To use Article Spinning Software....or Not?

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Hi All,

I have read thread after thread and have heard so many different stories.

I want to get a Really GOOD article spinner software. There are free ones, beta versions, and paid for software.

Can any of the experts tell me what is the BEST software or method to use?

I read where some people say don't use article spinners. Article spinners just use a thesaurus and the articles stink after using.

What is the general consensus? Does Article spinning work? If so, I don't care if it costs, what is the best software to use?

Someone had mentioned, Article Productions ReWriter? I couldn't find this.

Also I heard the "The Jerk" has a tool that rewrites up to 100% as being different.

What is the percentage of change that an article should have to be considered non duplicate content?


Thanks, any help would greatly be appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattBrown
    You get a lot of people saying the whole duplicate content is a myth, but a article spinner i use is, automatic article submitter v2. You are able to spin and mass submit.
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Hi Mike

      My question would be why?
      WHY do you want to spin articles?
      I know that many work on the principal that if you throw enough mud some will stick.

      consider this.

      You could write a Gem of an article once. With well researched keywords and good content.
      Then you could start building backlinks to this Gem of an article to help it out in the SERPS.
      Make a few great articles work for you.

      I still do not see the need for article spinners

      kenj
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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        Hi Mike

        My question would be why?
        WHY do you want to spin articles?
        I know that many work on the principal that if you throw enough mud some will stick.

        consider this.

        You could write a Gem of an article once. With well researched keywords and good content.
        Then you could start building backlinks to this Gem of an article to help it out in the SERPS.
        Make a few great articles work for you.

        I still do not see the need for article spinners

        kenj
        As mentioned above, why settle for three or four well written
        articles when you can have access to as many unique well
        written articles for about the same effort? We all leverage
        articles for the best bang, having a lot unique articles will
        most likely get more backlinks indexed and ranked.

        I'll wait for James to pipe in here, he has some excellent
        ideas about how to fully capitalise on properly spun articles.

        edit: Opps, he already has. Yee Gods, this man can type
        for the US

        HTH

        Glenn
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          You are late to the party Glenn ...

          James

          Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

          As mentioned above, why settle for three or four well written
          articles when you can have access to as many unique well
          written articles for about the same effort? We all leverage
          articles for the best bang, having a lot unique articles will
          most likely get more backlinks indexed and ranked.

          I'll wait for James to pipe in here, he has some excellent
          ideas about how to fully capitalise on properly spun articles.

          edit: Opps, he already has. Yee Gods, this man can type
          for the US

          HTH

          Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author CanEh!
    I would have to agree with kenj, and ask why?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeStronghill
      The why would be, that you have this one really good article, you have it on your website. Yes, the search engines like it and it brings you traffic due to your keywords. But, wouldn't it be great to also have backlinks coming in?

      The search engines won't hurt you if you have duplicate content, but they will only give you credit for one article. So, if you submit the same article to 100 directories, you will bet credit for just one article.

      But, what if you generate 50 different articles that are all unique and the content is different enough to not be counted as duplicate content. You submit these 50 articles to the directories and not only do you get 50 backlinks, you also get credit for 50 unique articles by the search engines.

      Am I wrong about this?
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        I think quality will do better than quantity.

        You can build links in so many other ways that provide relevancy and coherent linking than going for 50 spun articles.

        If your keywords research for your main article is good your Gem of an article will only need 2 or 3 well placed links to do well in the search engines.

        This is just my way of thinking. Of course I think I am right

        kenj
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Consider this:

    Write a high quality article.

    CONCENTRATE when you spin it to ensure the syntax will remain excellent

    Then you get quality and quantity from the one original article idea.

    Spinning is especially worthwhile if the article is a quality one to begin with. The key is to take care when spinning and check the results. I think this is why spinning gets a bad rap, because people do not take enough care while they do it. It is not really a lazy way of article writing but it is a way of getting maximum use from the hard work you do when creating a gem article.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Hi Mike,
    Not sure if your comment was directed to me but yes I do have a tool which is human controlled and not some pre-set database garbage.. Yes you can spend 2 hours and write an article and have 50 spun versions with 70%+ in uniqueness using the proper tool.

