What Is The Point Of Buying Databases For My Sites?

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I would appreciate some opinions here about databases and website building please...

I was checking out this site that is selling what is supposed to be an easy way to build websites in an afternoon that will have hundreds or even thousands of pages.

1) The guy claims that massive sites like that get a PR 3 to PR4 within a few months...just because of their size...and he said nothing at all about backlinking. Is it true you can get a high PR for a huge site with no backlinks?

2) He also says that the way to make your sites massive is to use a database that you buy. And he said that your site would have unique content from this database. But if I can buy this database and others can buy this database, then how does the content become unique? Keep in mind that he says you can build a multi-thousand page site using his tool in an afternoon. Anyone know anything about that stuff?

3) He said nothing about doing keyword research either but said that its no big deal if the site doesn't produce because you can just sell it.

The site has no contact page so I'm going to track down the guy some other way.

Thanks
Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Not sure what he means. The content has to come from somewhere even if its a database and it should be your content no rehashed stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

    3) He said nothing about doing keyword research either but said that its no big deal if the site doesn't produce because you can just sell it.

    The site has no contact page so I'm going to track down the guy some other way.
    Two alarming points...

    No contact info & someone trying to tell you "it's no big deal because you can just...."

    That's like a doctor chopping off your leg when you went in for your tonsils out, and telling you "It's no big deal because you can just hop"

    If you can just "sell it" why doesn't he just sell it?

    Check his references and follow up on them if you're going to invest.

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  • Profile picture of the author studentwarrior
    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post


    2) He also says that the way to make your sites massive is to use a database that you buy. And he said that your site would have unique content from this database. But if I can buy this database and others can buy this database, then how does the content become unique? Keep in mind that he says you can build a multi-thousand page site using his tool in an afternoon. Anyone know anything about that stuff?
    Not true. This is a pure sales talk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    "...but said that its no big deal if the site doesn't produce because you can just sell it."

    It occurs to me, that's exactly what he's doing, selling it to the next sucker...because it doesn't produce.

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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Since posting this, I was able to track him down on another blog and found a contact page there and sent him a bunch of questions.

      @Travisman: The database isn't for email or direct mail marketing. Instead it is a db of thousands of pages of content for your site.

      Thanks
      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
        I'd recommend staying away. This is basically the adsense business in a box or whatever it was called, but could be bigger and even messier. I tried a few years ago and they were just a big mess in a db dump. These tricks worked a few years ago, I really doubt they are worth the bother anymore, and if you really wanted to try it then don't bother paying, you'll find stuff like this all over the internet fro free.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by Talltom1 View Post

      "...but said that its no big deal if the site doesn't produce because you can just sell it."

      It occurs to me, that's exactly what he's doing, selling it to the next sucker...because it doesn't produce.

      Talltom
      I have been suckered twice; the first time I paird $6000 for a lyrics site, and the second time $3500 for an MP3 file directory site. The sellers did not lie about the income or traffic. The first site made $600-900 per month and the second $300-400 a month. Both were off pretty unique design and had tens of thousands of pages.

      In both case, the traffic was alright for the first 2-3 months and then suddenly collapsed. That was a few years ago and at that time, I didn't know anything about duplicate content filters. Now I know that most of the pages were relegated into the supplementary index by Google. Nowadays, Google no longer list results as being in the supplementary index.

      The lesson is do not buy sites that are made from large non-unique databases.

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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        Its called EZ Empire Builder. The guy that developed this responded very quickly and answered all my questions. Its not very expensive but I'm not sold yet.

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
          Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

          Its called EZ Empire Builder. The guy that developed this responded very quickly and answered all my questions. Its not very expensive but I'm not sold yet.

          Steve
          I was looking at this last night as well. It's possible to make such an autoblog more unique than an ordinary autoblog scraping RSS feeds, articles, videos etc. because you build a unique template to post the DB (and I believe it has a spinner integrated in it as well) but I think that would also depend on how widely your database is being used. I doubt a song lyrics DB would fare well today in the search engines.

          What about building your own unique databases? Is that impossible to do or have done if you outsource it?

