Duplicate Content/Article a myth?

Allen Graves

14 years ago

I vote for "Myth."

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adamv 14 years ago

I vote for reading the other dozen discussions that pop up about this very subject every week.
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- affilcrazy 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by adamv
  
  I vote for reading the other dozen discussions that pop up about this very subject every week.
  
  I vote that this should turn into another testosterone-filled thread, pretty much like the other 3 i have read in the last 24 hours!
  
  Amongst all the in-fighting and jostling for superiority i actually came across some pretty useful information and suggestions in the previous threads on this subject. So rather than starting another, why not use the search function!
  
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14 years ago

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scrofford

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

Any time now you should start getting a flood of people who are going to use article syndication as proof that duplicate content is a myth.

Please don't be fooled or misled and do your own research into this.

Also, they will present videos with a Google employee explaining URL "canonicalization" as an absolute answer to state that it is a myth.

Again, this is either a ploy on the part of those who have something to gain (service or products that rely on you believing that no harm will come to you in any way shape or form) or they do not comprehend the difference between URL canonicalization and duplicate content.

Or too lazy to research themselves so they continue to spout disinformation ignorantly.

The bottom line is this, you know, I know, and they know that Google has and will continue to drop people from their engine.

Ask yourself "did those sites get de-indexed (removed from a listing that they had) because some other site had better backlinks"? "Did my site get removed because my quality was not as good"?

Before you get caught up in a rush of bad information pawned off as proof look into it yourself. Do your homework.

Otherwise, you too could be coming in here after many hours of blood sweat and tears over a site that gets axed and when you come back and ask "what happened", they are going to tell you that it was 100 % NOT duplicate content because they say it is a myth.

If there is any chance at all, no matter how rare or slight that you in fact were dropped because Google thought you had duplicate content issues, you will never know if you accept the "myth" argument.

I have NEVER been dropped for duplicate content! It is a complete myth IMHO. I also know of others who have never had that problem. I have put the same article on my site and then on Ezinearticles and then on Article Base and Never have had an issue. Could it possibly be quality that causes the axe instead of duplicate content?

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

I have NEVER been dropped for duplicate content!...Could it possibly be quality that causes the axe instead of duplicate content?

I have never been thrown out of McDonald's and I personally don't know anyone who has ever been thrown out of McDonald's. Therefore I believe that nobody can be thrown out of McDonald's.

I have put the same article on my site and then on Ezinearticles and then on Article Base

That is called "syndication". That is not "duplicate content".

How many search engines can detect and understand the difference between "high quality", "good quality", and "bad quality" content?

How do they do that? What is the measure or method they use to determine the value of the quality?

What do they view as "bad quality"? Can you give me an example please?

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I have never been thrown out of McDonald's and I personally don't know anyone who has ever been thrown out of McDonald's. Therefore I believe that one can not be thrown out of McDonald's.

That is called "syndication". That is not "duplicate content".

How many search engines can detect and understand the difference between "high quality", "good quality", and "bad quality" content?

How do they do that? What is the measure or method they use to determine the value of the quality?

What do they view as "bad quality"? Can you give me an example please?

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I don't know when people will stop talking about logical aspects in "the expert" attitude while they don't know what they are talking about

I go crazy every time I read a post claiming "duplicate content is a myth"

And for those talking about publishing the same content on different sites,

The important question is, how many of these syndications are considered by Google and show up high in the search ranking??

Google will never penalize you for publishing the same content over and over, because again for the millionth time, Google doesn't penalize a site for external factors..

But, what matters is that "Do these submissions do your site any good?"

Does Sending the same article to 1000 article directories really help your site ranking?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And this is in the face of those who are still promoting this idea...

If Google finds the same exact content over and over again, it "devalues" this content, and will never reward any of these submissions with a high ranking..

On the contrary, if you just made a moderate rework on your article, make 3 or 5 unique copies, and submit it to the top 3-5 article directories, you'll see much better results than when you submit the same exact article 1000 times

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jaiganeshv

14 years ago

I still think Google accepts it for the sake of us

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14 years ago

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Istvan Horvath 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

Remember there is a difference between "syndication" and "duplicate content"

The sad thing is that 99% of the posters in the duplicate content threads are referring, actually, to syndication... that's how the whole confusion is created.
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DogScout

14 years ago

whether a myth or if it does have basis in fact, is almost irrelevant unless you are too lazy to make unique content and avoid the argument in the first place. And even if proved to be a myth today, no one can predict what Google of the other SEs will do in the future. Do as thy will and let the chips land where they will.:p

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keivn2

I am asking this because I am planning to submit the same articles to other directories but at the same time, I kinda afraid that if all the effort I put goes in vain.

What I've found to give the best results when manually doing this is to do a minor rewrite using different keyworded titles and only submit to a few top level directories. I want to make sure the article is very good quality because I want people to syndicate the article out to their site. The big bonus so far as the SEO effect goes is the article(s) appearing on 100's of different blogs and aggregation sites all over the Internet, much like a popular news article gets distributed to 100's of local newspaper sites.

