the german market is dead

14 years ago

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Hallo everybody,

at first, i would like to say i'm pretty happy because i found the warrior forum.

The last weeks i spend some time figuring out what's going on in the german internet marketing scene - and what i found was some kind of frustrating for me.

There is so much "you-can't-succeed"-online mentality even in an internet marketing forum that i thought that it won't make any sense for me to get into IM at all.

What I think I have to decide is related to this question:

Can one succeed with IM in germany? - or should I at first invest some time to improve my english skills and start right on a global scale by approaching all english people with a website / product?

So, if there are some people here with general ideas about limited markets or if somebody even had some or more experiences with the german IM market it would be great for me to learn a few things from you.

Right now just at the beginning of my contact to IM I'm a bit confused. Does it make sense to stick to markets with another consumer behavior and mentality especially in relation to online shopping and info products than the potentially english one is??

Thank you very much for any replies, I'm really looking foward to your response! And thank you for reading this post :-)

zeitgeist

The problem with German and other foreign markets is the lack of affiliate programs.

There are a few like 7reach and a couple others, but for the most part there is a massive lack of affiliate programs to promote.

I personally have never attempted to make a go at these markets other than the initial research phase. So im sure there is some else who can explain it better to you.

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Dan

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zeitgeist

14 years ago

Hi Daniel,

thank you for your reply! My first researches on affiliate programms indeed where not that fertile as i hoped they would be.

If i should decide to go for it anyway, i will be forced to create some own products? As far as I have learned here by now chances are not that good to earn serious money with google adsense etc?

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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Hi Daniel,

thank you for your reply! My first researches on affiliate programms indeed where not that fertile as i hoped they would be.

If i should decide to go for it anyway, i will be forced to create some own products? As far as I have learned here by chances are not that good to earn serious money with google adsense etc?

You could take that route but you're looking at a lot of time and expertise there.

The problem with Adsense would be that since there is a lack of affiliate programs, there would also be a lack of people willing to advertise on Adwords for affiliate commissions.

What that means for you is a low CPC.

[again, not an expert on this topic]

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

The following threads are nor primarily about German language and/or market... but there are a few posts made by warriors that tested the German market, too.

If you have time to browse them, you may find some useful info.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...languages.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-warriors.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-language.html

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zeitgeist

14 years ago

Hallo Istvan,

thank you! I definitely will take a closer look at them.

This forum is vibrating - such kind replies in such a short time!

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MisterMunch

14 years ago

I think you are lucky being German. You have much less competition and a lot of possible customers.

I believe Clickbank has started with German products. You can take a look there. Amazon and eBay is available in Germany. Together with adSense and that should be enough.

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zeitgeist

14 years ago

Found another post (warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/60123-german-warriors-around.html).

Seems like there are other people with a black outlook on german IM market.

"German people are suspicious when it comes to online buying"
"they always look at first where the catch is"
...

I can resonate with that. On the other hand, i really enjoy writing in german and i think my writing skills are pretty good. That is why i'm not sure wether or not i should try it though the market is not that developed (/ or never will be).

What would you do? When I have to exclude Adsense and affiliate programs, should my own product be the choice? Or could you imagine succeeding someone with developing a bigger information plattform for ... lets say IM or a particular hobby or whatever ... and selling ad banners?

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zeitgeist

14 years ago

MisterMunch, this is nearly the first positive statement i've read so far :-) thank you for that one, i should really consider seriously if it wouldn't be a good idea to make use of the less competitive setting.

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

In the third thread I have posted above there is also a "positive post"

(hint: Germans like to read...)

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Bertil Jenner

14 years ago

Does Radio, newspaper and tv advertising work in Germany?

In my local betting shop, you will rarely see people who appear successful. But that does not mean that betting is not a profitable business. It just depends where you have positioned yourself within the betting industry.

The German market is very very lucrative. Heck I do not speak German and have made money from it. I am sure you could do a lot better.

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MisterMunch

14 years ago

I have no idea though about how much money are in the online german market. All I know is that any market will adjust to the online world sooner or later. Work hard now and you will be able to cash in when more germans starts buying online. I live in norway and I make several sale of english products writing reviews in norwegian.

Though Norwegians are more comfortable in english than Germans are though. And BTW The netherlands love their nike sneakers. I suppose germans to to.

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TelegramSam

14 years ago

By the way, there is more to internet marketing than becoming an affiliate. There are far more opportunities than that.

The day people stop buying Audi's, BMW's, Mercedes' and food, is the day the german market is dead.

