This is what a fake screenshot looks like - Another Black Eye To the Industry

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Don't worry though...It's only a little fake.

Maybe I'm over reacting, but seriously - WTF.

One more reason to be jaded everyone...Product creators, thank this guy for making it harder for you to run a legitimate business.

Edit: the offer is "closed" so, I have removed the link from the OP.
#black #eye #fake #industry #screenshot
  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    Haha... took me a few looks to find it, but that
    cursor cracked me up.

    I know it's not funny, but it's so damn ridiculous
    that I can't help but laugh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

      Haha... took me a few looks to find it, but that
      cursor cracked me up.

      I know it's not funny, but it's so damn ridiculous
      that I can't help but laugh.
      It's not his fault though dude - his designer did it - more importantly, it's the fault of all those people that don't take action lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      heh I can't believe I spent so much time trying to figure it out.

      Then when I watched the video, it hit me... yep that suspicious cursor... hmmmn - mine doesn't make that switch either.

      I won't spoil the surprise
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    • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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      Even the warehouse in his (rjg's) avtar picture looks like a hide out for suspicious activity!, the warehouse behind his car

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      Sorry just joking, but i couldnt resist that! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Dulisse
    It amazes me that people can make allegations on a forum, and not be held accountable if found to be untrue.

    Ya, I'm not 100 percent sure it is a cursor
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Mark Dulisse View Post

      It amazes me that people can make allegations on a forum, and not be held accountable if found to be untrue.

      Ya, I'm not 100 percent sure it is a cursor
      Reading might help you - He's all but admitted that it was "created"

      Screw it, lets just call it real and call it a day

      I'd kick this guy in the nads If I promoted his product, not try to somehow prove he was innocent after he's as I said all but flat out admitted it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        What I'd like to know is this...

        Why is that WSO still running?

        The guy is obviously a fraud, at least as far as income proof goes.

        Why am I not even surprised by any of this?

        Good catch Jeremy, or whoever caught it.

        No wonder this industry gets such a bad rap.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Reading might help you - He's all but admitted that it was "created"

        Screw it, lets just call it real and call it a day

        I'd kick this guy in the nads If I promoted his product, not try to somehow prove he was innocent after he's as I said all but flat out admitted it.
        Im right with you there.

        If my name was anywhere near this product or i had any relation to promoting it then i would be damn annoyed no matter how much money i made promoting it.

        But then fake screenshots and proof is one of the main things i look for!

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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      Originally Posted by Mark Dulisse View Post

      It amazes me that people can make allegations on a forum, and not be held accountable if found to be untrue.

      Ya, I'm not 100 percent sure it is a cursor
      It's not just the cursor. The graphical bars are not correct. Look at the
      numbers and gap between them compare some of them and you will see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Holy crock of manure! I vote to kick him off the island.
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  • Profile picture of the author money2k
    Does not suprise me. People are always looking to make a quick buck off of people. Really catches up with you in the end. KARMA...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Dulisse
      Perhaps that's why I use video as proof shots. This eliminates those who know there is a java code to edit webpages.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Mark Dulisse View Post

        Perhaps that's why I use video as proof shots. This eliminates those who know there is a java code to edit webpages.
        Perhaps that's why you use video? Don't you know?

        I'm a little confused by your comment. Are you saying you use video because people know screen captures can be faked but they don't know videos can be faked?

        Originally Posted by Riz View Post

        And what about the so called 'guru' testimonials on the sales page? Doesn't say much for their recommendations and rep now does it?

        Shocking
        I was thinking the same thing when I saw them...then I wondered if the testimonials were fake too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
          Deception by someone who(judging by his post count and thanks) doesn't contribute to the community - I seriously hope no Warriors bought the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Silvester
    That's that sort of thing that really
    Pisses me off. Wankers like that
    ruin it for the rest of us.

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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    And what about the so called 'guru' testimonials on the sales page? Doesn't say much for their recommendations and rep now does it?

    Shocking
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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      Originally Posted by Riz View Post

      And what about the so called 'guru' testimonials on the sales page? Doesn't say much for their recommendations and rep now does it?

      Shocking
      Well maybe they didn't know. I respect Alex Goad and I think he puts
      out some great products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Riz View Post

      And what about the so called 'guru' testimonials on the sales page? Doesn't say much for their recommendations and rep now does it?

      Shocking
      The testimonials only said stuff like "good information" "well laid out" type of stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Riz
        Yep, fair enough. Good points.




        Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

        Well maybe they didn't know. I respect Alex Goad and I think he puts
        out some great products.
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        The testimonials only said stuff like "good information" "well laid out" type of stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by Riz View Post

      And what about the so called 'guru' testimonials on the sales page? Doesn't say much for their recommendations and rep now does it?

      Shocking
      You can't really blame them for that. Those testimonials were more than likely made from seeing the product. Not the sales page.

      Product owner asks "Can I use your testimonial on my sales page?"

      They say yeah sure... Most don't say well...let me see the sales page first.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        You can't really blame them for that. Those testimonials were more than likely made from seeing the product. Not the sales page.

        Product owner asks "Can I use your testimonial on my sales page?"

        They say yeah sure... Most don't say well...let me see the sales page first.
        Folks, Don is 100% right on this. You can't crucify people who give
        testimonials because in most cases, all they've done is seen the product
        and give the testimonial based on that alone.

        This is why I am VERY careful about what and who I give testimonials to.

        In fact, if you comb the Internet, you will find my name on very few
        products legitimately. Yes, some people have actually faked my testimonial
        and photo as they have with other marketers. In fact, one of those sales
        pages was posted here about a year or so ago. The funny part was, some
        of the photos weren't even the right person.

        Point is, you can't assume guilt by association because a product creator
        turns out to be shifty.

        Having said that, if you find that you have given a testimonial for a
        product that is being promoted using fake screen prints or whatever, you
        have every right to contact the product creator and demand that he
        remove your testimonial.

        I know that's what I would do.

        Anyway, as Bev has filled us in on the fact that this guy has been banned
        before, non of this surprises me.

        Chalk it up as another rotten apple in the world of Internet marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Riz
        Agreed Don, i already responded to 'affhelper' and Jeremy's posts saying the same.

        I guess i was just a little peeved at the fake screenshot.

        You are right, the quality of the product cannot be compared to having a fake screenshot on the sales page.

        Riz

        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        You can't really blame them for that. Those testimonials were more than likely made from seeing the product. Not the sales page.

        Product owner asks "Can I use your testimonial on my sales page?"

        They say yeah sure... Most don't say well...let me see the sales page first.
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentIn48Hours
    I hope the WSO is discontinued. I hate to see Warriors being ripped off. Good catch Jeremy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave d
    Unfortunately for the scam artist he could have had a good product on his hands but most likely greed and arrogance got the better of him, and I cant believe he still has not taken down or at least rectified his sales page.

    Disgraceful
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Irrespective of the dubious claims, those sort of sales pages, IMO, are looking so tired now :rolleyes:

      I didn't sign up for the video, but I noticed this gem further down the page:

      • 10 ClickbankStealth Core video modules
      • 4 BONUS ClickbankStealth "unseen" video modules that render the first 10 USELESS without them...
      So, without the "bonus" vids, the main product is useless. Classic.



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  • Profile picture of the author money2k
    All this bad press is going to ruin this dude. He should change his salespage before it gets worse. (maybe it's too late)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      Wow. He's removed the screenshots now, but I had to read through it.