I've found that blasting a low quality spun article out to 100's of article directories doesn't work that well. It's not because of 'duplicate content' but because many lower tiered don't get spidered at all or simply are dead and don't publish articles.

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Heuristic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keivn2

I am apologized if this kind of discussion had been brought up a lot of time in the past...but I'm not really sure this is just a myth or a real deal. So I would like to see some confirmation about this "myth"

I am asking this because I am planning to submit the same articles to other directories but at the same time, I kinda afraid that if all the effort I put goes in vain.

Since I don't have any software or program like article spinning and etc, this answer for this thread indeed important to me.

Why not just test it for yourself? It won't take long to post identical articles to some of the top sites.

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Mark, this is one of the Google blogs from Google.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

Look at the first two or three paragraphs and tell me what you think is going on over at Google?

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

She says

Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty."

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There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site

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if you republish content without adding any additional value.

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Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

finally down at the bottom of the page

but unless you've been duplicating deliberately, it's unlikely that one of those ways will be a penalty

unlikely that one of those will be a penalty

I thought up at the top of the same page she said

There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty."

but then she finishes with saying

unlikely that one of those will be a penalty

So they themselves are creating some of the confusion.

But, if you go back to the top of the page and look at this line

There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.

This indicates to me that there is a kind of a penalty if you use duplicate content in the way she has laid out here

if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged)

So I would say that there are some negative consequences that can happen to your site, including being removed as they talk about on their Webmaster Page.

Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

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yukinari84 14 years ago

If you are not posting the same content on your own site, then you don't really have to worry.

You can post the same content across multiple sites and have the content stick. You can even get multiple listings in Google for doing this. I would change it up every 5- 10 sites or so.

With that, the results can be temporary, so I would definitely recommend that invest in a good rewriting software as soon as you can afford it.
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silvervixen

14 years ago

Here's my take-away from the Google video and the article: don't create similar web pages across your site or create similar sites with the exact same information.

It does not mean anything when it comes to publishing articles...if that were the case then no one would use content from the article directories. There would be no reason for the article directories to exist.

I also want to say something about spinning: isn't spinning an attempt to fool Google into thinking your article is unique, even though it clearly is not?

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yukinari84 14 years ago

Originally Posted by silvervixen

I also want to say something about spinning: isn't spinning an attempt to fool Google into thinking your article is unique, even though it clearly is not?

If you just change a few words here and there, then you won't get results anyways.

The best way to spin is to rewrite whole sentences and/or paragraphs, and then add synonyms in.

Although your articles may say the same thing, you are saying it in a completely different way.
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- Lee Wilson 14 years ago
  
  It amazes me how the same argument can come up over and over when it's so incredibly easy to test for youreslf and get the guaranteed answer. Here's the simple answer for those that can't be bothered.
  
  1. Duplicate content will not harm your site
  
  2. Duplicate content will get filtered
  
  3. The duplicate content filter isn't fixed. The one that shows up in the serps doesn't get infinite priority.
  
  4. You can steal the one at the top of the serps, and make it yours, in turn that one get's filtered.
  
  5. Duplicate content can be used in ways to get your site banned. So can many many other things. This has nothing to do with point number 1.
  
  6. Google's automated checkers can get it wrong and ban an otherwise honest site with or without duplicated content. This also has nothing to do with point number 1.
  
  7. Wordpress, Vbulletin and many other forums, CMS's etc fill your site with duplicate content by default. This does not harm your site but can harm your conversions. This has nothing to do with point number 1.
  
  I could go on but I doubt it will achieve anything other than create more argument.
  
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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

It is a myth... No matter what some so called expert tries to tell you... Many of us have tested this day in and day out. Syndication of your articles to article directories is normal just like syndicated new and syndicated press releases.

Do you think press releases or news is "Spun" to avoid some so called dup content penalty ?? No they are not, the same press release is posted on hundreds if not thousands of blogs, news sites, media sites, and etc...

Articles are no different...

Now with that said I will give this warning.. While I agree you should be posting your content to thousands of places you also need to be careful here and it has nothing to do with the myth of dup content.

The reason why you need to be careful is because if you submit to 300 article directories, you have to keep one thing in mind. Out of those 300 probably 250 will be out of business by the end of this year.

The reason being is because technology is upgrading and many of these adsense farms will not be able to afford to upgrade or they will not be able to due to using a unsupported free open source script. Many changes are coming in the way how websites are viewed and work and if these sites do not upgrade their coding then they will have no choice but to go out of business because their sites will not longer work properly.

So with that in mind just remember those 300 or so sites may be here today, it does not mean they will be here tomorrow.

The article directories that will survive are those that custom build their sites, those that do put money into development, those that spend money on keeping up with technology... The low level article directories that are slapped up just for the purpose of the owner to get adsense clicks, 99% of them will not survive.

James

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14 years ago

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

But I'm not attacking the article syndication business. I'm trying to get to the bottom of the duplicate content debate.

