"Oops, I messed up the link I sent you in my previous email,"

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Have you ever gotten one of these emails after you opted in?

"Oops, I messed up the link I sent you in my previous email,"

Or have you ever sent one of these out to your newly subscribed?

The more list I'm subscribed to, the more often I'm seeing this type of follow-up email.

Is it some sort of IM trick - or is everyone just screwing up on their previous emails?:rolleyes:
  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Sometimes people mess up. When they do, it's embarrassing but they get through it.

    Some seem to make a habit of it. I can usually draw two possible conclusions. One it's a trick, and the marketer assumes I'm an idiot. Or two, the marketer is sloppy and therefore less to be trusted to get things right in the product.

    I did get one today that made me laugh as I unsubscribed...

    The email said it contained the correct links to the videos he sent out the day before. When I checked, I couldn't find any email from the day before - not in the inbox, junk folder, trash, no place. The only conclusion left was that the sender was trying to put one over on me, so he was not to be trusted. I'm no longer on his list...
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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


      Some seem to make a habit of it. I can usually draw two possible conclusions. One it's a trick, and the marketer assumes I'm an idiot. Or two, the marketer is sloppy and therefore less to be trusted to get things right in the product.
      I am sure it is a marketing ploy - a very sad one at that. It has been responsible for many of my unsubscribes.

      If a marketer can't get a link right just imagine the mess they would make with a full blown product.
      I can see it now.

      "Sorry that product was wrong, Please buy this one instead"

      kenj
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        I am sure it is a marketing ploy - a very sad one at that. It has been responsible for many of my unsubscribes.

        If a marketer can't get a link right just imagine the mess they would make with a full blown product.
        I can see it now.

        "Sorry that product was wrong, Please buy this one instead"

        kenj
        Guys I send out emails once a week at least to my list. I screw links up and send out a second email to let them know. No marketing trick - just an honest screw up.

        Not everyone does everything with an alternative motive.

        Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    I get those often...at least once a week! I have actually gone back to test the first email and those first "incorrect" links have worked 95% of the time. I'd say based on my experience that the ones I've been receiving have been a marketing trick to get more emails opened...I guess people like to read about other people making mistakes! I think there are still some legitimate ones that go out like that though because I've done it myself when I really did make an error!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    If they already have it loaded up into their series then they are being deceitful.

    But obviously, it is a bit hard to know if they have done it ahead of time or not.

    A couple big name marketers have shown some of the follow up emails in their speaking conferences which reveals their true nature.
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    • Profile picture of the author dhudiburg
      Hmmm. All I can say is I've done it. It's not that hard to mess up a link if you get in a hurry.

      In fact, I'd venture to guess that *most* people who do any sort of email marketing have done it at one point or another.

      If you don't like the marketer or the information, unsubscribe. But it seems silly to unsubscribe because of something like this, even if it is a way to increase response rates.
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      • Originally Posted by dhudiburg View Post

        Hmmm. All I can say is I've done it. It's not that hard to mess up a link if you get in a hurry.

        In fact, I'd venture to guess that *most* people who do any sort of email marketing have done it at one point or another.

        If you don't like the marketer or the information, unsubscribe. But it seems silly to unsubscribe because of something like this, even if it is a way to increase response rates.
        My point exactly,

        We are IM! Part of email marketing is psychological
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAse
    I've gotten my fair share. The ones that make me laugh are when they have clearly forgotten to include their affiliate link and have linked directly to the site itself. Those are tough to explain away when the link seemingly goes to the same site.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheAngelGuy
    It means their affiliate redirect isn't working and they had to change it or something.
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    • Profile picture of the author mlevenhagen
      If you get something like that from me.. I really did mess up. lol.. If you do a lot of e-mail stuff you're bound to mess up something from time to time. And even though we try our best to test links etc, sometimes stuff happens.

      From others.. Once in a while I wouldn't worry about it; give them the benefit of the doubt.. I'd worry if they did that every other week though.
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      • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
        Originally Posted by mlevenhagen View Post

        If you get something like that from me.. I really did mess up. lol..
        LOL. Same with me.

        I actually really did send the wrong link not that long ago, and I had to follow up with an "oops" email. In the email, I actually joked about how it could possibly be seen as a "marketing ploy", but nope...it was just an error that I missed.

        In my case, it was quite obvious I was telling the truth with the difference of the links in question, but I'm sure there was probably a still a few people on my list who were "wondering what I was up to".

