Desperate and in Need of Advice Please

30 replies
Hello all,


I hated to post this here but I have been attempting IM for five months now and I need some advice. I am afraid that I am spinning my wheels.


I have several sites. All of them have OK traffic but I have very little cash to show for it. OK, no cash. I am thinking my keyword selection is part of the problem.


Trying things out while learning:
I have used outsourcing to bookmark some of my sites.
I have used OnlyWire automated and manually.
I have really started getting articles out there. ArticleBot and ezinearticles.
I have pinged and submitted RSS feeds.


I built a decent site, at least I think it is, about a month before Christmas. That was going to be one of my flagship sites. I figured I could make some decent money there.


Decent = anything more than $1.60 which I made from Adsense.


Well I made $.72 from the Christmas rush. This is with Amazon autoposter plugin. The good news is I made $1.36 in February.


Anyway, I need to figure this out a little faster. I have read so many WSOs it's not even funny. I believe I am on the right track but would love someone else to tell me that I'm right or give me a kick in the right direction.


I have a list of 10 sites that are currently monetized or ready to be.


I need to speed up making some money with my sites. I am considering sending cheap Adwords, or PPV, traffic to the sites. I have not had any paid traffic as of today.


I understand that an OK site will make sales with enough traffic but a great site won't make any sales without traffic. I'm ready to pay for traffic to speed this up.


I would very much appreciate it if someone here could spend a few minutes and tell me which site you would send traffic to, if any. Which sites has the best shot at making some money? A list is attached.


For cash in the short term I will be building, and promoting, a few sites and selling them. I currently have one book on Amazon, and a new site, but I am waiting for the proof book to arrive so I can approve it. I have to approve the book before I can sell the site.


I may also look into becoming a virtual assistant.


Thank you in advance,
Steve
#advice #adwords #desperate #ppv
  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    Just a small suggestion...I'd work on one site at a time and get that one up and making you money before you move on to another one. Do everything you are learning in the forums to apply to that one site before you give up or move elsewhere.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720439].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author danbcaut
    it's hard to offer anything constructive without LOOKING at your site(s)

    What [besides Adsense] have you done or not done to monetize.
    Signature
    FREE Blog Clones Monthly
    http://CloneMyBlogs.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720457].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mrmatiesto
    I agree, without seeing the sites advice is hard to give. I also agree that one site at a time works best.

    Just my 2 cents

    Jim
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720462].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lowjo
    Hi Steve,

    I've downloaded your ZIP file and I'll see if I can give you some useful advice. I'm sure you'll get heaps of great advice from other members.

    Like Jenn suggested it may help to actually reduce the number of sites your trying to tackle at one time. I like to get a system working first and then branch out.

    It can take time to get results and I know the waiting game sucks.

    Cheers,

    Jonathan
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720479].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Hi all,

      One site at a time. I read that by starting several at one time it would reduce some of the risks out of choosing niches. If I had 5 or 6 sites with different niches, surely one should start to make money.

      I have 47 domains now. I started with parking. I don't have 47 sites up. Most of the domains are info domains. When I first started, I didn't know any better.

      You can see the sites. There is an attachment to my first post that has all the urls along with some traffic stats and inbound links as reported by Yahoo Explorer.

      I am going to build some sites using most/all my infos and try and sell them. I may also sell some of my coms if the infos don't sell, although infos are selling right now on flippa.

      What I have tried. I had adsense on a few sites for a month or so. I made $.13. Then I pulled all the Adsense a few weeks later and put on cpa offers. About a month later I happened into my Adsense account and saw that I had $1.60.

      Most of my sites now use Amazon products (Charles Montgmery's WSO). For CPA I have an arcade site with GameFly and a couple of sites with Blockbuster rentals. NetXrix didn't approve me. I also have one site with Free gas, auto finance and credit report CPA ads.

      The last 2 domains that I bought and built sites for have much better domain names and search results.

      PlayXXXXXXXXXes DOT Com
      ToyXXXXXXo DOT com.

      Thank you for all your suggestions and help.

      Steve
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720568].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author soniia21
    I agree, focus on one project at a time, master the process and then apply the techniques you've learnt to the next one and so forth...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720511].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lowjo
    OK, first site on the list for Country Guitar Lessons. First thing that strikes me is that all of the internal links are giving me 404 page not found errors.