Actually, to put it bluntly, you are trying to wave your who-dilly around.

Joking!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness, mate, we can all prove you wrong, the same with that goldmind123 bloke who thinks it is perfectly OK to violate trademark copyright and use "amazon kindle store" as a domain name.

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Matt Bard 14 years ago

[QUOTE=skyfox7;1727269we can all prove you wrong, [/QUOTE]

LOL,

Ok have at it. First what are you going to prove? That it's ok to submit your article to several directories and not be penalized for it?

I agree. Again, I'm not arguing any article syndication points. I don't have a problem with article syndication.

My point has always been about duplicate content and I just proved it above.

For anyone that wants proof just answer the questions above, then go to Google and see what they say about why the site was removed.

No it has nothing to do with article syndication.
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- AffiliateJ 14 years ago
  
  I understood syndication is ok but using the same content across the board and then expecting good SEO results is not great practice.
  
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Heuristic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Actually, to put it bluntly, you are trying to wave your who-dilly around.

Joking!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness, mate, we can all prove you wrong, the same with that goldmind123 bloke who thinks it is perfectly OK to violate trademark copyright and use "amazon kindle store" as a domain name.

Also waiting for proof...

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Actually, to put it bluntly, you are trying to wave your who-dilly around.

Joking!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness, mate, we can all prove you wrong, the same with that goldmind123 bloke who thinks it is perfectly OK to violate trademark copyright and use "amazon kindle store" as a domain name.

Why you're pointing another discussion happened on another thread here?

to just throw dust on what I say???

And BTY, before you mention something, at least read it thoroughly before judging it, it's not my fault if you mistakenly understood what I said regarding the kindle issue, I never said it's ok to register "Amazon Kindle" as a domain, it was a whole discussion about the trademarks for commonly used words issue,

Back to this thread subject:

when I see people just throw their own theories as facts to newbies, I can't keep quite..

If you spend a little time to read what I said, you'll discover that:

-I said there's no penalty for duplicate content, and highlighted the fact that Google will never penalize your site for EXTERNAL factors.

-On the other hand, you won't be rewarded for submitting the same content at 1000 places, simply, Google Robots are smarter than what you think, and a non worthy content on 1000 places can be easily distinguished as backlinking abuse, and will never be considered valuable, and most of what you submit will be a waste of time.

-I gave another scenario I believe from experience and years of learning on SEO subject, where you focus on submitting your content to worthy directories which are not more than 3-5, try to make your content different, and you'll get better results than following the advice of mass submission.

-Finally, I read very weird things here:

-Google can't determine good content from bad content

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What? a company spending billions to upgrade their algorithm every minute can't determine Good from Bad content???

Last, even if you believe what I am saying is wrong, there's a better and more polite ways to express this...

Enough said...

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Can you provide proof on your "opinions" .. ??

Fact .. Syndication is normal and yes it helps more than you think. Fact duplicate articles do get listings in search engines.. Fact there are more than 3 - 5 worthy article directories.

Gee I wonder why I paid $200 for a useless press release to be splattered on hundreds of sites that does no good ... Wow I guess the new members I got and the several media contacts that I am discussing business with right now was all made up in my mind ..

James

Originally Posted by goldmind123

-On the other hand, you won't be rewarded for submitting the same content at 1000 places, simply, Google Robots are smarter than what you think, and a non worthy content on 1000 places can be easily distinguished as backlinking abuse, and will never be considered valuable, and most of what you submit will be a waste of time.

-I gave another scenario I believe from experience and years of learning on SEO subject, where you focus on submitting your content to worthy directories which are not more than 3-5, try to make your content different, and you'll get better results than following the advice of mass submission.

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Can you provide proof on your "opinions" .. ??

Fact .. Syndication is normal and yes it helps more than you think. Fact duplicate articles do get listings in search engines.. Fact there are more than 3 - 5 worthy article directories.

Gee I wonder why I paid $200 for a useless press release to be splattered on hundreds of sites that does no good ... Wow I guess the new members I got and the several media contacts that I am discussing business with right now was all made up in my mind ..

James

Well, I guess this is turning to be "personal" more than a useful discussion..

You're trying to defend your own services, and I am not interested to prove that they either worthy or not..

And insisting to insert press releases into the conflict is also misleading...

a syndicated "press release" isn't the same as a massively submitted article..
And the trial to represent Google as being just a big dump that can be easily fooled with a bunch of poorly distributed backlinks is also misleading...
How many people see real results with mass article submissions?

How many sites keep real high ranking by submitting the same content over and over again?

I am out of this discussion because it just turned to be a "self defense" discussion, wishing that newbies who come through this discussion will make their due diligence and read enough before they choose to believe any theory

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

Originally Posted by goldmind123

...you won't be rewarded for submitting the same content at 1000 places, simply, Google Robots are smarter than what you think, and a non worthy content on 1000 places can be easily distinguished as backlinking abuse, and will never be considered valuable, and most of what you submit will be a waste of time.

That's great information.

