Get off the Warrior Forum if you want to be successful...

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I heard it said recently, by someone I forget, and I've heard it said before by lots of folk that preach success, and it goes something like:

"If you want to be successful, surround yourself with successful people."

It's part of that thinking that success breeds success.

Oh, I remember now, it was in an audio I heard Eben Pagan talking to Frank Kern. Eben said something along the lines of it being useful to 'upgrade' your friends, start communicating with people to whom you aspire, surround yourself with wealth and it WILL have a positive efect on your own life.

It makes sense doesn't it.

Now, I know some folk may argue, "How callous can you be? UPGRADE your friends? Have you no loyalty?" - well, that's a moral and ethical question that I don't want to be sidetracked with just now, let's focus on this question...

If you want to be successful you should surround yourself with successful people, reduce the negativity, reduce the time you spend around folk that suck your time and you get little or no return - if that's the case, then what are you doing at The Warrior Forum?

And before you start hurling stuff at me, consider these two points:

1. A lot of members who become hugely successful (not all, I know) have drifted away from this forum. Do they go because they're successful or in order to be successful?

2. This post is in the interest of making you think, it's not necessarily my opinion (I may be playing devil's advocate) but I thought it would be useful for you to consider the questions I raise so you can evaluate your time spent on here.


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  • Profile picture of the author stumblerum
    I think it's fine just to limit your time on forums. There's a lot of good info, but you gotta take action too!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I think it is a productivity issue, spending too much time here (while good in moderate doses) could be hazardous to your productivity, and hence success and profitability as well! I see many of the successful warriors returning here every now and then, it's just that they don't spend as much time as they used to due to their ongoing projects that are taking up their time and attention.
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      I think it is a productivity issue, spending too much time here (while good in moderate doses) could be hazardous to your productivity, and hence success and profitability as well! I see many of the successful warriors returning here every now and then, it's just that they don't spend as much time as they used to due to their ongoing projects that are taking up their time and attention.
      Once I started seeing some returns my time here has dropped to about 30 minutes a day and most of that time is spent looking at the top threads, product reviews and threads important to products I use that make me money. SO I spend about 30 minutes a day top here about half of that on my itouch as I am laying in my bed giving my brain something to think about before I nod off. I am sure that as I become more successful my time here will even be less but I will always be 'on board' so to speak. I have noticed this here and in other forums when networked with people that as they become more successful they still do lots of research but less in forums and more with their networks of friends and mentors usually found in forums.

      WF still rocks as one of the best forums to get information form IM/AM!
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  • Profile picture of the author areaK
    It's just a matter of balance. Don't spend too much time in one place period. I've gotten TONS of valuable resources, tips, tricks, tools, connections and more here at the Warrior Forum that I'm quite sure I wouldn't have gotten elsewhere (or would have taken me longer to find) so I can't deem it a time waster (unless I just sit here for wayyyy too long and accomplish nothing else).
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    OK, to clarify my point a wee bit more:

    The Warrior Forum has many successful people that post and some great resources and free information, but...

    Like any public forum, we've a mix of human behaviours and attitudes.

    We've got freebie seekers, idiots, spammers, scammers, thieves and scum etc. We've folk with massively negative attitudes or entitlement mindset and plenty of folk that THINK they know best but actually know jack.

    The thing is, how selective do you want to be with who you communicate? Sure, you can do your best to avoid folk you don't like or disagree with, but no matter how hard you try you'll always bump into one or two and it's difficult not to get dragged down just a bit, even for just a minute.

    So, in the quest to surround yourself with exclusively successful people, would it not just be easier to pack your bags and leave this forum?


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    • Profile picture of the author Steve MacLellan
      Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

      So, in the quest to surround yourself with exclusively successful people, would it not just be easier to pack your bags and leave this forum?
      I usually try and visit this forum every couple of days or so. I've been a member for three years. It looks like this will be my 75th post. Perhaps not this forum so much... but I've made a lot of valuable contacts through forums over the years. I feel as if I don't need to pack my bags, since I spend so little time here.

      But it's the same with anything. One should probably should limit the amount of time they spend on forums and discussion lists so they can spend the majority of their day being productive.

      Best Regards,
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Quite honestly, I'm not sure how to respond to this.

        It's kind of a catch 22 thing, IMO.

        Had I not come here, I wouldn't have met some of the great people that
        I've met.

        Had I not continued to stay here, I wouldn't have been able to help the few
        people I may have helped. At least I'd like to think there have been a few.

        However, if all you do is hang out here, how much work can you actually
        get done?

