Too many backlinks to soon = Google Sandbox?

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Ok so, as a test I bookmarked a blog post alot of times in order to see what would happen and its completely gone from google. I'm guessing that if you bookmark to much to soon your content will go away. What is your experience with backlinks? And how fast do you build links?
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    If you search "sandbox" on the forum, you'll see a lot of discussion on this and varying opinions. Was your site previously on google and now cannot be found or was it never indexed yet? Also, how old was the blog when you did this? I've never seen a "sandbox" effect with anything I've done so I don't really know if that's something that actually happens but know that you can go up and down in google lots for a variety of reasons. Just not sure if you're saying it was there and now its gone or what.
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    • Profile picture of the author socomplete
      Yes, my blog was indexed in google for a keyword and was at the 7th position and then I bookmarked the blog and submitted it to directories and using the social bot and directory bot.
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  • Profile picture of the author danbcaut
    It's simple ...

    Sandbox or not - too many new backlinks showing up all at once says SPAM to Mother Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author GavinLively
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      Originally Posted by danbcaut View Post

      It's simple ...

      Sandbox or not - too many new backlinks showing up all at once says SPAM to Mother Google.
      This is total speculation and no way to really prove this nor is there a way that Google can fairly enforce such an idea...

      This is the kind of mindlessly regurgitated tripe that gets repeated and repeated ad nauseum where all the newbies pick up and take it as gospel truth because someone who has been marketing on the internet a week longer than they have told them so so it must be true...(sarcasm intended)

      Following your logic All I would have to do is link bomb your site with a thousand links all at once to knock you out of the SERPS to eliminate competition.

      What is more likely is that Google will not give you any extra ranking if you get a bunch of links going to your site all at once... But it would be silly for Google to immediately assume SPAM and take your site out of the index...It would be too easy to knock your competition out of the index if this were true.

      Point being is that no one can be completely sure what Google does and why and when...The only way you can even be remotely sure is to do your own testing and tracking... and even then your conclusion may never be 100% accurate and can always change the very next second.

      And don't believe regurgitated tripe with NO objective proof to back it up.

      Just my 2 cents
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      • Profile picture of the author socomplete
        Yeah, I'm thinking of going the paid traffic route.
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    • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
      Originally Posted by danbcaut View Post

      It's simple ...

      Sandbox or not - too many new backlinks showing up all at once says SPAM to Mother Google.

      Err couldnt it mean you have a really good site that people have linked to ??? which is exactly how google should work lol if you have a good site and loads of people link to it Google are not going to sandbox good sites it wouldnt make sense to do so either if you think about it lol !

      Woc
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  • Profile picture of the author AdamSlade88
    Originally Posted by socomplete View Post

    Ok so, as a test I bookmarked a blog post alot of times in order to see what would happen and its completely gone from google. I'm guessing that if you bookmark to much to soon your content will go away. What is your experience with backlinks? And how fast do you build links?
    It may just be the google dance. Check in another few days or even a week and your site will be back up on google. Just keep building backlinks to your site and dont worry
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Zalesky
    I really think all of what we call the sandbox is just a filter google has to weed out the spam sites. If you get quality links vs just social links etc, you will find that you will be out of the sandbox in no time. Focusing on relevant links vs random links will help keep you out of the box and will improve your overall rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    Here's what I get from my experiences and test:

    TOO many backlinks will not get your site sandbox-ed immediately if your topic of your website is related to certain trend.

    You will only get sandbox-ed when you have a gazillion links linking to your site in a day from a topic that Google knows isn't hot.

    For example, if your site is about how to tie a bowtie and then you get like 10k links in day, your site might get sandbox-ed.

    However, if your topic is something like "John Terry's scandal", "Haiti", "Desmond Ong is freaking awesome"...your site should not be sandbox-ed.

    It really depends on the trend of your topic.

    PS: I know some people are going to hit me back on this...so I just want to say that this is "from my experiences" and I don't own Google...so I don't know. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Arbitrager
      Originally Posted by Desmond Ong View Post

      Here's what I get from my experiences and test:

      TOO many backlinks will not get your site sandbox-ed immediately if your topic of your website is related to certain trend.

      You will only get sandbox-ed when you have a gazillion links linking to your site in a day from a topic that Google knows isn't hot.

      For example, if your site is about how to tie a bowtie and then you get like 10k links in day, your site might get sandbox-ed.

      However, if your topic is something like "John Terry's scandal", "Haiti", "Desmond Ong is freaking awesome"...your site should not be sandbox-ed.

      It really depends on the trend of your topic.