I am just wondering, though. Do you know this because you helped develop Google's latest algorithms or are you just good friends with their top engineers????

I'm just sayin'

Allen

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

That's great information.

I am just wondering, though. Do you know this because you helped develop Google's latest algorithms or are you just good friends with their top engineers????

I'm just sayin'

Allen

No.. I am actually busted..

I've just faked all of this, the truth is

Google is a bunch of idiots, and their robot is just a dumb troll that was developed by an engineering school dropped out loser..

People, keep spend your money on article spinners, article submitters, and all paid article services offered by big posters here...

This is the only way you'll ever manage to fool dump G.

Just syndicate your plr spun article to 10000000 article directories and you're all done with SEO, just sit and wait for the golden egg from the fairy goose...

I'm sorry I was such a "jerk"

Enough said..no more comments...

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Do you believe that a site can be removed from Google because another site has more backlinks?

Do you believe that Google can tell the difference between good quality content and bad?

If you answered no to those questions then the third question is why would a site be removed from the listings in Google?

If you came up with an answer or answers to the third question then can they (your reasons for a site being removed) can be found in the Google Webmaster's Page.

What does the Google Webmaster Page say about your answer?

Does the answer you find there have anything to do with Article Syndication or does it address Duplicate Content?

For everyone that has already done tests with this subject as they say, then you know your results. Take your results and apply them to my very last question.

Does Google say the site was removed because it had anything to do with syndication or was it removed because of duplicate content?

You have your proof.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Matt,
This thread is about "I am asking this because I am planning to submit the same articles to other directories but at the same time, I kinda afraid that if all the effort I put goes in vain."

In other words - Articles and Syndication .... Thus because the OP has a question directly related to Articles and Syndication then the answer is plain and simple and has been proven a million times over. No dup content penalty does not exist and you can in fact submit your same exact (which is a duplicate) article to 1,000 article directories if you do so desire.

This thread is about nothing else but the same article (which is duplicated) being submitted to other article directories.

James

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Colin Palfrey

14 years ago

Here is the truth proven through long testing, and no its not opinion.

1. Google initially index all new content but after discovering it is duplicate put it in the supplemental index.

2. You don't get any bad effects from this it is just not in the search results any more.

3. Yes you do still get link juice if the link is in the middle of duplicate content, they just show the earliest or highest PR version in the index

4. If you add a 50,000 duplicate post on your blog that previously had a 500 word original post on it, within a week Google will see your blog as 500 words of content.

5. They don't penalize for duplicate content but they also don't reward you for it

These things I have found out through long hours of extensive testing and are 100% true.

My 2c

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

So James, if someone is asking the question you stated above about syndication, then why can't you or anyone else for that matter just say "yes" "Of course you can do that".

Instead, you are the one that each and every time have to throw the subject of "duplicate content" out there and state confidently that there is no such thing.

Then I get pissed and try to do damage control on the duplicate content myth and straighten it out.

If I always told folks that they should not submit articles and that article syndication was bad for them and that they would get dropped for submitting articles...then I would expect you to get upset. Because it is a bunch of hogwash.

I have never done that. I have never told anyone at anytime there was a problem with article syndication or there is a problem with submitting articles to directories.

I have never said that people should not use your services. I have never suggested that people were idiots for having anything to do with article marketing, article syndication, rewriting, spinners... I own Big Mike's Content Mania along with ArticleBot.

I myself use article marketing. I agree with almost everything you have said on the subject except the fact that Article Syndication and Duplicate Content are two different things.

If someone is relying on getting a good Google ranking to pay the rent (however dumb you and I and everyone else might think) I owe it to them to clear this up so they don't get screwed.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

So James, if someone is asking the question you stated above about syndication, then why can't you or anyone else for that matter just say "yes" "Of course you can do that".

Instead, you are the one that each and every time have to throw the subject of "duplicate content" out there and state confidently that there is no such thing.

Then I get pissed and try to do damage control on the duplicate content myth and straighten it out.

If I always told folks that they should not submit articles and that article syndication was bad for them and that they would get dropped for submitting articles...then I would expect you to get upset. Because it is a bunch of hogwash.

I have never done that. I have never told anyone at anytime there was a problem with article syndication or there is a problem with submitting articles to directories.

I have never said that people should not use your services. I have never suggested that people were idiots for having anything to do with article marketing, article syndication, rewriting, spinners... I own Big Mike's Content Mania along with ArticleBot.

I myself use article marketing. I agree with almost everything you have said on the subject except the fact that Article Syndication and Duplicate Content are two different things.

If someone is relying on getting a good Google ranking to pay the rent (however dumb you and I and everyone else might think) I owe it to them to clear this up so they don't get screwed.

Translation you are trying to wave your who-dilly around as you are trying to state your OPINION as fact when it is NOT.

You say there is nothing wrong with syndication but then say that it is duplicate content and wrong.

Make up your mind dude.

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

You say there is nothing wrong with syndication but then say that it is duplicate content and wrong.

Make up your mind dude.

