What is Wrong With These Newbies?

by A Bary
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Everyone here was -someday- a newbie...

All of us learned what we know now over years...

But one thread I read few days ago was really confusing..

the OP, who is apparently a newbie, was asking for help with ClickBank.

The poster was barely able to build a hoplink, and clearly know very little about CB and IM in general,

Again, nothing wrong with this, but what really confused me is that, the product he wanted to promote was...guess what...an IM product


And what was more interesting is that, the poster stated clearly that he isn't planning to purchase the product, and not interested in any type of advice that suggests to purchase the product:confused::confused::confused:


A newbie, no very little about IM. is planning to promote an IM product, without even buying it!!!!!!!!

Di you find this normal???

Why people are thinking about this biz as a joke, or a game, or some shady marketplace to make a quick buck from?

Why the first thing a newbie think about is to promote an IM?

It took me few years to think about promoting IM, my simple idea was, before I promote IM products, I have to use them SUCCESSFULLY and make money using them before trying to make money promoting them...

I know it doesn't need that long to enter the IM niche, but at least, you need some experience and a level of success to do so...


Am I right or I am overreacting here?

A Bary
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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    I remember a few months ago when I first started. I didn't know better than to try and promote an IM product. In fact the only reason I didn't try an IM product was because I had alot of experience with the game world of warcraft so I figured I'd try one of those CB products instead. As far as not buying the products. When I started I had NO money to purchase the products in order to write a proper review..so i faked it..which didn't work haha but I really couldn't afford hosting and a domain much less buying the products.

    I think people consider this a joke because of the idea of working on the computer. I know for a fact that my friend tries to convince me every day that hes "real" job is better than my "not real" job. Even though he made about 5000 total for 2009 working from the beginning of the year. I made my first 5000 within 2 months of starting online (we are both seniors in highschool so thats alot of money to us)

    Basically people get into this business and treat it as a joke because they don't understand the potential that it has. They also have never seen legit proof that it's possible so they aren't willing to take it seriously yet.

    With time they will either quit and get out of the game..or learn and start treating it seriously and start earning. That's how this business "gets rid of the weeds"
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    As usual Barry ... you are overreacting . :-)

    You can sell baseball bats and not be a player . Not too much support in selling baseball bats .

    In IM , The support can and will be intensive .

    If you are new and looking for a niche ... listen To Barry . He is spot on here
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      As usual Barry ... you are overreacting . :-)

      You can sell baseball bats and not be a player . Not too much support in selling baseball bats .

      In IM , The support can and will be intensive .

      If you are new and looking for a niche ... listen To Barry . He is spot on here
      Who are you talking to man (kidding )

      I am not talking about selling something you don't know alot about, I am talking about selling information that teach how to make money while you're broke and can't do it yourself..

      This is, well, like a bum who sells you stocks... will you be comfortable buying from him??

      My point is, it's better for a newbie to apply what he learns in other niches first, sharpen his skills and knowledge, then jump to the eternal war of promoting IM products..
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        Who are you talking to man (kidding )

        I am not talking about selling something you don't know alot about, I am talking about selling information that teach how to make money while you're broke and can't do it yourself..

        This is, well, like a bum who sells you stocks... will you be comfortable buying from him??

        My point is, it's better for a newbie to apply what he learns in other niches first, sharpen his skills and knowledge, then jump to the eternal war of promoting IM products..
        Do you learn to drive a golf ball 400 yards before entering the golf niche?

        Do you go and lose 20 pounds before entering the weight loss niche?

        Do you go and buy a puppy and train it before it entering the dog training niche?

        The MMO niche is no different.

        I do agree, however, that newbies would be better off steering away from the MMO niche, but for different reasons.

        Newbies shouldn't go straight into the MMO niche because the competition is fierce and they'll really struggle to get anywhere without any experience, however, I don't agree with the reasons you suggested above.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by MisterMunch View Post

          Kids cereal bowls on the other had. Probably a lot easier to get your feet wet there.
          Ugh! You keep your stinky feet out of my cereal bowls.

          Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

          Do you learn to drive a golf ball 400 yards before entering the golf niche?

          Do you go and lose 20 pounds before entering the weight loss niche?

          Do you go and buy a puppy and train it before it entering the dog training niche?