    Many still do not understand that actual use of a spinner. Some think it has to do with just creating articles to submit to article directories. There are far more many uses for articles besides submitting them to directories.

    I use my system everyday and will continue to do so because I can do everything right in one spot. Many still fail to see the many uses articles have.

    Those that say they have no idea what 100 articles on the same subject is used for, you really need to read this post and keep in mind the below is only a small example of what spun articles can be used for.

    I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

    Use 1 to submit to article directories
    Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
    Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
    Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
    Use 2 to create a hubpage
    Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
    Use 2 to post to my blog
    Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
    Use 3 to post to news release sites

    Image what I could do with 100 or 150 .. You see I am provided 100% unique content for videos, squidoo, hubpages and ect .. Not all content is the same as it is spun "PROPERLY" ...

    Now with that said smart marketers also spin articles for these following reasons.

    1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

    2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

    3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

    4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

    5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In other words it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless of course you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

    James


    Originally Posted by MikeStronghill View Post

    Hi All,

    I have read thread after thread and have heard so many different stories.

    I want to get a Really GOOD article spinner software. There are free ones, beta versions, and paid for software.

    Can any of the experts tell me what is the BEST software or method to use?

    I read where some people say don't use article spinners. Article spinners just use a thesaurus and the articles stink after using.

    What is the general consensus? Does Article spinning work? If so, I don't care if it costs, what is the best software to use?

    Someone had mentioned, Article Productions ReWriter? I couldn't find this.

    Also I heard the "The Jerk" has a tool that rewrites up to 100% as being different.

    What is the percentage of change that an article should have to be considered non duplicate content?


    Thanks, any help would greatly be appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author sherrieb
      Help me understand something. I'm seeing the potential benefits of spinning, but I'm having trouble with part of it.

      For example, using 2 of the spun versions of one article on a Squidoo page. If you're conceptually saying the same thing, how does having two articles on the one Squidoo lens make for a good lens? Forgive the simplicity of the following example, but this is basically they way I am understanding it.

      Original article on EZA: Not all barking dogs are dangerous, but if a dog is barking you should still exercise caution.

      Spin 1 for Squiddo lens: While not every noisy canine is ferocious, if a dog should woof at you be careful.

      Spin 2 for same Squidoo lens: Just because a dog is barking doesn't mean it will hurt you, but if man's best friend warns you vocally, be wary.

      I also don't see how that adds value to your blog. What am I missing?




      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Hi Mike,
      Not sure if your comment was directed to me but yes I do have a tool which is human controlled and not some pre-set database garbage.. Yes you can spend 2 hours and write an article and have 50 spun versions with 70%+ in uniqueness using the proper tool.

      Many still do not understand that actual use of a spinner. Some think it has to do with just creating articles to submit to article directories. There are far more many uses for articles besides submitting them to directories.

      I use my system everyday and will continue to do so because I can do everything right in one spot. Many still fail to see the many uses articles have.

      Those that say they have no idea what 100 articles on the same subject is used for, you really need to read this post and keep in mind the below is only a small example of what spun articles can be used for.

      I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

      Use 1 to submit to article directories
      Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
      Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
      Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
      Use 2 to create a hubpage
      Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
      Use 2 to post to my blog
      Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
      Use 3 to post to news release sites

      Image what I could do with 100 or 150 .. You see I am provided 100% unique content for videos, squidoo, hubpages and ect .. Not all content is the same as it is spun "PROPERLY" ...

      Now with that said smart marketers also spin articles for these following reasons.

      1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

      2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

      3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

      4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

      5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In other words it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless of course you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author pldata
        Well......

        I believe on quantity rather than quantity and through any kind of spinner software obviously, you can get the quantity but never quality.

        So, I would not like to prefer any spinner software for article writing purpose because article writing is something which you use to promote anything to attract the customers to buy your product.

        As a result, it should be attractive writing and good enough so that readers just go through it and purchase your product, which any spinner can never make that because it only change some spellings.

        Hope you understand my concern.......

        Pldata
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by pldata View Post

          Well......

          I believe on quantity rather than quantity and through any kind of spinner software obviously, you can get the quantity but never quality.
          This is not 100% true ... It depends upon the tool you use, do not down all spinners just because you used or heard about some junk tools that do not work properly...