    The pages Google has indexed (other than the main URL) return 404 errors so something is up there.

    Obviously getting some traffic as Alexa puts your site at around 1.2 million.

    Do you know where you're ranking for your chosen keywords?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720515].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Hi,

      I moved this site and just got it fixed right before I started this thread. I guess I should have tested it a little more. I was just so excited to see it come up I assumed it was OK. I will get on that right now.

      This is my 30 Day Challenge site. It was #10 on gaggle for quite a while.

      As far as where I'm ranking. I have RankChecker. I try not to check too often as I read it kind of brings you down when googl dances. I have several keywords on the front page of Yah_oo and Bin_g. Googl has just dropped my countryguitar and PlayXXXXX off the grid. Still many pages indexed though. Just nowhere close to the first page.

      I also have numbers for all my domains from my research. CPC, open searches, exact, in quotes, open competition, allintitle, allintitle in quotes.

      Steve

      Edit: 404 errors. Craziest thing. My admin panel showed 8 posts but none would appear in the edit window. I had deactivate all of my plugins then all the posts appeared.

      Originally Posted by lowjo View Post

      OK, first site on the list for Country Guitar Lessons. First thing that strikes me is that all of the internal links are giving me 404 page not found errors.

      The pages Google has indexed (other than the main URL) return 404 errors so something is up there.

      Obviously getting some traffic as Alexa puts your site at around 1.2 million.

      Do you know where you're ranking for your chosen keywords?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720579].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lowjo
    Totally understand your multiple site approach I mean some sites are going to be more profitable than others so hedging your bets isn't a bad thing just run the risk of spreading yourself thin or at least being very busy and losing focus.

    Going to take a little time for me to get a good look at all your sites and come up with anything you can take to the bank...but still running with your guitar site for now...

    Now, I'm only guessing because I don't know, but the article that's on the main page right now is intended to grab people already interested in that product (searching by name) and of course the person wanting to have that sort of DVD training.

    A good place to insert yourself in the buying cycle.

    However with that article / review I do notice a couple of things (take everything I say with a grain of salt because there are 100 ways to skin a cat 10,000 ways to promote the 'How to Skin A Cat' ebook).

    When I use that approach I really have to wake up the inner salesman and try and think about what my visitor truly desires...is it really about the guitar...maybe but it's more likely to pick up the gals (or guys), get a sense of accomplishment, get bragging rights, maybe he's in the middle of a mid life crisis and just wants to recapture his dream...

    I find the itch, I make it itch even more and then offer the solution and tell them to quit wasting time, get the credit card and for the love of all things good go buy it right friggin now!

    My point is that I don't get that from that article. I get a nice list of benefits and and a mild call to action further down the page.

    It doesn't have to be a long sales letter or even an overtly hard sell. In fact you can tweak what you've got and it'll probably convert like crazy...but again I'm only assuming it doesn't already.

    I also think the sales page you're sending them too is pretty weak. I'd try to light a fire under their butts and send them directly to the order page.

    It seems like you're getting some traffic and that traffic is reasonably targeted so if it's not converting then something is up.

    The keywords for that site have pretty big monthly search volumes (or so the big G says) and surprisingly little competition really so getting up in the SERPs is pretty key but again only if the site converts.

    And often someone searching for a product by name already knows a lot about it and they know why they want it they are really looking for that final excuse to buy (or the excuse to turn tail and run) so give em the really big reason to buy.

    Money back guarantees, convenience and good price is what I tell my wife and my friends was the reason I bought something...but the real reason is because I want everyone to be blown away by my kick butt guitar playing.

    OK, sorry for writing a novel and it may well be advice you're not the least bit interested in but it is the first thing that really struck me as soon as I landed on that site.

    But really just one or two compelling pages on your site and some really good articles out there can easily be the difference between money and broke...at least for product sales.

    And those same elements need to find their way into ads, PPC, email etc.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720808].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ronitdeep
    I will like you to read this post.
    Signature

    --------

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1720929].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Since your sites already have decent traffic, you may consider sprucing a few of them up and selling them. That's what I'd do if I were you.
    Signature

    In all that you do, know your True INTENT...