      Originally Posted by rjg View Post

      I dont need to justify facts, only the way the image was portrayed by a designer.
      Amazing. Stay away from this guy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by money2k View Post

      All this bad press is going to ruin this dude. He should change his salespage before it gets worse. (maybe it's too late)
      Unfortunately no. The beauty of the Internet for scammers is he can change names, paypal accounts and everything else in a day or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Thats disgusting. As Steven said, the WSO should be pulled immediately.
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    • Profile picture of the author sjarry34
      lol this is ridiculously funny, just goes to show you how desperate some people are... thanks for sharing that sales page it goes to show you that screenshots should not be trusted. How did he not see the cursor when the picture was originally put up?

      I like how he tries to dodge the questioning of it too lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Ghetto
    Thank you for posting this Jeremy, its a shame that my previous thread which started all this got locked... hopefully this one won't !

    Here's a link to the original thread which contains the screenshot:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...IRG9ei2wrZNFem
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    • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
      Originally Posted by Ghetto View Post

      Thank you for posting this Jeremy, its a shame that my previous thread which started all this got locked... hopefully this one won't !

      Here's a link to the original thread which contains the screenshot:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...IRG9ei2wrZNFem
      I don't know this vendor from Adam, but before we fry this guy over a cursor, have a look at my screen shots.

      One of my machines is a Vista machine. I use firefox and have been able to place a cursor in a web page like this since I installed my Logicool bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

      In the warrior screen shot I have placed the cursor after "Clive video software" and in the CB screen shot I have placed the cursor in a similar position that he has it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by David McGimpsey View Post

        I don't know this vendor from Adam, but before we fry this guy over a cursor, have a look at my screen shots.

        One of my machines is a Vista machine. I use firefox and have been able to place a cursor in a web page like this since I installed my Logicool bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

        In the warrior screen shot I have placed the cursor after "Clive video software" and in the CB screen shot I have placed the cursor in a similar position that he has it.
        The guy already admitted his "web designer" or something like that made the image for him.
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        • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          The guy already admitted his "web designer" or something like that made the image for him.
          Oh ok, I didn't see that part... Apologies.
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        • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          The guy already admitted his "web designer" or something like that made the image for him.
          even if he got somebody to make it, shouldnt he of at least questioned it himself lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by David McGimpsey View Post

        I don't know this vendor from Adam, but before we fry this guy over a cursor, have a look at my screen shots.

        One of my machines is a Vista machine. I use firefox and have been able to place a cursor in a web page like this since I installed my Logicool bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

        In the warrior screen shot I have placed the cursor after "Clive video software" and in the CB screen shot I have placed the cursor in a similar position that he has it.
        Even without that...He has pretty much admitted that it was a fake in the thread prior to this thread being made...

        I'm running vista as well though, and I can't get the cursor to place on a screenshot on my clickbank account like that though...
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        • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Even without that...He has pretty much admitted that it was a fake in the thread prior to this thread being made...
          OK, I didn't see that part.

          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          I'm running vista as well though, and I can't get the cursor to place on a screenshot on my clickbank account like that though...
          It's only been happening since I started using a Logicool bluetooth keyboard and mouse with Vista.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by David McGimpsey View Post

        I don't know this vendor from Adam, but before we fry this guy over a cursor, have a look at my screen shots.

        One of my machines is a Vista machine. I use firefox and have been able to place a cursor in a web page like this since I installed my Logicool bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

        In the warrior screen shot I have placed the cursor after "Clive video software" and in the CB screen shot I have placed the cursor in a similar position that he has it.
        That's not the point. His decision to make excuses about his web designer being at fault speaks volumes. If it were my page and my claims, and somebody challenged me, and the claims were true, then I would shoot them down pretty quickly with further proof.

        This guy sidesteps and makes vague diversions about different income claims that are not related. THAT is a tad too suspicious if you ask me, more than the original issue.

        If someone challenged YOU, just think how you would act if YOU were right and you knew they were wrong. Then compare that to this guy's behaviour and come to your own conclusions.
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        • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
          Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

          That's not the point. His decision to make excuses about his web designer being at fault speaks volumes. If it were my page and my claims, and somebody challenged me, and the claims were true, then I would shoot them down pretty quickly with further proof.

          This guy sidesteps and makes vague diversions about different income claims that are not related. THAT is a tad too suspicious if you ask me, more than the original issue.

          If someone challenged YOU, just think how you would act if YOU were right and you knew they were wrong. Then compare that to this guy's behaviour and come to your own conclusions.
          Point well made and taken.
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by Ghetto View Post

      Thank you for posting this Jeremy, its a shame that my previous thread which started all this got locked... hopefully this one won't !

      Here's a link to the original thread which contains the screenshot:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...IRG9ei2wrZNFem

      OK - I'm never saw the fake screen shot - and I don't have an opinion on this guys WSO or his honesty, but what I do see is THE GOOD OLD BOY network at work.

      Ghetto couldn't get his claim / concerns to stick (thread was mysteriously locked.) Why? Probably because Ghetto is new here.

      However, because an established Warrior decided to go against written policy and take up a concern about a WSO in the main forum . . . his thread is allowed to linger.

      The main overriding rule for this forum is this:

      If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
      When other established Warriors state:

      PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

      and more chime in with similar comments of outrage, I see unfairness - plain and simple.

      There was a recent post by a relative newbie asking if a different and well established Warriors income claims were real - and he got mauled with negative comments and his post was promptly removed.

      Post count doesn't mean honesty or lack of it.

      Why is it not ok to question an established Warrior, but it's OK to bash a new one, who's product had made it through the approval process?

      I'm just sayin....

      :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

        OK - I'm never saw the fake screen shot - and I don't have an opinion on this guys WSO or his honesty, but what I do see is THE GOOD OLD BOY network at work.

        Ghetto couldn't get his claim / concerns to stick (thread was mysteriously locked.) Why? Probably because Ghetto is new here.

        However, because an established Warrior decided to go against written policy and take up a concern about a WSO in the main forum . . . his thread is allowed to linger.

        When other established Warriors state:

        PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

        and more chime in with similar comments of outrage, I see unfairness - plain and simple.

        There was a recent post by a relative newbie asking if a different and well established Warriors income claims were real - and he got mauled with negative comments and his post was promptly removed.

        Post count doesn't mean honesty or lack of it.

        Why is it not ok to question an established Warrior, but it's OK to bash a new one, who's product had made it through the approval process?

        I'm just sayin....

        :confused:
        Have a look at the other thread that got locked.

        The moderator who locked it even stated in the thread the reason it was locked. He said that you're not allowed to discuss WSO's in the Product Review section.

        This thread is also against the rules and I'm sure it'll get deleted soon. (Although I hope it doesn't)

        It has nothing to do with post count.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

        OK - I'm never saw the fake screen shot - and I don't have an opinion on this guys WSO or his honesty, but what I do see is THE GOOD OLD BOY network at work.

        Ghetto couldn't get his claim / concerns to stick (thread was mysteriously locked.) Why? Probably because Ghetto is new here.

        However, because an established Warrior decided to go against written policy and take up a concern about a WSO in the main forum . . . his thread is allowed to linger.



        When other established Warriors state:

        PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

        and more chime in with similar comments of outrage, I see unfairness - plain and simple.

        There was a recent post by a relative newbie asking if a different and well established Warriors income claims were real - and he got mauled with negative comments and his post was promptly removed.

        Post count doesn't mean honesty or lack of it.

        Why is it not ok to question an established Warrior, but it's OK to bash a new one, who's product had made it through the approval process?

        I'm just sayin....

        :confused:
        Here is the honest to gods truth...

        Report the thread if you don't think it should be here...If enough people feel the same way...it will go away.

