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Are Leading Internet Marketers Born or Made?

by King Shiloh Banned
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I have often heard from political leaders that leaders are born, not made. I disagree with that statement because I know that you can't be the leading medical doctor without passing through a medical college.

To me, I believe that every leading internet marketer including Allen Says, Willie Crawford, etc. passed through a form of training before they reached the top.

So, if you think that you are not supposed to be here because you were not born to be here, then you really have to think.

What do I think? I think that you can make yourself a leading internet marketer because those that are leading now were not born to be so but made. So, go for relevant training to become a leader in your chosen niche.

Do you have a contrary view?
#born #internet #leading #made #marketers
  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    I'm not sure..

    I think the ability to think outside the box is something you're born with, and that's how new ideas are born.

    Leaders generally bring something new to the table that nobody has before.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    Hey King!

    In my opinion, they are made. But you need the right MINDSET - determination, grit, graft. Some of that is born.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Made... I would say most are made anyway, some might be born but I would say most are made.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    I think it's something you're born with. Even at school I was one of the best at thinking outside the box. Most people prefer to have their ideas spoonfed to them.

    I've had 200 ideas for hubpages pages in 3 weeks, so can't understand my fellow hubbers who say they have no ideas.

    I guess you can learn IM, but then you're coming up against other factors, like lack of dedication.
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    • Profile picture of the author knowwow
      This is a false dichotomy. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.

      A first fair answer to this would be that "leadership" attribute can be shaped by a combination of social and genetic factors PLUS other factors. A single event in your life could make you into a leader.

      If you are born into wealth for instance, you may choose not to care about anything since you already have it all. Or you may have an obligation to live up to the family name or something. Such examples can be multiplied

      It is interesting though how you put the question and how you explain it. Being made a leader doesn't mean someone comes and makes you a leader. It is rather a becoming process. It may be an experience as a school club president, then having to work at McDonald's, then having to go through a divorce etc. etc. Anyway...

      I liked MJ's input about creativity. I think a lot about this. It is a key ability for success in marketing and one can assume leadership from there on (saying most creative people can be lazy).

      @DrGUID,

      It is great that you have so much self-respect. But I am wondering how you associate building hubpages with leadership. I assume you followed a WSO or something that taught you to create hubpages.

      Leave leadership aside, that practice (hopefully not your sole practice) can leave you empty handed in the future if hubpages changes it TOS, if Google changes its algorithms or something. Thought about that.

      And leave all the above aside, being able to do something better than others doesn't mean you were born to do that better. It may easily mean for instance that you grew up to be a very hardworking but single-minded person.


      PS: I would like to tempt you into thinking in terms of not "being" someone/something but "becoming" one. The idea of being involved in a process ("I'm becoming a successful marketer") vs. ("I'm not yet a successful marketer") can help those who are likely to easily fall into despair.
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      • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
        Originally Posted by knowwow View Post

        This is a false dichotomy. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.

        A first fair answer to this would be that "leadership" attribute can be shaped by a combination of social and genetic factors PLUS other factors. A single event in your life could make you into a leader.

        If you are born into wealth for instance, you may choose not to care about anything since you already have it all. Or you may have an obligation to live up to the family name or something. Such examples can be multiplied

        It is interesting though how you put the question and how you explain it. Being made a leader doesn't mean someone comes and makes you a leader. It is rather a becoming process. It may be an experience as a school club president, then having to work at McDonald's, then having to go through a divorce etc. etc. Anyway...

        I liked MJ's input about creativity. I think a lot about this. It is a key ability for success in marketing and one can assume leadership from there on (saying most creative people can be lazy).

        @DrGUID,

        It is great that you have so much self-respect. But I am wondering how you associate building hubpages with leadership. I assume you followed a WSO or something that taught you to create hubpages.

        Leave leadership aside, that practice (hopefully not your sole practice) can leave you empty handed in the future if hubpages changes it TOS, if Google changes its algorithms or something. Thought about that.

        And leave all the above aside, being able to do something better than others doesn't mean you were born to do that better. It may easily mean for instance that you grew up to be a very hardworking but single-minded person.


        PS: I would like to tempt you into thinking in terms of not "being" someone/something but "becoming" one. The idea of being involved in a process ("I'm becoming a successful marketer") vs. ("I'm not yet a successful marketer") can help those who are likely to easily fall into despair.
        Can not be put in any better way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    No one is "born made". You need to take action and work hard.