          The MMO niche is no different.
          I have to disagree with you here, a little bit. In principle I do agree with you, but a newbie doesn't have the experience to know a good money making system from a bad one. He might pick a crappy product that's outdated and maybe make some sales because of the niche, but the people who try to apply the system may find it doesn't work as advertised.

          In that case, his buyers may want support, which the newbie isn't likely to be able to provide. Or, they may spread the word that the newbie is a scammer selling crap that doesn't work and he gets a bad reputation.

          I think the make money online niche is one where it's better to be able to do before you sell information on how to do it.
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          • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I have to disagree with you here, a little bit. In principle I do agree with you, but a newbie doesn't have the experience to know a good money making system from a bad one. He might pick a crappy product that's outdated and maybe make some sales because of the niche, but the people who try to apply the system may find it doesn't work as advertised.

            In that case, his buyers may want support, which the newbie isn't likely to be able to provide. Or, they may spread the word that the newbie is a scammer selling crap that doesn't work and he gets a bad reputation.

            I think the make money online niche is one where it's better to be able to do before you sell information on how to do it.
            But if a newbie doesn't have the experience to tell the difference between a good and bad MMO product, then how does a newbie have the experience to know the difference between a good and bad golf product?

            The same exact things you just mentioned could happen to a newbie from selecting the wrong product outside of the MMO niche. He could have an angry bunch of golfers wanting his support and telling everyone he's a scammer because they bought the e-book he recommended and they're not playing on the PGA circuit yet.

            I definitely agree that the MMO niche is no place for newbies, but I don't think the reason should be because they're not making money.

            It just seems ironic to me that I always hear people whinge about newbies trying to sell MMO products (not directed at you) before they've had success when in all likely hood they themselves are promoting products in a bunch of niches they don't have any personal experience with.

            As long as they are doing it ethically it shouldn't matter if they're making money or not. I do, however, have a problem with newbies in the MMO niche who start asking for help when they're signature says they're making millions, as that is flat out deceit.
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            • Profile picture of the author A Bary
              Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

              But if a newbie doesn't have the experience to tell the difference between a good and bad MMO product, then how does a newbie have the experience to know the difference between a good and bad golf product?

              The same exact things you just mentioned could happen to a newbie from selecting the wrong product outside of the MMO niche. He could have an angry bunch of golfers wanting his support and telling everyone he's a scammer because they bought the e-book he recommended and they're not playing on the PGA circuit yet.

              I definitely agree that the MMO niche is no place for newbies, but I don't think the reason should be because they're not making money.

              It just seems ironic to me that I always hear people whinge about newbies trying to sell MMO products (not directed at you) before they've had success when in all likely hood they themselves are promoting products in a bunch of niches they don't have any personal experience with.

              As long as they are doing it ethically it shouldn't matter if they're making money or not. I do, however, have a problem with newbies in the MMO niche who start asking for help when they're signature says they're making millions, as that is flat out deceit.
              Sorry, but comparing IM to other niches is not correct in my opinion..

              These are 2 different stories...as a marketer with 10 years of experience in online sales, I can sell any damn thing after 5 minutes of getting it in my hands...

              I don't need to know much about it..

              Just few "benefits" for its potential customers and I go and close the sale.


              Selling IM products is a whole different story.

              I am selling for marketers, or wanna be marketers, so, they have a level of awareness of the tactics I use to sell to them

              As a result, I have to be fully confident, knowledgeable, and fully aware with what I am selling


              How do you think I can sell a product about blogging if I never did blogging??

              How to sell a product about email marketing if I never sent a well written email to a list of subscribers I built over years?

              This is not the same story as selling a golf related product or a weight loss how to, because for those products, you only need a list of features and benefits to use in your selling pitch...

              On the other hand, selling IM products is done for marketer, who can easily decide if I know what I am talking about or I am trying to make a quick buck from them....

              My 2 cents
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              • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
                Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                Sorry, but comparing IM to other niches is not correct in my opinion..

                These are 2 different stories...as a marketer with 10 years of experience in online sales, I can sell any damn thing after 5 minutes of getting it in my hands...

                I don't need to know much about it..

                Just few "benefits" for its potential customers and I go and close the sale.
                What do you think a review page is?

                Many marketers simply write a review page outlining the benefits of a product and it makes sales. You don't have to know to sell to make money online.

                Sure, you'll make more if you do but just about anyone can make money on the internet without any experience.


                Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                Selling IM products is a whole different story.

