Was I ripped off?

by cjkw203 19 replies
Hi fellow warriors,

I recently subscribed to a service provided by a well known internet marketer, (wont mention names here but you may be able to guess who from the following description) and bought a domain name which has got around 700 inbound links.

This 'service' tells u the amount of back links for a list of expired domain names but it wont tell u the actual domain name until you pay X amount of money. For this particular domain name, it cost me $34 to find out the actual name of the domain and on top of that i have to register it myself with my preferred registrar. By the way this domain is in the poker niche.

Well after I was given the name of the expired domain, I did an inbound link check and ran some Alexa stats and had a look at how the site looked like on Way Back Machine, but only to find out that the website under this domain was 'Under Construction' since Nov 2007. And the 700 over inbound links were the relentless spamming efforts of the previous owner on people's blogs and websites, along with a whole bunch of his other unrelated links as well on each of his spam comments. Not only that, most of them came from one news site and these pages with his spam links are archived cos it was so long ago.

I questioned the owner and I mentioned that there was no SEO value whatsoever, infact in SEO terms it might be bad to link to that site or to start building a site with that domain, and definitely theres zero traffic from all those links.

He very shortly replied, 'Thats pretty much how it works. Especially in poker and pharmaceuticals. Its best to 301 them to your poker site just make sure you are really careful.'

Am I missing something here guys? I know the basics of IM stuff thou not a pro, but I still dont know why I paid $34 for here.

Would appreciate any helpful comments and advice before I contact him again!


Regards,

Vince
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Based on your description, I would say you were ripped off. Sure you got the name of the domain, but it had no value whatsoever. It sounds like a very important fact was left out - that being that spam techniques were used to generate those backlinks.

    You can try to get your money back, but good luck.

    Also, you can't mention the name here, but you are allowed to let people know privately (if they want to know). Send me a private message with their name, and I'll see if I can find out more. I will also make sure to not do business with them.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tuzic
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      hi,
      sorry but i think you have definitely got ripped off.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Did you say what your monthly fee was?

          I'd say if it was just the $34 then you get what you pay for. But you said something about a monthly fee. What is that supposed to be for?

          And before anyone else says that he got a good value - why don't you put your money where your mouth is and offer him $34 + registration costs for the domain?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            This sounds like one of those situations that could go either way.

            He said that the monthly fees that he pays is roughly about $100 to have access to the "tools". I might feel a bit jaded too if I paid an extra $34 and was given a domain name that was an utter piece of crap.

            However, I have absolutely ZERO experience with expired domains. If I understood the way it worked I might possibly think completely different.

            One thing that I will say though, the guy that you paid gave you a fair response when you questioned him about the quality of the links...

            Most poker and drug sites are notorious for having an ass load of spammy links pointing to them. This might be something you consider in the future when looking for these types of domains.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              However, I have absolutely ZERO experience with expired domains. If I understood the way it worked I might possibly think completely different.
              Me, neither. That's why I just asked how much time was spent researching the domain and how much was expected of the seller of the service... but some people assumed I said I agreed with the seller.

              Not knowing what is normal in these deals, I just asked.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjkw203
    Thanks Michael,

    I'll try getting a refund from him.

    I'll address this issue and see what he says, if he's willing to make improvements to his service then we can forgive him I guess.

    I'll keep you updated.
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    PM me and let me know who that bad apple is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    How much time did it take you to determine that the domain had no value to you, and should the guy have spent that amount of time doing the same research before charging $34 for it?
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    • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
      Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

      How much time did it take you to determine that the domain had no value to you, and should the guy have spent that amount of time doing the same research before charging $34 for it?
      Im 100% with Chris on this one..

      dude, seriously..

      what do you expect for 34 bucks?

      you paid for a service that provided you with an expired domain based on some results..

      If you wanted an expired domain with 700 backlinks checked for quality you'd pay a lot more for that domain.

      Ive purchased 100's and 100's of expired domains.. sure, some have been rubbish.. but not many.. most of them even in the case you mention will most likely list better than a fresh domain.. though in these I have purchased.. some have been amazingly great.. you take the good with the bad.. Or do the research yourself manually..

      At the same time you are dissing a guy who's providing what I imagine is a fair service on this board to people who do not know better. and no I do not know who he his.

      man,, why is everyone so refund happy these days..

      you going to send him $1000k if he sends you one thats got 500 PR 5 links to it?

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      • Profile picture of the author cjkw203
        Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

        Im 100% with Chris on this one..

        dude, seriously..

        what do you expect for 34 bucks?

        you paid for a service that provided you with an expired domain based on some results..

        If you wanted an expired domain with 700 backlinks checked for quality you'd pay a lot more for that domain.

        Ive purchased 100's and 100's of expired domains.. sure, some have been rubbish.. but not many.. most of them even in the case you mention will most likely list better than a fresh domain.. though in these I have purchased.. some have been amazingly great.. you take the good with the bad.. Or do the research yourself manually..

