makers would ALWAYS make a transcript available that I could just skim through (sigh).

                        I might try to watch them sometime in the next few days to gleam what I can from them.

                        Thanks again.

                        Carlos

                        PS. For anyone that is interested...here's another notable quote I found a while back...

                        From: How to Make Money Online with Adsense for Beginners - Adsense Make Money Online
                        Per: Griz (aka Grizzly)

                        "If you are counting the long tails then you have missed the point. Just write as long a post as you can. Write naturally and talk about everything you can think of regarding the topic. The long tails will happen without forcing them. You don't need to put anything in a post more than once if the post is long and on topic - the bot will know exactly what the post is about and find all the relevant long tails for you.

                        Just use the main keywords or phrase in each post title and then blab away. If you know your topic the related terms will flow naturally."
                        Grizzly is a very successful marketer though some of his methods are frowned upon by a number of SEO's. I would expand more on what he said in my actual newsletter but I just wanted to give everyone a better handle on what I propose doing by pulling out another quote from the many I have saved.

                        The link pointed to is well worth reading in it's entirety.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Here is an example of a site that quotes extensively from copyrighted material but I am sure that the site owner is perfectly within his fair use rights under at least U.S. copyright law for doing so. He ads to the thoughts expressed in the quotes and expands upon them.

        How Search Engines May Mine SEO Forums to Find Web Spam

        Notice the extensive quotes in blue. A lot more than the usual length of quotes that I am thinking of doing. Plus I would provide URL links to the original source so that people could go to that source and read the whole thing for themselves.

        Interesting post at that blog by the way at how some search engines are lurking around on SEO type forums as a way to detect spamming techniques.

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

          Here is an example of a site that quotes extensively from copyrighted material but I am sure that the site owner is perfectly within his fair use rights under at least U.S. copyright law for doing so. He ads to the thoughts expressed in the quotes and expands upon them.

          How Search Engines May Mine SEO Forums to Find Web Spam

          Notice the extensive quotes in blue. A lot more than the usual length of quotes that I am thinking of doing. Plus I would provide URL links to the original source so that people could go to that source and read the whole thing for themselves.

          Interesting post at that blog by the way at how some search engines are lurking around on SEO type forums as a way to detect spamming techniques.

          Carlos
          Like I said, what you propose in your second post sounds fine.

          I just added the extra details for anyone else who might read this.

          Good luck with your project...
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        Regarding my need to get permission to quote...correct me if I am wrong but I don't think I need permission to do so. As long as the quote is short and I add additional thoughts of my own to explain the quote or otherwise comment on it I think it falls under fair use as an editorial type quote. Carlos
        I don't think you have anything to worry about. Quoting people in small snippets like you describe doesn't require permission. Who would mind being quoted unless you put them in a bad light?
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I don't think you have anything to worry about. Quoting people in small snippets like you describe doesn't require permission. Who would mind being quoted unless you put them in a bad light?
          Exactly. For the most part I would be giving the forums being quoted from, the blogs, the newsletter, the web sites, some free backlinks and traffic as undoubtedly a fair number of subscribers would go to the source URL's to read the quote in full context.

          I might even work into soliciting quotes from experts who want to be included in my list newsletter eventually (if what they have to say is actually worthwhile).

          Although...there are some quotes that I will comment on in a less than favorable light. For example I can think of one internet marketer that is VERY successful and has a huge following (is not a member here) who operates in what I consider to be less than an ethical and above board manner. He basically throws all considerations of right and wrong out the window and has said so in explicit terms in his own words.

          I would not encourage anyone to operate that way and would say so in my newsletter while letting subscribers make up their own mind by providing the URL of the expert being quoted so they could read what he says in full.

          Or...I might not quote them when they advocate particularly unethical ways of doing internet marketing. It's a choice I would have to make on a case by case basis.

          But yeah...there might be times when I would quote someone in a less than favorable light where they might not like what I have to say but they would still get traffic from it and I would not be nasty about making a comment on their lack of ethics or whatever it is that I would comment on.

