How would you respond to this type of PLR offer?

by sylviad 29 replies
For several months, I was using a PLR member site that allows you to put together quick reports using batches of articles. You can then offer this report to your list, on your web page, blog, wherever. You can also use any number of articles in various places to promote your business.

The price for this service was $37/month.

Last month, I wasn't using the articles as soon as I expected, so I cancelled. By that time, however, I had already downloaded batches of articles (and other packages) anticipating doing something with them at some point.

Fortunately, I had not distributed any of these bundles or articles across the internet. Fortunate, because after I cancelled my account, the site owner wanted $67 license fee if I wanted to continue using the content I'd already downloaded.

Since I already paid for about 4 months' membership ($148), I didn't feel I should have to pay more to continue using the articles. The choice given me was to pay the additional "license" fee or delete everything I had downloaded, which included anything I might have distributed online. In other words, I'd have to go around and take down the articles anywhere I had posted them, including article directories, other people's sites, etc.

I simply deleted everything. Had I already distributed them, I would have little choice but to pay the extra, which I felt was unfair, considering how much I'd already paid. So in the end, I got nothing for my $148.

This site also offers a Cash for Content. I submitted an article that someone wanted. In exchange, I was to receive one month refund after it was approved and rated. I never received the refund. Putting that article on his site came with restrictions. I no longer have rights to it as it became his property - which he got for $0.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this type of PLR membership site and policy.

Sylvia
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    personally Sylvia

    I'd tell him to either get stuffed or give you your money back

    I definately wouldn't have deleted any of that stuff

    On my memebrship sites, you keep what you paid for

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    In a word, Sylvia, that sucks. OK, two words. PM me the location of this site, if you would, so I can stay well clear. I'm sorry you basically lost $148 for being an honest person. That's truly a shame.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    I think terms like that are complete BS, and it would be interesting to see that tested in court. The owner is basically saying that if you don't intend to pay the monthly fee for life, you might as well not join at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Johnson
    It depends on whether that was part of the original terms and conditions you signed up for. If so, the site owner may be well within his rights to require a license fee. If not, you may be well within your rights to continue using the articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      personally Sylvia

      I'd tell him to either get stuffed or give you your money back

      I definately wouldn't have deleted any of that stuff

      On my memebrship sites, you keep what you paid for

      Kim
      Actually, I cancelled my membership about 10 days after I'd paid the next month. As soon as I cancelled, I shut me out of the site so I asked for a refund for that last month, since I no longer had access. He didn't even answer my email.

      Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

      I think terms like that are complete BS, and it would be interesting to see that tested in court. The owner is basically saying that if you don't intend to pay the monthly fee for life, you might as well not join at all.
      That's "exactly" what he's saying. I couldn't believe what I was reading. That's ludicrous. Who's going to stay a member for life?

      Originally Posted by Anna Johnson View Post

      It depends on whether that was part of the original terms and conditions you signed up for. If so, the site owner may be well within his rights to require a license fee. If not, you may be well within your rights to continue using the articles.
      I didn't notice anything like that in the terms, although I might have missed it. The demands he came up with were a shock, to say the least, since it seems unfair. What DID I get for my money? Can you sell a PLR service like that and then order users to take it all back down?

      What was more shocking is that the owner of this relatively new site (about 2 years or so old) has been around awhile. I've enjoyed reading many of his articles/emails and considered him a good guy with lots of valuable advice to share. I signed on because I trusted him.

      He also runs another site where you can get mini-sites created from his templates. It was from this site that I joined the other one because I could use the content in the sites I created. His true self started to show through when I was having problems with this automated system and asked for help. I cancelled the site creation membership because of that attitude.

      What puzzles me is why he would have such a strict policy for the PLR site and whether this is actually a viable method of doing business. Surely, he will lose customers and credibility down the road.

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      Originally Posted by Anna Johnson View Post

      It depends on whether that was part of the original terms and conditions you signed up for. If so, the site owner may be well within his rights to require a license fee. If not, you may be well within your rights to continue using the articles.
      I totally agree with this. But if I paid for something I must get it and use it according to the rights. That is nonsense that I paid for nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Hi Big Mike,

      Thanks for your input.