        The thread in the review section was locked because it was about a WSO - that isn't allowed.

        I'm not bad mouthing the product creator - I'm just pointing out that the screen shot was fake.

        This thread isn't the first or the last one that will address fake screen shots or other shady things that happen. I wasn't reporting on something that was an opinion or that was in question - I was reporting on something that was an established fact.

        and if you dig through enough of my threads, you will soon see that I've had more than my fair share of threads deleted and in my opinion censored...so, it isn't any conspiracy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
          Here is the honest to gods truth...

          Report the thread if you don't think it should be here...If enough people feel the same way...it will go away.

          The thread in the review section was locked because it was about a WSO - that isn't allowed.
          I got that, but why locked instead of deleted?

          I'm not bad mouthing the product creator - I'm just pointing out that the screen shot was fake.
          Man eating popcorn - that's not bad mouthing? (oh - nevermind, that was in the WSO thread - not here.)

          This thread isn't the first or the last one that will address fake screen shots or other shady things that happen. I wasn't reporting on something that was an opinion or that was in question - I was reporting on something that was an established fact.
          Don't get me wrong - I'm glad you reported this. My point has always been that it APPEARS to me that moderation seems biased at times. Also, I've only been around since Dec 09 and I hadn't seen these threads about faked screenshots before (at least not ones where someone here was being called out for one.)

          and if you dig through enough of my threads, you will soon see that I've had more than my fair share of threads deleted and in my opinion censored...so, it isn't any conspiracy.
          OK, I believe you...... and knowing this helps.

          Like you said in the beginning - if enough people complain, a thread, any thread is more likely to get removed.

          Perhaps it is the Members are Moderators system, (not the Good Ol Boy network,) that is causing the newer Warrior posts which err on the side of potentially crossing-the-line to get removed quicker, and not some cigar smokin mod lookin out for his long time buddy.

          I stand - corrected.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            My point has always been that it APPEARS to me that moderation seems biased at times.
            It doesn't just appear that way. It IS that way, quite often. And for good reason.

            See my previous response to you on this topic.


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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              So, let me get this straight - It is OK to complain about another Warrior, a Guru or God if you've got a screen shot with proof that they suck?
              Do you understand the difference between bashing a person and bashing a technique?

              If not, the educational deficiency is not our challenge. If so, why are you pushing this?


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              • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Do you understand the difference between bashing a person and bashing a technique?

                If not, the educational deficiency is not our challenge. If so, why are you pushing this?


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                Oh -so that's what it comes down to now. I suppose you're faulting my technique and not bashing me - so I won't take it personally.

                I'm not intending to push anything, just voicing my opinion.

                Chill....
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                  Chill....
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Mostly Clueless,
                  Oh -so that's what it comes down to now. I suppose you're faulting my technique and not bashing me - so I won't take it personally.
                  You play the "Good Old Boys" card, and you don't expect some slappage for such conspiratorial silliness?

                  Please. You're clueless, not stupid.


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                  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Mostly Clueless,You play the "Good Old Boys" card, and you don't expect some slappage for such conspiratorial silliness?

                    Please. You're clueless, not stupid.


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                    So...

                    Paul...I know damn well you were behind the fake moon landing! You also have something to do with the Area 51 cover up. Plus don't you even try to say you don't know anything about Riley's mankini pictures circulating around here....
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Don,

                      You know I have more class than to have anything to do with those scandalous mankini pics.

                      Or did you want to consider your IOU called in? Hmmm.... ?


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            • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              It doesn't just appear that way. It IS that way, quite often. And for good reason.

              See my previous response to you on this topic.


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              Sorry Paul - looked, but couldn't find it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Sorry Paul - looked, but couldn't find it.
                And for good reason. I posted it while the thread was in limbo, and it didn't show when I resurrected it. Should have been where post 46 is in the thread now.

                Ego te absolvo... Here's the original.


                MostlyHarmless,
                OK - I'm never saw the fake screen shot - and I don't have an opinion on this guys WSO or his honesty, but what I do see is THE GOOD OLD BOY network at work.
                Yep.
                Ghetto couldn't get his claim / concerns to stick (thread was mysteriously locked.) Why? Probably because Ghetto is new here.
                As you can see from the responses, that's not the case.

                That said, I am personally much more likely to remove posts that might be seen as "on the edge" from anonymous posters, especially if they're new, than from an established poster who uses his real name and has a solid track record with his customers. Especially one who's been helpful in the past in rooting out questionable behavior.

                So, yeah... If Good Old Boy Network means long-time members who are identifiable as real people, who have reputations and income at stake when they post, who post useful information on a regular basis, and who go out of their way to help the mods keep the place clean...

                Yeah. The "Good Old Boys" get more slack than nameless newbies who may or may not have other agendas.

                Don't like it? Fine. But you'll need to get over it, because that's not going to change.


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                • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  And for good reason. I posted it while the thread was in limbo, and it didn't show when I resurrected it. Should have been where post 46 is in the thread now.

                  Ego te absolvo... Here's the original.


                  MostlyHarmless,Yep.As you can see from the responses, that's not the case.

                  That said, I am personally much more likely to remove posts that might be seen as "on the edge" from anonymous posters, especially if they're new, than from an established poster who uses his real name and has a solid track record with his customers. Especially one who's been helpful in the past in rooting out questionable behavior.

                  So, yeah... If Good Old Boy Network means long-time members who are identifiable as real people, who have reputations and income at stake when they post, who post useful information on a regular basis, and who go out of their way to help the mods keep the place clean...

                  Yeah. The "Good Old Boys" get more slack than nameless newbies who may or may not have other agendas.

                  Don't like it? Fine. But you'll need to get over it, because that's not going to change.


                  Paul
                  Thanks for not calling me clueless, again!

                  Good thing I have THICK SKIN.

                  I'm over it and in the light of another day, agree with you 100% about not letting nameless newbies run rampant with questionable threads. Just because someone who knows what they are doing and or talking about can get away with something a new person can't - that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

                  Sorry I made such a stink out of this. Truly.

                  (Woops, the WSO is closed - Good)
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                • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  That said, I am personally much more likely to remove posts that might be seen as "on the edge" from anonymous posters, especially if they're new, than from an established poster who uses his real name and has a solid track record with his customers. Especially one who's been helpful in the past in rooting out questionable behavior.

                  So, yeah... If Good Old Boy Network means long-time members who are identifiable as real people, who have reputations and income at stake when they post, who post useful information on a regular basis, and who go out of their way to help the mods keep the place clean...

                  Yeah. The "Good Old Boys" get more slack than nameless newbies who may or may not have other agendas.

                  Don't like it? Fine. But you'll need to get over it, because that's not going to change.


                  Paul
                  This is spot-on IMO. People with credibility and a history of contribution should be given more leeway than random poster A who's just here to get traffic to his affiliate site / WSO.

                  Look at it this way... If you're a guy and you're out with your girlfriend and some friends, cracking jokes and getting rowdy, and one of your mutual friends calls your girlfriend a b***h, it's probably going to be taken in context and laughed off.

                  By the same token, if you're out with your girlfriend, and some random guy bumps into her and says the same thing, you're probably going to either slug him in the mouth, demand he apologizes, or cower and wish you had the stones to stand up to him.

                  Why should it be any different here, especially with this place's potential to be abused?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
                    Fake screenshots are very common now online and it's our duty to highlight them, but here is also the interesting part, a few months back another warrior was posting fake screenshots in their offer which I pointed out and even after that there were STILL people taking up his offer and asking him questions about his system !