          In any case I believe fair use and editorial use of quotes is a commonly accepted practice under the copyright laws of at least the U.S. across the internet.

          So some internet marketers might not like what I have to say but I would certainly be fine in quoting them to not only highlight their technique but also to point out what I consider to be a less than ethical or right way of operating.

          If my newsletter becomes real successful I might even get a cease and desist letter from a lawyer but aside from looking upon that as a chance to stand up for free speech (and get even more traffic to my newsletter) that is the nature of success. Some will try any and every means to shut it down if it means that their less than steller techniques are outed and commented on negatively as part of that success. I certainly won't sugar coat the issues involved.

          Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author duncanb
    Well it looks like you have a got a strategy that you are willing to implement - so goodluck. You could also consider offering a free product to subs whom sign up as a subscriber. This reaps huge benifits for both you and the subs.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielCW
    Hey Carlos

    I suppose the real key to success is being able to solve people's problems. If you have good content that people need then you will get the list. I wish you luck and let us know how it goes. By the way, will you be tracking your experiment?
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by DanielCW View Post

      Hey Carlos

      I suppose the real key to success is being able to solve people's problems. If you have good content that people need then you will get the list. I wish you luck and let us know how it goes. By the way, will you be tracking your experiment?
      Not sure what you mean by tracking my experiment Daniel. Can you clarify?

      Incidentally it may take me a week to set things up since I am busy with some other things and may not have as much time to devote to this as I was hoping to have.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Rajan Cajan
    Carlos,
    Can blogger be used for commercial use?
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Hi Rajan,

      I read through their TOS carefully and set up a couple of blogs there and as far as I can tell they are fine with business blogs. What they do not allow is the set up of fake blogs to feed link juice to sites for the purpose of improving page rank.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielCW
    Hey Carlos

    Do you track how many impressions you get? How many subscribe and then obviously how many people eventually buy from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Yes for sure Daniel. I have been tracking how many people come to my test blog on blogger through my signature. And while the numbers have been minimal it has allowed me to see a real potential for building a list through forum signatures alone.

      I have really not pushed forum signatures across the various forums I belong to. I have just been testing and watching how my signature does here and it's been encouraging to see the results from the standpoint that my forum signature has indeed pulled some traffic over to my test blog.

      I have also seen how ezine articles pull in traffic. Up to now I haven't really paid much attention to that traffic and have seen it more as a nuisance since such traffic never clicks on Adsense ads but the traffic has been coming.

      Now...with list building I will want to capture that traffic and use it to help me build a list. I will write articles for list building in other words. Something I have never used articles for.

      Up to now, I have been focused entirely on getting a good ranking for Adsense sites I have built.

      The problem has been that I do not have an unlimited supply of money to keep registering domain names for Adsense sites to see which one's stick to the proverbial wall. So I (and my partner) have only been able to build a limited number of such sites. The focus now is on getting more of the sites we do have into the top ten but that takes time (Google sometimes takes forever to recognize changes at our sites) and it's not guaranteed that when they get there...that they will make any money at all (I've already seen one site reach position 3 in the SERP's and be a total dud money wise...despite Google Keyword Tool traffic numbers).

      I have been looking for a more surefire and faster way of making some money at internet marketing and list building using something I can offer that has value seems like the ticket while I continue to try and get our Adsense sites to rank well.

      Adsense is a tough way to make money. It's peanut pay and I mean truly peanut pay at the very beginning. It involves a whole lot of writing and a never ending need to keep writing. And one has to contend with Google's quirks and policies while trying to rank Adsense sites...which is not fun.

      List building completely bypasses Google (at least with the approach to list building that I will be using) where I don't have to be concerned with what Google thinks anymore. At least not in a way that will cause my list built business to grow or fail depending on whether or not Google is having a ranking burp.