Sam

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WilliamL

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

By the way, there is more to internet marketing than becoming an affiliate. There are far more opportunities than that.

The day people stop buying Audi's, BMW's, Mercedes' and food, is the day the german market is dead.

Sam

Regarding to the cars, is there any possibility to make money from local places with the Internet?
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zeitgeist

14 years ago

I just finished reading the post Istvan :-) - i did not want to come across as beeing ignorant, really enjoyed your links. yes, indeed there are some positive voices there! they referred to amazon and partner programms and even to adsense.

@Bertil: what do you know about the german market? why do you think / know it is so lucrative?

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Graham Maddison

14 years ago

I came across this site which has deatails of some German affiliate programs.

Affiliate Marketing (AM). Europe's leading affiliate program provider. - not an affilliate link

I hope it helps.

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zeitgeist

14 years ago

Thank you for the link graham! the affiliate networks listed there are still online so the affiliate business in germany should not be completely unprofitable i think. i guess i have to check them out in order to figure out how high the commissions are.

on the other hand i have this idea that - although learning to be an affiliate will have some profound benefits - i would be most amazed to "make my own thing" cause i guess that fit's into my personality type the most.

many warrior members seem to stress the importance of sticking to something until mastery instead of switching from one thing to another. so maybe starting out with something i'd really enjoy with my whole heart right from the beginning could be a good approach. what do you think?

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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

many warrior members seem to stress the importance of sticking to something until mastery instead of switching from one thing to another. so maybe starting out with something i'd really enjoy with my whole heart could be a good approach. what do you think?

Just make sure your ideas are simple and not too complex.

People tend to get caught up with this master idea which they think will make them millions of dollars but slowly lose interest in it over time.

It's better to pick a model that you know works and go from there.

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KenJ 14 years ago
Why don't you pioneer the german market.
- Create some products
- Get affiliates to sell for you.
- Put some of the products on Clickbank
- Run Seminars in Germany on internet marketing
- Invite German Speaking Experts to do sessions. Daniel Wagner Comes to mind
- Even my German skills would give you 10 minutes on product creation.
- Stick to the basics for niches, IM, Weight Loss, Body Building and sex.
How big do you want to go?
"You will get everything you want if you help enough other people get what they want" (Dale Carnegie - I Think)

My experience with my german friends is that they are not so different from the english speaking world. Its a matter of getting things started. We all need an income.

This is a brainstorm really

kenj
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zeitgeist

14 years ago

Saying "picking up a model that work" means (english) affiliate programs to you, Daniel? I'm confused with the whole affiliate thing I have to confess, because I just don't get how I could CREATE massive value by just selling someone else's product?? What's the value there? Or am I completely wrong with that one?

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Davioli

14 years ago

I won't say much... But I'm pretty sure credit related terms have a very high CPC in German as well. Go figure

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MattBrown

14 years ago

No market is dead! You just have to learn the right way to market to them. If they are extra cautious you have to show value in what you are offering. Without value no one will listen.

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JazzOscar 14 years ago

Interesting thread.

I'm from Norway, so Germany isn't my home market. I have however, from time to time, wondered about the possibilities for IM in that market. What made me think about it was the possibilities of less competition than in the english speaking market.

When I went to the Norwegian parallell to high school we had both French and German as third languages. I liked German, both speaking it and writing/reading it. So at age 21, when I made a train trip (so called Interrail) through Europe, my spoken german had become rather fluent. I got my daily news from reading german newspapers and fellow german travellers on the train wondered what part of Germany I came from. Long time ago though (25 years), so I would have to brush up my German before thinking more seriously about it, but the tought has been there. I still don't shy away from reading forum posts in german forums when searching for info on the net. I also listen quite frequently to german medium wave radio stations when I'm out driving my car. The last time was in fact just a few days ago.

An idea I have had, that might be something to think about for you, was to translate some quality MRR/PLR products to German. Not very long ago I saw one of the better product creators on this forum offering exclusive rights for different languages for his ebooks. Could exploiting something like that be something for you?

Good luck with your decisions.
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OttoWerner

Banned 14 years ago

dis defeatist attitude cannot be tolerated. the great german market is on the contrary fuctioning well and to standard. in fact, our great german market is leading world internet revolutions today.

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Valdor Kiebach

14 years ago

The IM market may be dead, but internet marketing shouldnt be.
Have you thought about taking some of the PLR stuff thats available and translating it to German and selling it yourself.

I am sure there are German people who could use tutorials on using Gimp, Twitter, setting up blogs etc...

Just because there isnt a market for IM products doesnt mean there isnt a market for none IM stuff.

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