      He has it right in his terms that you are not guaranteed to get paid for the article. It all depends on whether he deems it fit for payment based on how popular he thinks it will be. The person who put in the request for the article gave it a 5 star rating, but that doesn't count, apparently. Whether he pays has to do with his own rating, not how his members rate it. So if 20 people give it a 5 star, he doesn't care? Stupid, if you ask me.

      As it stands, that one article was specific to one person's needs and I don't really need it. It's the principle of the issue. Believe me, if I see an opportunity, I will darned well be using that article. I'm not about to be bullied by people like BW.

      Still, the logic of his approach baffles me. I understood that by allowing you to take the articles and use them to promote your business you are getting the rights to use them in this manner. What he's implying is that he gives you rights, but takes them away again if you don't pay more or stay a member. :rolleyes:

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      • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
        Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

        Hi Big Mike,

        He has it right in his terms that you are not guaranteed to get paid for the article. It all depends on whether he deems it fit for payment based on how popular he thinks it will be.

        Sylvia

        Sylvia: If he used your article, then he must have deemed it fit, and you should be paid, or he should quit using it and remove it from anywhere it has been placed. I also feel you should be entitled to use what you have already paid for.

        I would call Paypal or my credit card comapny, or whomever you paid your membership fee to, and ask for a refund before the 60 day cutoff is reached. You may be able to at least get you last 2 payments refunded.

        Good luck.

        Dixie
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Originally Posted by primuskannan View Post

          But this jerk is having his cake and eating it too, not only has he swallowed the membership amount but the one sided TOS strips off the customer/consumer without the recourse to redressal. I am sure the legal eagles would have something to say about this.

          But thanks sylvia for warning about the shady tos practice.

          What about lazy bones like me who have no idea of where my content lies in the hazy depths of the cyber space or if it is indexed by google.
          I do not have access to google's servers so I cannot delete that content.

          Kulasekaran.
          That's why his policy is so ridiculous. I'm sure lots of people don't keep such close tabs on where they post any of the PLR they get. You are right, the TOS are definitely one sided in his favor. So what did I get for my money? A chance to read through his site? Obviously I was there for more than a read.

          Originally Posted by Chris Monty View Post

          That really makes no sense whatsoever. You've paid for what you've paid for. End of story.

          I hope you tell him to get bent.
          Yes, well he tends to ignore emails he doesn't like, apparently.

          Originally Posted by Dixiebelle View Post

          Sylvia: If he used your article, then he must have deemed it fit, and you should be paid, or he should quit using it and remove it from anywhere it has been placed. I also feel you should be entitled to use what you have already paid for.

          I would call Paypal or my credit card comapny, or whomever you paid your membership fee to, and ask for a refund before the 60 day cutoff is reached. You may be able to at least get you last 2 payments refunded.

          Good luck.

          Dixie
          Thanks, Dixie. I forgot about claiming a refund through PayPal (Gettin' old, doncha know.)

          He might be able to use some legal loophole in his favor. He's likely to suggest that since I did have use of those articles to promote my business, I did benefit from them in exchange for the money I paid. (Except I never did use any of the articles because he demanded I delete them immediately on cancellation.) It's probably the same policy for his oneminutesites... which I didn't read very closely... Maybe he doesn't let me use the sites I created there, either, since I cancelled that membership, too.

          Whooops! Did I let that slip? Guess you know where to find him now!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jess Hartley
    It's too much of a coincidence for us not to be talking about the same site - I've had a similar experience with articles I submitted there. I never received the account credit - even though they were always rated with 5 stars. It was all very disappointing.

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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Hi Jess,

      I'm sure we aren't the only ones duped by his concept of doing business.

      If I remember rightly, there are threads here that discussed his business when he first started it. At the time, the thread was irrelevant to me but I do remember scanning some negative stuff. Being one to give everyone a chance regardless of rumour, I'm thinking now that maybe I should go back and take a closer look at the feedback people were giving. That would be on the old forum, and I'm not sure how to get there from here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave OSullivan
    Sylvia,

    You can use the The Warrior Forum link to access old threads.