      Between using forum signatures at the various forums I belong to and writing ezine type articles, guest blogging, and other such techniques I believe I can pull in a good solid 50 views per day to my list landing page. If I add a free PDF report in there that is good for newbie's to allow them to get a better handle on some technical aspect of being on the internet (I am especially knowledgeable and good at the technical side of things given that I am a web developer) I may be able to virally increase that traffic substantially, if it catches on.

      All I need is a good 10/20 subscribers per day to my free auto-responder newsletter with quotes from the Masters and I should be able to make a good $200-$500 per month from Hostgator affiliate sales alone. That's peanuts I know but enough to allow me to then reinvest that money into either more Adsense sites, get aweber, and just rinse and repeat what works.

      And it will be a good shot in the arm to re-energize my internet marketing efforts and give me some continuing encouragement.

      Sorry for the long answer Daniel but I thought sharing more in line with what you asked about might be useful for others to hear.

      Carlos

      PS. I just now re-read your question Daniel and I believe you are of the impression that I have already built a list or something. The short answer to your question is that I have no list to be able track impressions and sales through. This thread has been to get input about a list building idea. A real list as such is still hypothetical for me. I have no list yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
        I agree with John...you need a title with more "pull"...he had a good one.

        My humble attempt:

        Free Top-Secret Internet Marketing Masters' Money-Making Tips

        Of course, that's more than a bit clunky, over-long and not that well-written. (Yay me!)

        Possibly:

        "The Internet Marketing Master Spy: Discover Their Secret Tricks To Success"

        That one's possibly a bit better...still not where it needs to be, but you get the idea; instead of just a simple name for the list (like "Water"), you want something that gets their attention and helps pique their interest and desire to find out more (like "Scientists Agree: Without This You Will Die").
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Thanks for the suggested titles Dave. You and John both make a very good point about the need for a title with more pizzaz. I haven't settled on a title yet. I'll think about it more over the weekend as I got too much going on today to really do much with this.

          Hmm...a few more possibilities just came to mind.

          - Successful SEO and Internet Marketer Sayings
          - Proverbs of Successful Internet Marketer and SEO Masters
          - The Sayings of Successful Internet Marketers and SEO Masters
          - The Internet Marketing and SEO Pipeline of Notable Quotes
          - Free Internet Marketing and SEO Lessons from the Masters
          - Free Mini-Lessons from Internet Marketing and SEO Experts
          - Internet Marketing and SEO Experts Speak
          - Chosen Words from the Best Internet Marketing and SEO Masters
          - The Masters of the Internet Speak
          - Internet Masters and Their Notable Words
          - Nuggets of Gold from Internet Marketing and SEO Masters
          - Pure Gold Nuggets from Internet Marketing and SEO Masters
          - The Gold in the Words of Internet Marketing and SEO Masters
          - Golden Words of Internet Marketings and SEO Masters
          - Words to Succeed By
          - Words From the Masters of Internet Success
          - Wise Words from Internet Masters

          Lots of possibilities. I think I will make a master list and carefully review my own and suggested titles over the weekend.

          Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author cragar
    Do you want to build your list Quickly?

    Implement this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...made-easy.html

    Just a thought!
    Cragar
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    "No BS straight Online Marketing Facts Most Marketers Won't Tell You"
    "The Most Open IM Newsletter You'll Ever Read"
    "I Tell It Like I See It Newsletter"
    "SEO Strategies Others Are Afraid Of revealing"

    just some unconventional titles for you to consider
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Thanks Davioli. I'll add those to my list of possible titles.

      Here are some more than came to mind...