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1721057].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      I'm going to echo what LowJo is telling you. I love the guitar domain name, but...

      The copy on the page, quite frankly, is horrible. I'm going to give you a piece of advice I just read in an interview Bryan Kumar did with Allen Says, which I think is brilliant.

      Create everything you do with an eye towards would it stir interest in you. Would it make you buy? Would it keep you reading if you found it on the internet? People have the same core desires, feelings, and motivations as you, so create something which move you onto the next step. This advice from Allen is based upon the Golden Rule. (Thank you Bryan for sharing the interview in the War Room, very motivational.)

      I'm also going to send you a PM. There is a different product you should be promoting, it resonates with your site much better. The one you chose is a poor match, and your conversion may stink. You are talking to a bunch of country boys who want to learn to play music, not city boys and your current product selection is a city boy product. (Not a product I deal with at all, but is such a great match.)

      I think this site could outperform all your other ones combined. I find the other names weak on appeal, and probably taking on markets which are going to be tougher.

      Change your emphasis in your posts to make their desire to play country guitar really start burning. Put a big itch in the seat of their pants. Tell them how fun it is to play the guitar. Tell them about having the girls sitting around them while they play the guitar. Let them know about the ice cold beers the guys bring you while you are playing your country guitar. Damn, I need to learn to play the country guitar, those cowgirls are so cute. (Get the picture?)

      Then show them how they can learn....
      Signature
      Brain Drained...Signature Coming Soon!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1721128].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
        Did you buy domain names based on keywords or did you set up keywords based on the domains?

        There is a huge difference. Keyword research is nr.1 and when you choose one it should have: decent traffic, competition you can handle, traffic quality (buyers or active info-seekers), a active market, and last - an available domain (you can always tweak domain names to suit you).

        I took a quick peek at your domains and for the X-mas project I can´t see it generating anything much. Electronics is also very hard sell for these types of sites.

        Copy is so-so and it´s difficult to see why you chose the specific domain names you have since they give you no edge.

        I would drop efforts on all except the guitar site which is at least on-topic all the way. But where is the money on that site. How are going to convert the couple of hundred visitors a month you will be getting by topping the serps?

        I would maybe go with Moneysoap and sell the sites. Start over with one site at a time and a clear target of where the money is.
        Signature

        Free action plan : Think less. Do more.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1721221].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
          Hi mrdomains,

          The first 40 domains or so I bought for the keywords. Didn't do any research except for G@@gls keyword tool to check for searches. I was going to park them and wanted a lot of searches. That's all I knew at the time. Saw it in a youtub video actually.

          The later ones have better numbers. My problem in this area is that every guru has their own criteria when doing keyword research.

          I mean one post, or WSO, will be talking about under 10,000 pages, another will be talking about in quotes, another 20,000, then there's the ones that recommend intitle searches.

          Then to top it all off there are a bunch of people that say it doesn't matter at all how many sites come up in a search. They are all not your competition. Just worry about the first 10 because that's where you want to be.

          If I had to please all those gurus, well I couldn't.

          I have listed 2 sites and will try and sell a bunch more.

          I will probably sell almost all of them but I'd really like to see a couple produce, if possible. I mean even though they are not on the first page of the big G, they have a fair amount of traffic and it should go up. Especially when I start submitting more articles and promoting them.

          Thanks for your help.
          Steve



          Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

          Did you buy domain names based on keywords or did you set up keywords based on the domains?

          There is a huge difference. Keyword research is nr.1 and when you choose one it should have: decent traffic, competition you can handle, traffic quality (buyers or active info-seekers), a active market, and last - an available domain (you can always tweak domain names to suit you).

          I took a quick peek at your domains and for the X-mas project I can´t see it generating anything much. Electronics is also very hard sell for these types of sites.

          Copy is so-so and it´s difficult to see why you chose the specific domain names you have since they give you no edge.

          I would drop efforts on all except the guitar site which is at least on-topic all the way. But where is the money on that site. How are going to convert the couple of hundred visitors a month you will be getting by topping the serps?