        At the same time you are dissing a guy who's providing what I imagine is a fair service on this board to people who do not know better. and no I do not know who he his.

        man,, why is everyone so refund happy these days..

        you going to send him $1000k if he sends you one thats got 500 PR 5 links to it?

        pete

        Dude,

        I paid a monthly charge to access all his tools, and ontop of that I pay another $34 for him to tell me a domain name which is absolutely useless. And if i wanted another one, i would need to pay another $15 -$40 depending on number and type of inbound links, by type i mean edu, gove and etc.

        Are youre saying that I should just write that $34 off and tell myself that it was all bad luck? I dont get your point man, at the end of the day, when you pay for $34, you get a service or product ideally with $34 worth of value, if not it has to have at least SOME value. I dont expect that domain name to have 700 PR 5 links and if it does, he wouldnt be selling for $34 bucks, but at least it should have some links either with SEO value or could actually drive some traffic.

        Therefore I assume the $34 bucks is the premium that I pay for him to do the research and these inbound links should actually have some value and not just spam links. It took me less than 5 minutes to do a quick check if the domain name was actually worth any value at all.

        If he told me in the first place that some of these expired domains are actually useless cos all the inbound links are spam, no where close I would pay $34 for that. And the sales page, well there is none as he only throws up a couple of videos and it doesn't explain clearly that you might get a domain name which has tons of spam links. Well I thought he was trying to offer a service of real value to us as he already makes something like maybe 100 million dollars a day.

        No offense, but if you are advocating his way of doing business then I would think twice before becoming one of your customers, only my opinion though.

        I spend couple of hundred to a thousand a month all these and its not about the $34 at all, I would rather donate it to the poor than buying something which is absolutely useless.

        I've just received his reply, he just dropped a 2 liner: "There are no refunds for that, I appreciate your feedback. "
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I'm not clear on what you are saying. Is the well known marketer providing the service also the seller of the domain or did thier service simply find the domain for you and you had to deal with a seperate owner?
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    • Profile picture of the author cjkw203
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      I'm not clear on what you are saying. Is the well known marketer providing the service also the seller of the domain or did thier service simply find the domain for you and you had to deal with a seperate owner?
      There is a monthly charge to use all of his web based tools and it is around $100 bucks. , One of the tools available is it analyzes a long list of expired domains and these domains are shown based on the number and type of inbound links. So every domain name is tagged with a price, so unless you buy it, you wont know what the domain name is. So on top of the monthly charge to use the tools, I paid another $34 and I only received a short email saying , right the domain is XXXXX. Then whether you register the domain, its up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Originally Posted by cjkw203 View Post

    Am I missing something here guys? I know the basics of IM stuff thou not a pro, but I still dont know why I paid $34 for here.
    Has the Well-Known-IM built links to that domain? No. Is it his fault that people post blog comments and things to get links. No.

    Haven't you read the sales letter for the service before you bought what you bought? Was it an accurate description of the service? Did it promise quality analysis by human or checking the number of links automatically?
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  • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
    ok.. so now im a bad guy to huh along with the guy who supposedly ripped you off?

    You are obviously new to expired domains..

    there are real gems out there, and even an expired domain with no backlinks will out perform a new domain any day of the week.. especially if its related to your niche..

    I think you'd find that the domain you have would work very well compared to a new domain..

    the point being. for the price you are paying, you get what you pay for. nothign more nothing less.. to get the level of information you require before purchasing an expired domain.. guess what? you'd never get the good ones if they were so rigorously investigated.

    yes you lost your 34 bucks move on, try some more.. thats exactly how it works with expired domains at that price point. Or go find em yourself in google. there's a million of them listed dropping every day.. do the work yourself and save the $34

    What I didn't like about your post is, your very close to defaming another person who appears to be a warrior, who is providing you with a service. just cause you do not like it, does not make this guy a thief

    move on, if you dont like his service.. stop it.. don't go calling him a theif..

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    • Profile picture of the author cjkw203
      Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

      ok.. so now im a bad guy to huh along with the guy who supposedly ripped you off?

      You are obviously new to expired domains..

      there are real gems out there, and even an expired domain with no backlinks will out perform a new domain any day of the week.. especially if its related to your niche..