        Well, I'm a bit of a freak of nature and can usually get more done in an
        hour than most people can get done in a day, but for the average person,
        yeah, hanging around here too much can actually hurt their business if
        they're not spending this time productively.

        I actually had a talk about this with a fellow warrior recently and asked
        this very question, "Why have so many of the old successful warriors
        gone away?"

        There were many answers, according to this warrior, but one of those
        answers was, "They became successful and moved on."

        In other words, their business grew to the point where they realized that
        if they were going to stay at that level, they realized they couldn't spend
        that much time here...if any at all.

        I know some of these people personally, and while I miss them (2 of them
        are 2 of the first people I either talked to or JV'd with) I understand
        where they are coming from.

        Me?

        I feel a sense of responsibility to the members here who need help and
        are looking for guidance. And yes, I know that if I just packed up my bags
        and went off into the sunset, I'd get a lot more work done.

        But personally, I don't care. I don't need more than what I have. I'm
        content with the income I'm getting. So I'd rather just hang out here and
        try to help others.

        And besides, and let's be honest about this because I don't want to come
        off as being mercenary, if I do help others here, that in turn adds to my
        credibility and in turn helps my business anyway. Maybe not as much as if
        I were to just spend my hours working on product creation and promotion,
        but it's still not for nothing.

        Ultimately, each person has to decide what is best for them.

        But if hanging around here is getting you nothing as in...

        1. You're not learning anything and just BSing.
        2. You're not contributing to the learning process.

        Then why are you here?

        You might as well delete your account and go and run your business.

        Unless of course you just like to BS.

        Like I said, everybody has to do what they feel is best for them.

        But yes, the truly successful 7 figure earners spend very little time here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
          Peter,

          I think you need to have a certain mindset to market in the IM niche.

          Over the last year I've I don't have it and I'm very happy to be out of IM.

          I think this niche is a slippery slope where many people little by little lose their soul. When you feel that is happening to you it's time to get out.

          Now I just pop in occasionally to post when I see the occasional interesting thread related to my present focus - doing the kind of decent stuff I was doing before I got sidetracked

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Like any public forum, we've a mix of human behaviours and attitudes.

            We've got freebie seekers, idiots, spammers, scammers, thieves and scum etc. We've folk with massively negative attitudes or entitlement mindset and plenty of folk that THINK they know best but actually know jack.
            And we have those just starting out who seriously want a question answered or a marketing method explained....and those just beginning to see some results from their efforts....and those who do well but give back here to pay it forward....and some who come here daily when they take a break just to see what's going on.

            I think this niche is a slippery slope where many people little by little lose their soul. When you feel that is happening to you it's time to get out.
            MANY here aren't working in the IM make money niche - but IM encompasses all niches you market online. If your soul is at risk, it's not because of IM or a forum but your own skewed personal compass.

            I agree if you find yourself uncomfortable with what you are doing - stop doing it. "Anything for a buck" is not a good way to live.

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            • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              MANY here aren't working in the IM make money niche - but IM encompasses all niches you market online. If your soul is at risk, it's not because of IM or a forum but your own skewed personal compass.
              kay
              Kay,

              I was talking specifically about the IM niche, not general IM.

              We'll have to agree to disagree about the soul thing. I have seen too many people come into the IM niche and become, let's say, not very nice people. I admit I have a skewed personal compass and thank God for that!

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          • Profile picture of the author DanPE
            Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

            I think this niche is a slippery slope where many people little by little lose their soul. When you feel that is happening to you it's time to get out.
            Perceptions are interesting things. When I was working in a company, we'd do all sorts of nasty things. We'd run contests and then not have any winners. We'd say 'we'll contact you about your problem' and then we didn't.

            IM is like any other business. You can choose to throw away your soul or you can choose to be honest. Or you know, you can just justify your lack of success by saying 'IM makes you lose your soul' as if a soul can be as easily lost as a set of keys.

            As I mentioned earlier, at one time I had a job where I was required to lie. I didn't have much of a choice if I wanted to keep the job. At least in IM you have a choice.
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            • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
              I've never understood the concept of trying to hang around really successful people - what's in it for them? (Unless they are mentors seeking students maybe.) Otherwise they're trying to hang around with people who are even more successful than they are, and if you're not one of those people...? Won't they be trying to get away from you?

              I do think there is merit in observing and studying very successful people and emulating what they do. But you don't necessarily have to "hang around" with them to do that. And definitely don't stalk them for heaven's sake.

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              • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
                Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

                I've never understood the concept of trying to hang around really successful people - what's in it for them?