I never said that article syndication is duplicate content. Never.

A lot of other people here and in other threads have. They have made the assumption that if syndication is fine and syndication is the same as duplicate content then duplicate content must be fine.

But I never said that. Go find the post that I said that in. I would like to see what you are talking about.

Dude.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I never said that article syndication is duplicate content. Never.

Lets have a look:

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I myself use article marketing. I agree with almost everything you have said on the subject except the fact that Article Syndication and Duplicate Content are two different things.

So they are different then?

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

A lot of other people here and in other threads have. They have made the assumption that if syndication is fine and syndication is the same as duplicate content then duplicate content must be fine.

But I never said that. Go find the post that I said that in. I would like to see what you are talking about.

Dude.

Mate, you are the one saying that people will be penalized or suffer from using rewritten articles and the like even though this duplicate content myth has been debunked many times.

Google has even stated the de-indexing is RARE and only happens if they deem your website as trying to MANIPULATE the search engine results.

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Matt Bard 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Mate, you are the one saying that people will be penalized or suffer from using rewritten articles...

Where did I say that you will be penalized for rewriting an article?

I have never said that. But, if you believe that there is no difference then you are seeing something in my words that is not there.

I have never told anyone at any time that if you rewrite an article you will be penalized for it.

And you didn't show that with your quotes above either.

I don't know what your quotes were trying to say to be honest with you.
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Matt Bard 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Google has even stated the de-indexing is RARE and only happens if they deem your website as trying to MANIPULATE the search engine results.

Exactly!

And what would an example of that be? The color blue?
So if I have too many same colors on my site they will take it down?

Too many outbound links? How many links on my site before they take it down?

What about visitors, is there a minimum number of visitors that you have to have in order for Google to keep you from getting axed?

What is it? What would get your site removed from Google?

If you can answer that question then you have my proof.
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Lee Wilson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I never said that article syndication is duplicate content. Never.

A lot of other people here and in other threads have. They have made the assumption that if syndication is fine and syndication is the same as duplicate content then duplicate content must be fine.

But I never said that. Go find the post that I said that in. I would like to see what you are talking about.

Dude.

Most arguments in most forums are centred around misinterpretation and very few people actually reading through the replys before commenting. Matt, I'm sure you have a point somewhere but you're not doing a very good job of putting the message over. Yes people do make the assumption that syndication and duplicate content are the same thing, why? because they are. Like I said earlier, it's how it is used that makes it a problem, that does not make it a problem in itself.

You need to clarify your point without perpetuating the myth yourself. A quick read through your posts will make anybody think you are saying that duplicate content can penalise you. True in some circumstances but this is not the way to put the message across because it isn't accurate and it adds fuel to the fire. It's how the duplicate content is used that can cause problems. In this case however, duplicate content becomes the method used to manipulate search engines, it's the manipulation that is the problem, not the content. Those two are very different and it's not restricted to duplicate content. It can apply to anything else that would normally be considered white hat.

This argument is a little bit like saying websites can ge banned from the search engines, therefore don't have a website! for some reason, people will think that's a stupid statement, yet it's exactly the same as what's being bandied about here.

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Matt Bard 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

Translation you are trying to wave your who-dilly around as you are trying to state your OPINION as fact when it is NOT.

It's not my opinion. It's Google's Terms Of Service

For two days I have been trying to send people over to read what Google says about it. Instead they go get a video of a Google employee explaining the difference between canonicalization. Which is talking about

www.yoursite.com vs. yoursite.com

So people choose to go grab that video and use that to explain away the duplicate content penalty.

There are several types of duplicate content (according to Google, not me) and the different URLs being the same is one type.

Having multiple posts in a blog that are the same is another type of duplicate content they talk about. They say that the blog stuff is ok too.

But one of the types of duplicate content that Google talks about in several Google pages, talks about the kind of duplicate content that can get your site removed.

For some reason, most of the folks here just do not want to read or even think about that stuff.

I guess it is better to keep blinders on.
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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Matt,
The same article posted over and over is in fact duplicate content.. It is exactly the same content. Set aside the syndication for a minute..

If I post on my blog this awesome information about XYZ Technology and many others find this information wonderful and helpful. They decide that others could benefit from this info.

So they do 2 things ..

1. They decide to bookmark the blog post, many sites auto fill in the title, url, and description when you go to bookmark something from your browser. So let's say 1,000 people bookmark this blog post using 10 different bookmarking sites.

Some sites will not allow dup bookmarks but many still do. So let's just assume they use the ones that do. Now we have 1,000 bookmarks with a 400 character description with the same title posted 100 times on the same exact site with a different username.

Well for one thing google could care less who the user is. So we have just created duplicate content on these 10 sites 100 times each. Do you think my blog post will suffer or get de-indexed because people want to share my great post ???

I will answer that for you because I already know for a fact that my blog post will not suffer but increase in rankings.

Now option #2 ... Same thing only these people do a postback on their blog which uses the same exact description thus creating duplicate post on 1,000 blogs. Do you honestly thing my blog or their blog will suffer because of this duplicate content ???