          What were his replies to the questions you posed to him?
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
        The lesson is that you don't keep updating the site. So google thinks that there's no one maintaining the site, and as a result, bam, you're getting kicked.

        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        I have been suckered twice; the first time I paird $6000 for a lyrics site, and the second time $3500 for an MP3 file directory site. The sellers did not lie about the income or traffic. The first site made $600-900 per month and the second $300-400 a month. Both were off pretty unique design and had tens of thousands of pages.

        In both case, the traffic was alright for the first 2-3 months and then suddenly collapsed. That was a few years ago and at that time, I didn't know anything about duplicate content filters. Now I know that most of the pages were relegated into the supplementary index by Google. Nowadays, Google no longer list results as being in the supplementary index.

        The lesson is do not buy sites that are made from large non-unique databases.

        Derek
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  • Profile picture of the author duncanb
    Can you post the site? To me this sounds like the chap is off with the faries.
    If you smell a rat, dont jump on the bandwagon!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Bryant
    The claims that are being made about this database seem to be acceptable, save for the unique content angle. Obviously, if this person is selling this content to multiple customers, then it is no longer unique.

    The most important part of this database is the type of content that it contains. I have purchased databases in the past that contained of all the countries and cities in the world, and another that held the names and locations of every restaurant by city/state in the U.S., and so forth.

    So yes, you can build massive websites with this type of information. Also, being that this type of content is great for quick referencing, webmasters tend to link to informational sites such as these with little apprehension; which would support the claims of quickly gaining PR.

    As always though, do your due diligence, and if the content is in line with your needs and you feel comfortable with the seller, then go ahead with your purchase. I would surmise that this seller has a website already populated with this database. If so, you should ask to view it before you make a final decision. The databases that I have purchased had sold between $40 and $80, so you could use that as a benchmark for what one could run you.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    A 5 page site can be just as profitable (and in some cases, more profitable) than an enormous 3,000 page site. Ask yourself what your objectives are first, then decide on the smartest way to acheive them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I've seen hundreds and hundreds of "database" sites that were sold with a database in multiple copies. Why would that be unique? It isn't.

    I deleted a database site I had after I found that he had been selling them for $50 for months and there were probably hundreds of them that were nearly identical.

    No contact info, false claims, the quote "if it doesn't work, just sell it".
    Sounds like a shady operator to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    As to the first question, I think it is quite possible based on my own experience. In June I started a blog and added 1 new post every other day and 3 months later Google elevated the blog to PR1. In Mid-November I started another blog, added 3 to 10 posts daily and by Mid-December, Google had elevated me to PR1.

    In the first instance, the key was to hit 40 posts and about 3 months of time. In the second instance, the key was to hit 100 posts and only 1 month of time. While I realize that sampling only 2 blogs doesn't prove causality, I am encouraged to repeat the proceedure to see if it happens again.

    In the meantime, PR doesn't really mean much as near as I can tell. Traffic, on the other hand means everything, and I'd rather have 100 uniques a day with PR0 than 10 uniques with PR9.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Like I said previously; I was able to track down the developer of EZ Empire Builder (at his blog) and he did respond very quickly to my questions. My questions were based on the information available on his sales page...and here they are...


      Hi Steve,
      See my responses below...

      1) You said that building massive sites like the ones you describe often get a PR3 to 4 within a few months...just because of their size. Why is that?

      This is due to internal linking between thousands of pages. Internal links don't count as much as inbound links but they do each carry some small weight. So, a 20K page site carries with it enough weight to pull some PR.



      2) You also suggest you populate these sites with databases. Where would I buy these databases and typically what do they cost (minimum to maximum)? I did see the "old" ones you are offering for $50.00.

      They range from a few dollars up to $1000 or more. Typically though, you can get a good database for $50-150.

      Good sources for finding quality databases:

      The very best databases would be,

      * databases that either you put together yourself using a scraper and some elbow grease

      * databases that you build using a macro tool like iMacros to scrape content from the web (be careful, there may be copyright issues using someone else's content)

      * Hiring someone to build a quality content database for you (pleas email me at joe@bumblesoft.com. I will put you in touch with someone that can do this for you at a reasonable price)

      * Purchase quality databases online.

