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Hello. I am new to this forum, and this is my first post.

After reading about Internet marketing for about a year, I decided to give it a shot and create my own eBook.

I am a professional writer, so the product creation process was no problem.

Like many of you probably did, I placed my product on the net with a pretty basic sales letter, turned on a small stream of PPC advertising, and waited for my first sale. It's been a few days, and I have yet to sell a single copy!

Can anyone give me some blanket figures for PPC conversion rates with an average sales letter?

Also, if someone could point me in the direction of any great threads on free traffic building or conversion techniques, it would be really appreciated.

Thanks a bunch!
  • Profile picture of the author A Bary
    Did you do your keyword research?

    Which keywords you're bidding on?

    Who the prospects you're targeting?

    Winning in PPC isn't by just putting an ad and wait for a sale
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    • Profile picture of the author Rad Rob
      Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

      Did you do your keyword research?

      Which keywords you're bidding on?

      Who the prospects you're targeting?

      Winning in PPC isn't by just putting an ad and wait for a sale
      The keywords are very cheap and well suited to my product. I doubt my problem is with PPC.
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      • Profile picture of the author A Bary
        Originally Posted by Rad Rob View Post

        The keywords are very cheap and well suited to my product. I doubt my problem is with PPC.
        are they well searched?

        Do they receive any impressions?

        If so and you don't get clicks, then there's a problem with your ad copy , if you get clicks but no sales, then there's a problem with your landing page...

        Try to find where the flaw is and you'll be able to fix it...
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Rad Rob View Post

        The keywords are very cheap and well suited to my product. I doubt my problem is with PPC.
        If you are not getting clicks, then PPC is your problem.

        If you are not getting sales, then PPC might be your problem.

        You're connecting dots.

        1. User searches for "keyword" - your ad appears - user thinks "that ad looks like what I want"

        2. User clicks ad - your sales page appears - user thinks "that product looks like what I want"

        3. User clicks "buy" - your order page appears - user thinks "this order looks like what I want"

        4. User clicks "pay" - your product arrives - user thinks "yes, this is what I want"

        There are two places your PPC ad can go wrong. Your ad can show up, and the user can think "that's not what I want" - or your user can click through, and THEN think "that's not what I want."

        Which step - 1 through 4 - is where your buyers leave?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          If you are not getting clicks, then PPC is your problem.

          If you are not getting sales, then PPC might be your problem.

          You're connecting dots.

          1. User searches for "keyword" - your ad appears - user thinks "that ad looks like what I want"

          2. User clicks ad - your sales page appears - user thinks "that product looks like what I want"

          3. User clicks "buy" - your order page appears - user thinks "this order looks like what I want"

          4. User clicks "pay" - your product arrives - user thinks "yes, this is what I want"

          There are two places your PPC ad can go wrong. Your ad can show up, and the user can think "that's not what I want" - or your user can click through, and THEN think "that's not what I want."

          Which step - 1 through 4 - is where your buyers leave?

          And I thought I had a brain for detail.

          Excellent!

          That's about it in a nutshell.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            I'm sorry. I know some people swear by PPC (particularly adwords) but I think its russian roulette for a new person. If you are going to write an ebook I would go with keyword research for free first page placement on search engine results.

            With the right keyword research and a little optimization you can be on the front page and in the top five in a few weeks. If your sales page stinks at least you won't take a huge dent to your credit card from the adwords bill. You can tweak to your hearts content until you get the close rate you need.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          If you are not getting clicks, then PPC is your problem.

          If you are not getting sales, then PPC might be your problem.

          You're connecting dots.

          1. User searches for "keyword" - your ad appears - user thinks "that ad looks like what I want"

          2. User clicks ad - your sales page appears - user thinks "that product looks like what I want"

          3. User clicks "buy" - your order page appears - user thinks "this order looks like what I want"

          4. User clicks "pay" - your product arrives - user thinks "yes, this is what I want"

          There are two places your PPC ad can go wrong. Your ad can show up, and the user can think "that's not what I want" - or your user can click through, and THEN think "that's not what I want."

          Which step - 1 through 4 - is where your buyers leave?
          This is top-notch analysis, assuming your prospect has reached the point in their personal buying cycle where they are ready to pull the trigger and buy something.

          If your keywords are catching them while they are still deciding IF they need to buy anything, hitting them with a sales page probably isn't going to convert. If that's the case, you'd be better off testing a squeeze page that offered more information along with calls to buy...
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        • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          If you are not getting clicks, then PPC is your problem.

          If you are not getting sales, then PPC might be your problem.

