What Do You Think About Faked Screenshots?

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Hi,

I just want to know your opinion about faked screenshots of ClickBank account, balance in PayPal, etc.

It's really easily faked, so do you buy into them?

Or it doesn't matter to you (the screenshots of "proof")?

Thanks,
Michelle
#faked #screenshots
  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I don't even take screenshots into account...I'll know without a screenshot whether I can make money with something or not...know what I mean?
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    • Profile picture of the author sligon00
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      I don't even take screenshots into account...I'll know without a screenshot whether I can make money with something or not...know what I mean?

      You're one smart cookie

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Faked anything is a problem.

    I don't use screenshots, but I do use testimonials.

    Now, a lot of people say they never read them because they think all of them are fake. But I know mine are NOT fake. Also, there are those who DO look at testimonials. So, I'm not likely to lose buyers who don't read them, but I may GAIN buyers who DO read them.

    I guess the same could be said about PayPal and other screenshots. Assuming they are real then I see no problem with including them. If they are fake, then the person posting them should be strung up by their thumbs!

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I assume that all screenshots used as proof of income are fakes. All of them. Put one in a salespage, and your chance of selling to me drops dramatically.

      Even if they're not fakes, they're deceptive, in the sense that they look way too much like income promises.


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      • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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        Newbies who are new to IM or affiliate marketing believe them,.... up until they realise they can be made on photoshop.
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  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    Here's the thing.. when people claim they've made X amount with their technique, there's a demand to show proof of earnings, and when people show proof of earnings, they are called liars.

    It's a catch-22 for most honest marketers.

    And this true for the biggest names in our industry, a lot of them making claims of X million in X days, which I have no reason to doubt. They all show proof of earnings which seem to help their sales.

    I don't use screenshots myself because I know there's always going to be people who don't believe it's possible to make very good money from the web (which is true.. for them) .. so why bother.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I scroll right past income screen shots for three reasons:

    1. Many are fake, and because of that, you can't believe any of them.
    2. Even if true, it doesn't mean I'd get the same results.
    3. Even if true, a person could have spent $10k to make $7k so really lost $3k.

    I don't believe testimonials for the same reason, unless I know and trust the person giving the testimonial.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Well really depends upon who is in the fake screenshot ... I mean showing fake earnings is one thing but having a "real sexy babe" (like Alexa Smith) showing those earnings is another thing...

    I actually might buy if she was showing the earnings even if the earning are fake ...

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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Allen
    I don't pay much attention the earnings screenshots anymore. They are faked way to often. When you have been around the block a few times you can really sense these things.

    I don't create many products because that is not my niche but when I do I don't even include screenshots because no one puts to much stock into those.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunjamie2005
    I am embarrassed to say this but when I first starting learning about internet marketing, I came across tons of screen shots. I actually believed them (b/c I didn't know there was a way to fake them).
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  • Profile picture of the author lainehmann
    It's hard to know what/who to believe online. I'm fairly new to IM, and it's all so overwhelming to me. Even in circles like this one, I wonder who's promoting something because they think it really works, or b/c they're getting a nice affiliate fee.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichelledGrace
    So is it a good idea to post REAL (but not that impressive) screenshots of income on my sales page? I want to target newbies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liesel
      I think that is going to have to be your decision. 1 of 3 things is probably going to happen. 1. People will believe your screen shots and decide to purchase or not purchase based on the amount shown; 2. People (natural skeptics) will be turned off by the screen shots and not purchase; or 3. People will skim right over the screen shots because they don't believe them anyway and purchase or not purchase based upon the strength of your sales copy.

      I would focus more on the sales copy than posting screen shots. Also, make sure the product gives an in depth explanation of whatever you're teaching and mention that in your sales letter. Too often the crucial info is left out.
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      • Profile picture of the author proaffiliate26
        I prefer video proof, as it is much more secure than screenshot proof.