      PS: I know some people are going to hit me back on this...so I just want to say that this is "from my experiences" and I don't own Google...so I don't know. :-)
      very true,



      my ipad site have 2k backlinks in 2 weeks. 1000 pages indexed and 200 unique visitor/ day. Its build on 2 weeks old domain. my ipad site have 2k backlinks in 2 weeks. 1000 pages indexed and 200 unique visitor/ day. Its build on 2 weeks old domain. my ipad site have 2k backlinks in 2 weeks. 1000 pages indexed and 200 unique visitor/ day. Its build on 2 weeks old domain. Google love it!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    The information in this thread is so wrong that it is really sick .. Does anybody ever understand what marketing really is ???

    You can build 10,000 links in one day and no you will not get hurt by no stupid google.

    You want proof ??

    Good then do a true test .. Instead of just spamming a bunch of sites to try and prove you can get sandboxed (which is a myth) why not do some real marketing and prove it.

    Step #1

    Have a writer create a proper press release for you. Now go to PRWeb Press Release Distribution Increases Online Visibility and Web Traffic and pay the $300 for the highest Press Release coverage and Options. Add teh press release and all the goodies and seo and etc..

    Step #2

    Take an article based on the same as the press release targeting the same website. Go buy some lame auto submit software and blast the heck out of it to 1,000 article directories.

    Step #3

    Take the same exact site and submit the rss feed for that site to at least 50 rss feed directories. This can be done manually in a few hours easily since you are submitting 1 rss feed.

    Step #4

    Get you bookmarking accounts ready or go buy some lame bookmarking software. Create your title based on your keywords only (in other words this is your anchor text), create your description and add yourdomain.com in the description. Add your keywords you are targeted for this same domain that you did in step 1, 2, and 3. Now submit your bookmark to at least 500 places even if you need to create several accounts.

    Step #5

    Take your bookmark profiles and rss feeds from your bookmark profile and ping them, while you at it ping your articles that you submitted to the article directories.

    All of this can be done in one day and yes it will create 1,000's of backlinks and you will not be punished by google at all... If your time is limited then take 2 days to do it but fact is it can be done in 1 day if you decide to take action and focus.

    What you will end up with is great listings and some nice traffic. Notice I did not say anything about spamming web 2.0 sites or spamming blogs with spam comments.

    How do I know the above works, because I do it and if it was true about google spanking you like a red headed step child all my sites would be kicked out of google. Fact is I get some pretty nice traffic and that traffic is growing day by day.

    The above is what "MARKETING" is ...

    James

    Disclaimer: I am assuming you know what SEO is and How to do proper keyword research
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    • Profile picture of the author yukinari84
      If it's a new site and you throw too many backlinks at it at once, this can cause you to get sandboxed.

      If it's an older site, the chances are less likely.

      It sounds more like the Google Dance than a sandbox issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sharpscrew
        Man unless you will do thousands back links a day you have nothing to worry about. Remember there is basically no chance that they will show up at this same time.
        Second thing you have to understand what Google Sandbox is. Allot people assume that that is some form of penalty which is just not the truth. Sandbox does not apply to the website as whole but rather to single keywords depending on their search volume, competing websites, saturation. Their are some general website attributes that could have negative influence on keywords ranking also and those would be Domain age, relevance, link building and posting continuity, even contraction of the website itself.
        I you are afraid of getting sandbox there is allot of more to worry about than just link building. If I had one suggestion it would be to concentrate on quality of everything you do and don't do anything stupid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I don't understand how people get such crazy perspectives on this.

    As James said - getting a lot of links quickly is exactly what a normal successful business would do - press releases, publicated articles, partners linking to them - this is normal marketing and not inherently a bad thing - in fact, it's a good thing.

    However, the statements people make as fact about it not being possible to get a site penalised - are also not true and just what they 'think' and I've found ways that don't agree with that.

    So - my advice is - Focus on non-spammy marketing methods and you can get all the links you want. If you blast bookmarks at an otherwise unlinked site and you keep doing it from the same accounts - well, you may find yourself with different results.

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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      I would agree Andy ... Yes spamming your site left and right and over and over .. Sure you will see some different results.

      But spam blasting is NOT marketing either...

      James

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I don't understand how people get such crazy perspectives on this.

      As James said - getting a lot of links quickly is exactly what a normal successful business would do - press releases, publicated articles, partners linking to them - this is normal marketing and not inherently a bad thing - in fact, it's a good thing.

      However, the statements people make as fact about it not being possible to get a site penalised - are also not true and just what they 'think' and I've found ways that don't agree with that.

      So - my advice is - Focus on non-spammy marketing methods and you can get all the links you want. If you blast bookmarks at an otherwise unlinked site and you keep doing it from the same accounts - well, you may find yourself with different results.

      Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author simmonsmike7
    You can't get banned by bookmarking a blog post, even if you do it a few hundred times. Your site will come back, stop worrying about it...