I will answer that for you also because again I know for a fact that none of the blogs will suffer but increase in rankings.

The fact is the above is duplicated content, there is no other word for it and it is also a fact that it is done by millions of sites every single day. If there was a penalty for this then google search results would suffer greatly and they would ruin their so called user experience that they always talk so highly of..

James

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

So James, if someone is asking the question you stated above about syndication, then why can't you or anyone else for that matter just say "yes" "Of course you can do that".

Instead, you are the one that each and every time have to throw the subject of "duplicate content" out there and state confidently that there is no such thing.

Then I get pissed and try to do damage control on the duplicate content myth and straighten it out.

If I always told folks that they should not submit articles and that article syndication was bad for them and that they would get dropped for submitting articles...then I would expect you to get upset. Because it is a bunch of hogwash.

I have never done that. I have never told anyone at anytime there was a problem with article syndication or there is a problem with submitting articles to directories.

I have never said that people should not use your services. I have never suggested that people were idiots for having anything to do with article marketing, article syndication, rewriting, spinners... I own Big Mike's Content Mania along with ArticleBot.

I myself use article marketing. I agree with almost everything you have said on the subject except the fact that Article Syndication and Duplicate Content are two different things.

If someone is relying on getting a good Google ranking to pay the rent (however dumb you and I and everyone else might think) I owe it to them to clear this up so they don't get screwed.

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WyzoMarketing

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Matt,
The same article posted over and over is in fact duplicate content.. It is exactly the same content. Set aside the syndication for a minute..

If I post on my blog this awesome information about XYZ Technology and many others find this information wonderful and helpful. They decide that others could benefit from this info.

So they do 2 things ..
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I can see that you speak from experience and yes, it's 100% like you described. There IS such thing as duplicate content but if you build backlinks G doesn't care, it will move you up into good serps.

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uniquecontent

14 years ago

I also would like to say that it is myth......

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Groovy99

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keivn2

I am apologized if this kind of discussion had been brought up a lot of time in the past...but I'm not really sure this is just a myth or a real deal. So I would like to see some confirmation about this "myth"

I am asking this because I am planning to submit the same articles to other directories but at the same time, I kinda afraid that if all the effort I put goes in vain.

Since I don't have any software or program like article spinning and etc, this answer for this thread indeed important to me.

Duplicate content on pages within ONE site can be an issue if you let it happen. Try not to do that.

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TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Groovy99

Duplicate content on pages within ONE site can be an issue if you let it happen. Try not to do that.

Originally Posted by Groovy99

Duplicate content on pages within ONE site can be an issue if you let it happen. Try not to do that.

But the fact is everyone that has a dynamic website and uses SEO (either by plugin or .htaccess or php) does in fact have duplicate content. That's right you read it correct ... EVERYONE THAT USES A DYNAMIC SITES HAS DUPLICATE CONTENT.

Need proof ?

Ok then here we go ....

I have a site that uses .htaccess for SEO titles just like most dynamic sites do. So I may have a page like

http://www.mysite.com/This_Is_My_Title-123

This would be the SEO'ed url of course.. But the site still has a raw url and yes it can be crawled by the spiders even if you use .htaccess.

The raw url would look something like

http://www.mysite.com/article.php?item=123

You see 2 different urls but the same exact content which looks like duplicate content due to the SEO'ed url.. This same thing goes for shopping carts, cms's, and etc that are dynamic and use seo'ed titles.

Do you think google beats you up for this ? No .. because it is perfectly normal and billions of sites are just like this...

James
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WyzoMarketing

14 years ago

Someone should create a thread about this (non-existent!) issue so that would be the last one about this topic

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

None of this is my opinion. At all. Maybe my interpretation of what Google has written about in several pages. But like I said whenever I try to get any of my fellow Warriors to read it and tell me what they think about what Google said, most of them refuse.

Instead they bring up the Matt Cutts video, or that other guy. Talking about another subject for another day.

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

I'm officially finished with this.

Good luck.

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

That "other guy" looks about 14 years old. LOL

Anyhow, as someone said earlier. The arguement is not whether or not duplicate content (in the literal translation of the term) is harmful or not...the arguement is stemming from exactly what people consider duplicate content to actually be (their own translation of the term).

Dude, if the main problem is that your clients are questioning what you are teaching them, then perhaps other things need to be looked at besides peoples' opinions at a forum.

I genuinly apologize for that comment, but I think it needed to be said...not necessarily to you, but to a lot of people.

If my clients questioned something I taught them, I would simply respond with a proven, legitimate answer and tell them that the people at the forum are idiots for not knowing it. Maybe I would state my opinion at the forum, but I wouldn't waste my time or risk my blood pressure peaking by arguing over it.

But that's just me...

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

That "other guy" looks about 14 years old. LOL

FYI, I turned 14 yesterday

anyway, Mat, I trust you are much older and wiser than me, likewise I'm pretty sure that you know that talking in terms of absolutes rarely will receive a positive result, I should know, I do it all the time, and it will only trigger defensive responses which is why you have received the overwhelming negative responses that you have.

