Only 2 posts before setting up a WSO ?

I thought the whole point was a quick profit? :p

I don't know, I would like some quality control on every forum I have ever used and moderated but at some point there has to be a line drawn in the sand...

If a product is crap anyway the first couple of buyers will make sure everyone else knows, and their reputation will be trashed leading to a one time deal.

Also how do we define posts?

I could make a topic in the lounge area right now saying "count to 1 billion" which would get peoples counts up very fast though it doesn't mean they would actually be of substance or worth. But they would have 20+ posts.

And to be absolutely honest with you, 20 is a pathetically small number...I could get that in an hour even with making what some could call worthy posts just like this one...extend it to 100+ which would take at least a week or so

They would just post on 20 threads in an hour, I think the $37 is more of a hindrance than 20 posts

Hey ... it's there nickel. Would you buy a WSO from someone with only two posts. I wouldn't. I hesitate if they only have 100 posts. I purchase from people that I see on the forum contributing, that I've come to respect.

God help me when mine comes out lol

I saw great WSO offer yesterday building great sales pages and a few templates to use. I did not buy as they only had 25 posts and were a fairly new member and then they had 4 reviews all from guys with less than 5 posts and January 2010 new member status. While his sales page was good and the product looked ok, something looked fishy.

I just posted a comment that I would like to see some reviews from some members with some more posts and more time in the forum before I would buy.

Just my recent observation.

Matt

With such a low post count (and being brand new as well), he is probably going to have a hard time selling his product even if the sales copy and product look good. Remember that he is also putting up $20 each time he bumps his WSO post, and he may not be able to break even and would probably sustain a loss unless he managed to get some positive reviews in quickly. So in a way, the WSO section hews to Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest aka "natural selection", even though he can put it up with so few posts it's very likely he won't be able to sell it for long due to poor or nonexistent sales. It'd be better for him to start putting up some intelligent posts first, and make himself known to members here - at least this is what I'd do if I were in his position.

I must say, that no doubt, post count shows credibility but sometimes people like me who have very little typing speed generally avoid writing posts and replies but that doesn't mean that they can't produce good quality WSOs.

Is this not reverse racism? when you think about it some people would look at a persons number of posts to the quality of the WSO on offer!

If the product is good most would buy, and you can tell by the buzz about it and the quality they have on there sales page ect

I mean seriously so what if the person has two-1000 posts it would have to be the quality of it right!

Hello Severt,

They could gain creditability by have several senior warriors review their WSO

That is provided they have something to offer or refer us to other forums where they are well known

Best Regards

I don't really look at post count that much. I'll use myself as an example: I don't even have 40 posts, yet I've been lurking here and learning since June, and have been selling services on other forums. I have close to 6,000 posts on another forum and do rather well writing for private clients, but would people necessarily know this from my profile? No!

So in fairness, I'm not going to judge others and say that they don't have anything to contribute just because their post count isn't high. I might judge them when I look through their posting history and see the kinds of threads and posts they have made, look for referrals, and wait for reviews from fellow Warriors, but this applies to any WSO, not just one made by a seemingly "new" member.

When you come right down to it, it's pretty hard to tell the quality of any offer, WSO or otherwise. How can you tell if a digital product is good without buying it? you can't look at it, you can't touch it or anything.

Quality is subjective, people buy what they want and need and can afford. No one can say that the quality of one is better than the quality of another, after all we're all selling ideas and concepts, and sometimes the implementations as well. The idea of 'quality' can better be applied to physical products, because there are materials involved. A product that's cheap can be fragile and break easily, for instance.

As far as digital products are concerned, how do you determine quality? it's hard to determine 'quality' in a digital product, so some people look for some reason, some justification that one product is better than another. One way they do that is by looking at the post count. In reality, though, a concept or idea is a concept or idea. I haven't really come across an idea that isn't workable given enough resources.

So yea, in a world where everyone is selling something, buyers need to justify to themselves why they're buying this WSO and not that other one, so they look at post counts as a way a differentiate the large number of posts that are essentially selling the same things.

People look at post counts because otherwise it would be difficult to determine the quality of the product or the integrity of the marketer. The feedback can be manipulated, the language can be mostly hype, but the post counts are real. You can't fake a post count, so maybe that's one reason why people trust post counts.

The main reason I started this post is because I think the quality of the WSO section is going down. I'm not saying a new user with only 2 posts can't have great content, but most time they don't and are only looking for quick cash. There are also a lot of new members here who read the WSO section and believe almost everything that is offered.
Do we need to protect those new members? I think not. But it would be easier if we had just quality wso's so we only need to spend time to find out WHO we are buying from instead of weeding out the "crap".

Dennis

I don't think there should be a rule related to the number of posts, but I certainly think that is a criteria that should be considered in making a buying decision. I myself would probably not buy.

If more people focused on how they run their own business instead of how other people run theirs, there would be a lot more success stories around here.

I like to believe that Allen knows what he is doing.

Here is a question I have been meaning to ask all day on this, would anyone lend their name to a great WSO if they had a proper full review copy for a newbie?

Say if someone like BIG Mike gets areview copy, and he could post there saying he has used it and saying it is wonderful, I guess thats a way around it :p

I would happily give away freebies to trusted people, hell...all the big shops do that :p

I think that it should not matter how many posts you have before posting a wso. I am actually in the process of getting my website finished and I will be posting my wso. I do agree it will hurt the credibility at first, but if you have a "kick ass" product, you will be ok. Your offer should always be reviewed based on how good it is and not how many posts you have. My .02

Interesting.
Because this is a forum, there is more than just a sales-page to go by. That's kind of a bonus vs. sales-pages you encounter elsewhere on the interwebs.

On the other hand, looks can be deceiving. I think good sales-copy and social proof will always have the greatest pull when it comes to buying decisions. I'm pretty sure those two factors can outweigh the post-count factor.

One thing I'm worried about is fake social proof. You can get together with some people and swap rave reviews... or perhaps even just switch IPs and cover your tracks, set up multiple identities, spend some time posting and then give yourself great reviews.

Sure, that may seem a lot more bother than just making a good product, but when I see what lengths some black-hatters go to, just to scrape pennies...

yes,

but, no one forces you to buy. You see the post count..and then use common sense if you see such a WSO...?!

People have to start somewhere. But I agree, at least visit other parts of the forum beforehand so people know that you are serious about what you are doing.

While I will do more due diligence with someone that has a low post count, at the same time I understand the post count is meaningless. Going by any post count is just drawing a line in the sand. If you draw that line at 100, a person with 99 posts is suspicious while a person with 100 isn't?

In fact, the only WSO I've bought that was disappointed in was from a long established Warrior with a high post count. Lines in the sand are meaningless. It would be nice if it were that easy, but due diligence is the best rip-off prevention if you don't know the poster, and even that isn't foolproof.