    You educate yourself, and you need to have the gift of the gab. It is not for everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author silvercap
    It's a combination. If you think it's something you're born with, then it's hard to make oneself one... Mindset is the most important, then genes comes second,.
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  • Profile picture of the author Poglia
    Made. No one is born with talent, not even the biggest geniuses out there. Beethoven was a great musician at the age of 3, but of course he didn't know how to play when he was born: he just practiced like 12 hours per day every day.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by Poglia View Post

      Made. No one is born with talent, not even the biggest geniuses out there. Beethoven was a great musician at the age of 3, but of course he didn't know how to play when he was born: he just practiced like 12 hours per day every day.
      I don't agree with that, no matter how many singing lessons I take, I will always remain a crap singer...
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  • Profile picture of the author impulsell
    I've found a lot of marketers are usually born into wealth to begin with or they left high paying jobs to start internet marketing. As for being born or made into it. I think it comes about through hard work and dedication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    I don't agree that it's ALL about hard work and determination.

    Many passionate inventors have died poor over the centuries, who worked their fingers to the bone trying to get their ideas off the ground.

    Lots of things come into it - knowledge, experience, talent, determination, work ethic, commercial awareness and a little bit of luck, meaning what you're good at happens to be in vogue at the time.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Made. I've noticed a good number of successful online marketers have owned another business before.

      I believe their previous experiences with things like budgeting, delegating tasks, outsourcing, managing multiple tasks and prioritizing give them a big advantage.

      There are a lot of skills that you develop in offline businesses that translate well to the online world.

      For example, one of the first things I did when I came online was to study online copywriting. Actually one of my early mentors told me to focus on that skill first before I worried about driving traffic. If you're trying to use a bad sales letter that is making zero sales, then it doesn't matter how much more traffic you send it's way... you're probably going to still make zero sales.

      I might have argued with my mentor but I didn't because of my previous business experiences. If I hadn't learned to write real good copy for my own offline business and seen the results of my efforts, then I wouldn't made the connection as quickly as I did about needing good to great sales copy online as well.

      My 2 cents,

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    BORN. If you don't make a million dollars in your first
    year of internet marketing it's because you chose the
    wrong parents.



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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    they are made,I have personally made many newbies that thought that this was all a big scam.
    The very same people that I have helped have gone on to help others like themselves.
    Lou
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I think there are certain "intangibles" that people are born with that gives them the right "recipe" for greatness.

    Michael Jordan has told people that he is insulted when others talk about his being born with his talent. He said that he worked hard for his success doing what it took when others around him did not.

    I think it is that kind of drive that makes you work harder than the others that is probably already in you.

    However, it does take a lot of external factors to complete the picture. Someone used the singing example which is true. If you are tone deaf then all of the knowledge and determination in the world will not make you a great singer.

    I believe the keys are persistence or determination, ability (not tone deaf), and knowledge.

    So the ability to do certain things in life could be there at birth (tall enough to be an NBA star) and determination comes from within. Knowledge is available for anyone to pursue.

    But another dimension that is needed when talking about great World leaders would be timing. Look at a great general without a war. Or a political leader without a crisis to lead out of. Sometimes the moments make the person.
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  • Profile picture of the author hushy
    Well some things I believe are made and others are natural. Some guys have the natural ability for leading by example. Others have the ability to train. "Those who can't do teach"

    There has to be some training in different areas to have a true leader. Whether that person was born or made. A little grinding of the rough edges are always needed
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  • Profile picture of the author willyboy104
    I definitely don't think its something you are born with as I believe people are born with pretty much the same abilities, you can breathe, see and hear.

    Apart from this you learn how to do everything else, you learn to walk, you learn to speak, you learn to learn. Through observation and education you learn many things in life but these are not things you are born with.

    For example if a person new to Internet marketing, a person who has never thought or heard about making money on the Internet was to live with one of the leading experts of Internet marketing for 6 months and was to observe what they do each day and everyday throughout that 6 month period they would surely learn how to do many tasks, how to think a certain way and how to make money online.

    I think it depends on many factors, some of which you cannot control. It is related to who you are brought up around, who you socialise with, how you choose to learn, your childhood, what you want in life, what you have in life, how things have been given to you and how you have earned certain things both materialistic and non-materialistic.

    That's just my thoughts...
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  • Profile picture of the author money2k
    Definitely made. You see lots of self MADE millionaires. I am hoping to join the ranks one day. Unless your last name is firestone, Hilton, trump, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason James
      Originally Posted by money2k View Post

      Definitely made. You see lots of self MADE millionaires. I am hoping to join the ranks one day. Unless your last name is firestone, Hilton, trump, etc.
      Most are made yes.. unless born with a support system of something called MONEy and CONNECTIONS
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