          I would maybe go with Moneysoap and sell the sites. Start over with one site at a time and a clear target of where the money is.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1728704].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
    Steve - you have some pretty cool domain names, some great looking sites, and a fair amount of content on those sites.

    Your guitar site comes up on the 2nd page of Google for "country guitar lessons" - you're getting close!

    I'll give you my overall thoughts on each site and some suggestions for moving forward.

    Country Guitar - Focused site, good content, almost to 1st page for your keyword. Could use a more obvious call to action (an ad on the side above the fold that links to sales page, for example). Needs more backlinks and promotion but probably not too much more to surpass competition. I'd keep it and continue building/promoting.

    Cars for Used - Seems off topic to me. I expected to find out where I could buy used cars but seems to advertise auto parts, buying guides, and car loans. Personally, I'd sell the domain or refocus the site on one, small niche (used car loans OR used car parts).

    Cool Game Play - very competitive niche. Needs a lot of promotion to increase traffic but is at least getting traffic. How many are buyers, though? Or are they kids? I've seen these types of sites do well on flippa.com, though. Personally, I'd sell domain or be prepared to work hard to promote.

    DVD Rental Movies - As far as Rank Checker shows, you're not even in the top 200 for the keyword (but the site looks nice and is targeted to your subject and topic). Either sell or put a plan for promotion together.

    Hd Plasma TV - The post on the home page has hyperlinks pointing back to itself. Not sure why? Site is targeted and looks nice but not in the top 200 for your keyword. Would require a lot more promotion.

    Inch HDTV - Not sure what the keywords are here - "inch hdtv" doesn't clue me in. Interesting trick, though - your "more" text at the end of the post takes me right to Amazon. The post titles are very focused, but there was no obvious call to action in the few posts I checked. Other than the "more" taking me to Amazon unexpectedly, there was nothing that said "Want to learn more about xxxx TV? Visit xxxx.com (hyperlink)" or something like that.

    Internet DVD Rentals - First thing I see is ad to Amazon's laptop store. Nothing about DVD rentals above the fold. And the next post is a review of a large screen TV which seems out of place on a site about internet DVD rentals. Post topics are kind of all over the board.

    Playstation 3 Accessories - Nice domain name! Good search volume, good traffic. I'd need more to understand why this one isn't making money. Might be lack of obvious call to action or short post detail. I noticed at least one post said "no description could be found for this product but you can check it out at Amazon". Might just need the posts to be more informative and stir the reader to take action.

    Toys Elmo - Not a lot of Elmo toys, at least on the 1st page. Still has a Christmas stocking in the corner. Oh - hello - just clicked the link to Elmo Super Store. Now THERE are some Elmo toys. Why aren't they on the 1st page? I had to look to find them.

    Vans and Cars for Sale - I don't see a single car for sale on the site. Seems way off topic.

    In a nutshell, if I were you I would pick a few (three at most) to focus on:

    1) the ones that were the most on-topic
    2) receiving the most targeted traffic based on the search phrases that lead them to your site
    3) are commercial

    I'd sell the rest or let them sit until you're ready to get back to them.

    Of the few you decide to work on, come up with a strategy that spreads your available time over the sites you chose to do the following targeting a few, select keywords for each site:

    1) continue adding content
    2) write articles
    3) build backlinks

    If you're going to go the self-promotion route, schedule could look like this:
    Monday - write two blog posts per site (schedule them so they come out every few days)
    Tuesday - write two articles per site, build backlinks
    Wednesday - write two articles per site, build backlinks
    Thursday - write two blog posts per site (schedule them out)
    etc....

    The actual work is more in-depth than my descriptions, but the point is to get something out for each site every day whether that be a post, an article, or some new links.

    Or outsource the work or try PPC but if you haven't done it before, get some good tutorial on PPC first.

    And - congratulations because you have put out a ton of work. Real learning comes by "taking action", as they say all over the forum and you've done a ton of learning. I suspect you're about to pass the plateau you've been on with a little more laser-focused approach to a few sites.

    Good luck.

    Erica
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1721107].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Hi Erica,

      Thank you for the kind words.

      Would you recommend Flippa or Sedo to sell coolgameplay?

      Steve

      Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

      you have some pretty cool domain names, some great looking sites, and a fair amount of content on those sites.