      Commercial Sources:

      http://www.odditysoftware.com
      Buy Databases for Sale & Download, Database Content for Sale - Scraping Web


      Search Engine Searches:

      "Database for sale"
      "Databases for sale"
      Content Database for sale
      Content Databases for sale
      "Database for sale" + keyword
      Content Databases for sale + keyword
      Content databases download + keyword


      Forums:

      It is very common for people to sell databases on various marketing forums like

      * Webmaster Forum - Internet Marketing & Search Engine Forums
      * http://warriorforum.com/
      * http://BlueFartworld.com
      * http://forum.syndk8.com

      There are many, many more...

      ** We will also be trying to recruit someone within our ranks who has the entrepreneurial vision to broker some good content data and work with us to provide good, affordable databases to our customers.




      3) You said that the content for these sites would be unique but how is that possible when other people are probably buying and populating their sites with the same databases?

      The nature of EZ Empire Builder is to allow you to take this data and rearrange it, customize it, spin it, etc. This results in unique content. Even if a hundred people used the same database, in all liklihood (assuming people aren't horribly lazy which they often times are) the results would be significantly different.



      4) I do a lot of keyword research (which I totally dislike) before I build a site, but you say nothing on your site about doing any keyword research for these big sites. Is it not necessary to do keyword research on these big sites? If not, why?

      This is entirely up to you and depends on what sort of content you wish to put into your site. I generally DO like to add keywords, of course, so I can control my reach within my niche on various search engines. But, often times, databases will contain all the necessary keywords.

      EZE is not a copy/paste, one-click solution for site building. That is not its intention.

      It is a powerful tool that will give people with the intent of creating quality sites a tool that is up to the job.

      Although you can just churn and burn, I don't like to personally do it that way. For that, I use my other plugins (wp tube, wp scraper, wp feeder, wp rewriter, wp spinner and wordpress cloaker. Fast, easy auto-blogs.) But for EZE, I like to create higher quality sites that will have more longevity in the search engines.




      5) If I do need to do intensive keyword research prior to building my sites, and I need to someone make the content unique, how can anyone do all that AND build this huge site in just a few short hours?

      Not sure how to answer that because it depends on the individual. I can create a pretty nice site in 2 hours and an awesome site in 5-8 hrs, roughly.



      6) Please don't take this question the wrong way (or any of my questions!) because I am genuinely interested in ez empire builder, but why would anyone need EZ Empire Builder when they could build a website with some other WP theme that allows them to do a lot of modifications easily? Like the Flexibility Theme for example Flexibility Theme for WordPress or Sales Page Studio: Make More Money Online

      The main difference is that EZE is not a template. With EZE you can use all the various templates, plugins, etc you ordinarilly would to benefit your sites look-and-feel, SEO, versatility, etc etc.

      EZE is just the engine to drive the content.

      So, again, if you are looking for a way to just create quickly generated sites with the ability to pull some targeted search engine traffic, look here:

      http://wordpresscloaker.com

      ...at the unlimited license which comes with some of the most powerful autoblogging plugins around.

      If you want to build high quality sites that have more sticking power in Google, EZE is the better choice.

      Personally, I couldn't live without either of them. They both have their place.

      On top of that, my main money sites are all hand made, hand written content and get much more personal attention. So, for me its more of a tierred system within my large network of sites where I have many autoblogs on one end, quality database/EZE sites in the middle and at the base level, hand made review sites and product sales pages.

      The big money sites at the bottom are the most valuable and make the most money and time.

      EZE is next, taking 5-10 hrs to build good sites that make nice earnings and generate tons of PR that I can later funnel to my base sites.

      At the top, auto-blogs that are also good for PR funneling to my other sites and do also generate some traffic which I redirect, generally using Wordpress Cloaker to my big money sites.

      A pretty deep subject, really that I don't have time to go much deeper into at the moment but I think you get the main idea.

      Hopefully that's been helpful...


      Best Regards,
      Joe
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
        Thanks for posting your Q&A

        Originally Posted by magentawave View Post


        2) You also suggest you populate these sites with databases. Where would I buy these databases and typically what do they cost (minimum to maximum)? I did see the "old" ones you are offering for $50.00.