                    It got silly as he started renaming the image files and moving them to other folders after they were clearly exposed as fake ( Exact Same image impressions, earnings and CTR for different months ? These figures were in 100,000 plus impressions etc... )

                    Just goes to show how people looking for the "get rich quick and easy" systems seem to lose all sense of reality and don't question the fraud mindset ?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                    Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

                    Look at it this way... If you're a guy and you're out with your girlfriend and some friends, cracking jokes and getting rowdy, and one of your mutual friends calls your girlfriend a b***h, it's probably going to be taken in context and laughed off.

                    By the same token, if you're out with your girlfriend, and some random guy bumps into her and says the same thing, you're probably going to either slug him in the mouth, demand he apologizes, or cower and wish you had the stones to stand up to him.

                    Why should it be any different here, especially with this place's potential to be abused?
                    If one of my friend's called my wife a bitch, I'd slug him too...right before
                    I threw him out of my home and told him I never wanted to speak to him
                    again.

                    But that's just me.
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                    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
                      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                      If one of my friend's called my wife a bitch, I'd slug him too...right before
                      I threw him out of my home and told him I never wanted to speak to him
                      again.

                      But that's just me.
                      lol...

                      Honestly, Steve... the word bitch is not as insulting in some places..

                      I can understand why you would have this reaction... but in some sections of society, using the word bitch... really isn't that big of a deal. At least, not between friends

                      Jus Sayin'

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                      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

                        lol...

                        Honestly, Steve... the word bitch is not as insulting in some places..

                        I can understand why you would have this reaction... but in some sections of society, using the word bitch... really isn't that big of a deal. At least, not between friends

                        Jus Sayin'

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                        Yeah, when referring to my wife, I'm more concerned with words that start with W,S, and C
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                        • Hi All,

                          Thanks for this enlightening thread.

                          Its been most helpful. Not only concerning Fake Screen-shots
                          and non ethical practices of some marketers but also about
                          what you can say in this forum as well.

                          Its been quite an eye opener. I read every single posts one by
                          one. It was nice to get some humor in between such a heavy
                          topic. I now know what to look for in a screen-shot, but like it
                          was mentioned before. Screen-shots don't really impress me.
                          Its what others say about a program (other than on the creators
                          site) that's unbiased that's really the social proof that one should
                          look for.

                          And if someone ( a friend) called my wife a bitch, hes not really
                          a friend but just some disrespectful individual in my book. I guess
                          its OK to some if that "friend" called their mother one as well.
                          We fail to understand the true power of words.

                          Just my 2 cents
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                          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                          Yeah, when referring to my wife, I'm more concerned with words that start with W,S, and C
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

        OK - I'm never saw the fake screen shot - and I don't have an opinion on this guys WSO or his honesty, but what I do see is THE GOOD OLD BOY network at work.

        Ghetto couldn't get his claim / concerns to stick (thread was mysteriously locked.) Why? Probably because Ghetto is new here.

        However, because an established Warrior decided to go against written policy and take up a concern about a WSO in the main forum . . . his thread is allowed to linger.



        When other established Warriors state:

        PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

        and more chime in with similar comments of outrage, I see unfairness - plain and simple.

        There was a recent post by a relative newbie asking if a different and well established Warriors income claims were real - and he got mauled with negative comments and his post was promptly removed.

        Post count doesn't mean honesty or lack of it.

        Why is it not ok to question an established Warrior, but it's OK to bash a new one, who's product had made it through the approval process?

        I'm just sayin....

        :confused:
        It has nothing to do with some imaginary "Good Old Boy" network. It has nothing to do with who said the post should be removed. In fact, it has very little to do with this post.

        The reason I didn't make the same comment in the other thread you reference is because I didn't see it. Also, I would have only made the comment to leave a similar thread intact if someone else suggested it be removed.

        It IS okay to question any Warrior, as long as it's done the right way. Nobody is above the law here, and your implication that I am somehow part of a conspiracy, or that my motives are working AGAINST any member of the WF is insulting.

        I will quote your words again, and I stand by them...

        PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

        If you think it is unfair to expose scammers, then I have to wonder what your option is. Would you prefer to let them run rampant? If so, I have to question YOUR motives.

        All the best,
        Michael

        p.s. For the record, Jeremy has definitely had plenty of his posts nuked. Maybe more than the average poster. Know why? Because some people don't like to hear how things really are. (There were some that were nuked for other reasons)
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Broadhurst
          I agree with virtually everyhting said in this thread however I wonder how many posts there would be if we went by "those without sin cast the first stone"...................

          Just a thought.
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        • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          It has nothing to do with some imaginary "Good Old Boy" network. It has nothing to do with who said the post should be removed. In fact, it has very little to do with this post.

          The reason I didn't make the same comment in the other thread you reference is because I didn't see it. Also, I would have only made the comment to leave a similar thread intact if someone else suggested it be removed.

          It IS okay to question any Warrior, as long as it's done the right way. Nobody is above the law here, and your implication that I am somehow part of a conspiracy, or that my motives are working AGAINST any member of the WF is insulting.

          I will quote your words again, and I stand by them...

          PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THREADS LIKE THIS TO BE REMOVED, WE NEED TO EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS

          If you think it is unfair to expose scammers, then I have to wonder what your option is. Would you prefer to let them run rampant? If so, I have to question YOUR motives.

          All the best,
          Michael

          p.s. For the record, Jeremy has definitely had plenty of his posts nuked. Maybe more than the average poster. Know why? Because some people don't like to hear how things really are. (There were some that were nuked for other reasons)
          Hey Michael, I'm sorry to have led you to believe I was insulting you. I don't think you or anyone is a part of a conspiracy.

          I'm glad to see this post is back. I actually agree with you that we need to see who's doing bad stuff.

          It's just that I've noticed so many newer people not getting the same chance - that's all.

          In fact, if this post was started (originated) by me, it would be long gone - most likely.

          Apologies to those who may be part of the aleged Good Ol Boy Network - but there really does seem to be a standard of moderation which changes according to established vs newbie - regardless of content.

          Also, I was not implying you should have seen the other thread. I was talking about the OP using that thread to continue his concerns (which I gather from reading the rules is the only appropriate place?)
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          • Profile picture of the author A Bary
            This thread has to be sticky...

            It's an amazingly informative and hilarious thread
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post


            In fact, if this post was started (originated) by me, it would be long gone - most likely.
            I'm willing to bet that if you find a screen shot that the creator admits to faking and post it here...your thread won't go anywhere
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            • Profile picture of the author kswr123
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              I'm willing to bet that if you find a screen shot that the creator admits to faking and post it here...your thread won't go anywhere
              Right - it's back to the ole post count war again.

              LISTEN (not jeremy, but others):

              Bev clement made an AWESOME thread about it. Just read it, and realise that it's all fair - there is no 'old boys network' and I think that suggesting that is an indictment of yourSELF to suggest that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              I'm willing to bet that if you find a screen shot that the creator admits to faking and post it here...your thread won't go anywhere
              I'd probably miss it to begin with.

              So, let me get this straight - It is OK to complain about another Warrior, a Guru or God if you've got a screen shot with proof that they suck?

              Just wanna be clear on the rules here.

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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

                I'd probably miss it to begin with.

                So, let me get this straight - It is OK to complain about another Warrior, a Guru or God if you've got a screen shot with proof that they suck?

                Just wanna be clear on the rules here.

                It is OK to complain about the practices and actions; the more proof, the better. In this case, the proof just so happened to be easiest to access in another Warrior's thread.

                It started out as a complaint/alert on a fake screenshot. Not an attack on the Warrior doing it.