                Wendy
                That's a very valid point. I guess you could just join a mastermind, where you pay to be close to folk more successful than you.

                I've not consciously dumped friends along my journey, but I've noticed that not all of them have hung around as I change, grow and become more successful.

                I've developed new friends, friends that share my desire to grow and learn, a bit like Big Mike mentioned - and for me it's been more of an organic 'upgrade' of friends.


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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Peter, you hit the nail on the head there. Many times it's not that we consciously shun people that are less successful, oftentimes it is because THEY drop away because they can't bring themselves to agree with our changed mindset and values, and they're looking for people at their level to hang out with.

                  I have friends and university classmates that I don't talk to as much anymore, because they think entrepreneurial activities are a load of BS and all they want is a J.O.B for security and income. Initially we had spirited discussions about it, and I think that they maybe thought that I was in some kind of a "phase", but obviously they were wrong in their assumptions.

                  Now that many of them are just struggling and/or unemployed due to the economy, I think a bit of envy has set in when they see how successful I have become. As a result, many have just dropped away and we don't interact as much anymore. I didn't make the conscious effort to drop them, it just happened naturally as I described.

                  Now I just naturally gravitate to positive-minded entrepreneurial people. I do it almost unconsciously now, it's not something that you 'do', it truly becomes something that you 'are'.

                  Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

                  That's a very valid point. I guess you could just join a mastermind, where you pay to be close to folk more successful than you.

                  I've not consciously dumped friends along my journey, but I've noticed that not all of them have hung around as I change, grow and become more successful.

                  I've developed new friends, friends that share my desire to grow and learn, a bit like Big Mike mentioned - and for me it's been more of an organic 'upgrade' of friends.


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                • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
                  Peter, I agree, I wouldn't dump my friends either. Besides, sometimes when you start behaving differently some of your friends are inspired to start working on themselves too! In that sense it would be a good thing.

                  Wendy

                  Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

                  That's a very valid point. I guess you could just join a mastermind, where you pay to be close to folk more successful than you.

                  I've not consciously dumped friends along my journey, but I've noticed that not all of them have hung around as I change, grow and become more successful.

                  I've developed new friends, friends that share my desire to grow and learn, a bit like Big Mike mentioned - and for me it's been more of an organic 'upgrade' of friends.


                  Peter
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              • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

                I've never understood the concept of trying to hang around really successful people - what's in it for them? (Unless they are mentors seeking students maybe.) Otherwise they're trying to hang around with people who are even more successful than they are, and if you're not one of those people...? Won't they be trying to get away from you?

                I do think there is merit in observing and studying very successful people and emulating what they do. But you don't necessarily have to "hang around" with them to do that. And definitely don't stalk them for heaven's sake.

                Wendy
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                • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
                  Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

                  Surround yourself with only people who are going to lift you higher. -- Oprah Winfrey
                  Good one Robert! Anyone can lift you higher, whether they are successful or not - you could look at your lazy, loser friends and think, "I'm not going to live my life that way."

                  Or you could look at a super-success and say, "I want to be like that guy!"

                  I guess it's all about perception and your own inner drive no matter who you spend most of your time with - unless you're surrounded by people who love to put you and your dreams down...then it may be time to find some new friends.

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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    In all forums each and every person shall take and or give in direct proportion to their needs.

    The recalibrate the levels and exposure to exclusive people you speak of is a learned practice and as people learn more i would guess they become a little more reserved, then again other may have an agenda to give back to the forum from which has helped them.

    There are many reasons none right none wrong, but to place your self only among the elite and exclusive is a choice we all make and yes it is a valid point, how ever i very much doubt it would guarantee success and from living at all levels regardless of how exclusive one may feel, I find i am no better than the worst person in our team and for that reason i would much prefer if given a choice to hang with the common folk if that is a term to reflect the polar opposite to exclusive successful people, it keeps my feet on the ground.
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    • Profile picture of the author devplan
      One of the reasons I found invaluable for visiting the warrior forum is when I run across some affiliate offer and I want to get some reviews on it in order to evaluate if it's something to go after.
      I saved myself already several times from making a stupid decision.

      And in regards to surround oneself with successful people - I am sure there are many of them here, for example those selling WSOs.

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    • Profile picture of the author sandra.IMqueen
      The dictionary defines success as:
      1.the favourable outcome of something attempted 2. the attainment of wealth, fame, etc.
      3. an action, performance, etc., that is characterised by success
      4. a person or thing that is successful

      However in truth we all know that it's definition is uniquely personal, a reflection of our life expereriences and the values we hold.