        Sometimes marketers mistakenly click send before they notice an error and I'm pretty sure in many cases it really is an error and not as much of a sneaky marketing tactic as some might think it is.

        Everyone makes mistakes, so I wouldn't unsubscribe from a list because of that type of email, unless it was an obvious evil plot to trick me into losing money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I have had many of these over the last month, and I always check.

    In every single case they either are sending the exact same link again or didn't email me any link previously.

    "Oops, I messed up the link I sent you in my previous email,"
    translates as
    "You didn't click my link, do it this time"

    The really sad thing is I have had up to 7 of these in a row from the same person, and guess what.

    Yes, each link was the same.

    I have replied in several cases telling them they may need to seek counseling of some form, but the crap continues.

    In case you didn't pick up on it, this has been annoying me for a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Here we go again!

    Yes, sometimes we as marketers (read: human beings) really do make honest mistakes. It's not because we're SLOPPY, it's because we made a mistake. If you want to unsubsubscribe because we aren't perfect, then please do - we will never be able to match your shining example of all that is perfect.

    On the other hand, if it's the same marketer and the link is the same, it's habitual, or no previous link was sent; then that's lying in my book and they aren't worthy of having me on their list.

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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Dear God, my head hurts, please make it stop.

    Tell me something. What good does sending out an email that has a non working link, generates zero sales, and gets you a ton of complaints in your inbox do for you?

    From what I can tell, it does nothing for you but empty your aspirin bottle.

    People are human, they make mistakes, and if you don't like it, look for a list operated by extraterrestial beings and subscribe to that instead.

    Geez. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author CmdrStidd
    Yes, people are human and yes they make mistakes, but I left one list because every other email was "Oops" I am sorry but that many mistakes is no mistake. Every once in a while, sure that is no problem and I can overlook it but don't send it out every week because it tells me that either a) you are not taking the time necessary to make sure you are getting it done right, or b) you need to fire whoever it is that is doing your email writing and get someone that knows what they are doing or c) you are a lying sack of bull and you really don't want me on your list. In any case, why would I want to stay on his list if he is making these mistakes every week? "Can you say DOH!!!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by CmdrStidd View Post

      Yes, people are human and yes they make mistakes, but I left one list because every other email was "Oops" I am sorry but that many mistakes is no mistake. Every once in a while, sure that is no problem and I can overlook it but don't send it out every week because it tells me that either a) you are not taking the time necessary to make sure you are getting it done right, or b) you need to fire whoever it is that is doing your email writing and get someone that knows what they are doing or c) you are a lying sack of bull and you really don't want me on your list. In any case, why would I want to stay on his list if he is making these mistakes every week? "Can you say DOH!!!"
      Commander:

      You're a programmer.

      How different ways are there to screw up a PHP redirect, especially if you're using something like dreamweaver, or Crimson Editor (my fav for doing on the fly php screwups lol)?

      I can think of quite a few, especially if you only know just enough html to be dangerous (like myself for instance). And most of the IM gurus don't even know that much. So I can imagine doing a PHP redirect would make most of 'em break out in a cold sweat.

      Remember, they are professional marketers, not techheads like yourself. So give 'em a break ok?
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      • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        Commander:

        So I can imagine doing a PHP redirect would make most of 'em break out in a cold sweat.
        Yeah - just thinking about it is giving me hives!
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    Has anyone ever seen one that actually was a mistake?

    I haven't and I have seen many of these emails recently.
    Everyone had either resent the same link, or hadn't sent me anything before.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      Has anyone ever seen one that actually was a mistake?

      I haven't and I have seen many of these emails recently.
      Everyone had either resent the same link, or hadn't sent me anything before.
      Yes, and I'm the one who sent it (I subscribe to my own lists).

      Have you opened EVERY single "Oops!" e-mail? And, if so, have you compared the links?

      Just to be clear - If it's the rare and honest mistake, then no problem.

      If it's a lame-brained attempt at a marketing gimmick, then you deserve every unsubscribe you get.

      So, if a marketer makes an honest mistake and gets complaints from their list should they ignore it and just let people keep clicking on the wrong link?

      All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Colin,
      Has anyone ever seen one that actually was a mistake?
      Yep. I've made them, although not often.

      The most recent borked link was working fine when I sent the email. While it was going out, the host for that server "updated" PHP and broke everything. I'm fairly sure there were people who thought I was being deceptive, even though there's no point in deliberately mailing a link that goes to a PHP error page.