    Dave.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Thanks, Dave.

      Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have a search feature ?!
      All the links take me back to this forum. When I search for
      this particular title, it comes back no results. With 1368 pages
      in the old forum, I'm not up to looking manually.

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      • Profile picture of the author TedMarlett
        Sylvia,

        Sorry to hear this. Seems like the guy is running a scam shop.

        I would print out any TOS for sites I do business with, that way I aways know if they change and if they do change I can make a decision on what I want to do.

        It seems like if a person becomes a member of a site they should fall under the TOS they originally signed in under.

        Didn't he put the "rights" for the articles on his site so everyone knew what they were getting? Was it really spelled out that if you left the membership site that you had to delete everything?

        He seems like a not-so-good-person to do anything with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete223
    Hi Sylvia, glad I found your thread today...

    I was looking into a service that seems very
    similar to what you are describing here...

    The guy is really "muffing" that one up...

    I'm sure if the guy would of let you cancel
    your subscription without the hassle, maybe
    he could of seen you as a member some time
    again in the future... or maybe you would
    consider something else he ever came up with...

    At least he could email you about a future
    product/service... because, I'm no psychic,
    but I would bet that you un-subscribed from
    anything this guy sent you !!!

    And all that to make a one time $67...

    Very poor business practice!

    Regards, Pete
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by TedMarlett View Post

      ...Didn't he put the "rights" for the articles on his site so everyone knew what they were getting? Was it really spelled out that if you left the membership site that you had to delete everything?

      He seems like a not-so-good-person to do anything with.
      It was 4 months ago that I signed up and at this point I can't recall what the terms were. I sense there was something that caught my attention, but can't recall what it was now. Most likely I felt that it either referred to something else or it didn't apply to my situation. Mostly, I wanted the articles / materials strictly as background material and personal interest. Many of the bundles had perhaps 1-2 items that were things I'd want to follow up or read out of fascination -- like one bundle was about classic cars. I have no intention of doing anything businesswise on that topic. It was just of interest. Everything I downloaded would have been totally rewritten and added to, resulting in a wholly unrecognizable product.

      But then he said that legally I couldn't keep anything on my computer from his site. Can't recall seeing that, specifically, in the terms.

      That's a good idea, though, printing out the TOS for future reference. For all I know, he could have changed them since I signed up.

      Originally Posted by Pete223 View Post

      Hi Sylvia, glad I found your thread today...

      I was looking into a service that seems very
      similar to what you are describing here...

      The guy is really "muffing" that one up...

      I'm sure if the guy would of let you cancel
      your subscription without the hassle, maybe
      he could of seen you as a member some time
      again in the future... or maybe you would
      consider something else he ever came up with...

      At least he could email you about a future
      product/service... because, I'm no psychic,
      but I would bet that you un-subscribed from
      anything this guy sent you !!!

      And all that to make a one time $67...

      Very poor business practice!

      Regards, Pete
      You are exactly right, Pete. I cancelled all my connections with him - subscriptions, memberships. As far as I'm concerned, he no longer exists. I'll never buy from him again because I no longer trust him or his methods. Even if they are legitimate.

      I don't know if it's his site or someone else's, but I read somewhere that people who cancelled could not rejoin. Wouldn't surprise me if it were his.

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      • Profile picture of the author TedMarlett
        Sylvia,

        Sylvia: Everything I downloaded would have been totally rewritten and added to, resulting in a wholly unrecognizable product.

        But then he said that legally I couldn't keep anything on my computer from his site.
        How would he know if you still had them on your computer? Then all you would have had to do is rewrite them and he would have been none the wiser about them. You did "pay" for them by being a member of his site.

        Anyway, It appears to be all over now.

        I have been thinking seriously of starting up a PLR site of my own. I surely would not have anything quite like this for my TOS.
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        • Profile picture of the author BerkleyStreet
          I know the exact sites you are referring to. I have been a member of both. I cancelled serveral months ago. I believe it was to join his "new" site at the time. I actually paid the $67 to continue using the content because i had been paying for several months and I just couldn't see letting that much info go.