        For example, look at this faked screenshot (on purpose):
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        http://www.buymystupidebook.com/
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by proaffiliate26 View Post

          For example, look at this faked screenshot (on purpose):
          Aren't all faked screenshots on purpose? I can't imagine how you could accidentally fake a screenshot.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
          Originally Posted by proaffiliate26 View Post

          I prefer video proof, as it is much more secure than screenshot proof.

          For example, look at this faked screenshot (on purpose):
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          http://www.buymystupidebook.com/
          While this is sometimes true, it's not foolproof. If someone really wanted to do it, they could save a cached copy of any page and modify the HTML. You can also modify the HTML on the fly with firefox plugins. If they wanted to look really genuine, they can run an internal webserver with a bunch of fake pages and use their HOSTS file to make it look like google.com is in their browser.

          With enough effort, I could show you a video of me opening up a browser, logging into adsense and showing you that I make $100,000 a day without anyone being able to spot it as a fake.

          That being said I don't think all screenshots and videos are faked, but always take them with a grain of salt. Do some google and forum searches and see what people are actually saying about them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      I hate screenshots. If you need a solid proof, a video is the way. It's very difficult to fake videos.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by K Goel View Post

        I hate screenshots. If you need a solid proof, a video is the way. It's very difficult to fake videos.
        I can redirect any hostname to any IP address, so when I type www.paypal.com into my browser, it goes to any machine I want. How hard is it to fake a website?

        I'm of the opinion that Clickbank should provide some sort of API for people to expose results, so someone can go to Clickbank from their own machine, enter some passphrase or other - and get the actual results verified by Clickbank.

        EDIT: Ooh, here we go... enter a Clickbank ID, a date range, and an amount. Clickbank comes back and says simply "Confirm" or "Deny." So when someone says "here is my CB account from date X to date Y with $12,000 in it" all you need is their CB name and you can get CB to say "yep, there was $12,000 there all right."
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
        Originally Posted by K Goel View Post

        I hate screenshots. If you need a solid proof, a video is the way. It's very difficult to fake videos.
        As I said earlier, a person can setup an internal web server, change their HOSTS file and create fake pages that are identical to Google, or whatever site they're trying to fake. Then they can build a video of them typing in google.com/adsense, logging in and showing whatever they want. Yes it's a lot of work to fake something but I can guarantee you people have done it, and will do it if it's profitable enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Morgan View Post

          As I said earlier, a person can setup an internal web server, change their HOSTS file and create fake pages that are identical to Google, or whatever site they're trying to fake. Then they can build a video of them typing in google.com/adsense, logging in and showing whatever they want. Yes it's a lot of work to fake something but I can guarantee you people have done it, and will do it if it's profitable enough.


          Its not even that difficult.. you can just use javascript, change the page totally and take a screenshot totally bypassing the need for all that work.
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  • Profile picture of the author James12C
    Yep - I fell for them at the beginning! But it's like testimonials as well - ever followed through on the web addresses?

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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      I love faked screenshots. I keep one of my PayPal Account, and of my ClickBank stats sitting on my desk all time with next months, next quarters, and next years goals in them.

      Using them in advertising would be completely out of the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by MichelledGrace View Post

    I just want to know your opinion about faked screenshots of ClickBank account, balance in PayPal, etc.
    Never believed them. In fact, the more you point to them, the less I believe YOU. I want to believe that you know the stuff you're going to teach me, not that you made a lot of money. That's not proof to me. Income and earnings aren't the issue. Knowledge and expertise are.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    thats how Shoemoney got famous imo and now he holds up REAL screenshots because everyone believed his FAKE ones
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    If I find something was faked (testimonial, CB screenshot, whatever,...) I not only do not buy the product, but I will NEVER buy any product from that person.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by lainehmann View Post

      It's hard to know what/who to believe online. I'm fairly new to IM, and it's all so overwhelming to me. Even in circles like this one, I wonder who's promoting something because they think it really works, or b/c they're getting a nice affiliate fee.
      You can only promote through your sig file, and this is the first part of Rule #5 regarding that:

      (5) No Affiliate Links Allowed - Promote Your Own Domain/s Only.

      In the WSO forum you're only allowed to promote your own products, so you shouldn't see anyone promoting affiliate products here.