      It isn't ruthless to upgrade your friends and the people you mix with, for in truth as your life changes so too will the people in your cirlce. I guess upgrade wouldn't be the description I would use. But from my own experience I know that as I have become more successful there have been people who have come along with me and some who for whatever reason haven't joined me. To those I have left behind the door remains open.

      As for wf it is a great place for so many reasons and successful people will be disciplined about the amount of time they spend on the forum but in my experience successful people are always willing to help others. In addtion they are always sharpening the tool, whether through teaching or learning

      I guess what I am saying is use your time wisely, success can only ever be as you define it. Remember what you give out is always what you get back.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I think it's fine to come into contact with all kinds of people here, as long as they're civil and we "agree to disagree". With that being said, while I wouldn't totally eliminate contact with negative people who drag me down, I would try to minimize it as time goes by. I'm sure many of you have heard of the saying that your wealth and success can usually be determined and predicted by looking at the 5 people that you spend the most time with, and I think it's true with IM success as well. Why else do you think the big Gurus have masterminds and meetings all the time with their successful peers?
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  • Profile picture of the author AragornStrider
    for me... i always do what is called the law of attraction...since there is alot of negativity in my area... i do my best to keep up the shield and be not affected... that is why i stay stuck here in the WF and get some infos that will be helpful for me
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  • Profile picture of the author DefinedbyDesire
    My time in this forum is time well spent.
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  • Profile picture of the author rspadi
    Surrounding yourself with successful people may help to acquire that all crucial success mindset that ultimately leads to success - but it's surely not a guarantee.
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  • Profile picture of the author pldata
    Its really great informative discussion going on......
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    don't forget to close your email accounts, stop buying e-books and isolate your family too. No need to stop with quitting the forum.

    And if you have a TV... ditch it. Live on pop tarts and coffee so you can save time cooking. Maybe look into a catheter that would save a lot of time! Lots you can do and still have time to help someone or be helped by someone.

    I'd rather live under a bridge than regret deserting a friend someday... but that is just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author youngmillionaire
    it is good to surrond your self with experts in your field so that you can easily succeed in your field
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    • Profile picture of the author bjradioguy
      I would say that has a but of truth to it, but with anything else, take in moderation. If you can constantly share useful information and get advice, that would be a good thing right? Does not mean you need to divorce your wife/husband and move to find those friends.

      I agree about the forum though, you just cannot sit here and read all day. Set a limit for yourself unless you are looking for a specific answer from someone here to advance your business. Pick a process and DO IT.
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  • Profile picture of the author david-forer
    I have learned to set a stop watch to limit the time here and at other forums. It is amazing how quick it can go by if you don't pay attention. I have also implemented mandatory offline time to work on projects so that the online temptation can be quelled!
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    ok I agree I am off thanks for the tip
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Warrior Forum has nothing
    to do with someone being unsuccessful.

    It has so much value that it's just plain
    stupid to drift away from it.

    To this day, the most successful marketer
    in the industry, Frank Kern, talks about the
    Warrior Forum all the time.

    I think it's a big mistake to drift away from this
    forum, since there are plenty successful marketers
    still hang around here.

    Instead, limit your time and narrow your focus. Don't jump
    on every thread that promises you 100$ a day in 7 days.

    Focus, Focus, Focus ...and ACTION.

    So, in other words, in order to be successful, don't get
    away from the Warrior Forum, limit your time and narrow your
    focus to what is being said and posted here and you'll be just fine.

    Igor
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  • Profile picture of the author anth.elias
    For me this forum was not the problem it was the solution. What held me back was my inbox, yes all those emails were keeping me from being successful. I unsubscribed as many as could and they rest now just go to to my spam box with a one click delete. Low and behold a few months later, I started to see some real success and I was working hard not reading emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    As others have said, it is about keeping everything in check. I know I've swung back and forth in terms of my level of involvement on here. On one hand it is good to be out doing things, but on the other I think it is important to have some sort of base to come back to.

    This place is great to bounce ideas off of each other, learn new things, vent, etc. Offline marketers typically don't have colleagues they are working with, and I think this is something we need in order to stay on track.

    The hardest part is the beginning, when you are trying to take action, and keep on getting pulled under by more and more ideas, lol.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Apparently if you take your closest 6 friends, work out how much they earn annually (after tax), then calculate the overall income average - thats probably close to what you make.
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  • Profile picture of the author wampcat
    I personally think it's just a matter of balance... R&D is a big part of ANY business, but no business (that is successful) spends the majority of their time on research OR product development and neglects their own marketing practices. IMO, the 80/20 rule is very effective here... spend 20% of your time learning, and 80% of your time marketing.