      When we got PHP fixed, the original link worked correctly.

      I "broke" one once by copying and pasting the wrong link. Hell, I once sent the download link for a new product to a list of customers, instead of the sales page URL.

      Ooops, indeed.

      So yeah. It does happen. I would guess that the majority of the time, it's legit. If it's used as a trick, like in a follow-up sequence, it's deceptive.

      It's also stupid. It's not that hard to come out and tell people it's a reminder. I do it all the time, and I get very few complaints about it. The few I do get are along the lines of "Too much mail," which is a lot better than, "You lying sack of sputum!"

      What I think is funny is the idea that anyone who goofs on a link once in a while is automatically incompetent. Every time I read that, I chuckle. At some point the person saying it is going to goof, and they're going to hear those same words from someone else.


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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    I see it all the time, that's why I don't open that mailbox anymore...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
      Quote: "...Yes, sometimes we as marketers (read: human beings) really do make honest mistakes...!"

      I can understand a "spelling mistake" here or there...but when it comes to YOUR AFFILIATE LINK, I would *cough ASSUME cough* that EVERY MARKETER would take their time in ensuring that the RIGHT WORKING ONE is included in their email(s) BEFORE hitting the SEND BUTTON!!!!!

      As mentioned before, I see this OH SO OFTEN from the SAME people myself and when those types of emails arrive, I instantly click on UNSUBSCRIBE!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Ah, so you assume that marketers only sell affiliate products?

    I can't say it enough.

    We make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes involve links.

    If you want to unsubscribe, no problem. But hopefully you can keep your streak of perfection going.

    IF it's a marketing trick, then go ahead and unsubscribe - I do.

    But seriously, is it really so hard to believe that someone can mess up a link? If you say no, then my guess is you don't have a list, or you haven't sent a lot of messages with links.

    As Paul said, sometimes it's not even our mistake that a link doesn't work.

    Also, my apologies if I'm coming across as defensive, but I think it's funny how some people in THIS forum always assume the worst when it comes to marketing. If you think it's always a ploy, then best of luck to ya! You'll need it.

    Assume the worst, and that's what you'll get.

    EDIT: Lest you think I've done this a lot, let me add that it only happens to me about once or twice a year, at most.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I have sent out broken links before .

    I just found out today an assistant deleted over half of a series . She didn't do it on purpose but I am going to need to contact everyone on the list and explain to them that the series is broken and I will not be adding it back ( I just don't have time to go through 68 emails that focus on a step by step.

    Bet it loses some subscribers for me . Will it ruin my business ? Not by a long shot .

    So many people have the attitude that unsubscribing from a list is the most devastating thing they can do to an email marketer .

    Those of us that are true list builders are not happy to see any one go. It is not the end of our online existence by a long shot .

    Most people that are so petty that an occasional mistake makes them want to unsubscribe are not the target I am aiming for anyway .
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  • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
    Marketing ploy? Dang, I never even thought of that....

    When I've done it (and I actually sent out 2 IN A ROW like that...yeesh...bad week), it's been an honest goof up. Once was back to the sales page of my site, another was back to an article I'd just posted on my site.

    As soon as I realized it, I just sent out an email that tried to make me not sound like a complete moron - LOL. In fact, I think the title to a follow up email I had was something along the lines of "CR@P - I screwed up the link!".

    I just simply goofed....
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    This is something similar to say "sorry... wrong link"

    I agree sometimes it is a trick to get an email more opened. Well I guess people won't unsubscribe, at least I won't.

    But marketing sometimes more about get your link more opened...
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hey All,

    It's just plain amazing to me how for some reason the IM savvy crowd doesn't allow for mistakes. (Edited after rethinking and one cup of earl gray) (deception bad)> I'll just unsubscribe if it is that irritating to me.

    Back to my real rant, mistakes are made, my goodness, Frank Loyd Wright has leaky buildings all over the place, actors on stage blow their lines all the time.

    An IMer admits to a mistake and sends another link and we are ready to trash him. Why do IMers have such short fuses?

    And embarrassing? I've sent out wrong links by mistake and wasn't a bit embarrassed. In fact I was proud of myself to have the good sense to catch the mistake and resend the links.

    End of rant.