      - Pearls of Wisdom from Internet Masters
      - Pearls of Wisdom from Internet Marketing and SEO Masters
      - Proverbs and Sayings of Internet Masters
      - Internet Masters Revealed - In Their Own Words
      - The Secrets of Internet Masters Revealed - In Their Own Words
      - The Unguarded Secrets of Internet Masters - In Their Own Words
      - In Their Own Words - The Secrets of Internet Marketing and SEO Masters

      Here's another quote for your all's viewing pleasure, from one of our very own

      From: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...imization.html

      Per Don (goes under the name dburk on the Warrior Forum):

      "Search engines definitely prefer HTML, but fortunately for Wordpress users the WP scripts output in HTML. The SE's don't care what server-side technology you use they only look at the HTML. Serve up some good HTML using Wordpress, any other CMS or hand coded, it doesn't make one bit of difference to the search engines."
      I would expand on this quote of course and add my own two cents to what Don said.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    Offer something free and put a value on it. This will increase your opt in rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Carlos, are you at least attributing your tips to their sources? If I were on your list I'd find the information much more valuable if you name the source, especially if you link to them for my convenience. I actually would subscribe for that, but not otherwise.

    To me, if you attribute your quotes to the source, you're providing a valuable service; but if you do not, you're trying to build yourself up on the backs of others.

    The somewhat ironic thing about it is, if you attribute the source, you'll build your own credibility by association with those you find useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Carlos, are you at least attributing your tips to their sources?
      Absolutely Dennis. Without fail. If you look at some of the sample quotes I have included in my previous posts on this thread that is the basic format of my quotes. They would -all- include a source URL, the name of the person who said it as best I can tell, and the quote itself.

      The somewhat ironic thing about it is, if you attribute the source, you'll build your own credibility by association with those you find useful.
      Absolutely. This is a way for me to not only save people time in finding the nuggest of gold that are all over the internet but also a way for me to build up my own credibility as I comment and expand on what the experts have said in their quotes.

      Kinda like riding their own credibility coat-tails to build my own.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        Absolutely. This is a way for me to not only save people time in finding the nuggest of gold that are all over the internet but also a way for me to build up my own credibility as I comment and expand on what the experts have said in their quotes.

        Kinda like riding their own credibility coat-tails to build my own.

        Carlos
        Carlos, you are a smart cookie...

        I've told people this exact thing many times, but they all seem to cling to the notion that borrowing material ethically from other people (with due credit) diminishes their "expert status." They think they prove their expertise by stealing content and claiming they came up with it.

        By sharing recognized experts' knowledge and giving both credit and your seal of approval, you elevate yourself to the same level. In effect, you are saying "I know what's good, and this is really good."

        Or, as you pointed out, "I know crap when I see it, and this is crap. It doesn't matter how famous Guru Joe is, this is wrong."

        Good on you for getting this, Carlos...
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Thanks John. Hey...I love your signature by the way! Very funny.

          Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        Absolutely Dennis. They would -all- include a source URL, the name of the person who said it as best I can tell, and the quote itself.
        In that case I'd definitely give your list a try. It sounds like it could be a time-saver for me. Let me know when you're set up and ready to go.
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          I'll just announce it on this thread Dennis, assuming I can do that here, when my list is ready though it may be up to a week before I have everything set up. Real life, as usual, is encroaching on my internet marketing attempts in that I must spend time doing other things that are more pressing at the moment.

          Thanks for your encouragement Dennis. Much appreciated. If I am not mistaken I think I've quoted you as one of the Internet Masters in my quotes somewhere from off a thread here. You usually have some good things to share Dennis.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author carlos123
            You know I was thinking tonight about the way to set this up practically and this is one idea I had.

            Send out a weekly newsletter by email through an autoresponder. The email will consist of the quote + the source url and a little paragraph or two blurb from me about the quote.

            Followed by a link to a web site that will have fuller coverage of the quote topic, written by me (I write very well about technical issues that may be somewhat difficult to understand when I set myself to do so).

            That way those that are real busy and more experienced and not so much interested in what I might have to say can just go right to the source of the quote and read what the author of that quote said for themselves.

            And those who are interested in seeing what I have to say and perhaps less experienced can visit my site and get the full, all out treatise including any nice graphical pictures to explain the topic of the quote.

            I will do a little affiliating at either the newsletter or the site or both as the case may be.

            Now the problem comes in when those who read the newsletter go to my site. Since I want to set this on auto-pilot more or less, except for the traffic building which I will do every day...all newsletter issues will be right there at the site for all the world to see. Even ahead of the actual newsletter sent out by email.