      Originally Posted by K Goel View Post

      I hate screenshots. If you need a solid proof, a video is the way. It's very difficult to fake videos.
      Don't kid yourself, video is easily faked as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Don't kid yourself, video is easily faked as well.
        This is so true ... I would still buy though if that sexy babe Alexa Smith was in the video

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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          This is so true ... I would still buy though if that sexy babe Alexa Smith was in the video

          James
          And I'll bet you'd overpay if she was wearing a bikini like Keven Riley's friend was wearing in that video he posted today!

          There you go Alexa, you've just been handed a guaranteed sale.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            And I'll bet you'd overpay if she was wearing a bikini like Keven Riley's friend was wearing in that video he posted today!

            There you go Alexa, you've just been handed a guaranteed sale.
            you know it ...

            James
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            And I'll bet you'd overpay if she was wearing a bikini like Keven Riley's friend was wearing in that video he posted today!
            And overpay even more if she WASN'T wearing the bikini...

            Because honestly, a one piece is much more professional.

            Wait, what did you think I meant? Pervert.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              And overpay even more if she WASN'T wearing the bikini...

              Because honestly, a one piece is much more professional.

              Wait, what did you think I meant? Pervert.
              I think you'd better talk to James about that. He's the one overpaying. My wife uses white out on my screen to cover up any nekkidness. I used to go through a lot of monitors before I learned better.
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  • Profile picture of the author pup
    In the beginning I believed everything I saw, even though I know better, I use Photoshop for my non IM business so I know you can play with pictures. But for some reason I trusted everything I saw, then I got wise. I started visiting this forum and others and learned that you could fake them. Heck I've even seen posts on how to do it (not here).
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Believe me anything you see can be faked...do not be so naive.

    In a way it's good people are getting more hesitant to buy. More trust is needed to get sales these days I fell. It means "Johnny Fly by night" has less chance of making money in 2,000 niches with fake screen shots, testimonials, etc is finding it harder to scam newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    these are just as faked......I hate those videos showing paypal accounts with $100,000+ in them..what is this supposed to prove? (WSO's are full of them says it all) If truth be told many of the big gurus are as guilty as anyone for doing this. I guess it works....

    How about an individual audited verification? Like they have to in the financial services? I'll bet 99.9999% would RUN away from that kind of scrutiny. I wonder why?

    And you know noone has mentioned it is FRAUD and a criminal offence.

    I prefer video proof, as it is much more secure than screenshot proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Fake it till you make it....Many did this and now they are sitting in $5M+ mansions laughing all the way to the bank... :-(

    thats how Shoemoney got famous imo and now he holds up REAL screenshots because everyone believed his FAKE ones
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  • Profile picture of the author Sabiha
    shaunjamie2005 do not feel embarassed we don't know any better when we are a newbie, I used to believe them too but now I know better.

    However I still believe the ones provided by marketers I trust.

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  • Profile picture of the author menj
    I tend to buy products based on testimonials, not screenshots. Somehow written text from other people are more persuasive than pictures.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShirleyS
    A) Most of them are fake. (I'm not a hater! But all of my friend who involve in IM will say they are fake)

    B) Some people claiming they are making $xx,xxx per month, is that net profit? (very tricky)
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    • Profile picture of the author DC Marketing
      I personally do not put any weight on the "screen shot"
      I will usually look into an offer that looks good and see how the
      seller is presenting themselves.
      If the offer is strictly based on "The Screen Shot" then I would most likely move on.
      I do however trust the screen shot if it is from one of my marketing friends, so basically , it all boils down to the offer admin, what is the content like, is this guy/gal have a reputation?
      With so many offers running around, it is easy to get "lost" but the longer you stick around, the easier it gets............Screen Shots..........LOL, It ios a good question but if that's all you are intrigued by, then let it go.

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  • Profile picture of the author raj5
    I think that alot of people do fake thier income screenshots. But for me if i am buying something i dont really take into account the screenshots, i decide on weather the product is good by the sales page and what it actually is, also by looking at unbiased reviews of the product.
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