          James
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        This is the entire point of using the proper tool ... Human controlled tool that you the writer has full control over every single word. No pre-set database of junk words..

        If you take and write each paragraph as Liam explained above then you do not get articles that sound similar, you actually get fully unique articles that will be 70%+ in uniqueness..

        Using the proper tool you fully control the uniqueness as every single word is written by you the author..

        Example - Here is one paragraph rewritten by human hands and not some pre-set database..

        The buzz is that article writing is the thing to do if you are marketing anything on the Internet. It is the number one choice for marketers to bring people to their web sites as one can add a link in the bio at the end of the article. However, not everyone writes articles for that reason.
        The current thinking going around is that writing articles is one of the best things you can do when you are marketing your products on the web. By far this is one of the top choices for marketers to drive extra traffic to their websites, because as an author you can include links in your resource box towards the end of the article. You should take notice though that not all marketers will do article writing for this reason.
        See notice it is not replacing words here and there.. it is a complete 100% rewrite of the paragraph.. Now do this with 5 or 6 paragraphs and you will have 70%+ in uniqueness and not articles that sound similar.

        James

        Originally Posted by nl4u View Post

        Help me understand something. I'm seeing the potential benefits of spinning, but I'm having trouble with part of it.

        For example, using 2 of the spun versions of one article on a Squidoo page. If you're conceptually saying the same thing, how does having two articles on the one Squidoo lens make for a good lens? Forgive the simplicity of the following example, but this is basically they way I am understanding it.

        Original article on EZA: Not all barking dogs are dangerous, but if a dog is barking you should still exercise caution.

        Spin 1 for Squiddo lens: While not every noisy canine is ferocious, if a dog should woof at you be careful.

        Spin 2 for same Squidoo lens: Just because a dog is barking doesn't mean it will hurt you, but if man's best friend warns you vocally, be wary.

        I also don't see how that adds value to your blog. What am I missing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Bainbridge
    I used spinning to jump my positions in the search engines and get aprox 30% more traffic. This was around a year ago after hitting a bit of a glass ceiling in rank doing just directory submissions and article marketing myself.

    I can confirm that in my experience I have found multiple copies of the same article re-spun on different blogs / websites through google - all indexed and all giving me backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      James said it all, and the spinner at his Article Directory is outstanding to say the least. I only started implementing spinning a few weeks ago and I can't believe I didn't do it sooner. As an example of how powerful it is - for one site I spun different versions of an article(rewrote the title and each paragraph 3 times) and different versions of a press release and I hold 8 of the top 10 positions in Google for a keyword phrase with my main site and these articles/press releases

      Spinning and syndication mean you are getting the most out of your content - and that's what you should be doing in my opinion. I've never looked back since I started doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeStronghill
    James, or Rich Jerk,

    Thank you for your very enlightening, informative reply. That information is gold. I hope many people will read your post.

    Now what about the system that you use? Can you tell us more, how we can use it, costs etc.

    Can you suggest a good software to use?

    Thanks again James, Really appreciated.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      I sent you a PM Mike with more information and a video ...

      James

      Originally Posted by MikeStronghill View Post

      James, or Rich Jerk,

      Thank you for your very enlightening, informative reply. That information is gold. I hope many people will read your post.

      Now what about the system that you use? Can you tell us more, how we can use it, costs etc.

      Can you suggest a good software to use?

      Thanks again James, Really appreciated.

      Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by MikeStronghill View Post

      James, or Rich Jerk,

      Thank you for your very enlightening, informative reply. That information is gold. I hope many people will read your post.

      Now what about the system that you use? Can you tell us more, how we can use it, costs etc.

      Can you suggest a good software to use?

      Thanks again James, Really appreciated.

      Mike
      He can't say much about it because it can be seen as self promotion, but I can :p Click the Best Article Directory link in his signature, and all will be revealed Trust me, if you sign up, you won't regret it - the spinner is just ONE of the tools available to us members

      Edit: beaten to it
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  • Profile picture of the author JMPruitt
    I have to agree. I have used James' directory for several months. Besides all the tools he provides for spinning and syndication, his directory also easily beats out some of those other free directories. and with no ads on the page, I get alot more traffic with a lot less effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I can't comment on either James' or Glenn's software, as I've not used either.