      Cool Game Play - sell domain

      And - congratulations because you have put out a ton of work. Real learning comes by "taking action", as they say all over the forum and you've done a ton of learning. I suspect you're about to pass the plateau you've been on with a little more laser-focused approach to a few sites.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1722635].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
    I have never flipped my own site (but I window-shop on Flippa regularly!) I know there's a lot of information on the forum about Flippa and I have a friend who has had success there but I can't vouch personally. Use the Search function in the forum for both and see what comes up. I know I've seen some really good threads on the subject.

    Good luck!

    PS - Just thought of something. You might want to check the rules on having "Playstation" in your domain name. There was just a thread about trademark violations, etc. I don't know enough about the rules on this one. You might check into that, too.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1724045].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    Here are a few things I would suggest:

    1. I would suggest trying to get some natural backlinks to your websites. You also have to make sure that your websites have a strong and specific call to action. If someone is landing on site, after site, after site they need to have a reason to stay on yours and actually buy something!

    2. I would stop even trying to earn from adsense. I know that many people make a great living from adsense, but to me it conflicts with affiliate marketing efforts and based on some extensive testing I have done, I made more than enough "extra" affiliate commissions to make up for the adsense earnings.

    3. Leverage the power of high PR websites to get exposure for your product or service. Article marketing is a great way to do this, and getting articles to rank high in on Google is typically much easier than getting a website there. Write an article on a high PR website such as Ezinearticles.com or Goarticles.com, build some backlinks to the site via blog commenting and forum signatures, and watch the rankings and traffic grow.

    These 3 tips should help you out.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1724314].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Hi all,

      Well I've put the superstore on the front page at Toys Elmo.

      On Country Guitar Lessons I:
      Set the links directly to the order page.
      Spiced up the front page a little. I hope that gets that itch going.
      I have articles to submit to start getting some backlinks.

      Three questions please.

      1.) Articles on Country Guitar. Show there be any links in the articles that point to the domain itself or should they all point to the order page?

      2.) Which site would you send PPC to? DVD Rental Movies or Country Guitar Lessons?

      3.) I found DOUG SEVEN @ SizzlingGuitarLicks.com - Country Guitar Lessons At It's Finest but the gravity is .11. Would you switch? How important is gravity?

      I have 2 sites on Namepros right now. Flippa wants $20 just to list them, so I thought I'd try NP for a couple of days.

      Thanks again for all your help,
      Steve
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1727582].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
        Originally Posted by SteveSch View Post

        Hi all,

        Well I've put the superstore on the front page at Toys Elmo.
        I think it looks good! Those toys stand right out!

        Originally Posted by SteveSch View Post


        On Country Guitar Lessons I:
        Set the links directly to the order page.
        Spiced up the front page a little. I hope that gets that itch going.
        I have articles to submit to start getting some backlinks.
        You did a great job on the new post using KansasDragon's suggestion to rattle the itch! Nice.

        Originally Posted by SteveSch View Post

        1.) Articles on Country Guitar. Show there be any links in the articles that point to the domain itself or should they all point to the order page?
        If it were me, I'd put a banner ad to the product at the top of the sidebar or at the top of the site and have the articles point to the home page or to specific posts as appropriate. I wouldn't point them to the sales page.

        This way, you leave your options open to build a list in the future if you want and you build backlinks to your site. Over time, with continued promotion, your site can rise for more and more search terms.

        Originally Posted by SteveSch View Post

        2.) Which site would you send PPC to? DVD Rental Movies or Country Guitar Lessons?
        Me - neither. PPC and I just don't get along...yet. But, if I HAD to pick one, I'd research the cost per click of each, the search volume for each and look at the ROI - how much you might make in exchange for your investment. Spend your money where you think you're likely to get the best return.

        Or run a short campaign for each, shoot for the top spot and analyze the clicks and purchase rate and see if one outperforms the other.

        Just some ideas. Like I said, PPC and I...

        Originally Posted by SteveSch View Post

        3.) I found DOUG SEVEN @ SizzlingGuitarLicks.com - Country Guitar Lessons At It's Finest but the gravity is .11. Would you switch? How important is gravity?
        I make a nice amount of money from a Clickbank product with a gravity less than 10. I believe Gravity is just the number of unique individuals who have sold a particular product over a period of time. A gravity of 10 could mean 10 people each sold 1 copy or 10 people each sold 1000 copies.

