What's wrong with high competitve niche?

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Hi great warriors,
Each time i go through this forum i see people even keyword researchers telling you to stay clear off high competitive niche and i do ask myself why.

One thing i have come to think on my head is that any niche that is competitive, it means there is money there, pure and simple.

What do you think?

Enwereuzo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Percival
    You're absolutely right.....it's just that you may have to look some way down into sub-niches before you find something you can compete for.
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  • Profile picture of the author enwereuzo
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    The answer would be... if you are here and asking questions then you probably don't have enough experience or knowledge to gain much footing in a high competition niche.

    Also, a lot of 'gurus' offer solutions that aren't very effective. By suggesting that you target low competition niches it makes their crap methods appear to work. You see some results, they get your money, everybody is happy.

    Another thing is, most of these people are pretty clueless when it comes to SEO and ranking a site. Me, I outrank playboy for 'naked girls' so I think I'm pretty good at it.

    I understand the concept of trying to find those overlooked easy niches and keywords but I prefer to pick something I want to do/sell/promote and go for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author enwereuzo
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      The answer would be... if you are here and asking questions then you probably don't have enough experience or knowledge to gain much footing in a high competition niche.

      Also, a lot of 'gurus' offer solutions that aren't very effective. By suggesting that you target low competition niches it makes their crap methods appear to work. You see some results, they get your money, everybody is happy.

      Another thing is, most of these people are pretty clueless when it comes to SEO and ranking a site. Me, I outrank playboy for 'naked girls' so I think I'm pretty good at it.

      I understand the concept of trying to find those overlooked easy niches and keywords but I prefer to pick something I want to do/sell/promote and go for it.
      That's through. They actually want to make you buy their methods but onething is clear that is go for the niche you want to provided you are ready to work hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeOFarrel
    High competition means more investment. If you're willing to invest time and money in positioning yourself, go for it.

    Below site on social networking software is in an extremely competitive niche - I can assure you it ain't easy!

    If you're starting out, go for micro niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author homebizoutlook
      High competition is ok if you can a) find good keywords that are not competitive and b) you have the SEO knowledge of what to do with those non-competitive keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Because you will be up against the big boys if you go directly for the big ticket items, take computers for instance, do you really think a newbie stands a cat in hells chance against Apple or Microsoft?

    Much better to get the smaller niches and work your way up, there will be less competition for smaller niches no one even knows exist.

    If you did want to go for computers I would recommend tackling mice, then webcams then keyboards...and all the way up to supercomputers, by taking small pieces at first you will get a loyal following rather than blowing your budget on the first hour :p
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    A High competitive niche means if you try to rank on SEO you will need a lot more work and more time to get a high rank and of course more work to keep your site well ranked.
    If you try PPC means a huge budge, you need deep pockets to compite with the sharks.

    However Aiming for long tail keywords and finding subniches or micro niches can give you a tiny little piece of the whole pie (which can be a decent amount of money)

    Never underestimate the importance of the "lose weight trainning your dog how to make money from home selling insurance" niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAse
    I think the biggest reason is that you're taking on a large time committment with an uncertain outcome. For me, for example I've been working on a couple of significant wine related keywords for about 4 months now. We're finally starting to get organic traffic based on our efforts, for most IMers (those whom aren't promoting their regular brick and mortar business) that would be an unacceptable time frame.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by enwereuzo View Post

    Hi great warriors,
    Each time i go through this forum i see people even keyword researchers telling you to stay clear off high competitive niche and i do ask myself why.

    One thing i have come to think on my head is that any niche that is competitive, it means there is money there, pure and simple.

    What do you think?

    Enwereuzo.
    Here's my take on it, there are so many different ways to make money online, so many differet niches, sub-niches, micro-niches, <insert your favorite trendy niche word here>, that some marketers (like myself) love going into uber competitive niches. However, that doesn't mean we don't focus on long-tail keywords either.

    There's plenty of money to be made in less competitive niches. What it really boils down to is how large a market you want to go after and how simple or complicated is it to reach them?

    Take the dating niche as an example. Everyone knows it's an uber-competitive niche. It's also very lucrative to the people know how to compete in it.

    I'm going by memory here but let's just say that the keyword "dating" gets 2 million searches a month. Right there that should tell you that there are are a TON of sub-niches.

    Christian Dating
    Senior / Mature Dating
    Match Making Services
    How To Talk To Women
    How To Stop Your Divorce
    How to Get Your Ex Back
    How To Find A Man and Keep A Man
    How To Give Your Toaster An Orgasm

    Okay, maybe not the last one, but you catch my drift.