    Google has very weird ways of doing things and new sites come & go from their SERPs. Give it a few months, you'll be cooL!
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  • If the Google "too many backlinks built in so little time" penalty were true, then:

    ---> I can create software which can automatically build thousands of backlinks for my competitors in say 2 hours, so I'd be nuking competitors while sleeping.

    If the Google "spam backlinks and spam backlink places" penalty were true, then:

    ---> I'd add this function to the software above = create gibberish content + add spammy statements + focus on spammy sites and link farms for the software to be more effective in nuking my competitors while I'm at the beach with my family.

    If the Google "duplicate content" penalty were true, then:

    ---> I'd create a software which can (1) monitor if new content is added to the sites of my competitors, (2) determine if new content has been indexed by SEs or otherwise, (3) take unindexed new content from sites of my competitors, (4) create email accounts then high PR community site accounts, and (5) publish exact unindexed content from competitors as profile pages on those high PR Web 2.0 sites (these sites are indexed regularly) to nuke my competitors while I'm watching TV.


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  • Profile picture of the author Coolamit477
    Backlinks are really a necessary to got a good rank in google page rank & the dofollow forum got good rank then always follow dofollow forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    Originally Posted by socomplete View Post

    What is your experience with backlinks? And how fast do you build links?
    I started a new blog a couple of weeks ago. Did the social bookmarking and about 100 back links. Now I am seeing google traffic. Go figure
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  • Profile picture of the author druwainwright
    I am currently back linking for my business web site and i have had concerns regarding the sandbox or google slap!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author zackick
      ahh my traffic in my blog is not that good as daily traffic is 4-6 only as i do a lot thing like building backlink. i think i better focus on one method for 30 day to test the result it first. then move on to other method.
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    • Profile picture of the author GavinLively
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      Originally Posted by druwainwright View Post

      I am currently back linking for my business web site and i have had concerns regarding the sandbox or google slap!!!
      Sandbox Schmambox !!!!!!

      I wish people would use a little independent thought and analysis in such matters and stop mindlessly regurgitating spoon fed crap without any objective proof or their own testing, and tracking to prove it for themselves...Jeeeesshhhh

      From my experience the Google "sandbox" as it has been portrayed is COMPLETE FICTION... There is NO objective proof that it exists...

      All that exists is a bunch of people just mindlessly repeating that it exists.

      Focus on quality content, build links, advertise and don't worry about the mythical crap that is out there...

      NUFF SAID

      Gavin
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  • The Google works in mysterious ways, but one thing I can say confidently from experience is that it seems to prefer quality over quantity a lot of times, and if the quality is good, quantity won't hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author GavinLively
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    Andy, James and Marx are dead on...

    Just don't believe the hype...Your site should come back

    Gavin
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I have no idea why people do crazy about Google like this.

    Don't you think something amazing will get thousands of backlinks in a matter of hours and all the popular stuff on the internet gets shared on social networking sites.

    For example, a website was providing free Saints Jerseys on Superbowl Sunday. Wouldn't it get bookmarked by everyone and wouldn't it get shared on Digg, Propeller, twitter etc. And not to mention all the reviews they will get on people's blogs. Does that mean Google will penalize the site.

    Google doesn't love to de-index and penalize sites, they just want to make things better for their users. Just don't make it too complicated and don't make assumption on only one experiment. Experiment this about 10 times and then wait for some time. Then based on the results, draw your conclusions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    While the sandbox itself is undeniable crap, there are a few things to note.

    In my experience if you build a huge amount of back links fast you will cause a larger Google dance.

    The bigger the surge in back links the bigger the dance.....however you certainly aren't hurting your website in anyway.

    Consider when Obama became president and the first big blogs got in on the Google trend, and were added as the examples under Google's "hot topic."

    The blogs listed under the "hot topics" where getting links incredibly fast and were very new. They very quickly appeared at the top of the search results and didn't disappear instantly into obscurity due to being linked to.

    I do advise against creating back links through one method alone using only one anchor text term though, as this looks obviously fake.

    I have noticed the time it takes for Google to finish its dance seems to match the searches. Example:huge searches = very short dance, and low searches = one week wait.
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    • Profile picture of the author xops
      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      In my experience if you build a huge amount of back links fast you will cause a larger Google dance.

      The bigger the surge in back links the bigger the dance.....however you certainly aren't hurting your website in anyway.
      ...
      I do advise against creating back links through one method alone using only one anchor text term though, as this looks obviously fake.

      I have noticed the time it takes for Google to finish its dance seems to match the searches. Example:huge searches = very short dance, and low searches = one week wait.
      I'm still trying to understand the seemingly random wild jumps on Goog for some of my keywords even when I haven't done any backlinking for over 6 weeks. For instance, yesterday I was #23 and today it drops to #96.

      Some days I wonder what's the point since G does any darn thing it wants to anyway. :confused:
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