          He did try to convince me to write articles in exchange for "free" months when I tried to cancel. If I could write my own articles, I wouldn't need the service lol.

          One of the things that bothered me is that if you joined tonight, you would "own" the same amount of articles that I had been paying many months for. New members have access to all of the previous months material. That is what ticks me off. Although he may have added that "usage fee" to prevent those folks who would "hit and run".
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Originally Posted by TedMarlett View Post

          Sylvia,

          How would he know if you still had them on your computer? Then all you would have had to do is rewrite them and he would have been none the wiser about them. You did "pay" for them by being a member of his site.

          Anyway, It appears to be all over now.

          I have been thinking seriously of starting up a PLR site of my own. I surely would not have anything quite like this for my TOS.
          That's the thing. He wouldn't know if my final product came from his original content. Just like he can't prove whether I did, or did not, delete all his stuff.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ronnie Nijmeh
    Yikes... that's horrible. I can't believe people are so evil. It reminds me of those stupid "time share" holiday scams... once they get you in, you either have to pay up or lose everything.

    I'd never stoop this low with my PLR membership. You get to keep what you pay for, it's only fair!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    I could see limiting the number of articles you could continue to use by the number of months you subscribed. But not this type of crap.

    sylviad,

    Can you PM me the site. I want to point out the TOS to all of my subscribers so they don't fall for this type of ???????.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Sylvia, being a paid member for 4 months entitles you to review that membership site in the Warrior Review section. You would be breaking NO rules by telling us your experience as a member with them from sign-up to cancellation.

    I hope you will post your comments there for all of us interested in your review, and so others can comment on their experience too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Sylvia, being a paid member for 4 months
      entitles to review that membership site in the Warrior Review
      section. You would be breaking NO rules by telling us your experience
      as a member with them from sign-up to cancellation.

      I hope you will post your comments there for all of us interested
      in your review, and so others can comment on their experience
      too.
      Hey Sylvia,

      I agree with John....post a review of your experiences....it
      will certainly help other Warriors...

      Regards

      Greg
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

        Hey Sylvia,

        I agree with John....post a review of your experiences....it
        will certainly help other Warriors...

        Regards

        Greg
        Good idea, John and Greg. My concern is getting "attacked" for some perceived libel (justified or not) - this guy is such a jerk I wouldn't want to have the hassles, to be honest. Since posting this thread, I have re-read his TOS which do, in fact, state that all material must be deleted if you cancel membership or have it terminated by admin.

        My warning to anyone who might think of joining this or any such site, be sure to read the TOS. In this case, pay special attention to the Termination and Cash for Content sections.

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        • Profile picture of the author primuskannan
          My warning to anyone who might think of joining this or any such site, be sure to read the TOS. In this case, pay special attention to the Termination and Cash for Content sections.

          Sylvia

          But this jerk is having his cake and eating it too, not only has he swallowed the membership amount but the one sided TOS strips off the customer/consumer without the recourse to redressal. I am sure the legal eagles would have something to say about this.

          But thanks sylvia for warning about the shady tos practice.

          What about lazy bones like me who have no idea of where my content lies in the hazy depths of the cyber space or if it is indexed by google.
          I do not have access to google's servers so I cannot delete that content.

          Kulasekaran.
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  • Profile picture of the author PRandContent
    Sylvia,

    I'm so sorry to hear this! Looks like the site owner is a total scumbag for duping honest people like you!

    How I wish I would know which site is this so I will never ever deal with such a horrible person!
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      Originally Posted by PRandContent View Post

      Sylvia,

      I'm so sorry to hear this! Looks like the site owner is a total scumbag for duping honest people like you!

      How I wish I would know which site is this so I will never ever deal with such a horrible person!
      I think with a little searcing you'll already find what you'd like to know here in the forum.

      Choose Tag Search from the Search menu and search for the three letter acronym this post is about. I won't say more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tuzic
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    hi,

    its not fair u should always get what you pay for, i would dispute this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Monty
    That really makes no sense whatsoever. You've paid for what you've paid for. End of story.

    I hope you tell him to get bent.
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