      What I can tell you, as a consumer of articles, is that whatever you choose, learn to do it right. If you send me an article, and I can tell you've spun it, you've done it wrong.

      I used to be totally anti-spinner. Now I say, if I can't tell, I don't care.

      Like so many things in marketing, and online marketing in particular, it's often not the tools that cause the problem. It's either lazy or incompetent execution...
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  • Profile picture of the author JaiJay
    As a writer I would never use an article spinning program. I write everything entirely from scratch and at the speed I type at, it's quicker for me to write them fresh, rather than spin them anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Bainbridge
      Originally Posted by JaiJay View Post

      As a writer I would never use an article spinning program. I write everything entirely from scratch and at the speed I type at, it's quicker for me to write them fresh, rather than spin them anyway.
      Even if you write fast you can write maybe 3-4 300 word articles an hour - it can take you an hour to spin an article really well and this will be good for 50, maybe 100 copies..
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      • Profile picture of the author JaiJay
        Originally Posted by submp3s View Post

        Even if you write fast you can write maybe 3-4 300 word articles an hour - it can take you an hour to spin an article really well and this will be good for 50, maybe 100 copies..
        Completely wrong. I can write a 300 word article in 5 minutes if all it is is typing and I already know the context/have done my research.

        Article spinning is a personal preference and I would still never do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Ok James and Mike

      Sell it to me one more time. i.e. Article Spinning

      kenj
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    I'm using spun articles for a long long time now and the multiple double listings at #1 AND #2 I have on Google for competitive keywords encourage me to continue to do so.

    The problem is that the majority of people spin to the word level by using synonyms - and this gives very bad results.

    Actually the further you go from the individual words for your spinning the more powerful it is.

    Look:

    If you spin by words, the overall structure of the article is exactly the same, same sentences except synonyms. As a programmer I know that this kind of spun articles are very easy to detect and Google finds them very quickly and I wouldn't be surprised if they discounted them. Plus the quality is often very low because some synonyms are not appropriate.

    If you spin by sentences, the structure of the article is still the same but the length of the sentences are very different, and we're not using synonyms that are so easy to detect, instead we reformulate the meaning of the sentence and the grammatical structure of the sentence itself is different. Spinning by sentence is > spinning words. Plus the quality is much better and the spun articles read well.

    If you spin by paragraphs, the structure of the article becomes different - it's becoming very difficult for a programmer to find that both variations of a same paragraph are similar. The number of sentences is different, the organisation of the sentences is different.

    If you spin by articles, you have the best uniqueness level and this is exactly like writing different articles. You see this is why I said the further you go from the individual words the more unique it is.

    Like James said you need a human to spin articles the right way, softwares can't do it.

    Let me give you an example: 4 variations of one paragraph coming from one of my Ultra Spinnable Articles:

    Variation 1:

    There's a good reason for Twitter's position as the Internet's hottest 2.0 property these days: it's definitely worth it. The skyrocketing popularity of the short messaging service just continues to rise. Internet marketers are pleased with this news, as it provides an excellent opportunity to bring targeted traffic directly to websites and their offers. But if you aren't familiar with the intricacies of Twitter marketing, the process can be confusing at first. This article will present ways to use Twitter as a marketing tool, with beneficial long-term results.
    Variation 2:

    Twitter is the latest and greatest thing online. Even utilized by major corporations all over the world, Twitter is an incredible blogging service that has caught fire. Small businesses are getting in on some of the action, too, as they expand further into the internet. Well, maybe you are not using Twitter for your business. If that's the case, I fear you may be falling far behind. You DON'T know what Twitter is? Well, Twitter is a micro-blogging web-page that allows you to network will all kinds of people and update them via this site as often as you like. You type in your nice, short update, which can be up to 140 words. Within the limited blogging space, there's still plenty of room for powerful sales strategies, though. When you have more to info, you can always copy your URL inside the body of your text. If you are marketing a product or service, simply provide your URL along with a brief description of what it is that you have to offer. It goes without saying that Twitter is such a valuable avenue for commerce. Let's take a look now at how you can put Twitter to work for your internet business, drawing in scores of curious potential customers.
    Variation 3:

    There is a steady influx of new social networking sites on the internet. Twitter isn't a huge departure from any of its brethren. The essence of Twitter is the constant update of information about what you are doing or "status," the concept is simple, the effect can be profound. Twitter lets you post all of the tiny details about your day or any little thought that you'd like to share with others. Tweets are limited to 140 characters in length so those updates have to be concise and get their message across in a hurry.
    Variation 4:

    'Twitter Traffic' as some call it, is a great way to get some targeted visitors to your websites. Twitter is simply a social networking site that allows small updates of 140 characters long to be posted for anybody viewing your Twitter account. You can use Twitter though a cell phone or small hand held computing device along with the standard PC, which makes it incredibly convenient. You may want to increase traffic to your blog or business site, it does not particularly matter which, either way you are interested in getting more hits. This can be achieved using Twitter. You can get new traffic to your blog or site in no time. You simply get a free Twitter account and begin to 'tweet' (the name given to the 140 character updates). The possibilities are endless for how well you can use Twitter to your advantage. You may simply want to bring some traffic to your main site, or perhaps advertise an event you or your company are involved with, you can even advertise your product or affiliate product using tweets to generate interest.
    Do you find that the quality is low?
    And you know what? This one single Ultra Spinnable article can generate 116,415,321,826,934,814,453,125 unique variations. And my members and myself have a new one each day of the month, week ends included!

    It means that we can build so many backlinks from unique content that someone who would write unique articles for this purpose would never be able to beat us.

    But you should never use automated softwares, do it by hand or use a service that can do this for you.

    Kind regards
    Vita Vee
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    Hey Vita, just wondering what tools do you use for spinning content like you described? Right now I'm really digging Jonathan Ledgers spinning tool, but I'm always interested in what else is out there...
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by Gorilla Writer View Post

      Hey Vita, just wondering what tools do you use for spinning content like you described? Right now I'm really digging Jonathan Ledgers spinning tool, but I'm always interested in what else is out there...
      Hi Gorilla Writer,

      We're using internal tools that allow us to share the work between the team.
      We can have up to 20 writers working on 1 single ultra spinnable article at a time so we really needed a custom solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Article spinners in general produce really crappy articles. Junk. I bought one spinner and paid nearly $300 for it. I used it once. The amount of time it took to make the spun article readable was the same time it would take to write a decent article from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author rayray7
    From many test, the best spinning software is CONTENT BOSS. Next you have "the best spinner" link in my signature. Content boss does it automatically and the best spinner requires some work. goodluck!
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    • Profile picture of the author sherrieb
      Originally Posted by rayray7 View Post

      From many test, the best spinning software is CONTENT BOSS. Next you have "the best spinner" link in my signature. Content boss does it automatically and the best spinner requires some work. goodluck!
      I don't think you're supposed to have affiliate links in your signature.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      This is the entire point of using the proper tool ... Human controlled tool that you the writer has full control over every single word. No pre-set database of junk words..

      If you take and write each paragraph as Liam explained above then you do not get articles that sound similar, you actually get fully unique articles that will be 70%+ in uniqueness..

      Using the proper tool you fully control the uniqueness as every single word is written by you the author..

      Example - Here is one paragraph rewritten by human hands and not some pre-set database..





      See notice it is not replacing words here and there.. it is a complete 100% rewrite of the paragraph.. Now do this with 5 or 6 paragraphs and you will have 70%+ in uniqueness and not articles that sound similar.

      James
      So essentially you're suggesting to write 3 (or more for larger spin numbers) articles with 5-6 paragraphs each, and substituting paragraphs? Isn't it possible to have 2-3 paragraphs together that match the original article?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        No I suggest you write one article... Now look at that article and create 3 - 5 alternatives for each paragraph. Do not replace words .. rewrite the paragraph.

        Once you have 3 - 5 alternatives for each paragraph (assuming you have a real article and not a 250 word blog post) then your options are unlimited.

        James

        Originally Posted by nl4u View Post

        I don't think you're supposed to have affiliate links in your signature.



        So essentially you're suggesting to write 3 (or more for larger spin numbers) articles with 5-6 paragraphs each, and substituting paragraphs? Isn't it possible to have 2-3 paragraphs together that match the original article?
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          No I suggest you write one article... Now look at that article and create 3 - 5 alternatives for each paragraph. Do not replace words .. rewrite the paragraph.