As stated earlier, technically yes, posting the exact article to multiple directories is technically duplicate content in the literal sense of the word, and as stated earlier, if Google did penalize or ban websites that used these articles then there wouldn't be any search results at all, that is why this 'content penalty' is a myth.

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

James, again I agree with your post just above your last one. So, I would like to ask you a serious question about your take on what Google said on their page.

When they say that there are certain situations that can get your site removed because of duplicate content, what do you think they are talking about?

I'm not trying to flippant or sarcastic.

They do remove pages that have already been indexed right?

So what do you think "manipulation" means when they say that? It has to be content right? They say so.

So, if they will remove your site for the content below

...you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value.

I would seriously like to know what you think that is. The content that will get your site removed.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

As google itself has said in plain english and as I have said many times over... Creating doorways pages for the purpose to manipulate the system will cause your site to be penalized or removed.

Doorway pages are pages with short text and all duplicated with just keywords changed to get rankings. This method was used by many marketers years ago and it is frowned upon by all search engines that I know of...

The keyword as I said yesterday here is manipulation ....

So who determines what manipulation really is ? Well, the simple answer to that question is the owner of said site does.

Some feel it is cool to boost their article count (views) in EZA by doing mass junk paid traffic. These people get off on it and enjoy it because they are in the most viewed section.

Myself I feel it is wrong and anyone that does it is doing questionable marketing and I have no desire to follow anyone that does such a thing that is obviously against the sites tos.

But with that said... I do not determine what is manipluation and nor does the person doing the mass junk paid advertising for visitors. The one that does determine this would be Chris as it is his site.

This same thing goes for google and the same thing for this forum and any other site. It is the owner that decides if your link and/or content will even show on their site at all..

James

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

James, again I agree with your post just above your last one. So, I would like to ask you a serious question about your take on what Google said on their page.

When they say that there are certain situations that can get your site removed because of duplicate content, what do you think they are talking about?

I'm not trying to flippant or sarcastic.

They do remove pages that have already been indexed right?

So what do you think "manipulation" means when they say that? It has to be content right? They say so.

So, if they will remove your site for the content below

I would seriously like to know what you think that is. The content that will get your site removed.

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Doorway pages are pages with short text and all duplicated with just keywords changed to get rankings. This method was used by many marketers years ago and it is frowned upon by all search engines that I know of...

Unless you have $5m+ in Silicon Valley venture capital funding. or recognized by Time Magazine. Then a site with only keyword tags and scrapped product listings gets a big smile from Google.

"Go Big or Go Home", that's Google's motto.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Unless you have $5m+ in Silicon Valley venture capital funding. or recognized by Time Magazine. Then a site with only keyword tags and scrapped product listings gets a big smile from Google.

"Go Big or Go Home", that's Google's motto.

Well of course this is true ... Most of us don't have that kind of backing though

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Unless you have $5m+ in Silicon Valley venture capital funding. or recognized by Time Magazine. Then a site with only keyword tags and scrapped product listings gets a big smile from Google.

"Go Big or Go Home", that's Google's motto.

LMAO - Good point!

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Skyfox, do you believe that any sites get removed from Google?

If so, then why are they removed?

Why can't I use PLR then? Why doesn't EzineArticles want you to use PLR? Why should our content be noticeably different? Or does it matter?

What would I have to do to my site to have Google yank it. Other than the obvious porn, hatred...

If I get a kick ass SEO article and I put it on my blog 20 times (the same article) over and over again without changing a thing, would you call that article syndication or would you call that duplicate content?

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

Skyfox, do you believe that any sites get removed from Google?

If so, then why are they removed?

What would I have to do to my site to have Google yank it. Other than the obvious porn, hatred...

Of course websites get removed from Google, but not because they use duplicate articles or content. In one of those videos posted, google states that in the rare case that one does, it is because it is proven to be used to try to manipulate the search results, an example would be a link farm which Google are getting very good at detecting.

I don't know where you get the idea that Google censors its search results other than china which it is in the process of trying to change last time I checked. I can still see racist hate sites and porn gallery sites which all link the same galleries.

The only time sites might appear inaccessible otherwise is if your local government instituted a filter and google was obligated to use it in order to operate in that particular country.

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Matt Bard 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

an example would be a link farm

So do you think that is the only reason that they would drop a site?

In their Webmaster Page they state that using duplicate content to manipulate would be a reason.

They also talk about "scraping content" and manipulating with it.

What would an example of that be? To you.
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14 years ago

I think it's pretty much a myth.

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Matt Bard

14 years ago

Well James, you win.

I officially give up. I have been beat down by everyone here for two days I really don't want to argue anymore.

Obviously I'm too old for this and I have been thinking about retiring some time soon.

I will end with this though, if someone wants to make a living from getting their article accepted in a directory they should read the rules and the TOS (Terms Of Service) and if someone is hoping to get their site ranked on Google they should seriously consider reading Google's Terms and what Google says about getting listed and getting removed.