    I'm not afraid to compete with the "big boys" because there are subniches they've never heard of OR they're so small that it's not worth it for them. The demographics don't support their plans for growth so they over look it and let smaller marketers such as you and I to go after them.

    Certain niches will always make tons of money because it's part of people's lifestyles. People will always get married. People will always have pets. People will always worry about their children. People will always want their kids to excel at sports. People will always worry about their health, their aging parents, their acne, etc.

    Man, I love this stuff!

    RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Here is my opinion, it all comes down to time, if you go into small easy niches which you know are making money, it is much easier to get sites up and making money. Now if you go into the dating niches, your dealing with major companies which have serious budgets and already a good rep. So you can risk going into the dating market and you might not succeed or you can go into a niche where you know you can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Take the dating niche as an example. Everyone knows it's an uber-competitive niche. It's also very lucrative to the people know how to compete in it.

      I'm going by memory here but let's just say that the keyword "dating" gets 2 million searches a month. Right there that should tell you that there are are a TON of sub-niches.

      Christian Dating
      Senior / Mature Dating
      Match Making Services
      How To Talk To Women
      How To Stop Your Divorce
      How to Get Your Ex Back
      How To Find A Man and Keep A Man
      How To Give Your Toaster An Orgasm
      RoD
      You forgot the Quaker dating niche :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Originally Posted by enwereuzo View Post

    Hi great warriors,
    Each time i go through this forum i see people even keyword researchers telling you to stay clear off high competitive niche and i do ask myself why.

    One thing i have come to think on my head is that any niche that is competitive, it means there is money there, pure and simple.

    What do you think?

    Enwereuzo.
    Competitive niches are the only way to go (they're proven moneymakers,) it's just a matter of how you can tap into them.

    Here's a couple ways to penetrate competitive niches:

    1. Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. You can follow the followers/friends/subscribers from other people's accounts who provide content to their audience in your niche. If you regularly post to these places with awesome content (especially YouTube), you can get a huge following very quickly, and lots of traffic.

    2. Long tail keywords or product keywords - just because the "Weight Loss" is competitive, doesn't mean phrases like, "How to flatten my stomach fast" are. Competitive niches tend to have more long tail traffic, which is a good thing.

    As far as product keywords, find products related to your offers and put up review pages with your primary offer or autoresponder form at the top. You'll be pulling in buyer traffic for other related products, but turning them into your customers (unless you want to promote those products as an affiliate.) Very easy to rank for Product Name + (Scam / Review / Feedback / Bonus, etc.)

    How many times do you see PayPerClick listings that say "Product Name - Scam?" and then they say that the product is okay in their review, but X is better. Same concept here.

    3. Power affiliates - competitive niches have a lot of marketers with large lists. If you have an offer many will promote yours for a commission and can send volume. Just contact them and have your affiliate materials and offer ready to go; the worse thing to do is contact them asking if they're interested... make it easy.

    4. Forums - these tend to be larger in competitive niches, and there are a lot of ways to leverage them to get traffic, JV partners/affiliates, and build a list. Take the Warrior Forum for example. There are places like this in many other niches where you can soar (more easily.)

    The IM niche is one of the most competitive, yet many people who say, "Go for small niches" are trying to swim in the IM world.... Ironic.

    Cheers,

    Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author yst
    Originally Posted by enwereuzo View Post

    Hi great warriors,
    Each time i go through this forum i see people even keyword researchers telling you to stay clear off high competitive niche and i do ask myself why.

    One thing i have come to think on my head is that any niche that is competitive, it means there is money there, pure and simple.

    What do you think?

    Enwereuzo.
    I read somewhere that in small markets, you grow faster but you're growth also stunts faster. The opposite with big, highly competitive niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author kline2010
    theres nothing wrong in high competitive niche. Just make sure that you have the time,energy and resources to compete.
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    • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
      I met some one recently who manages online advertising for a large client.They have 3000 domains linked together, 200,000 hits per day and over 1 million backlinks. Is your budget big enough to push some one like that down the search results page so you can get in front of them?
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  • Profile picture of the author imrozz
    In that case you will definitely have BIG competitors who are have in the business and you need to work very very hard to combat them. So best of luck. Its better to select sub niches where those big warriors are away and you can get some business.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunnySahu
    There's nothing wrong in that. There's nothing wrong in going for niches with low competition, either. One will take greater amount of efforts and time to crack the first few pages of rankings than the other but other than that, both ways make you money.

    Choose whatever suits you.
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