    I myself do NOT sell a "how to make money online" product... the average customer of those products tend to drive me crazy! It's just so simple - get off your @ss and do SOMETHING - ANYTHING - to grow your business. start small and do SOMETHING every day. don't expect an overnight success. Don't expect it to be handed to you. DO expect it to take blood sweat and tears, but if you really enjoy it then it won't be painful at all... it will be your OBSESSION and your passion.

    I've been selling via the internet since 2001 or so, and there's a few people that REALLY know what's going on, and are brilliant, passionate, and obsessive about teaching people. The first one is a friend of mine, and regardless of that I would highly recommend anyone that wants the absolute truth without hype to look into his "internet marketing" site (mysilentteam.com). The second is a guy who I may not 100% agree with, but I really like his style - and that's bob parsons from godaddy.

    Just my $.02.

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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    The problem is unproductivity.

    Hanging around forums looking for solutions to problems
    I didn't have the guts to face myself (experinece) has
    been an issue of mines for some time.

    A great example is when I wanted to do Forex trading
    (the REAL stuff. It was not as popular or commercialized
    as it is now and it requires REAL skill). I was a big forum
    reader, and even at this popular forum, they stressed
    taking action as the key to success.

    Thankfully, I ran with it, and in less than 3 months, I was
    making money....hundreds in a single day, a few thousand
    a month. But I hated the hours, and the income isn't passive.

    But if I hadn't taken that advice 2 years ago, I'd still be
    wondering how different things could be.

    Action means EVERYTHING. And I learned that lesson years
    ago...time will tell if other's here will "get it" themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I have to laugh when I hear the dump your less successful friends mess because if my friends did this half of them would dump me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
    Hanging out with successful people can work in terms of the halo effect, both internally as well as externally. Internally you adopt the attitude that success is normal and expected, externally you are perceived as being successful by the company you keep.

    The change in beliefs can sometimes make a dramatic difference in how you pursue your business. The change in how you are perceived can make a difference in opportunities.

    Basking in the reflection of someone else is for sleazy pretenders.

    Pursuing personal improvement and outlook is a goal for everyone. Often the only way to learn the success mindset is from being with successful people. Learning the wealth mindset can only be learned from the wealthy.

    No need to dump old friends (unless they are pure negativity), just add new ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author soniia21
    Having a happy medium is good in business. Taking the time to educate yourself and taking the time for action, meeting people with similar goals and getting work done to push you in the right direction.

    The forum is great to get some information from but as long as more time is put into implementing the strategies to make your business work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I don't think spending time on the forum necessarily
    harms your success... as long as you are not too easily
    swayed by negativity, opinions, and trolls.

    This forum is a great place to listen and find out what's
    actually on your customers' minds... assuming your
    customers hang out on this forum.

    It's also a great place to network and find JV partners.

    I have found that hanging out with people who are at
    a level higher than I am... or who at least think
    bigger, pulls me upward. I do that in the brick and
    mortar world at my local GKIC meeting, and by being
    an active member of my local chamber of commerce.
    Both allow me to hang out with other serial
    entrepreneurs.

    Online, I also choose my associates carefully, and do
    avoid those who spread negativity everywhere that
    they go. Negative people DO start to impact me
    if I spend too much time around them... so I simply
    don't!

    Willie
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    Hi Peter Bestel

    May be you are true with your point

    "A lot of members who become hugely successful (not all, I know) have drifted away from this forum. Do they go because they're successful or in order to be successful?"

    But They left the forum only after learning a lot here and gaining what ever they can.. hope you also agree with this. To become more successful you need to learn things first and then only you can succeed.. Hope you got my point..

    Thank You
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

    1. A lot of members who become hugely successful (not all, I know) have drifted away from this forum. Do they go because they're successful or in order to be successful?
    A lot of well-known marketers also check in here regularly
    but don't post for various reason.

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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    Well, this forum is GREAT for learning.

    But I agree, if I want to network with actual people than I go LinkedIn.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I have friends that are multimillionaires . I have friends that get down at times and come to me for food .

    While I have met several people on forums that are great people and quiet a few I would help if they ask, their is a difference in true , personal friends and online acquaintances.

    One of the most successful and motivating friends I have regularly gives his money to the homeless and does without himself .

    Money can't buy friends like that.

    To misquote a book about a man I try to follow more and more each day ...

    Thy fool, you call yourself rich but you have two coats and your friend has none .

    Don't think I will dump anybody
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