                That's my understanding anyway.

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              • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
                Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

                I'd probably miss it to begin with.

                So, let me get this straight - It is OK to complain about another Warrior, a Guru or God if you've got a screen shot with proof that they suck?

                Just wanna be clear on the rules here.

                If this thread was titled, "<insert name here> Is Such A Scammer, Nobody Buy His Products!!" or something to that effect, then yes, it would have been deleted.

                This thread is about the deceptive tactic of using a fake screen shot, not about a specific person. It just so happens that there is someone specifically using this technique in the WSO section currently.

                I do understand and agree with you that there is somewhat of a gray area as the person who is using this technique has been named which would appear to be against the rules, however, why do you have a problem with that?

                If someone is clearly doing something as unethical as doctoring screen shots and misleading people on this forum, shouldn't we be aware of it?

                The rule needs to be in place to prevent 100's of threads of people bashing other people because they have nothing better to do, however, I think in some instances where the thread is about a specific tactic a person is using and not about the person directly, they should remain. This being one of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author SP11
          Hi There

          I just wanted to say a big Thank you for alerting us all to this. I have bought so many useless products over the past 2 years which don't do what they say so this is something I now know to look out for if I'm in the market for new stuff in the future.

          It is very useful to us newbies to see things like this!

          I bet he regrets it now!!!

          THank you so much.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    Great, another scammer. Thanks for pointing this out. Not I like I buy from sales pages like that anyway...or avatars like that scammer.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I didnt see no screenshots?????
    Did the OP remove it??
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    I predict Jeremey's post will be removed before the referenced WSO is.

    [good thing I'm not in the prediction business]
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    What's this guy's real name?


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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    This is not a comment on the specific issue, but a more general trend...

    PLEASE STOP!!!!

    Please stop asking for stuff like this to be removed.

    It should stay up there for all to see, but with any links to the product completely removed.

    I know it's our forum, but too many of us want to get trigger happy in removing threads. But by doing that we are removing proof of scamativity.

    That's my take on it.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author FSchmieder
    Funny. The one thread a few weeks back about natural cures disappeared way faster...
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Funny. The one thread a few weeks back about natural cures disappeared way faster...
      Wow. That's amazing. A thread disappeared, and you object. Who posted it, what was it about, and why does that have anything to do with this discussion?


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  • Profile picture of the author JohnHuizinga
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Morgan View Post

    Wow. He's removed the screenshots now, but I had to read through it.
    Originally Posted by macchiavelli View Post

    I didnt see no screenshots?????
    Did the OP remove it??
    It's still on here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Well done Jeremy.

    The person in question has been banned before, well let's say it wasn't a pretty site in the run up to the ban.

    Everytime Ray Johnson runs a WSO there are problems.

    Enough said.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    I'm pretty sure Ray Johnson was banned back when I was moderating here, and that's been awhile. Surely he wouldn't be flying a new forum ID if he weren't banned. A help desk ticket bringing attention to his identity has been submitted.

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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    OMFG - (sorry if this has already been said btw, I was just skimming)

    Look at the site now, the FRIDAY about half way down the shot still has the cursor for editing in word, that 'I' shaped one.

    Ray, sir, you are a royal dumbass.
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      All I know is we can't use this now... People always can seem to be able to tell they are fake...

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          Don, you are a maniac.

          I admire that in a person...
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          • Profile picture of the author zerofill
            Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

            All I know is we can't use this now... People always can seem to be able to tell they are fake...

            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Don, you are a maniac.

            I admire that in a person...
            Well I can't take total credit for that...I stole it off one of Riley's sales pages...Muhahaha
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              Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

              Well I can't take total credit for that...I stole it off one of Riley's sales pages...Muhahaha
              I've filed a DMCA charge.
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              • Profile picture of the author zerofill
                Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                I've filed a DMCA charge.
                Blah they will never catch me....packing now...
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                I always blame my designer's outsourced intern........
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

              Well I can't take total credit for that...I stole it off one of Riley's sales pages...Muhahaha
              You dumb ass - Never admit to doing it yourself...

              Blame it on the "designer" lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Gee S
        Did you just rip that off my sales page?!

        That screenshot is real I tell you...REAL! Don, you can't be using other people's screenshots in your sales pages. Take it don't now!

        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        All I know is we can't use this now... People always can seem to be able to tell they are fake...

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    Can the WF admins ban his IP or is he constantly proxying?
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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    With a cheap flip cam can't any seller just film their PC monitor and then log into their account(s) if they are accused?

    If someone filmed themself starting up their computer, going online and then logging into their account I can't see how anyone could argue with that.

    A 5 minute job to set the record straight if a screenshot is genuine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      If someone filmed themself starting up their computer, going online and then logging into their account I can't see how anyone could argue with that.
      A tiny bit harder to fake, but only that. A tiny bit.

      This could be done in ways that would look 100% genuine to anyone watching them. Even down to the URLs in the browser location bar.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        A tiny bit harder to fake, but only that. A tiny bit.

        This could be done in ways that would look 100% genuine to anyone watching them. Even down to the URLs in the browser location bar.


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        Paul, I'm gonna play a little bit devil's advocate here so bear with me.

        If that's the case, and income proof really is unverifiable, then what would
        be the point of it?

        And if one were to leave it off of a sales page, wouldn't that go against
        one of the main principles of copywriting...social proof?

        I guess what I am saying is, it seems you're damned if you do and damned
        if you don't.

        What's your 2 cents on this?
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          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          And if one were to leave it off of a sales page, wouldn't that go against one of the main principles of copywriting...social proof?
          I know it's semantics... but proof of earnings isn't social proof.

          The best social proof is to have lots of people talking about how great you are somewhere other than your site, which you can quote ON your site. IMHO.
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          • Profile picture of the author zerofill
            Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

            I know it's semantics... but proof of earnings isn't social proof.

            The best social proof is to have lots of people talking about how great you are somewhere other than your site, which you can quote ON your site. IMHO.
            Yep...nothing beats word of mouth for pure social proof.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Paul, I'm gonna play a little bit devil's advocate here so bear with me.

          If that's the case, and income proof really is unverifiable, then what would
          be the point of it?

          And if one were to leave it off of a sales page, wouldn't that go against
          one of the main principles of copywriting...social proof?

          I guess what I am saying is, it seems you're damned if you do and damned
          if you don't.

          What's your 2 cents on this?
          Your not damned if you do... There is nothing wrong with putting it on a page if it is real...

          I am sure it means a lot to new people that aren't internet marketers...

          IMers tend to disreguard that though and have an idea is the sales page sounds like the methods could be real or not.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

            Your not damned if you do... There is nothing wrong with putting it on a page if it is real...

            I am sure it means a lot to new people that aren't internet marketers...

            IMers tend to disreguard that though and have an idea is the sales page sounds like the methods could be real or not.
            That's the problem Don. Aren't people who are looking for methods to help
            them make money online in fact Internet marketers or home business owners
            or whatever you want to call them?

            They're in the "make money online" niche or market.

            Granted, somebody brand new, and I do mean brand new, probably has
            no clue about faked income proof. But how long until they begin to hear
            it from others? Don't you think one of the first questions they're going to
            ask is, "How can I tell if these people are really making this kind of money?"

            Just makes me wonder how effective this salescopy tactic is compared
            to the old days.
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            • Profile picture of the author zerofill
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              That's the problem Don. Aren't people who are looking for methods to help
              them make money online in fact Internet marketers or home business owners
              or whatever you want to call them?

              They're in the "make money online" niche or market.