                I am selling for marketers, or wanna be marketers, so, they have a level of awareness of the tactics I use to sell to them

                As a result, I have to be fully confident, knowledgeable, and fully aware with what I am selling
                To be successful, sure, I agree. However, you can still make money with absolutely no experience.

                The point I was making was not about whether they are going to have success in the MMO niche, I've stated a few times that I don't think they will.

                My point is about people thinking you have to make money before you can sell MMO products but you don't have to learn to play golf before you sell golf products.

                Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                How do you think I can sell a product about blogging if I never did blogging??
                By listing the most popular features, you know, the same thing you'd do for the golf product you have no idea about.

                Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                How to sell a product about email marketing if I never sent a well written email to a list of subscribers I built over years?
                See above.

                None of those things refute my argument.

                I said I agree with you that a newbie without experience would have a difficult time in the MMO niche, but from an ethical point of view it makes no difference what so ever.
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                • Profile picture of the author Obilex
                  When I first had the thought of joining the IM world, I actually was going to do the same exact thing. My reason? because everyone else was and it seemed to work for them. Granted I have since come to my senses and decided pursue a topic that I am passionate about and can provide something that I actually know about. Basically I think a lot of the new people see all these big players making bank promoting and selling IM so they think that its the place to be.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Hasan Barbary
                    I see two separate issues here:

                    1) The debate about whether one can have success promoting a niche in which one has no direct experience. I say sure, why not? Golf, weight loss, MMO, whatever. That's not what really bugs me. What really bugs me is when

                    2) Newbies blatantly display their ignorance of IM in an IM forum, crying for help while simultaneously touting their supposed "expertise" in their sig links. On this issue, the OP and I totally agree. VERY ANNOYING.

                    We were all newbies once; some of us just had more common sense than others.

                    You don't try to sell snow to Eskimos at an Ice-Making Convention, if you don't even know what a Zamboni is... Do You? :p
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                  • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                    Originally Posted by Obilex View Post

                    When I first had the thought of joining the IM world, I actually was going to do the same exact thing. My reason? because everyone else was and it seemed to work for them.
                    There's a proverb onto this: "also a blind hen finds a seed".

                    Granted I have since come to my senses and decided pursue a topic that I am passionate about and can provide something that I actually know about.
                    Wise decision.

                    Basically I think a lot of the new people see all these big players making bank promoting and selling IM so they think that its the place to be.
                    You need to realize that from every aspects they are out of your 'league'. Big players spent time, money, work to arrive that place where they are now. Need to know that there is no 'free lunch'. If someone takes as such effort to reaching success then he may be as successful.

                    Anyway, I agree with Hasan's second point.

                    All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
    Well, that newbie will learn in time, I hope. Some people often have misconceptions about things and they enter into new fields with those misconceptions. Some of them realize it and adjust accordingly and quickly, some take longer, and some never do. It spells the difference between success and failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author MANNSK
    There are always going to be those out there that are in it for the quick buck. When people start the steps to riches seem simple: sell product on a site, collect profit.

    But those will be the same people who will move on to something else once they realize things aren't going as planned.

    I'm content with reading things on here until I pick up enough information to come out with something successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    As I see it, the biggest problem with promoting to internet marketers is that your competition is internet marketers.

    And who is better in internet marketing than internet marketers?

    Kids cereal bowls on the other had. Probably a lot easier to get your feet wet there.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    I have sold many weight loss products and I have never been overweight, I have sold fitness products and don't even know a gym (yes, I know I'm sedentary ), I have sold products related to poker, and I'm the worst poker player in the world (it's just because I'm unlucky )...

    So it means that there is no rule for such thing, we can promote products in niches that we don't know very well. Promoting products as an affiliate is very different than creating products.

    HOWEVER, we can't deny that the IM niche is very competitive and it's almost impossible for a newbie who is broke to promote products in this niche. But we are talking about a newbie, right? So it doesn't deserve a "WOW!". He doesn't know that the IM niche is an "exception", and it's 100% normal for somebody that's just starting.

    Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author dougp
    Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

    Everyone here was -someday- a newbie...

    All of us learned what we know now over years...

    But one thread I read few days ago was really confusing..

    the OP, who is apparently a newbie, was asking for help with ClickBank.