        They range from a few dollars up to $1000 or more. Typically though, you can get a good database for $50-150.
        Well, I see this as the make or break point of this system. If it's hard and/or expensive to find GOOD databases, there's nothing to do with the plugin!

        And "elbow grease" database? There's no need for this plugin in the first place then!


        3) You said that the content for these sites would be unique but how is that possible when other people are probably buying and populating their sites with the same databases?

        The nature of EZ Empire Builder is to allow you to take this data and rearrange it, customize it, spin it, etc. This results in unique content. Even if a hundred people used the same database, in all liklihood (assuming people aren't horribly lazy which they often times are) the results would be significantly different.
        How much the spinner makes it both readable and unique is the key here.
        I understand the point that few will do this while a lot scrape RSS feeds, but still... Will the posts stick in Google and other SE at least as long tail KWs? Will it work without backlinking campaigns?



        EZE is not a copy/paste, one-click solution for site building. That is not its intention.

        It is a powerful tool that will give people with the intent of creating quality sites a tool that is up to the job.

        Of course we'd all like to "produce quality sites". But let's face it: it is advertised as a super quick site builder, and that's what is the main interest to auto-bloggers! So I don't get this answer.

        EZE is just the engine to drive the content.
        That I do understand. It seems flexible for sure.


        If you want to build high quality sites that have more sticking power in Google, EZE is the better choice.
        So database feeds will stick aournd more tha RSS feeds? Again, it comes back to the quality of the feed and spinner, and if it's shared with many people or not.


        On top of that, my main money sites are all hand made, hand written content and get much more personal attention. So, for me its more of a tierred system within my large network of sites where I have many autoblogs on one end, quality database/EZE sites in the middle and at the base level, hand made review sites and product sales pages.

        The big money sites at the bottom are the most valuable and make the most money and time.

        EZE is next, taking 5-10 hrs to build good sites that make nice earnings and generate tons of PR that I can later funnel to my base sites.

        At the top, auto-blogs that are also good for PR funneling to my other sites and do also generate some traffic which I redirect, generally using Wordpress Cloaker to my big money sites.

        A pretty deep subject, really that I don't have time to go much deeper into at the moment but I think you get the main idea.
        Nice explanation of his system. He paints a pretty clear picture of his business model.

        Bottom line, it's that I wouldn't pay $$$ for a content builder and databases, unless it made ME money. That is not clear, and probably wouldn't be after 30 days. I've had NO sucess with autobloging using well liked plugins and auto promo tools as well. So if this were different I'd be all over it. Now I'm curious but not over the fence.
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        • Profile picture of the author magentawave
          I've had limited success with semi-automatic blogging as far as Adsense and/or affiliate income goes. So now I used two of them to funnel traffic to my money site which is building my list and is also resulting in more sales. It should help a lot when I start an aggressive back linking campaign to those sites.

          As far as EZ, I agree with you Jay in that I'm still very curious but not over the fence sold yet.

          Steve


          Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

          I've had NO sucess with autobloging using well liked plugins and auto promo tools as well. So if this were different I'd be all over it. Now I'm curious but not over the fence.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Are you doing any backlinking for that site?

      Steve


      Originally Posted by Goatboy View Post

      As to the first question, I think it is quite possible based on my own experience. In June I started a blog and added 1 new post every other day and 3 months later Google elevated the blog to PR1. In Mid-November I started another blog, added 3 to 10 posts daily and by Mid-December, Google had elevated me to PR1.

      In the first instance, the key was to hit 40 posts and about 3 months of time. In the second instance, the key was to hit 100 posts and only 1 month of time. While I realize that sampling only 2 blogs doesn't prove causality, I am encouraged to repeat the proceedure to see if it happens again.

      In the meantime, PR doesn't really mean much as near as I can tell. Traffic, on the other hand means everything, and I'd rather have 100 uniques a day with PR0 than 10 uniques with PR9.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    I've been browsing the web for databases and it's harder than it looks!

    Also, most of my searches bring me back to http://www.odditysoftware.com... as most searchers will probably do also.

    BTW what IS his blog?

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    • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
      Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

      I've been browsing the web for databases and it's harder than it looks!