              Granted, somebody brand new, and I do mean brand new, probably has
              no clue about faked income proof. But how long until they begin to hear
              it from others? Don't you think one of the first questions they're going to
              ask is, "How can I tell if these people are really making this kind of money?"

              Just makes me wonder how effective this salescopy tactic is compared
              to the old days.
              Truthfully I feel you could get the same mental effect from someone if images where their hook by just throwing an image up with all kinds of dollar amounts floating around on it...that didn't show actual proof of income...if the copy is good. Images of money, bags of money, dollar amounts all over that have nothing to do with proof of income...still will get them excited of the potential.
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              • Profile picture of the author kswr123
                Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

                Truthfully I feel you could get the same mental effect from someone if images where their hook by just throwing an image up with all kinds of dollar amounts floating around on it...that didn't show actual proof of income...if the copy is good. Images of money, bags of money, dollar amounts all over that have nothing to do with proof of income...still will get them excited of the potential.
                tsk tsk. As a designer, my pet hate is OVER-DOING the money on a minisite.

                A few flying notes. Fair enough. but, when you get mlm minisites with what looks like the GDP of America sitting on the header I want to hurl.
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                • Profile picture of the author zerofill
                  Originally Posted by Mubarak Waseem View Post

                  tsk tsk. As a designer, my pet hate is OVER-DOING the money on a minisite.

                  A few flying notes. Fair enough. but, when you get mlm minisites with what looks like the GDP of America sitting on the header I want to hurl.
                  ok ok ...just a dash of $ signs lol
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                  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
                    Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

                    ok ok ...just a dash of $ signs lol
                    Just a couple.

                    You get sites get some with houses, cars, pools, people drowning in money and women. TOO MUCH lol
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              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              That's the problem Don. Aren't people who are looking for methods to help
              them make money online in fact Internet marketers or home business owners
              or whatever you want to call them?

              They're in the "make money online" niche or market.

              Granted, somebody brand new, and I do mean brand new, probably has
              no clue about faked income proof. But how long until they begin to hear
              it from others? Don't you think one of the first questions they're going to
              ask is, "How can I tell if these people are really making this kind of money?"

              Just makes me wonder how effective this salescopy tactic is compared
              to the old days.
              The solution is easy...

              Don't use it

              "Income Proof" isn't all it is cracked up to be.

              REAL social proof is happy customers.. people tweeting and blogging about your stuff. Telling their friends about it.

              When people hear how good your product is from someone else instead of your sales page... then you have social proof.

              Sales copy is just that.. COPY. No screenshots required. Tried and tested in our own product(s)...

              Think about it, Steve. How many sales do you think you have generated from people here, on this very forum, discussing your stuff?... I bet it's a darn sight more than any of the "proof of earnings" shots have brought you.

              Question From Forum Member: Who can recommend a product on Article Marketing?...

              Answer A: Steven Wagenheim is always killer with that stuff!

              Answer B: Waggz will hook you up, he really knows his stuff...

              etc...etc...


              Peace

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              p.s. Things like this are the reason I stopped selling in this niche.. too much politics. I'd rather get down with the French poodle crowd.. more ca$h, less headache
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Steven,
          If that's the case, and income proof really is unverifiable, then what would be the point of it?
          Hoping people believe it.

          Th-th-th-thuh that's all, Folks!


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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        A tiny bit harder to fake, but only that. A tiny bit.

        This could be done in ways that would look 100% genuine to anyone watching them. Even down to the URLs in the browser location bar.


        Paul
        Yep no doubt...
        I mean in reality...there are a lot of smart people using those skills in shady ways.

        You can literally run a local web server at home... change the host file in windows and look like you're actually going to clickbank.com...or wherever you want...

        Not to scare everyone away from IM products (make a living off the internet so thats the last thing we want)...I don't think that is what this thread is about. Just be leery of putting your trust in screenshots and videos...because they don't mean anything in this day and age.
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    There's another one here:

    Internet Mastery Workshop | 27-28 March 2010

    Big hat for the first person to spot it

    (Forgot to say - it's not by Ray this time, although Ray is a complete cretin for doing this)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by B3n View Post

      There's another one here:

      Internet Mastery Workshop | 27-28 March 2010

      Big hat for the first person to spot it

      (Forgot to say - it's not by Ray this time, although Ray is a complete cretin for doing this)
      lmao - java script lines under all the "sep" - haha It's an epidemic

      Also, one of the $1,100 income bars is longer than one of the $1,200 ones, and javascript under the word clickbank at the bottom - and the stuff to the left doesn't like up

      That one needs some work
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        I think a lot of issues when it comes to questions about fake screenshots could be solved by modifying this standard boiler-plate disclaimer that all of the products using stock-photos and made up testimonials are now using...

        "*TESTIMONIALS - All Testimonials are 100% Real and Accurate and the attestants have been remunerated for allowing Automatic Wealth Solution's use of the same. For the sake of customer privacy, Automatic Wealth Solution reserves the right to protect and/or substitute the images of attestants. The images displayed hereon are not the actual images of the attestants. The images displayed hereon have been supplied by Automatic Wealth Solution and are the copyrighted property of Automatic Wealth Solution."

        Just append this:

        "Proof of earnings shown on the sales page is merely a depiction of what may or may not be possible with the product and should be construed as based on either fact or fantasy."

        Along with the usual earnings disclaimer (slightly amended):

        "These claims are not a guarantee of your income, nor are they typical of average participants. Individual results will vary greatly and in accordance to your input, determination, hard work, and ability to follow directions. No person or company can guarantee profits or freedom from loss. Any and all use of this website certifies you are agreeing to our Disclaimer and are completely out of your mind."
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    Well done Jeremy, that was really quick.

    I owe you one big hat!
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    Yeah that designer is fired...he is hiring me fo suuure...after my l337 haX0r image...I pwn'd the original yo!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      Yeah that designer is fired...he is hiring me fo suuure...after my l337 haX0r image...I pwn'd the original yo!
      Hey Don, you back on the sauce again?
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      • Profile picture of the author kswr123
        Hey!

        Just used the code to show you how easy this is:

        Check the attach. - Sorry Don, no harm intended - but your post was directly below mine.

        I *think* - if you edit the numbers on CB the graph bars edit too.

        It kinda makes you think - there must be TONS of people doing this - Kinda dumb that some people STILL get it wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Originally Posted by Mubarak Waseem View Post

          Hey!

          Just used the code to show you how easy this is:

          Check the attach. - Sorry Don, no harm intended - but you're was post directly below mine.

          I *think* - if you edit the numbers on CB the graph bars edit too.

          It kinda makes you think - there must be TONS of people doing this - Kinda dumb that some people STILL get it wrong.
          Yeah but see there is a difference... that one is fake this one is real!!!

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          • Profile picture of the author kswr123
            Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

            Yeah but see there is a difference... that one is fake this one is real!!!

            I agree - yours is infallible.

            Never mind the Firefox spellcheck, never mind the firefox "blueifying" of links, never mind. Never mind that the quote is 4 posts after the citation. Lol nice addition

            Don, I agree - You the man.

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        • Profile picture of the author psresearch
          Originally Posted by Mubarak Waseem View Post

          Hey!

          Just used the code to show you how easy this is:

          Check the attach. - Sorry Don, no harm intended - but your post was directly below mine.

          I *think* - if you edit the numbers on CB the graph bars edit too.

          It kinda makes you think - there must be TONS of people doing this - Kinda dumb that some people STILL get it wrong.
          Is that correct about the graph bars? I've seen videos showing peole editing the numbers, but I don't recall what the graph bars did.

