Don't believe it, Post count does count

Thanks Bev...good food for thought.

Granted, I have no life and spend way too much time here, but all my post
count means is that I've been intelligent enough to keep myself from getting
tossed out of here on my ass.

Folks, take a good look at what people here have to say and not how
much of it they have to say.

I have read some excellent posts from people who hardly post at all.

Maybe it's because they're actually too busy out there making money.

It's the quality of the post and not how many WPM somebody can type.

Remember that and you'll usually be just fine when it comes to figuring
out who you can and can't trust around here.

I would pay more attention to the WSO first than worrying about the post count. It could be a future trusted member who has to start somewhere.

Or, like you said it could be a shady user.

"Lurking" is a part of forums. Some people come for the conversation and would rather read than participate. Maybe only certain issues bring them out to post. That should be taken into consideration.

Good advice Bev,

I have come to the conclusion that years ago some saw the future potential of this place and registered accounts for future use and to sell.

George Wright

True Bev -

I agree that there is a trust/post count correlation. We had an example of this a few days ago, but what kinda ground my gears was assuptions of high/low post counters.

Of course, people like yourself, Steven, George and dozens others are shining examples of a high post count/contribution correlation. But there are always anomalies on both sides, and I think that that is something one should be aware of.

Kevin, Steven and Bev - sometimes, yes, what you have to say involves hamsters, etc. But when you three talk seriously, I seriously listen. That comes from lurking for a long time and listening and knowing who to trust. I've been hanging around only about 3 years and I've seen lots of changes but I also see what stays the same and you three are among the valuable assets of this forum that have been there.

Mubarak,

That's why I said the post count should be part of the bigger picture.

Nothing is set in stone on a forum, and some people hate chatting or answering post.

Bev

I totally agree bev, but for me its the high post count that I find worse, more devious and planned, the bad ones who talk nonsense an have little to no experience to say what they say I mean.

I can name some warriors right now who purposly set out to make damn sure there post count was huge,so they then could release a barrage of crap WSO's, and I mean really rehashed crap, but nobody dares question them as they seem to be "part of the furniture" because of the high post count!! Then they just release WSO after WSO and do nothing else!!

For me one of the hardest hurdles in IM was/is knowing who to trust and I honestly don't think there is a short cut to this other than just being involved for a period of time, after a while you can just tell from the way they write and the way they carry themselves, who to listen to and trust.

Well then again, maybe its just me who needs time to judge people, I believe there are people who can do that right of the bat (lucky people).

Thanks
Andy

HEY, anyone remember joe kumar? I'm sure HE had low post count. He BEGGED for advice, got it, begged for content, got it, "hired" someone to write it, etc.... You get the idea. He THEN offered a high commission, and got almost everyone to sell it.

He then sold all the resell rights. ALL of them! He then sold them AGAIN! He did this a couple more times. After the first obvious lie, selling what he did NOT have, MORE lies started coming out.

He went from UNKNOWN to prodigy wunderkind to hated jerk in a matter of months!

It just shows how you have to be careful

Steve

I'm always concerned about the ones that don't have any avatar.

This was a nice post to come back to on the forum I agree, I tend to spy on people a lot to see what they're posting.

Sometimes people just get crazy busy with other things. I haven't been on the forum for a few months now and I never meant to be gone that long. I am guilty of being a huge lurker too. Although it's definitely been great to be busy with projects, I really should make it a point to keep in touch with the warriors. I missed everyone!

Yes, there is a market for people to buy your account here.

I have seen a number of accounts where the writing has changed, and no they didn't sell their account, just hired a bad VA to post for them.

Take a writer who is trying to sell their writing skills and suddenly ever "I" is now "i" and the sentences don't make sense because it is someone who has English as a second language.

Even though it sometimes feels like we're a tight-knit community off in a corner, I never forget that the whole world has access to this place.

Outright scammers never last very long here, but unfortunately, there are a few certain individuals who manage to stay a step above outright and therefore get to stick around.

I've only bought a handful of WSOs, and everyone I've bought a WSO from had 1000+ posts. I also check how many times they were thanked and what the thanks were for.

I joined in February of last year, but didn't really start contributing till last May. Once I got the ball rolling, well...

I'm not on here all the time. Only recently have I been making an effort to be more active. The forum is one of the few places I can interact with like-minded people.

Try talking about this stuff with your wife or friends...it's like me listening to them talk about horse shows or shopping for handbags.

There is a lot of opportunity here also. Although, I don't like hanging out (nor do I have the time or inclination) enough to make WF a place where I spend all day every day.

I am busy and I find the mix of views and topics distracting sometimes. Other times I appreciate them.

Of course post count matters. That's a no brainer....social proof. But I think if you're in here enough like everyone said you can see the quality of posts and pickup on things.

I teach a couple of college courses for fun and I can usually tell when my students writing isn't their own. It isn't just the writing it's the thought process too.

Interesting thread. Thanks

No matter how you put it, high post count will give you an advantage over a low post count. I mean some people might not care about the post count, but majority will so post count does matter.

Also, if you want to sell to the people on a forum then you have to provide value and spend some time on there. It's just not a good idea to start posting WSOs without even trying to get some karma.