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    • Profile picture of the author wolverine1971
      I wouldn't mind it if I thought someone was being sincere about actually forgetting the link but come on when you're on 20 different lists and see that same headline everyday it gets a little ridiculous.

      Mistakes will be made by everyone but a serious business person should be respectful about their list and making sure to get the emails right. If someone worked for the marketing division in a major corporation and forgot to add an essential piece of material to a mailer and you went to your boss and said 'oops I forgot to add the thing we were selling' it would get you canned.

      My point is I don't take those people seriously so when I start seeing the 'ooops' I forgot emails I simply say ooops I accidentally deleted your email before reading it and the next one I'll simply unsubscribe. If someone can't write an honest and unique email campaign then I just don't think they are a person I will continue to follow. but that is my choice and we all get to make that.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      George,
      Why do IMers have such short fuses?
      I don't think they're shorter than any other group's, really. Just different kinds.

      A lot of people, including many marketers, look at marketing as manipulation. Largely because so much of it is, or tries to be. And who really wants to feel like they're being manipulated?

      That explains a lot. Including the whole "marketers complaining about marketing" discussion that comes up whenever someone complains about one specific technique or another.


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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Largely because so much of it is, or tries to be.
        As a marketer one really should be manipulating, but more of the persuasion and less the trickery.

        But bottom line is to have control over the effort and application with a pretty good understanding of the response.

        Those dead links in the oops emails are not actually dead. They are being looked at.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    ive had it a few times and its the quickest email that gets me opting for the unsubscribe button!

    kind regards


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    • Profile picture of the author workfromhomejobs
      Most of them are just part of marketing. I have checked most of the previous email they sent and there were nothing wrong with the links. I believe this type of email champaign targeted people who are not yet opened up the previous email. I guess they just follow what the 'big gurus' taught them in a inner circle mastermind group.

      Let them just continue do it if they insist in getting hit by big wave coming on at them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
        One of the hardest things to do as an Internet Marketer is
        to build trust with your subscribers.

        The "Oops - bad link" type e-mails may get more opens,
        clicks and even sales - but they come at a cost...

        Some subscribers will unsubscribe.

        Some subscribers will begin to doubt your honesty from that
        point forward and especially if you send out these type of
        "Oops - bad link" e-mails regularly.

        And that is why I have a policy of NEVER using the "Oops
        - bad link" type e-mail.

        I've been writing regular newsletters since 2003 and have
        never sent out an e-mail like that.

        How?

        Nope - I'm not perfect. I just have a reliable system to
        avoid the problem occurring in the first place.

        Erm... Duh!

        I have a triple-check system in place where I send myself
        at least 3 test e-mails to check the links BEFORE I send
        out the newsletter to my valued subscribers.

        It works.

        All it takes is a little care and attention.

        After all, if you want people to pay a lot of attention to you
        and your messages then you need to pay a lot of care and
        attention to them.

        If you start sending out the "Oops - bad link" type e-mails
        the message I receive as a subsciber is that you are careless
        (or worse, a total BS merchant) and you think you can invade
        my inbox at will.

        So pay attention to your subscribers and take care to make
        sure you eliminate the problem at source by using a reliable
        system.

        Dedicated to your success,

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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Some day when you make a mistrake I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive yourself.

          Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

          One of the hardest things to do as an Internet Marketer is
          to build trust with your subscribers.

          The "Oops - bad link" type e-mails may get more opens,
          clicks and even sales - but they come at a cost...

          Some subscribers will unsubscribe.

          Some subscribers will begin to doubt your honesty from that
          point forward and especially if you send out these type of
          "Oops - bad link" e-mails regularly.

          And that is why I have a policy of NEVER using the "Oops
          - bad link" type e-mail.

          I've been writing regular newsletters since 2003 and have
          never sent out an e-mail like that.

          How?

          Nope - I'm not perfect. I just have a reliable system to
          avoid the problem occurring in the first place.

          Erm... Duh!

          I have a triple-check system in place where I send myself
          at least 3 test e-mails to check the links BEFORE I send
          out the newsletter to my valued subscribers.

          It works.

          All it takes is a little care and attention.

          After all, if you want people to pay a lot of attention to you
          and your messages then you need to pay a lot of care and
          attention to them.

          If you start sending out the "Oops - bad link" type e-mails
          the message I receive as a subsciber is that you are careless
          (or worse, a total BS merchant) and you think you can invade
          my inbox at will.