          Anyone know?
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          • Profile picture of the author kswr123
            Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

            Is that correct about the graph bars? I've seen videos showing peole editing the numbers, but I don't recall what the graph bars did.

            Anyone know?
            Last time I made a video about this (before CB changed their branding and their graphs from blue to green graph representations) and it did. Green maybe not. Try it for yourself (but don't, whatever you do, use them as proof!)
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      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      Yeah that designer is fired...he is hiring me fo suuure...after my l337 haX0r image...I pwn'd the original yo!
      Hmmmm... I have rumbled you, you are not zerofill, you must be ZeroCool (aka, Dade Murphy) the game is up.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    I agree about the designer issue - as a designer I will NOT do cb screenshots. If I am expected to handle them - evn putting them in the web page, the question is always raised in my mind.

    Sadly, the internet is just a huge facility that makes crime a lot easier. It won't change in the forseeable future.
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    I don't really believe screenshots of income work any better than stating that you made this this and this if the sales page is done well...

    But that is my opinion and we all know opinions are like...

    Well will let Paul write the rest he does it much more eloquently...doesn't sound so blunt when it is written better lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      I don't really believe screenshots of income work any better than stating that you made this this and this if the sales page is done well...

      But that is my opinion and we all know opinions are like...

      Well will let Paul write the rest he does it much more eloquently...doesn't sound so blunt when it is written better lol.
      Needless to say....I agree.

      We have NEVER even mentioned how much money we make, let alone put an image of it on the internet and we have done OK. Bottom line is, I don't think it is any of anyones business how much money I make or we make collectively.

      Whenever I see a screenshot, I have to be honest - I automatically think it is a fake, whether it is or it isn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author kswr123
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Needless to say....I agree.

        We have NEVER even mentioned how much money we make, let alone put an image of it on the internet and we have done OK. Bottom line is, I don't think it is any of anyones business how much money I make or we make collectively.

        Whenever I see a screenshot, I have to be honest - I automatically think it is a fake, whether it is or it isn't.
        Agreed - You can say it is possible to make $whatever if you use this system correctly.

        On that topic, do you know what else I HATE?

        Those income calculators - put this much time is get this much money out. ARGH!
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    LOL...damnit I didn't know you learned how to edit images now!
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    Whatever happens, don't use JS to edit Steve W's post count back down to 0, he'd freak
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    • Profile picture of the author kswr123
      Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

      Whatever happens, don't use JS to edit Steve W's post count back down to 0, he'd freak
      On it - Sorry Steve mate!
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        Sorry - I'm impulsive like that
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Mubarak Waseem View Post

          Sorry - I'm impulsive like that
          Mubarak...if I have 0 posts...

          How can I be thanked over 3,500 times in over 1,000 posts?

          You really need to work on your editing skills or you'll never make it as
          a true scam artist.
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          • Profile picture of the author kswr123
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Mubarak...if I have 0 posts...

            How can I be thanked over 3,500 times in over 1,000 posts?

            You really need to work on your editing skills or you'll never make it as
            a true scam artist.
            I think that the fact is completely illogical makes me quite an average scam artist, if not one of the better ones

            Only a sharp mind such as yous would spot that error. Not the sheep that I sell to. MUAHAHA
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Mubarak...if I have 0 posts...

            How can I be thanked over 3,500 times in over 1,000 posts?

            You really need to work on your editing skills or you'll never make it as
            a true scam artist.
            Maybe he was showing how to edit the thanked and posts area...but the post count was really 0....hmmm? Reverse psychology...lol
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            • Profile picture of the author kswr123
              Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

              Maybe he was showing how to edit the thanked and posts area...but the post count was really 0....hmmm? Reverse psychology...lol
              You'd better believe it - Waggsy is a MACHINE - those 14K posts were done in the last 5 minutes, and in the last 5 months I went from a mongolian underwater basket weaver to a swanky LA millionaire. And so can you - just oggle my javascript edits and BELIEVE

              Paul - very true. Bottom line - you cannot really be 100% sure of anything any more. I know I'm far too young, I mean FAAAR too young to be talking about the 'good ole' days', but it kinda saddens one that we cannot trust many sales pages any more. Hmph
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    With regards to social proof - nowadays, every time some new fancy piece of done-up-turd gets released (a generalisation, I know) I get lots of emails telling me about it. Word of mouth from lists means NOTHING to me anymore. Only recommendations from real friends and a few WF giants.

    I only have a small handful of lists, including Paul Myers' (which I recommend) which I know won't be spamming me with 'em. That's what devalued social proof
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  • Profile picture of the author Nemanja
    :-)) ahaha, this is great find... nice eye for details

    What are all of you so surprised, there are many fake testimonials and "proofs", do you realy think that somone can make 1.000+++ $ in 2 hours, 1 day or so. And more ridiculous is that this person who is making that kind of money every day is now spending the time and money to create product and sell it for 7 or 17 or what ever $ to pull out maybe +-5.000$ from the sales of that product.
    C'mon people open your eyes and think for god sake...

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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by Nemanja View Post

      :-)) ahaha, this is great find... nice eye for details

      What are all of you so surprised, there are many fake testimonials and "proofs", do you realy think that somone can make 1.000+++ $ in 2 hours, 1 day or so. And more ridiculous is that this person who is making that kind of money every day is now spending the time and money to create product and sell it for 7 or 17 or what ever $ to pull out maybe +-5.000$ from the sales of that product.
      C'mon people open your eyes and think for god sake...

      Nemanja
      Don't think many are surprised about the tactic...everyone knows there are people that use it... often shocked maybe by who does...but the shady tactic itself... I don't think many in this thread are unaware that it is out there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nemanja
        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        Don't think many are surprised about the tactic...everyone knows there are people that use it... often shocked maybe by who does...but the shady tactic itself... I don't think many in this thread are unaware that it is out there.
        Yes I know that there are people who are aware, but great majority of them don't know this. The proof for that you can find on this form if you take a look how many info products was bought and still selling as we speak... Endless threads of success formulas, get rich, earn big $$ and they are the best selling products...

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        • Profile picture of the author kswr123
          Originally Posted by Nemanja View Post

          Yes I know that there are people who are aware, but great majority of them don't know this. The proof for that you can find on this form if you take a look how many info products was bought and still selling as we speak... Endless threads of success formulas, get rich, earn big $$ and they are the best selling products...

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          If you find anyone who is not aware, sending them to this thread would be your good deed for the day.
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          • Profile picture of the author affhelper
            This thread is amazing

            Anyway, I just wanted to point out that you don't need any income
            screenshots to make a sale. I don't remember Frank Kern showing any
            money proof in his prelaunch for Mass Control. Do you? Or Even Andy
            in his new Video Boss product....there is no screenshots with some kind
            of proof. They don't need it.
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    Yes - we are not debating that affhelper - its the "unknown" "underground" guys who suddenly have $ridiculous amount here in a small amount of time.
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    "Apologies to those who may be part of the aleged Good Ol Boy Network - but there really does seem to be a standard of moderation which changes according to established vs newbie - regardless of content."

    A very serious allegation was made. It looked like a well-founded allegation to me so I let the thread stand but I asked for other Warriors to confirm the allegation was serious.

    After they did so, I was quite prepared to let the thread continue, until it became clear that this related to a WSO. At that point, I closed the thread (but did not remove any posts) and indicated where future posts should be made.

    Damn fine moderating IMHO.

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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    ...hmmm nah...I believe you... Probably Jeremy handled the mankini pics
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      MH,
      Thanks for not calling me clueless, again!
      Not your fault when the forum software does something borked. I'm mean, but not pointlessly so.