Bye all.

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

James touched on a thought I was having and forgot to mention in my last post...

If you remain aboveboard and maintain a respectable level of integrity, then I don't feel there is anything to worry about - duplicate-content-wise or anything else.

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cashcow

14 years ago

a syndicated "press release" isn't the same as a massively submitted article..

Before you go, I was hoping you could talk more about this. I don't understand why they would be different.

In both cases you are distributing a big bunch of words (call it an article or a press release, it's all just words to a search engine algorithm, right?) to a bunch of different places.

Are they different because of the places they are submitted to?

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

Before you go, I was hoping you could talk more about this. I don't understand why they would be different.

In both cases you are distributing a big bunch of words (call it an article or a press release, it's all just words to a search engine algorithm, right?) to a bunch of different places.

Are they different because of the places they are submitted to?

Lee

Exactly Lee .. Content is content just like a link is a link .. An article and a press release both are written (or should be) to relay "information" to the reader and to get that reader to go to the link.

They may be slightly written differently but the fact remains it is still content and nothing more.

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

Before you go, I was hoping you could talk more about this. I don't understand why they would be different.

In both cases you are distributing a big bunch of words (call it an article or a press release, it's all just words to a search engine algorithm, right?) to a bunch of different places.

Are they different because of the places they are submitted to?

Lee

You just get me back for one more post

-They are not only different because of the places they are submitted to(this a considerable difference though)

They are different in "nature", a real press release is a piece of fresh news, it's more close to what you read on the newspapers, it's natural for fresh news to be syndicated in different places, and the search engines won't consider them as a mass submission..

And before anyone argue about the difference in nature, just go and try to submit a regular article to a reputable press release site, and wait for the response...
And try to submit a press release to EZA as a regular article, and also wait for the response...

EDIT: To stop argument about this, here's a link to PRWEB editorial guidelines:

http://www.prweb.com/pr/press-releas...guidlines.html

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Wow amazing .. I wonder why ArticlesBase.com published my "press release" ?? Nope before you say it, I DID NOT submit it, they picked it up and published it ..

Sorry content is content simply put...

It is fully natural for articles to be syndicated.. Since you think I say that to protect my own business then lets see about those worthy article directories that I do not own ...

Article Marketing Services: Ghost Writing and Article Distribution from The Phantom Writers Since 2001
Free Articles Directory | Submit Articles - ArticlesBase.com
Article Directory - Article Marketing Community
SearchWarp Writers' Community for Do It Yourself and Current Events Commentary
Free Articles - Isnare Free Articles Submission And Distribution Directory, Publishers Reprint Free Articles For Your Ezine Or Website
Free Articles at Amazines.Com - Author Publishing and Free Article Database
Article Search Engine Directory: GoArticles.com
Submit articles or find free articles
ArticleSnatch Free Article Directory
Buzzle Web Portal: Intelligent Life on the Web

There goes 10 worthy article directories that I do not own ... Guess what some of them even publish "press releases" ...

It is true a press release must be news worthy but like I said an article should also be informative and not some sales pitch... Content is content..

You really should stop stating your opinions as fact ...

James

Originally Posted by goldmind123

You just get me back for one more post

-They are not only different because of the places they are submitted to(this a considerable difference though)

They are different in "nature", a real press release is a piece of fresh news, it's more close to what you read on the newspapers, it's natural for fresh news to be syndicated in different places, and the search engines won't consider them as a mass submission..

And before anyone argue about the difference in nature, just go and try to submit a regular article to a reputable press release site, and wait for the response...
And try to submit a press release to EZA as a regular article, and also wait for the response...

EDIT: To stop argument about this, here's a link to PRWEB editorial guidelines:

Editorial Guidelines for News Releases - Advice from PRWeb

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dup post for some reason ....
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cashcow

14 years ago

I can agree that they are very different but being from an engineering background, I can't see how a search engine algorithm would be able to tell whether or not something is a press release or an article.

Unless they might peg it as one or the other because of the site where they find the article. Do you think they have that as part of their algorithm?

I'm sure Google would like to be able to tell the difference just like it would like to be able to tell if an article is a good quality article or not but I just don't think the technology is there. I mean technology that can tell if an article is well written and informative, I do realize that they can see how long it is, how many links, see if there are related keywords etc.. and make some sort of a guess based on that. But all that can be done on crappy articles too.

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Mike24

14 years ago

Posting duplicate content on 100s of article directories can get your name out there but I would still prefer to use some sort of article spinner (that is if you're too lazy too re-edit yourself) so that the article doesn't become stale and still is applicable.

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

There's no need to get all crazy.

So your factual statement was just an opinion then?

I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

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gjbusinessman

14 years ago

There are many who submit articles to 100s of directories. I don't know the exact outcome but it works to certain extent. It has to be promoted also on regular basis. The links in the articles are also considered to be equally important.There are directories where submission rules are tough. You may try one website constantcontent.com

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