          So pay attention to your subscribers and take care to make
          sure you eliminate the problem at source by using a reliable
          system.

          Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author iYingHang
    I do do this kind of mistakes and I think it's nothing wrong as we are humans and we humans do does things wrong.

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I've made mistakes in the past, or so I've been told...

      Seriously, one time I sent a bad link (to the wrong page). Sent a correction, but the brain-dead fool copied and pasted the same wrong link. Had to send another correction, and got it right this time.

      I lost a few, but not as many as I thought I would. I had a pretty good track record with the people on that list, and I poked fun at myself for making the same mistake twice. A few people wrote to suggest a vacation, but that was about it...

      I know it happens, so I'm not that quick on the unsubscribe trigger. People screw up from time to time. What gets me hunting for the unsubscribe link is disprespecting me. When I catch you doing that, you're dead to me, at least commercially.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        I've made mistakes in the past, or so I've been told...

        Seriously, one time I sent a bad link (to the wrong page). Sent a correction, but the brain-dead fool copied and pasted the same wrong link. Had to send another correction, and got it right this time.

        I lost a few, but not as many as I thought I would. I had a pretty good track record with the people on that list, and I poked fun at myself for making the same mistake twice. A few people wrote to suggest a vacation, but that was about it...

        I know it happens, so I'm not that quick on the unsubscribe trigger. People screw up from time to time. What gets me hunting for the unsubscribe link is disprespecting me. When I catch you doing that, you're dead to me, at least commercially.
        Amen, Brother!

        Everyone has my respect right out of the gate, but they can lose it. Sending e-mials with BS subject lines is one of the ways that can be done.



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  • Profile picture of the author txconx
    I've had a couple of these this week and the fact that 2 or 3 IMers chose to do this screamed that it's some marketing ploy they learned somewhere.

    Fast unsubscribe. I don't mind ignoring 99% of the foolishness they send to the list, but I resent being treated like I'm a complete idiot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by txconx View Post

      I've had a couple of these this week and the fact that 2 or 3 IMers chose to do this screamed that it's some marketing ploy they learned somewhere.

      Fast unsubscribe. I don't mind ignoring 99% of the foolishness they send to the list, but I resent being treated like I'm a complete idiot.
      here here!
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  • Profile picture of the author ivatel42
    Mistakes do happen but in the main I get a couple of emails a week like that so now know it's mainly a marketing ploy in the main!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    One purpose for the dead link email is using it in the prelaunch stage of a new product.

    You are sending emails as frequently as you can to build the momentum for the launch and using the dead link is a way to add another email.

    The dead link email still contains a message pertaining to the launch and gives a test email to see the click rate on your copy for that link.

    The same day after an adjustment is made, you get to see if more people have responded.

    Remember that not everyone that is getting the email is clicking through to the dead link. Which means that they would not have clicked through to the live link had it been live.

    By sending another email, you are trying to take a second shot at getting more clickthroughs.
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    I've messed up with links sometimes too, specially when I try to cloack affiliate links.

    I know email marketeers who use this tactic just to track how many suscribers actually open their emails, another common headlines are "URGENT: you will be removed from my list", "You've supose to receieved this yesterday...", "My aPologies.... ", "Do not click this link". Most readers open the email moved by curiosity.

    I think those subjects that appeal to the curiosity, and the urgency are valid tools to deal with your suscribers, and if it add some value to the reader in the content, even better.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Jewett
    Anybody can make this mistake, but....

    Sadly this is becoming more and more common place. I use to see this once or twice every couple of months now its seems like it every couple of weeks. A little while back, I received that same email message from 3 different lists the same day. I unsubscribed from those 3 lists (under those names). Now I'm dealing with their "alias names" or their mystery partners.

    It seems to me, if these marketers checked their links in their email or autoresponder messages this would maybe not happen as often.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Yusuf
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

    When it happens more than once within a short period of time then that generally means it is time to unsubscribe. Sales on a list are expected but this type of thing clearly says to me that they have no more value to provide me.

    It's become so bad I automatically delete the "Oops..." messages most of the time as a reflex without even opening them.