      I think you'd find that the domain you have would work very well compared to a new domain..

      the point being. for the price you are paying, you get what you pay for. nothign more nothing less.. to get the level of information you require before purchasing an expired domain.. guess what? you'd never get the good ones if they were so rigorously investigated.

      yes you lost your 34 bucks move on, try some more.. thats exactly how it works with expired domains at that price point. Or go find em yourself in google. there's a million of them listed dropping every day.. do the work yourself and save the $34

      What I didn't like about your post is, your very close to defaming another person who appears to be a warrior, who is providing you with a service. just cause you do not like it, does not make this guy a thief

      move on, if you dont like his service.. stop it.. don't go calling him a theif..

      pete

      You've said

      "an expired domain with no backlinks will out perform a new domain any day of the week.. especially if its related to your niche.."
      "the domain you have would work very well compared to a new domain"
      "you got what you pay for"

      Well good of you to point those out, as it partially answers the underlying question of the thread.. However, I still dont see the value of the domain i bought as you are being vague here cos you dont go explaining why. Why would a domain with a bunch of spammy links linking to it will out perform a new domain, and if its true, in what sense, SEO? Does it generate traffic? From understanding, NO. If you beg to differ, please give your reasons.

      However you go on to say "yes you lost your 34 bucks move on, try some more.. thats exactly how it works with expired domains at that price point."

      Which contradicts your statements that the domain is actually worth something. Now are you implying I've lost 34 bucks cos I got something of no value? And I should not get a refund and keep trying because thats the rule of the game?

      The only thing i got from you is that this whole 'I tell you which expired domain to buy' business is like a lottery system whereby if you get something worthless, then too bad, try again until you get a prize.

      I would appreciate the people who are actually in this business step in and comment cos if its not true of what he is saying, hes giving you guys a bad name. If it is true and this is the way it works, then tough luck for me, I just bought something useless, but I'll move on.


      As you can see from the title, 'Was I ripped off?' is a question and any one would know that Im not making a statement here. And please dont divert away from the topic and I accuse me of calling him a thief. I just wanted to know what I've bought and you're not helping out. Never once I have called him a thief.
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      • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
        Originally Posted by cjkw203 View Post

        You've said

        "an expired domain with no backlinks will out perform a new domain any day of the week.. especially if its related to your niche.."
        "the domain you have would work very well compared to a new domain"
        "you got what you pay for"

        Well good of you to point those out, as it partially answers the underlying question of the thread.. However, I still dont see the value of the domain i bought as you are being vague here cos you dont go explaining why. Why would a domain with a bunch of spammy links linking to it will out perform a new domain, and if its true, in what sense, SEO? Does it generate traffic? From understanding, NO. If you beg to differ, please give your reasons.

        However you go on to say "yes you lost your 34 bucks move on, try some more.. thats exactly how it works with expired domains at that price point."

        Which contradicts your statements that the domain is actually worth something. Now are you implying I've lost 34 bucks cos I got something of no value? And I should not get a refund and keep trying because thats the rule of the game?

        The only thing i got from you is that this whole 'I tell you which expired domain to buy' business is like a lottery system whereby if you get something worthless, then too bad, try again until you get a prize.

        I would appreciate the people who are actually in this business step in and comment cos if its not true of what he is saying, hes giving you guys a bad name. If it is true and this is the way it works, then tough luck for me, I just bought something useless, but I'll move on.


        As you can see from the title, 'Was I ripped off?' is a question and any one would know that Im not making a statement here. And please dont divert away from the topic and I accuse me of calling him a thief. I just wanted to know what I've bought and you're not helping out. Never once I have called him a thief.

        heres the thing..

        with expired domains..

        its about age!

        you want an expired domain at least 2 years old.. plus at least one page in google.

        Google Gives Preferrence to aged domains.. Simple as that..

        next..

        2 years + backlinks..

        this is obviously better than no links..

        Next is

        2 year + backlinks + PR = fasting indexing higher rankings.

        Next is

        2 Years + backlinks that have existing traffic.

        Each of the above examples should have at least 1 page in google. why? to prove this domain has not already been delisted.



        What you paid for is Age.

        I suggested that this domain will most likely do better than a new one..

        why? because of its age, Im assuming its at least 2 years old.


        If you do not believe me.. do a parralell test. .one site on this domain and another on a brand new domain.


        Where I come from.. if you accuse someone of ripping you off, you are accusing them of thieving from you, which is a harsh accusation

        You called it lottery, to be honest, I could have put it better myself.. you do take the good ones with the bad.. In my experience with 3rd parties supplying me expired domains.. the good ones have far outweighed the bad ones.

        I have supplied you with enough information above to use as project layout for any php script kiddy on Elance to produce you a script that will find them for you for about $100




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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You WERE ripped off by another trying to entice YOU to rip off ANOTHER!

    How were YOU ripped off? You were given something NOBODY can know exists!

    WHY can't they know? The THEORY is that you can get in BEFORE the people that link to the site realize it is down, and trick them into keeping the link. IF you succeed, you get what you wanted. IF, in the VERY likely case, you fail, the links will disappear. It make take years, but it could be DAYS! They might have ALREADY started the delink process before you even bought the service, which is why nobody could ever know.

    HECK, one jerk managed to get hundreds of links through me. One day I reduced it to 6! When I noticed one link remaining to his site, I scanned everything on my system to get rid off ALL of them. IMAGINE if everyone did that!

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