            To be sure I don't have to put up all issues at once but eventually they will all be at the site and new subscribers will be able to see them all at once. Not necessarily good.

            So...I was thinking that I could detect whether a visitor is coming from the newsletter or not. If they are coming from the newsletter then they will be presented with the one page of content tied to that newsletter and no more. If they are coming from the search engine or elsewhere then they will be presented with my landing page encouraging them to join the newsletter.

            That seems like the best way to handle this.

            Some affiliate programs don't work through a newsletter text affiliate link (like Aweber's). They require the placement of a tracking cookie so newsletter subscribers must come to a site to click through to the affiliate program. So I have to have something on-site to motivate them to read the rest of the newsletter at the site as opposed to the newsletter alone.

            I was thinking that I could also offer what I write as a one time, exclusive article for inclusion into an existing, related but not competing, newsletter too as another way to build my own list. And I could promote that through the list itself where each issue and what it covers could be grabbed by just one person to be included and exclusively so, into their list as guest content. Especially formatted for their list. One time. Exclusively to not be made available to anyone else apart from my newsletter subscribers. Not sure about the exclusive part yet but that's one possible added value benefit I was thinking of offering subscribers.

            Anyway that's what I've got so far.

            Anybody got any thoughts or suggestions on the above?

            Carlos
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Here's a quick one for you...

              Are you planning to schedule messages that you want to go out following the same pre-determined schedule for each subscriber regardless of when they subscribe? Or are you planning to simply send a weekly newsletter?

              If you aren't setting up message sequences to go out automatically, why do you need and autoresponder? Why not go old school and use the mailing list program provided in your cPanel?

              If you set it up as an announcement list, you can broadcast your newsletter as you wish. Archive the back issues on your website.

              It's a little old school, but it works and the price is right...
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              • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                Hi John,

                I have been planning to send out newsletters in email form automatically through an auto-responder. I would just load the auto-responder with an initial 12 issues (with onsite expanded articles from me at my site) to see how the list goes with respect to making me some money. If it works I would then continue to add issues to the autoresponder to make a years worth of issues.

                Once done or while doing that I would also focus on traffic building to my landing page allowing new subscribers to sign up.

                Basically I would funnel people to the start of the newsletter sequence and let the autoresponder take care of sending things out on time.

                I don't think I could sustain an indefinite newsletter of quotes. Although I have a great many already accumulated, to sustain an ongoing and indefinite newsletter of quotes would entail a constant need for me to find new one's. Which would defeat the purpose of setting this up to run more or less on auto-pilot. I am trying to get away from being married to my computer LOL.

                If I can set it up on auto-pilot and develop a good system I can then go on to create additional newsletters on other topics and build up a newsletter empire of auto-responding money makers. Where the only work I would have to do is drive traffic to the landing pages of each.

                I would tweak and tweak the sequence of each newsletter to get the best return possible and then promote the landing pages like crazy.

                The advantage I see to your approach John is that by archiving the issues the search engines will give me some traffic as well. The disadvantage is that subscribers will fly through the the newsletter overnight, read all the issues ahead of time, and then unsubscribe. Not to mention that tracking how effective my newsletter is will be made much more difficult in that subscribers will be flirting around all over the place among the issues archived at my site.

                Off the top of my head...not sure that's a good idea John, unless I am missing something.

                Carlos

                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Are you planning to schedule messages that you want to go out following the same pre-determined schedule for each subscriber regardless of when they subscribe? Or are you planning to simply send a weekly newsletter?

                If you aren't setting up message sequences to go out automatically, why do you need and autoresponder? Why not go old school and use the mailing list program provided in your cPanel?

                If you set it up as an announcement list, you can broadcast your newsletter as you wish. Archive the back issues on your website.

                It's a little old school, but it works and the price is right...
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              • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
                I would sign up for your list. I would be just curious enough.

                Let me ask are you doing any keyword research for
                putting keywords in your title to get natural search
                also.