    It's almost as bad as the "Here's Your Free Download" messages, with a link to an opt-in form to an affiliate product. This is fine, unless you're subscribed to several lists whose owners are promoting the same product. In that case, brace yourself for the onslaught.
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  • Profile picture of the author CmdrStidd
    I would have to say that the funniest "Oops" email I got was from a guy who sent out the "Oops" email 2 days before he sent out the product email that supposedly had the broken link in it. Needless to say I signed up 15 more times because the guy was so honest in his dealings...NOT!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    It's a marketing ploy because I've seen it used several times by different marketers, I usually hit the delete button. They could at least change the wording.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Yes I would like to go on record that I too believe that most of the oops emails I get are actually mistakes.

    I don't automatically think the worst in people. On the contrary, like Michael Oksa I too have the respect for people expecting the best from them until they show me otherwise.

    The example email series above in #39 is something that I read from a marketer.

    I do not accept that as a way to market. Just as I would not tell someone that I only have one blue car left on the lot when that is a lie too.

    Just didn't want people to think that I market like the example above. Or that I think all marketers are cheats and liars. I don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Well I have had a ton of these ....
    making a mistake happens I have done it I resend the email Immediately after noticing saying -link resend I apologize.
    it is a definite ploy sometimes it is not but I have received them from different marketers same subject line promoting the same product so I will differ with you on that one
    -WD

    Edited to add,

    I actually yesterday dealt with two of them in one shot I sent the email from one to the other and vice versa and I included you know as a fellow marketer I am all for making cash but using cookie cutters like these just makes you look unprofessional and cheesy
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Nobody is saying that it is NEVER used as a ploy.

    It is.

    BUT, if you think that it is a ploy EVERY time, then, with all due respect, you are being purposefully ignorant.

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    No i am not saying it is everytime Michael I am just saying it is a ploy just like here is your affiliate check or your commissions are waiting etc when the subject lines are the exact same from all sorts it is hard to believe they are legit that is what I am saying
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    If it is being used as a ply, then unsubscribe.

    If it's an apparent habit, then unsubscribe.

    If it could be an honest mistake, then cut us some slack. It's not like we're happy that we have to send out an "Oops!" message. We're marketers, too and understand what the perception is.

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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    In truth, I have had to send a couple of them out due to honest mistakes.

    The problem is that people are sending them out as marketing ploys, so honest geezers feel stupid when they have to admit to being human i.e. - making mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author VaultBoss
    I am subscribed to many (probably too many) lists too... but this was never a reason to unsubscribe.
    Here's why.

    I am an Internet Marketer (I cherish myself as one, although some people thought it is debatable ) and as such, I've chosen to subscribe to as many fellow marketers I can, whenever possible.

    I have the chance to look for trends this way.
    I am also able to spot the diamond in the pile of rubble (guys, if my metaphors don't hit it with you, do not worry, it is my fault not yours! English is still a Foreign Language to me...)

    You may or may not imagine, how many well established marketers (cough Gurus cough) are faulty of being lazy or uncaring for their lists...
    A good example being whenever a new IM launch happens - and I get my Inbox flooded with the same subject lines taken from the affiliate tools pages of that product.
    Maybe a good, proven converting swipe email can be used when promoting a product launched last year, in a follow up sequence or such, assuming it will be seen by new (fresh meat, sharpen the knives!) people who came online since then...BUT to send it when everybody else is doing the same?

    Anyway, even then, I do not unsubscribe for at least a couple of months, usually till after they finish the initial follow up sequence for the main product I signed up, starting to promote only affiliate offers through broadcasts.
    Even then, if they take the time and write a more 'personal touch' message to me, I keep staying, watching, studying, learning new things...everyday!

    As for the reading...obviously I do a lot of delete before I even start reading the few remaining. And the deleting starts with the same subjects, as I said, but also all the other gimmicks like the "Ooops..." kind.

    No harm in staying subscribed and reading only what I want, right?

    On a side note, I goofed myself too.

    I launched a RAP script based website.
    I tested everything with PayPal Sandbox option.
    I prepared the tracked links to look for conversions, etc...
    I cloaked them to include the call to action.

    All was good, the links were working next morning in my email, BUT...

    I forgot to remove the tick from the Sandbox (test mode of RAP)
    So people couldn't buy my product, but rather (if they had a Sandbox account) were downloading... paying with play money, lol Stupid, huh?

    As such, I wrote a new email, but I honestly explained what happened.
    And never used the "OOOps..." model.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    LOL - I didn't realize we were at this time again... you know, the thread about those "Oops" emails - are they real, etc.

    *yawn* Guess I'll go back to bed. I've been down this road MANY times.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      LOL - I didn't realize we were at this time again... you know, the thread about those "Oops" emails - are they real, etc.