    The poster was barely able to build a hoplink, and clearly know very little about CB and IM in general,

    Again, nothing wrong with this, but what really confused me is that, the product he wanted to promote was...guess what...an IM product


    And what was more interesting is that, the poster stated clearly that he isn't planning to purchase the product, and not interested in any type of advice that suggests to purchase the product:confused::confused::confused:


    A newbie, no very little about IM. is planning to promote an IM product, without even buying it!!!!!!!!

    Di you find this normal???

    Why people are thinking about this biz as a joke, or a game, or some shady marketplace to make a quick buck from?

    Why the first thing a newbie think about is to promote an IM?

    It took me few years to think about promoting IM, my simple idea was, before I promote IM products, I have to use them SUCCESSFULLY and make money using them before trying to make money promoting them...

    I know it doesn't need that long to enter the IM niche, but at least, you need some experience and a level of success to do so...


    Am I right or I am overreacting here?

    A Bary

    If you are trying to help someone then all you can do is give them your advice. Hopefully the person will be smart enough to realize a couple of months from now that their logic isn't very productive, and if they are serious about internet marketing then they better change it fast.

    Doug
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Exactly! This is why I don't sell razors.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Exactly! This is why I don't sell razors.
        Kevin, point taken! The selling a lot may depend on the illustration. Seeing your photograph, would be heavy presumably to convince the customers from the benefits of the shave. Or I am wrong?

        Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    To me, IM is all about selling whatever you can the way you can.

    If you need advice, I'll give you if I can.

    If you don't need advice, I'll ignore you if I can.

    Can? Yes, capacity building is very important in every business. So, you never know if the newbie has somehow built enough capacity to sell/promote whatever.

    Come to think of it, If he fails, it is his fault. If he succeeds, it is also his fault.


    Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

    Everyone here was -someday- a newbie...

    All of us learned what we know now over years...

    But one thread I read few days ago was really confusing..

    the OP, who is apparently a newbie, was asking for help with ClickBank.

    The poster was barely able to build a hoplink, and clearly know very little about CB and IM in general,

    Again, nothing wrong with this, but what really confused me is that, the product he wanted to promote was...guess what...an IM product


    And what was more interesting is that, the poster stated clearly that he isn't planning to purchase the product, and not interested in any type of advice that suggests to purchase the product:confused::confused::confused:


    A newbie, no very little about IM. is planning to promote an IM product, without even buying it!!!!!!!!

    Di you find this normal???

    Why people are thinking about this biz as a joke, or a game, or some shady marketplace to make a quick buck from?

    Why the first thing a newbie think about is to promote an IM?

    It took me few years to think about promoting IM, my simple idea was, before I promote IM products, I have to use them SUCCESSFULLY and make money using them before trying to make money promoting them...

    I know it doesn't need that long to enter the IM niche, but at least, you need some experience and a level of success to do so...


    Am I right or I am overreacting here?

    A Bary
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  • Profile picture of the author Dachcode
    I really think giving out your advice to newbies will be more helpful. Share ur own experience so they can learn >>>
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  • Profile picture of the author Dhira
    Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

    Am I right or I am overreacting here?

    A Bary
    You are definitely overreacting.

    All of us came to IM from different paths. Maybe he can't afford to purchase it to test it.

    I know when i started, I didn't purchase the products I sold on clickbank. I tested the hell out of PPC losing my shirt for 2 years before I finally got it. i didn't have money to waste checking out the products. I could barely get the hoplink.

    People learn with time. Everyone has a different speed. I'm sure there was something you sucked at when you started that someone else would laugh at too....
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    The whole IM "I'll teach you how to make money" thing is like a downward spiral.

    The people who have the most knowledge sell products and services to people with less knowledge than them.

    And those people, with a newly-found (but smaller) knowledge sell products and services to people with even less knowledge than them.

    Then those people (with even less knowledge) do the same.

    And so it continues until people with almost no knowledge are trying to sell what little knowledge they have, with no experience to back it up because they don't know enough to get it working for them.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author keefer
    From my experience it was better starting with something I knew about, some thing I was passionate about.

    That way I was able to answers questions from buyers or potential buyers without trying to bluff them that I knew what I was talking about. Building on that I could establish myself as an expert.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    The discussion here is fierce but I do agree you don't really have to be an experience marketers before selling MMO products. You can use other people stories just like selling weight loss products. Most people will just use other people stories. What're the difference As long as your stories are true, it will convert eventually.
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