        Instead, I look at the landing page. Does anything throw me off as a consumer? I check cbsnooper.com for refund rate and avoid those greater than 15% (although those stats can be misleading, too).

        I look at how much I can make per sale and the price of the product compared to competitive products.

        And good luck with the site sales. Would love to know how Namepros works out!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1727907].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
          Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

          You did a great job on the new post using KansasDragon's suggestion to rattle the itch! Nice.
          Glad you liked it.

          Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

          I make a nice amount of money from a Clickbank product with a gravity less than 10. I believe Gravity is just the number of unique individuals who have sold a particular product over a period of time. A gravity of 10 could mean 10 people each sold 1 copy or 10 people each sold 1000 copies.

          Instead, I look at the landing page. Does anything throw me off as a consumer? I check cbsnooper.com for refund rate and avoid those greater than 15% (although those stats can be misleading, too).
          I will look into that site. This product has a POINT one one gravity. .11

          Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

          And good luck with the site sales. Would love to know how Namepros works out!
          I will post here how it goes. Not even any bites now. I probably have them priced too high. I put OBO in the ad though.

          And thanks for pointing out no banner in the sidebar. I recently moved that site. It had sidebar banners. Does again now.

          Thanks again,
          Steve
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1728731].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Steve, instead of working on 10 sites
    at once, develop an approach you can take
    with one site and duplicate it.

    If you haven't yet found an approach
    that makes you money with your sites,
    maybe you should turn to CPA or List Building.

    Igor
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1727654].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Hi Igor,

      Thanks. I am going to sell off a bunch of sites so I'll need to get them ready to go. Today I just repaired 2 where the problems were pointed out to me. I'd feel bad if I asked for advice then ignored it.

      Even if I sell these, it should make them more valuable.

      I have several CPA sites and several Amazon sites. I currently only have one adsense site that I haven't touched in months. It is one of the ones I'm selling first.

      I also have a bunch of articles for my Country Guitar site that I'll be submitting soon.

      Steve



      Originally Posted by igorhelpsyousucceed View Post

      Steve, instead of working on 10 sites
      at once, develop an approach you can take
      with one site and duplicate it.

      If you haven't yet found an approach
      that makes you money with your sites,
      maybe you should turn to CPA or List Building.

      Igor
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1727831].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jimmyab
    Hey Steve - first things first - your site is valuable only if it gives someone a decent return on investment - so its gotta be producing cashflow...consistently.

    You got some great advice from seasoned pros above, but I need to ask this -have you looked at the market for your sites, is there real traffic volume and are there hungry buyers?

    Cos without traffic you are dead in the water!

    Check it out by taking your main keywords and use say Google keyword tool and do a search on monthly volume - you gonna need at least 1000 searches/mth to even consider promoting - obviously the greater the better.

    But if there aint traffic - cut it ...only work with products that have good traffic.

    Then take one site/product and learn how to dominate longer tail keywords in that market - these generally have much less competition - but often healthy search volumes.

    I use authority sites like Scribd, Hubpages, Blogger to drive traffic to my offer and by drilling down to find less competitive long tail keywords and posting using these.

    Once you get steady traffic - then if all else is right - you get steady sales - then your site gives ROI and value to a purchaser.
    Signature

    Stop pointing to your signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1727958].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
      Originally Posted by jimmyab

      Check it out by taking your main keywords and use say Google keyword tool and do a search on monthly volume - you gonna need at least 1000 searches/mth to even consider promoting - obviously the greater the better.

      But if there aint traffic - cut it ...only work with products that have good traffic.
      Hi jummyab,

      I do run a few numbers. I actually ran less on the last few domains than I did the first ones. I didn't think the numbers were bad.



      Are these numbers good enough to keep in your opinion?

      I do need to work on looking at buying keywords though. Toys Elmo is not a great buying keyword. If I keep it, I'm hoping I can get enough people to visit that some will buy anyway.

      Law of averages. If enough people visit, one will surely accidentally hit a buy button.