          Once you have 3 - 5 alternatives for each paragraph (assuming you have a real article and not a 250 word blog post) then your options are unlimited.

          James
          I'm still an engineer by education, so I can't help looking at the math...

          Let's take a basic article - introduction, three points, conclusion. That's 5 paragraphs. Write 5 alternatives for each. How many combinations is that?

          5x5x5x5x5 = 3,125 combinations, each up to 80% different than any other single combination, and none less than 20% different. All from 25 paragraphs (which in this example would be equivalent to five articles). That's a 125x boost in productivity - 125 times, not 125%.

          I'm still convinced that 95%+ of spun articles are crap, but it's due to crappy tools or lazy/incompetent execution. Blame the craftsman, not the tools.
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          • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
            I just finished preparing an article for spinning, and I timed myself - it took me 57 minutes. This was a 437 word article, and I rewrote the title and each paragraph 3 times. I'll use James' spinner and get at least 20 unique spins ranging from 70-95% or so, and they'll be spread around article directories and web 2.0 sites at the very least All that for 57 minutes work.....
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


            I'm still convinced that 95%+ of spun articles are crap, but it's due to crappy tools or lazy/incompetent execution. Blame the craftsman, not the tools.
            This is true John.. the problem is most want a push button system that will do it for them and the fact is that will never happen. There will never be any AI smart enough to write content for you on the fly. Due to many and their hyped up sales letters though, most are confused as to what a real article spinner is.

            Just in your case you think 95% of spun articles are crap, well this is probably due to you seeing a bunch of crappy spun articles. There are a few of us though that understand how easy it really is to create a spun article properly that nobody would ever be able to tell it was spun.

            People should understand that they should ignore 99.9% of the hyped up crap and realize it is going to take "WORK" (there goes that bad 4 letter word) in order to succeed in business..

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

              This is true John.. the problem is most want a push button system that will do it for them and the fact is that will never happen. There will never be any AI smart enough to write content for you on the fly. Due to many and their hyped up sales letters though, most are confused as to what a real article spinner is.

              Just in your case you think 95% of spun articles are crap, well this is probably due to you seeing a bunch of crappy spun articles. There are a few of us though that understand how easy it really is to create a spun article properly that nobody would ever be able to tell it was spun.

              People should understand that they should ignore 99.9% of the hyped up crap and realize it is going to take "WORK" (there goes that bad 4 letter word) in order to succeed in business..

              James
              Ain't that the truth...

              For a long time, I was against any form of mechanical or software-based article spinner because I had to wade through so much crap.

              I started changing my mind when someone sent me a sample, and asked me to try the 'one from column a and one from column b' approach. I could not tell the results were generated semi-mechanically.

              Which led me to my current take on article spinners...

              If I can't tell, I don't care.

              Now if we could just figure out how to get writers to use the correct words, i.e. "looser" vs. "loser". The first is a comparative term describing a state of tightness, the second is someone who loses (not looses) a lot. The two are not interchangeable.

              Sorry about that - an old wombat bite flared up for a moment...:rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author Saladin
                Spinning an article actually takes more time than writing/rewriting it , Not including the fact that you have to edit all the BS the software generates inside your article .

                Get a speech2text software , And get 7 minute articles by Jason ,Learn how to do it fast enough, You'll actually be saving more time and adding tons of quality to your articles , Which adds up a lot on the long term ! .
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                • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                  Originally Posted by Saladin View Post

                  Spinning an article actually takes more time than writing/rewriting it , Not including the fact that you have to edit all the BS the software generates inside your article .
                  This is total BS and I can see you have not even bothered to read the thread...

                  2 Hours from start - I can write a brand new article and produce 50 spun articles that will be from 50% - 90% in uniqueness, and no you would not have to check the articles after being spun and you would never be able to tell which one was the original.

                  You see when we just talk to talk and not actually do our research is when we put our foot in our mouth ...

                  James

                  P.S. Not all spinners are junk and not all work the same
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by oca101 View Post

      Use 30% Spun will be the safest thing to do.
      No actually that is the problem with all articles sounding the same .. You need to be getting as close to 70% as possible ..