      Also, most of my searches bring me back to http://www.odditysoftware.com... as most searchers will probably do also.

      BTW what IS his blog?

      I tend to agree-I looked around for databases and I didn't see that much. Certainly nothing like what is available with RSS feeds or article content. Getting quality databases that aren't overused-that would be key. In fact how about a software that would build databases for importing into WP-anybody know of such a tool? Then you could have the best of both worlds-autoblogging with unique(or uniquely assembled at least) content.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsh
    Joe is a good guy I have used his wp cloaker plugin for the last year with some good results, the only thing I am more concerned with is that this plugin is a bit grey hat and no one nos if google will like it or dislike the content as of yet. His site for the plugin is EZ Empire Builder: Import Any Database into Wordpress to Create a Niche Website
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Barbour
    I've been using OdditySoftware for a long time and they have great data, but it's up to you to put a system in place to use it. Remember - you're just talking about raw data with no "real" content.

    So if you bought a database of cars, you'd still have to build a website, display the data, and then add in text to make it useful - and there's your unique website.

    If you have a great idea and have $750-1000 to invest in building a basic site, I say run with it yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author gfonline
    Rob - Are you saying with a budget of $750-$1,000 it will by you ez empire software and the databases necessary? Just curious on what you were taking into consideration in your budget.

    Sounds to me like it all boils down to the right database and correctly add text into it.
    basically keywords stuffing the database.
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  • Profile picture of the author Best Affiliate
    I got an email about this EZ Empire again today. I reviewed it a little several months ago but today got another email. It def has my interestest but was wondering if anyone in the forum actually bought and had success? If so it would be great to hear some testimonials before I bought this thing... Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    Page Rank is not going to come from a site that has NO backlinks to it. Not any more.
    I would hate to think what kind of content is going to come from this so called database of content they are spouting about.

    Just because you may have a site with PR doesn't mean it will be getting a lot of traffic. I have seen PR 0 and PR 1 sites get loads of traffic, more so than anyone would believe especially SEO and PR experts and I have seen PR 3 and 4 sites get not a hell of a lot.

    I had a PR 6 site once, before I burned it, that got fairly decent traffic but nothing what you would think it should get. PR to me doesn't really mean a lot, but depends who you talk to.

    I have several "databases" of PLR type content but if you read through it, most of it is total crap content. Back in the day you would see thousands of sites with this crap content with adsense on the sites. NOW, the big G and others SE's are removing these type of sites out and off their systems.

    You do NOT want a ton of crap content on sites because eventually a real person is going to find there way to it as it spews through the SE's and craps up relevant search with it's garbage. People will complain about it and google will toss it off their systems banning the site eventually.

    So in a long winded reply, as usual, just say NO to these crap databases and if you are smart stop listening to anyone that talks about things like this, will cause you problems more than it's worth in the long wind.


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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

    Is it true you can get a high PR for a huge site with no backlinks?
    Would sure be cool if it was...my site wouldn't still be a 0 XD There'd probably be a lot more spam-forums out there, though...
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    • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
      Databases...


      I have been following Chris Rempel's blog were he is currently sharing a method for lead generation that involve creating one super database driven authority site fed by smaller geo located feeder sites

      One of the main aspect of the database site building seem to lie with puting unique description to each of the items....A monumental and potentially onerous task, but then again a case of you get what you pay for

      here is his latest blog post on the subject:

      Where the "Easy" Money is Now, Part 4...

      Hope this helps
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      • Profile picture of the author Wealth Mentor
        Is this now a moot point?? Seems that Bumblesoft (EZ Empire Builder) is not updating their sites or responding to pre-sales inquiries...so does any of this matter any more??

        Has anyone heard from Joe lately???
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        • Profile picture of the author sickbaomei
          Joe is still on top of things though... just got his updated version few days ago

          Originally Posted by Wealth Mentor View Post

          Is this now a moot point?? Seems that Bumblesoft (EZ Empire Builder) is not updating their sites or responding to pre-sales inquiries...so does any of this matter any more??

          Has anyone heard from Joe lately???
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Databases are a very powerful content creation tool and have been an advanced SEOer's best friend for many years.