      Steve
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1728862].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
        Nice writing on your new post. You are hitting the emotional hot buttons now, instead of just telling them about the features.

        One more little suggestion...Add a picture of Bambi. I'm not joking. Down in the area towards the bottom, find yourself a picture of a cute cowgirl, and put it in. You can probably find one on Flickr which has Common Creatives licensing to use. Stir up the emotions one more little step.

        I cannot really comment on the alternative product I suggested. I did not even look at the Clickbank stats, I just thought the feel of the product was a better match. If you start getting enough traffic, swap your ads for a few days, and see what happens. Only testing will give you the real answer.

        I actually found the product going backwards. He ranks higher for Country Guitar Lessons on Google, and then after I found the site, I tracked it back to Clickbank. You could always contact the site owner and ask him directly about conversions, sales, and how you two might be able to partner. He'd probably be thrilled you asked.
        Signature
        Brain Drained...Signature Coming Soon!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1728959].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author SteveSch
          Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

          Nice writing on your new post. You are hitting the emotional hot buttons now, instead of just telling them about the features.

          One more little suggestion...Add a picture of Bambi.
          Bambi is in the house.

          Thanks again for the suggestion. I never realized I could get photos from Flickr to use. I have another free photos place but they are pretty limited.

          Steve
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1730716].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
            Steve.
            I haven't read through all the replies here so half of this might have already been mentioned. I'll just jump in with something about your guitar site.

            Firstly, you are in a tough niche, not so much with competition but in terms of figuring out what the customer really wants. I can tell you now, this niche needs to be ultra specific, possibly more so than others, you need to take relevance to the next level. Your site needs work, your header is wasting space and the white text is blending into the picture making it hard to read. This is your one opportunity to make the visitor stay on your site and read on, don't waste it.

            You need to check your analytics and figure out what keywords are bringing visitors and then figure out if they are buying keywords, use them to get ideas for what to say in your header.

            How many hops are you getting for learn and master? I haven't done the country guitar niche yet but my experience tells me it's probably the same as the one's I know about and I'd guess your conversion rate is very low, why? because learn and master is a generic learn guitar product. Visitors to your site are only interested in country guitar and that is exactly what they want to see. If you can't find a decent product then you need to presell them on how learn and master is perfect for learning country guitar.

            Doug Seven's site is a mess, to use that you would need to do the selling for him, it might be worth a try but it's probably not your best choice anyway because the keyword "learn country guitar" must be presumed for beginners. Wannabe country guitarists are probably more realistic than wannabe rock guitarists who are easily sold on the cool stuff that's way too advanced for them. My gut feeling tells me the average country guitarist isn't going to be so fickle or easily impressed so taking them to a site that auto loads a video with the craziest albert lee style chicken picking might be their dream but I don't think it will be an easy sell, unless terms like albert lee, chicken pickin etc are bringing visitors then look for something more basic. You could test in the meantime with some amazon links at the top of your page, a good way to test what your customers are looking for. If you don't have one already then open an associates account.

            hang out at some country guitar forums, you should get some good ideas there for what beginners are looking for.

            Hope that helps a bit.
            Lee
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1732906].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author 2very
              I was filled with emotions that I nearly cried reading "the dream",
              but the rest didn't impress me very much to be honest with you.
              I got to your site and I was just about to leave,
              there was nothing interesting to keep me there,
              The only reason I read the letter is because
              I read the comments here in the forum, and I like the story,
              But after that the letter is weak.
              I would put the video inside the post and get rid of that sidebar,
              You want your visitor to click on the link that makes you money,
              Not read your articles, you use the articles to get people to that
              Page and from there they should only go to your affiliate link or leave,
              And when they leave put an exit popup, if they are leaving you might as well
              Try to grab their email address, giving something away for free.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1747196].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mike24
    Starting to target several niches at the same time is something that only people who have spent considerable amount of time in the IM world, can successfully do..for the rest of us newbies we spread our limited resources and experience too thin and than end up paying the price. Stick with the basics initially, make it work and than move on to more sites. Monetizing sites is a skill within itself, where to properly put adsense ads, where to encourage viewers to take action, promoting affiliate products on your blog these are all great strategies but each one needs to be properly tested..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1728252].message }}

Trending Topics