      *yawn* Guess I'll go back to bed. I've been down this road MANY times.
      And yet you found the time to leave your "Kilroy was here"...:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      LOL - I didn't realize we were at this time again... you know, the thread about those "Oops" emails - are they real, etc.

      *yawn* Guess I'll go back to bed. I've been down this road MANY times.
      sorry, i'm boring you - but I wasn't here between 2002 and now, so I guess I missed em. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

        sorry, i'm boring you - but I wasn't between 2002 and now, so I guess I missed em. :rolleyes:

        I was just being cheeky.

        However, a thread like this one happens several times per year. Just part of being in a community I suppose.
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        • Profile picture of the author fiero
          At least this guy is honest (received today):

          "Subj: Not a bad thing to resend good stuff, is it?

          Hi,

          Here's a copy of the email I sent yesterday. Wanted
          to make sure you read it.. it's good stuff....

          <include yesterday's email>"
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Rule #1 of a good affiliate - check your links. Cus if they don't work you don't make money.
    Any marketer who sends out an Oops link deserves to be unsubscribed from whether it was deliberate or not.
    Thats my fine wisdom on this snowy, blowy day
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Oops, these are still showing up in my email. Today from a fellow Warrior. Maybe it was an error - and not a slimy trick. - I may never check, but my trust factor on this person has dropped because of the email title.

    Fair, probably not - but I'm just sayin...
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    • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
      Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

      Oops, these are still showing up in my email. Today from a fellow Warrior. Maybe it was an error - and not a slimy trick. - I may never check, but my trust factor on this person has dropped because of the email title.

      Fair, probably not - but I'm just sayin...
      Got the same one.. I checked, there was nothing wrong with the first link.

      Maybe the tactic works, even if we're wise to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by MJ Sterling View Post

        Got the same one.. I checked, there was nothing wrong with the first link.

        Maybe the tactic works, even if we're wise to it.
        And how do you know for sure it was working at the time they originally sent the email, and they didn't fix it afterwards just in case someone stumbles over the original email weeks later?

        You got some kind of time machine I don't know about? If you do, I'd love to know more, because I could use such a device.

        This is almost as good as people claiming website crashes are faked. You just don't do that, unless you're a complete idiot who also thinks screen doors on submarines are a great idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          And how do you know for sure it was working at the time they originally sent the email, and they didn't fix it afterwards just in case someone stumbles over the original email weeks later?

          You got some kind of time machine I don't know about? If you do, I'd love to know more, because I could use such a device.

          This is almost as good as people claiming website crashes are faked. You just don't do that, unless you're a complete idiot who also thinks screen doors on submarines are a great idea.
          Uh no.. I just used common sense and checked the original email in my inbox and compared it to the second email. Ta-da!
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          • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
            Originally Posted by MJ Sterling View Post

            Uh no.. I just used common sense and checked the original email in my inbox and compared it to the second email. Ta-da!
            Let me guess...it was exactly the same link, right?

            So how do you know it didn't work yesterday, and they fixed it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    If only there was some way to find out if software, Web sites or email worked before releasing them to the public. Perhaps some day, such a futuristic vision will become reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

    Let me guess...it was exactly the same link, right?

    So how do you know it didn't work yesterday, and they fixed it?
    And chill...

    Let me give you a helping hand here..

    When the first email came through I was sat here at my comp and heard a little ping noise, it was Outlook. Outlook is an email client - it allows us to receive email the instant they are sent (more or less.. you can alter how often it checks). I felt excited to be one of the first people to receive the email and as the guy is one of my fav marketers I read the email and clicked his link to check out his bonuses.

    Great. Didn't think anymore of it.

    Then a second email comes through today saying he was sorry for the broken link..

    Have I explained it clear enough for you now? You're making a real song and dance about something which really isn't a big deal.. it's just a marketing trick for Christ sake.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Hi all,

      You may make any kind of activity, the opportunity of you making a mistake is found. This may happen to anybody, we are only human - far from the perfectness. The person who does make nothing may not make a mistake. (But what lives for if he does nothing?)

      On the other hand, they may form a judgement on your activity in such a way then if this becomes regular that you are superficial. I mean you are not reliable. And you may find yourself unempleyed in a minute.

      Very much depend on our reliability in the life, for this reason it is advisable to look after that. The IM world is not different, IMHO.

      All the best,

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