                You've got to do some advertising in the beginning to get
                a good start.
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Hi All Night Cafe (it's Still Up Listbuilder LOL)....

                  I'd love to have you sign up for my list but...I don't yet have one. I hope to have one set up, hopefully in another week though that time frame is by no means certain...it looks like I am going to have to create my own autoresponder in PHP. I can't afford Aweber, don't trust the free one's I have looked at so far or they don't have the features I want, and I am not that impressed with the self-hosted PHP autoresponder scripts that I have looked at so far.

                  Regarding keyword research...nah. I am doing no keyword research with a view to getting search engine traffic. My list and my traffic building will be strictly focused on assertive traffic building techniques that have nothing to do with the search engines (I need a break from their burps and Bluefart this and Black Hat that anyway LOL). Such as using forum signatures, guest blogging, article writing, viral PDF freebies, etc..

                  No advertising is needed. There are lots of ways to build a list freely. Now I do have to put work into getting the traffic to my landing page but that's a given. I mean that some work is involved.

                  Gosh...this thread is turning into a see someone start a list from scratch step by step lesson LOL. Not bad for those wanting to learn to do this I guess...including me

                  Carlos

                  Originally Posted by All Night Cafe View Post

                  I would sign up for your list. I would be just curious enough.

                  Let me ask are you doing any keyword research for
                  putting keywords in your title to get natural search
                  also.

                  You've got to do some advertising in the beginning to get
                  a good start.
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                  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                    Okay, you do want to preload the letters. So an autoresponder is the way to go. Maybe I spent too much time in the sun yesterday...

                    With a limited number of issues, archiving them all doesn't make sense, for the reasons you describe.

                    So I'd amend that to archiving one or two of your best ones as samples, for people who may be hesitant to get on yet another marketing list. Shows off your approach, so they get a chance to examine the "merchandise"...

                    You may even want to only show one at a time, and rotate them.

                    Pick the right ones (issues with quotes from prominent or prolific bloggers), and you might even pick up some search benefit from the track-back links...

                    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                    Hi John,

                    I have been planning to send out newsletters in email form automatically through an auto-responder. I would just load the auto-responder with an initial 12 issues (with onsite expanded articles from me at my site) to see how the list goes with respect to making me some money. If it works I would then continue to add issues to the autoresponder to make a years worth of issues.

                    Once done or while doing that I would also focus on traffic building to my landing page allowing new subscribers to sign up.

                    Basically I would funnel people to the start of the newsletter sequence and let the autoresponder take care of sending things out on time.

                    I don't think I could sustain an indefinite newsletter of quotes. Although I have a great many already accumulated, to sustain an ongoing and indefinite newsletter of quotes would entail a constant need for me to find new one's. Which would defeat the purpose of setting this up to run more or less on auto-pilot. I am trying to get away from being married to my computer LOL.

                    If I can set it up on auto-pilot and develop a good system I can then go on to create additional newsletters on other topics and build up a newsletter empire of auto-responding money makers. Where the only work I would have to do is drive traffic to the landing pages of each.

                    I would tweak and tweak the sequence of each newsletter to get the best return possible and then promote the landing pages like crazy.

                    The advantage I see to your approach John is that by archiving the issues the search engines will give me some traffic as well. The disadvantage is that subscribers will fly through the the newsletter overnight, read all the issues ahead of time, and then unsubscribe. Not to mention that tracking how effective my newsletter is will be made much more difficult in that subscribers will be flirting around all over the place among the issues archived at my site.

                    Off the top of my head...not sure that's a good idea John, unless I am missing something.

                    Carlos
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                    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                      Maybe I spent too much time in the sun yesterday...
                      Must be nice . I miss living in Florida and the Florida scene though San Diego is not too bad (not the same atmosphere though).

                      So I'd amend that to archiving one or two of your best ones as samples, for people who may be hesitant to get on yet another marketing list. Shows off your approach, so they get a chance to examine the "merchandise"...
                      Excellent suggestion John. I hadn't thought about that. Thanks.