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
    I know this is an old thread but still relevant.Firstly, the tool that one uses for spinning is much less important than the ability of the user to write decent content. If you can not write good, readable content then no amount of spinning will help you.

    I run a content driven site and spun content is an ongoing nightmare. We delete a large number of submissions because theyare submitted by users unable to use their tools correctly. This varies from people who leave in spintax delimiters (|{~ etc. to people who have only a passing command of English to those who are using what is obviously decent seed content but are using automation to generate volumes of very low quality material.

    I have been publishing other people's content now for about five years and I see that the baseline quality of content submissions has fallen through the floor and in large part this is due to spinning.

    I'd be willing to lay odds that somebody who is unable to produce decent quality spun content will get better results by submitting just one or two variations that are accepted for syndication on decent sites than by submitting dozens or hundreds of poor quality rubbish article.

    So, my take is this: like John McCabe above, if you want to use a spinner then go ahead, but make sure that I can't tell, because if I can tell then so can other stakeholders and what is the point of having rubbish that nobody wants to read? On my article site I am slowly downplaying the input of user generated content due to quality issues. I know of other sites looking at the same options. We are not talking of tiny no traffic sites here but well trafficked, well read sites. For example, my site has an average visit that takes in about 7 pages, a bounce rate of between 20-30% and thousands of unique visitors daily. We want to see quality content and we give a quality audience but poor quality spinning is ruining the opportunity. It is easier to use our own sourced content than to mess around with rubbish submissions!.

    By the way I use two spinning/rewriting tools.

    1) Rewrite Rocket from Jason Potash. This is the only tool I have come across that makes a decent fist of autorewriting articles so I often use it as a starting point when I am looking to uniqueify an article for re-use. I also like the way it works for spinning - it is simple and easy to make content where the information load is different from one article to the next.

    2) The Best Spinner from Jon Leger. The autorewrite is rubbish, sadly the synonym pool is too often corrupted by bad usage from other users and in any case, simple automated synonym replacement just gives nasty results.

    However I find that I can do manual spins of output from Rewrite Rocket very nicely and I like the blog poster, export into different spin formats and easy removal of spins from content.I can't imagine using only one or the other tool exclusively, they complement each other too well.
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    • Profile picture of the author seoxcell
      Automated Software is not preferred for SEO and generally in White Hat SEO technique. As it will be treated as spammy content by some of the Search Engine. So its better not to use such kind of automated software.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kerryrus
    Personally I don't use article spinners because they can leave your content unreadable. The best way to spin your content is do it yourself. Like seoxcell says it is spammy and I would stear clear of any spinning software.

    Kerry
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
      Originally Posted by Kerryrus View Post

      Personally I don't use article spinners because they can leave your content unreadable. The best way to spin your content is do it yourself. Like seoxcell says it is spammy and I would stear clear of any spinning software.

      Kerry
      This is simply not true!

      Poorly used automation gives poor quality content.
      Poor use of language gives poor quality content.
      Well used tools and well used language avoid these issues.

      I know that I can write spun content that is better than most people can write as a one-off, but as I already noted most automation IS rubbish, unless you check and correct it, but then the folks using automation are doing so in order to avoid work, not to do a good job.

      You do not have to use either Rewrite Rocket or The Best Spinner as automated tools, they are both VERY useful when used with complete oversight and control by the user.

      Search engines, I am sure, have no way of detecting that well rewritten content has been rewritten. But just like the duplicate content penalty there are plenty of folks to tell you otherwise.

      Here's an example of a spun article that I have used. I wrote this myself. There are literally hundreds of iterations of this article across the interwebs. I wrote it with the help of The Best Spinner. Do you think this is unreadable? Planet Love Match, Papi and Jennifer Lopez | Planet Love Match Online Dating Info
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Guys, the thread is more than a year and a half old.

      Many things have changed since then. Not least the Panda update, and the changes in article directory marketing, and so on.

      There are some perfectly good, up-to-date, current/recent threads about spinning.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-spinning.html

      If people keep dredging up these ancient threads for their futile arguments, the whole board will be covered with them. They help nobody.
      Please leave them alone! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
    I doubt the internet will run out of space, however you DO seem to have been quite busy spreading yourself about.
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