          You're connecting dots.

          1. User searches for "keyword" - your ad appears - user thinks "that ad looks like what I want"

          2. User clicks ad - your sales page appears - user thinks "that product looks like what I want"

          3. User clicks "buy" - your order page appears - user thinks "this order looks like what I want"

          4. User clicks "pay" - your product arrives - user thinks "yes, this is what I want"

          There are two places your PPC ad can go wrong. Your ad can show up, and the user can think "that's not what I want" - or your user can click through, and THEN think "that's not what I want."

          Which step - 1 through 4 - is where your buyers leave?
          Dude...that post rocked on SOOOOOOOO many levels.

          Honestly one of the best posts I've seen on the forum. Should have it's own sticky thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    what niche? some of them are so saturated.. too many ebooks chasing too few buyers.. why not post your website and sales letter so we can take a look

    you said you are a writer, so I assume your sales letter will not be too crappy.. that might not be the problem as far as conversion is conerned
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Can you add a link in your signature to your website were you are offering the book?

      Or can you just tell us the general niche?

      Use the search function on this forum, you will find all kinds of info on traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lady
    Hey Rad try contacting Sara Young she has an awesome approach for us newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    You might want to submit it to ClickBank. If it's any good, someone might pick it up to sell it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    "I Suck"

    STOP talking about my friend that way! You'll get there dude. You just started and this is your first venture. It takes time ... be easy on yourself and work hard/smart.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Yeah, I gotta agree with the poster above. PPC is a money sinkhole if you aren't pretty experienced. You might think about using articles to drive traffic to a squeeze page. Get some subscribers with a related freebie, OTO them the paid product at a nice discount. Send back-end offers to the list when you write new ones. Money is in the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    I've used PPC very successfully.

    If your offer isn't converting I would recommend giving your salespage a major overhaul.

    A "pretty basic salesletter" as you mention probably isn't good enough, with so many sites using slick salespages and video etc.

    The image you present is critical when it comes to selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomcam
    Please post a link to your sales page or PM me with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rad Rob
    Thanks all for your encouragement. I'm fairly sure my problem is poor sales copy. I'll post a link once I overhaul the landing page.

    Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    I don't know much about PPC, although I do use it. I have notice a big difference in the amount of sales you can generate by only using commercial intended keywords. Many of you warriors already know what Tool I'm talking about, and for those who don't, here it is:

    Detecting Online Commercial Intention: Audience Intelligence: adCenter Labs

    If you are bidding on keywords that do not have a commercial intent, then how are you trying to convert them in to buys. PPC is all about message to market match, you have to target you visitor down to the tiniest detail. Take your keywords and then run them though that online tool, then remove the non-commercial keywords.

    After that, I would set up a tracking for every move the visitor can take, then analyze the tracking data to see were you are loosing them. In addition, if you are not building a list, to keep in contact with them, I would re-do the landing page, and add a opt in box. Do this because it is a simple fact, that people do not buy on the first time they see your offer. You need some way to keep in contact with them and that is what an email list dose.

    On a second note, If you are serious about mastering your PPC, then I would recommend checking out Jonathan Budd's PPC Mastery Course, which can be found here:

    The Network Marketing Industries Most Cutting Edge Pay-Per-Click Marketing Mentoring Program.
    (Not an Affiliate Link)


    Hope that was helpful, Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    How many clicks to your sales page have you had? If you are less than a couple hundred, how can you be doing any kind of analysis?

    Don't scrap your current page, setup a split test, and rotate the page you are sending them to. Then you can at least discover what is effective. Do the same thing with your Adwords ad. (Just not simultaneously.)

    Split testing is the only way you are going to narrow down the problem. As you will find many, many successful Warriors telling you....test, test, test

    I'd back off the PPC, and try to get a good test ran of my sales page, and sales process with Article Traffic before spending too much on PPC.

    PPC is great to send to a tested and proven sales page, otherwise it is likely going to be wasted money. (Unless you have deep pockets, and want to do your testing with PPC.)
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      Hey Rob,

      Congrats on being a newbie and creating your first product. You're actually already a step ahead of me because I've been involved in online marketing for 3 years and still haven't created my own product to sell. You're also one step ahead of 99% of the newbies out there too.

      I don't use PPC at all and always rely on natural traffic. I know there's crazy money to be made in PPC, but that's not how I roll.

      Work on building an email list. In my opinion, this should be your #1 priority.

      When I started, people always told me to start building an email list immediately. It took me 2 years until it dawned on me that I need to build a list. Better late than never.
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