                      You may even want to only show one at a time, and rotate them.
                      Aside from the two issues that I will make freely available to all per your suggestion John...I will be showing one issue at a time and only the issue tied to the quote given in my emailed version of the newsletter. So I will email out a quote with a couple of paragraphs in my own words explaining what the quote is about and will include a link to my fuller comments at my site. When a subscriber clicks through to visit my site they will only ever be shown the one issue connected with the email sent out.

                      I will use .htaccess mod_rewrite and PHP to redirect them and generate the one issue for them on the fly. They will have to go through my PHP generating script and that script will generate the appropriate issue based on the URL link included in the email (a URL that is only given out through the email and not generally available over the internet).

                      Thanks again for your suggestions John. Much appreciated.

                      I'll spend the next week building my autoresponder PHP class to perform the email functions I will need.

                      Carlos
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                      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                        Yippee! I think I found me an list/autoresponder program written in PHP and freely available to use that will save me a lot of time. It's called phplist and it's open source.

                        The capabilities of this list building PHP program are quite impressive. Perhaps even rivaling AWeber. Don't know.

                        But in any case it has way more capabilities than I need for my own list. And given that it's open source I can modify the code to suit my own, more particular needs, if I need to do so.

                        Did I mention that it's free? Gotta love that open source stuff!

                        I need to check with Hostgator to see if they have any email throttling or other limits on mailing lists but if they are good to go from their end I think phplist is what I will use.

                        Carlos
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                        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                          Okay...I've settled on a tentative title for my list and would appreciate input on the one I've chosen.

                          Drumroll please.....

                          Unguarded Secrets of Internet Masters

                          The "unguarded secrets" part pulls I think. The quotes are secretive in the sense that they are buried in an otherwise huge mountain of information spread out all over the internet. Kinda of like looking for a needle of gold in a giant haystack.

                          In other words not generally known.

                          But they are unguarded in the sense that the quotes are available to any who might find them.

                          Internet Masters allows me to quote not only SEO and Internet Marketing Masters and Experienced persons but also PHP, Google, and any number of other "Masters". Masters being a party that knows what they are talking about and is at the top of their niche or among peers such as in a forum.

                          What do you think?

                          Carlos

                          PS. I am toying with the idea of scrapping the quotes list and instead shifting over to a list oriented around helping Internet Marketing newbie's understand the technical side of internet marketing (i.e. WordPress, website building, autoresponders, SEO principles, keyword research, etc..). I was reading the "What do newbie's want thread" and it appears that there is a hunger to understand the technical side of things in addition to the make money side.

                          The problem with the quotes list is that few subscribers (like from this forum) will be prime targets to sell Hostgator hosting to. They will already have been there and done that. Whereas newbie marketers will still be in the "Where do I host stage". A better target market for me perhaps. Not sure yet. Got to think about it some more.
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                        • Profile picture of the author renu
                          Hey Carlos,

                          Just checking back to see what you're up to and boy am I amazed..

                          Speaking of autoresponders there's a 100% free one called ListWire. I wrote a blog post about it here:

                          ListWire.com The First 100% FREE Professional Autoresponder Service | Latest Internet Marketing, Social Media And List Building News

                          And also I wanna be one of your subscribers if you don't mind

                          So as soon as you launch this newsletter you make sure you post an update over here

                          Cheers, Remi



                          Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                          Yippee! I think I found me an list/autoresponder program written in PHP and freely available to use that will save me a lot of time. It's called phplist and it's open source.

                          The capabilities of this list building PHP program are quite impressive. Perhaps even rivaling AWeber. Don't know.

                          But in any case it has way more capabilities than I need for my own list. And given that it's open source I can modify the code to suit my own, more particular needs, if I need to do so.

                          Did I mention that it's free? Gotta love that open source stuff!

                          I need to check with Hostgator to see if they have any email throttling or other limits on mailing lists but if they are good to go from their end I think phplist is what I will use.

                          Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author warrich
    I think your idea is a good one, although there is so many methods
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