    Let's say you have a database with the contact info for 100,000 doctors across the USA.

    Using a search process, you can make pages based on keywords, for example:
    New York doctors
    chiropractors
    pediatricians
    plastic surgery

    ...Basically, as fast as you can come up with keywords, you can generate pages for those keywords virtually instantly.

    The problem with buying databases stems from copyright laws. Many of these database people are hard-core scrapers with zero respect for copyright laws.

    And this can also get really tricky concerning copyrights...While one can't copyright facts, scraping details from a yellow pages type site may not be legal.

    However, the US gov to the rescue...Here's a link to tons of US gov (public domain) databases. Not only are these databases legal, they are also free. Before paying for a database, look here first:
    Data.gov



    (Over-simplified) you will need to:

    1. install the database.

    2. create a search engine that can search the database and return the results of the query.

    3. learn to be able to "turn the database inside out"...This means to make search engine friendly "pages" from the results. This can be done through htaccess, mod-rewrite, SSI, etc. While these are tech terms, they are very basic for those that know what they mean so getting hired help for this is cheap and easy.

    Again, once this database driven system is built, you can make pages literally as fast as you can create keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisG
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Databases are a very powerful content creation tool and have been an advanced SEOer's best friend for many years.

      Let's say you have a database with the contact info for 100,000 doctors across the USA.

      Using a search process, you can make pages based on keywords, for example:
      New York doctors
      chiropractors
      pediatricians
      plastic surgery

      ...Basically, as fast as you can come up with keywords, you can generate pages for those keywords virtually instantly.

      The problem with buying databases stems from copyright laws. Many of these database people are hard-core scrapers with zero respect for copyright laws.

      And this can also get really tricky concerning copyrights...While one can't copyright facts, scraping details from a yellow pages type site may not be legal.

      However, the US gov to the rescue...Here's a link to tons of US gov (public domain) databases. Not only are these databases legal, they are also free. Before paying for a database, look here first:
      Data.gov



      (Over-simplified) you will need to:

      1. install the database.

      2. create a search engine that can search the database and return the results of the query.

      3. learn to be able to "turn the database inside out"...This means to make search engine friendly "pages" from the results. This can be done through htaccess, mod-rewrite, SSI, etc. While these are tech terms, they are very basic for those that know what they mean so getting hired help for this is cheap and easy.

      Again, once this database driven system is built, you can make pages literally as fast as you can create keywords.
      sounds great, do you know where can we find more details if we want to learn this stuff on our own?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
        The bottom line, to my way of thinking and IMHO is; think like a person who is searching for information, searching for a solution to a problem, or searching for information on a product or service to possibly buy.

        Put yourself in their shoes and then look at what you are providing or intending to provide. If it is the same regurgitated material that everyone else in your market niche is using, or, if you made a search, landed on your pages and found nothing useful, or were lead to an indirect, or direct sales pitch, how would you feel?

        This is what the search engines feel too. The search engine owners run a business and they've all got a heck of a lot more resources and money than you or I. Try to trick them and they'll get you in the end. And they'll punish (sometimes severely) you and your business, period. It happens regularly.

        Remember, as an individual business owner, you need the Search Engines, they don't need you!

        Please don't think that I'm pointing any fingers at any posters on this thread, because I am not. I am relating fact.

        If you have any doubt as to whether your content is useful or harmful, do your due diligence and (if it's in your nature) air on the side of caution before you use it.

        Just my thoughts,

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Jeff Henshaw View Post

          The bottom line, to my way of thinking and IMHO is; think like a person who is searching for information, searching for a solution to a problem, or searching for information on a product or service to possibly buy.

          Put yourself in their shoes and then look at what you are providing or intending to provide. If it is the same regurgitated material that everyone else in your market niche is using, or, if you made a search, landed on your pages and found nothing useful, or were lead to an indirect, or direct sales pitch, how would you feel?

          This is what the search engines feel too. The search engine owners run a business and they've all got a heck of a lot more resources and money than you or I. Try to trick them and they'll get you in the end. And they'll punish (sometimes severely) you and your business, period. It happens regularly.

          Remember, as an individual business owner, you need the Search Engines, they don't need you!