Nice post Sorry, just can't help it.

I'm new and mostly just lurk, don't tend to feel like I have anything to really add of quality. The problem is I have insomnia, and the longer I am awake, the more out of it I get. The more out of it I get, the more talkative I get. So most of my posts probably seem rather low on intelligence or ramblings, or just not helpful at all.

And thanks to that recent movie, I really hate the word avatar. Can that word be changed please? I promise to put one up if you'll call it something else.

I'm also a bit reluctant to post anything which doesn't add to the thread (just like this post ). However I do know a 'guru' that is just far too busy to be messing around on forums.

Frankly, this is a silly conversation, isn't it?

I don't have many posts, though I've been a member for over a year I guess and a lurker for more than a year before that...

I even have the WF as my home page, just to motivate me to get more involved and post more actively... eh, didn't work.

Now, if you give me a point for every dollar that I've spent on WSO's or buying products from marketers that I've learned from here during that time, I'd venture to say that my points would rival even Mr. W's...

Though I'm working on it, I personally just don't have the time to sit around reading the WF and posting all day. Studying, reading, working on all of the products I've bought from you guys keeps my learning time pretty well tied up as it is.

The rest of the time, I'm making money copywriting or working on local client sites or, in the past, coaching real estate or working in my other businesses offline.

Recently, I've gone full-time IM... about a year ago, give or take, that keeps me pretty busy personally.

What I find humorous is... what qualifies as a post in most cases is nothing more than socializing and agreeing or even a simple word or phrase like "uh, yup." - and let me see... the person with the most points wins or is king here?

Like I said... silly.

Value is value.

A new member who posts a WSO has some kind of Kahuna's... and I personally want to shake their hand for taking the initiative. Shoot... I think it's also funny that some of you even created products telling people how to do WSO's and how to make a living from this forum ONLY... now, you are upset because they actually read your product and are applying it?

Sheeze...

Shame on you guys for thinking this is only YOUR forum, if that is what is going through your minds... it's everyones forum who Allen allows to be here, right?

At last check, the number of posts one has isn't what qualifies a person to post a WSO... it's the payment of a fee... and the courage to put something together and offer it.

I also think that newbies might not have a lot of posts because they don't feel they have anything to contribute... or, as in my case when I first started lurking a couple of years ago, most of my questions were answered by just reading the conversations already going on AND I didn't feel I had much to contribute.

Not too mention watching you old-timers rip apart some newbie or worse yet, some brave wannabe... not a pretty site. LOL ... not exactly an encouraging motivator to get in here and start swingin' for the faint of heart or those of us who simply don't like conflict.

I've witnessed the evolution and growth of the WF over the years, most of it has been a good thing, I've also seen the decline of the quality of some things here too... hey, the webernet changes so fast it's hard for any of us to keep up sometimes - and things have certainly changed, to be sure.

However, I must also add that the "not so good" changes that I see most are not from the newbies seeking help... just an observation mind you.

I'm also humbled by those who continue to help, share, give, coach, teach, and contribute value year after year... kudo's to you all.

I truly enjoy the forum, even with my low post count, and I'll start to add more value moving forward, now that I have more time and also, because I'm ready to share some of what I've learned over the years, much of which I've learned carefully and painfully or at great cost, and feel that I'm now qualified to engage with something of value.

I don't like to see the quality of the WSO's go down or the War Room conversations devolve into nothing more than "promote fests" either, but things evolve, don't they?

It's also of note that the decline in quality of many WSO's in my opinion isn't only a result of those greedy, shameless newbies who dare to market on a marketing forum... uhm, if I may be so bold.

Value is value... if you can offer it and want to share, GREAT! If you are here as a lurker until you get comfortable enough to share your stories of success or lessons that you've learned, GREAT also!

This forum is for all kinds - it's a resource for learning and sharing and growing. It shouldn't be a place for only those who keep count among themselves.

Hey... maybe I should have spread this out into like 6 posts instead of one longer one.. dang, missed some points again.

Just chiming in... uhm, finally.

It does give some food for thought Bev.

As Steven says, there are some very successful warriors here who have low post counts but run massively successful businesses. It IS probably because they choose to run their businesses, rather than hang around in forums.

Also as mentioned above, low post counts doesn't mean people don't visit regularly. Just means they don't post. Maybe they just read and learn from other people? Who knows!

Tony

Does this mean that I'm doomed for failure?

I have often wondered how people regard post count when you have been a member for a while. I only get on about once a week, so I don't post that often. I guess that might hurt my street cred here, but when i'm not here I'm working on things that make me money. I come here for a break and to try to help newer folks out.

Well most of members just care about post counts for their own sake

Post count matters at times.. becuase people still belive that people who post a lot are active member and senior member of this forum.. and trust them a little more than others..

Ladies and Gentlemen,

There is a fraud going on in this thread. You see,
Kevin Riley and Bev Clement both have similar post
counts. This is living Proof that Bev and Kevin are
in fact the same Person. Beware of them both,
you'll only ever get high quality material from
them/him/her.

You have been warned!

Glenn

PS, if you ever decide to sell your accounts, let
me know