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      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      ...hmmm nah...I believe you... Probably Jeremy handled the mankini pics
      The operative word in that sentence is handled.

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    A lot of people are faking screenshots, it's just too easy to do. This happens to be a person who has perhaps slipped up.
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      A lot of people are faking screenshots, it's just too easy to do. This happens to be a person who has perhaps slipped up.
      Are you perhaps suggesting that this is acceptable?

      Think before answering.


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    If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.

    I could easily be wrong, but my take on the above is that if you have a disagreement over a payment, product delivery, etc.--that is between the two parties involved only.

    On the other hand, if we look at the WF as a community, which I do--then we must all share some degree of fellowship, respect, and loyalty to the values that hold the community together.

    Advertising is the art of stretching the truth. The words "free, best, exceptional, guaranteed" are used in ads all the time. But they are stretched and we all know that. There is a fail safe point in advertising however. While playing with adjectives is accepted as fair game, doctoring results or data in the name of advertising is not only immoral but illegal.

    I would never question a Forum member's comments about their earnings or success here publicly (even if had my doubts) as that could create a "Pass out the guns and the last man standing here wins" mentality.

    Having said that, when someone provides proof of earnings in order to promote the sale of products here--well, if that proof has been doctored or distorted then as a community member I would be doing a disservice to my friends here if I did not point that out.

    Before doing anything like that I would think it prudent to contact the offending party privately to get their take on the issue. Maybe I was wrong on my interpretation of the situation. I would give them a chance to clear that up privately before I went public with the thing.

    If you are walking down the street and you see a man being beaten to death by two thugs and you do nothing--you are guilty and prosecutable under the law. You don't have to intervene physically, but if you just walk away and you are the only one who can help--you are criminally responsible for not taking some form of action.

    Again, I could be wrong, but if someone is obviously distorting facts or claims related to a product and community members do nothing--then we a nothing but a band of thugs all trying to rob from each other.


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    • Profile picture of the author kswr123
      Originally Posted by EyeExecute View Post

      Bottom line is that way over half of the WSOs that are sold here are either totally fake or doctored copies of other peoples fake WSOs.
      I don't think that's a fair representation at all.
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      Originally Posted by EyeExecute View Post

      Bottom line is that way over half of the WSOs that are sold here are either totally fake or doctored copies of other peoples fake WSOs. Sometimes when I go to ask just a simple implementation question and the OP has NO idea what I'm talking about, I ask for a refund right away, no matter how small the price, just because
      they lied and wasted my valuable time...
      Eye
      That isn't a WSO problem - that is a widespread issue across ALL NICHES. The WSO section itself is SMALL compared to the rest of the stuff that is being sold online.

      Pick up 4 ebooks from any vendor about any specific subject and for the most part, all of them are going to be the same to some extent.

      I don't really see a problem with it though...here's why...

      when I was getting started, I was trying to figure out how to make my own squeeze page. So, I downloaded a couple freebies, and paid for a couple of products that costed money...even after watching them, I still couldn't get the hang of it.

      So, I bought another one - it had the same information in it, but the way the guy explained it through the pdf and the videos, I actually got it and had my own squeeze page complete like an hour after I got done going through the product.

      The way someone explains something and how detailed they are, in my opinion is more important than the actual method or whatever is being taught.

      With that said though, I to do see alot of people "copying" products when they have no clue how to do the stuff themselves. So, they end up looking like idiots when someone asks them a question.

      The good news is, news travels fast So, they usually can't do it more than once or twice before they are exposed.

      I do want to addressed one thing though...

      People talk about the WSO section like it is the only marketplace for these types of products and it isn't - not even close. Hell, the product that we exposed in this thread was a big clickbank launch - More than likely it was never intended to ever even see the light of day in the WSO section.

      It just bothers me when people talk about the WSO section like it is the only place that "bad" things happen - when if you look at it as a whole, it is actually a pretty "clean" place if that makes any sense. The members here do a pretty good job of policing each other.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        when I was getting started, I was trying to figure out how to make my own squeeze page. So, I downloaded a couple freebies, and paid for a couple of products that costed money...even after watching them, I still couldn't get the hang of it.

        So, I bought another one - it had the same information in it, but the way the guy explained it through the pdf and the videos, I actually got it and had my own squeeze page complete like an hour after I got done going through the product.

        The way someone explains something and how detailed they are, in my opinion is more important than the actual method or whatever is being taught.
        That's a very valid point you have there.

        It also depends on the person teaching and the person learning. Sometimes it just isn't compatible with the way the person learns and the way the teacher teaches.
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      • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I do want to addressed one thing though...

        People talk about the WSO section like it is the only marketplace for these types of products and it isn't - not even close. Hell, the product that we exposed in this thread was a big clickbank launch - More than likely it was never intended to ever even see the light of day in the WSO section.

        It just bothers me when people talk about the WSO section like it is the only place that "bad" things happen - when if you look at it as a whole, it is actually a pretty "clean" place if that makes any sense. The members here do a pretty good job of policing each other.
        I agree with you 100% on this one.

        If you've ever tried Safelist marketing or reviewed squeeze pages in exchange for clicks on something like TrafficWitch, where EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM looks the same as the last one and they all promise BIG MONEY, EASY MONEY AND NEVER BEFORE SEEN STRATEGIES - which you can't really check out much before you buy - - - - you'll begin to truly appreciate just how much better off we are in here, where you've got a chance ask the product seller questions, and to see some real feed-back from people you may have learned to trust, or decide not to trust based on what they say or (don't say) in here.
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    • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
      Originally Posted by EyeExecute View Post

      Bottom line is that way over half of the WSOs that are sold here are either totally fake or doctored copies of other peoples fake WSOs.
      That's quite an accusation - have you actually purchased EVERY WSO and verified it's authenticity?

      This statement is a perfect example of the "black eye" that Jeremy is talking about.

      The beauty of the WSO is that you can ask questions and read responses to other members questions before you make your purchase. And you can also look at the reputation of the seller by checking their profile, their previous posts, any infractions they've had and what they have been thanked for.

      The thread that Jeremy was talking about was ratted out pretty quickly, and the sellers profile showed a history of infractions and posts about treating potential customers as "victims". It raised a red flag immediately and this thread is proof of how stuff like this isn't tolerated around here.

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with exercising due diligence before purchasing anything. But to dismiss "way over" half of the WSO's as being frauds is not only unfair, it may cause you to miss out on a product that can really help your business.

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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

        That's quite an accusation - have you actually purchased EVERY WSO and verified it's authenticity?

        This statement is a perfect example of the "black eye" that Jeremy is talking about.

        The beauty of the WSO is that you can ask questions and read responses to other members questions before you make your purchase. And you can also look at the reputation of the seller by checking their profile, their previous posts, any infractions they've had and what they have been thanked for.
        Agreed. There is so much more intelligence to go on when considering a WSO because of the ability to look at not only the seller, but discussions the seller has participated in, what other members are saying about the product - and what types of discussions/contributions they have made, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    Exactly Bill,

    either you are VERY unlikely or a very harsh judge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcel Hartmann
      I'm amazed that people are still faking screenshots. I think video proof is needed from those without a solid reputation from now...
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Originally Posted by Marcel Hartmann View Post

        I'm amazed that people are still faking screenshots. I think video proof is needed from those without a solid reputation from now...
        You mean like a video of them doing their taxes :confused:

        You outta see what I can do with video...

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  • Profile picture of the author MarcMilburn
    Im feeling like Ive missed out on seeing what y'all talking about :-(

    lol.
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