          Please don't think that I'm pointing any fingers at any posters on this thread, because I am not. I am relating fact.

          If you have any doubt as to whether your content is useful or harmful, do your due diligence and (if it's in your nature) air on the side of caution before you use it.

          Just my thoughts,

          Jeff.

          Hi Jeff,

          Your post seems to be saying that databases have to be over-used or regurgitated info. No one is stopping anyone from creating a database of unique info.

          Plus, why does an established local directory site have "dibbs" on the data for local businesses?

          If someone searches for "dentist in chicago" why can't I market this info like any one else?

          Google is a database driven site and wasn't the first SE and reallly didn't do anything new at all, should they have not started business?

          If it's OK for Google to do on a big scale, why can't the little guy do the same for his/her market?

          There's good videos and bad videos. There's good articles and bad articles. And there are good database driven sites and bad ones.
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    Is some one using EZ Empire Builder?
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    A database of content is just a faster way to build your content base. However this will not work if you are trying to target a certain audience. However what I propose you do instead it would take a bit longer. However you know that you will not be penalized for the content you have on your site.

    What I would do if you just want massive amounts of targeted content is simply head over to google and type in your main target keywords and copy the articles leaving the resource links in tact and now you have an extremely targeted website full of content that you actually want on there. As I said it will take a bit longer to do this but would save you a lot of pain and frustration in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

      A database of content is just a faster way to build your content base. However this will not work if you are trying to target a certain audience. However what I propose you do instead it would take a bit longer. However you know that you will not be penalized for the content you have on your site.

      What I would do if you just want massive amounts of targeted content is simply head over to google and type in your main target keywords and copy the articles leaving the resource links in tact and now you have an extremely targeted website full of content that you actually want on there. As I said it will take a bit longer to do this but would save you a lot of pain and frustration in the long run.
      Or...You add all the articles to a database and display just as you would otherwise, as well as have a search engine for those articles which can be used to build tons more pages.

      If you have all those articles, you can also create pages that organize the articles for people, such as "dog training" "purple widets", etc.

      And these pages are UNIQUE and different from any one else's info, unlike just copying an article.

      As a matter of fact, I found one of these pages in about 2 seconds:
      Real-Estate - Leasing-Renting EzineArticles

      ...And it has a PR4.

      It's a database built page that's been "turned inside out" as I posted above. And because it's database generated, it's dynamic. Anytime a relevant article is posted, the site will automatically update that page.

      BTW...Wordpress blogs are database-generated sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Webmege is half the price of this plugin.

    Webmerge sites can be flipped out of the box - How much are the rights to flip blogs with this plugin ?

    Couldn't you just create an RSS feed from a webmerge site & do the same thing ?
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    Be very carefull dealing with this company. I am in the middle of a dispute with paypay. The proxy storm software does not work and they do not get back to you at all. I bought it over a month ago and it never worked from day one. I am sure I will get my money back through paypal but someone should not have to fight to get their money back. They have a 30 day money back guarantee - don't believe it!! They won't answer your emails. I am looking for as many posts as possible to add this on to to make sure no one else gets ripped off by eatworm.com

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    Just saying and hoping I can stop one less fraudulent transaction over the internet!!
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  • Profile picture of the author amarketing
    As the old saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Well, let me change that a little bit as the IM industry does present many great opportunities that may seem too good to be true, but are. How about "If it sounds to 'easy, push-button, auto-pilot' to be true, it probably is."? Does that sound better? Great.

    Generally, when someone is offering a system that easily builds you an "empire," you have to ask yourself: "Why are they trying to sell me the "empire" and why aren't they building it themselves?" Generally, that is because the "empire" really doesn't work...or at least it doesn't work any more.

    What really raises a red flag is the guarantee. "If it doesn't work...well...that's too bad...just go ahead and try to sell it. We don't want it back."

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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Sinopoli
    Another thing to consider is that the software to build these sites might have malicious code in it. I tested one of these products a couple of years back and was running a backlink check on the site that I built and it was linked to over 50,000 other sites. The software was not only building pages it was linking them to CPA offers that the coders of the software had up. It was a total scam.
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