If I want to use a Netbook at home ...

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If I want to use a Netbook at home ...

There are a few threads asking what is the best Netbook (or
Laptop) to use.

My question is slightly different - I want to establish what
exactly I should be looking for.

I have an XP desktop PC but I want the facility to use a
Netbook for my IM work in another room or in the garden and
to run things as if I was using the PC.

So my main question is how do I arrange this communication
(my PC does use a wireless card with a router) and should it
influence whether the Netbook is XP, Vista or Windows 7

The other points are

1. I would assume battery life and transportation are not
inportant as I won't use it on the road

2. Glare could be a factor as I will use it outdoors

3. I'd like to be able to use a mouse if possible

4. The main usage is email and surfing so nothing too high
powered is needed

Your help for a Netbook newbie would be appreciated

Thanks
Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Hi Harvey - I couldn't live without my netbook. I have an Acer AspireOne and it's tiny - 10", so you might have a problem with the keyboard (my husband does). I installed additional memory so it's got 2 gigs instead of 1, which it came with. It's fast enough, stores enough stuff, is wireless, and has usb ports...plenty for attaching a mouse (I have a wireless which I love), and a headset, if you need that.

    Doesn't have any glare problems - I used it extensively outside over last summer. Battery life runs around 8 hours, because I chose the 6-cell battery instead of the 3. Cost me $350 when I bought it. Actually, here's the one I bought: Amazon.com: Acer Aspire One AOD150-1920 10.1-Inch...Amazon.com: Acer Aspire One AOD150-1920 10.1-Inch... (That's not an affiliate link.)

    It says 6.5 hour battery, but the initial ones were released with an upgraded battery by accident.

    Like I said, I couldn't live without it...it's become my constant IM companion. My husband even gives it dirty looks sometimes.

    ETA: Your first question - you'll need a remote desktop application. I hear GoToMyPC is a good one, but haven't used it myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author cellcom
      Hi Harvey,

      It sounds like you already have a wireless network setup at your house so you should be all set. All netbooks come with wireless cards built in so when you turn it on it will detect your network - the first time you connect you may be asked what network to connect to, but after that you should be all set.

      The 10 inch netbook keyboard is about 92% of the size of a normal keyboard - it does take a little while to adjust to it.

      Glare - the screens on these are super shiny for some reason and glare can be a problem, but like all laptops you can adjust the angle of the screen to reduce it.

      My recommendation is the Dell Mini 10 - very reliable. If you want to PM me I can tell you where to get these new in the $250 - $270 range with 160gb hard drive.
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    • Profile picture of the author ILUVCA$H
      Ohhhhhhhh that looks good ! I was thinking about buying a IPAD to do simple task - what do people think of the IPAD as a netbook replacement ?

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      • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
        I'm not really looking for a netbook. My little dream laptop now is over 10 pounds. I find it baffling that some city folk think that's too heavy. It's not going to throw out your back. It does take more effort to move than a 3 pounder. (Remember when that description used to describe the size of the ball a cannon could fire on wooden war ships? I do.)

        But it's hardly enough weight to even be considered exercise. If that counts as significant effort on a person's scale, they need to get the peaks a little higher on that graph.

        Just my opinion. Of course with different people there are going to be completely different needs and netbooks would work much better for some.

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        what do people think of the IPAD as a netbook replacement ?
        Well here's a basic opinion that gave me a new appreciation for bullet point type of lists. I had read about some of the things it was missing a couple of times, but this graphic spells it out pretty well.

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  • Profile picture of the author onlineleben
    Harvey,
    check out this guide:
    The Definitive Guide to Making the Most of Your Netbook - NetBooks - Lifehacker

    And if you need remote connection to your desktop, this might be of use:
    Hive Five Winner for Best Remote Desktop Tool: LogMeIn - Hive Five - Lifehacker

    Have fun with the "little one"
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      If you are only going to be at home, forget about LogMeIn and GoToMyPC, that requires the connection to leave your home and come back to the desktop.

      Just enable remote desktop access on your desktop. You can use the Remote Desktop Client on the Netbook to attach to the desktop. It will be much faster than the web based options, and everything stays in your home.

      If you do need to take it out on the road and want remote access to your home, both of those products are excellent. Give the Free Version of LogMeIn a try.

      Look at the HP line Netbooks, they have a great hi-def screen in their business line.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
        Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

        Just enable remote desktop access on your desktop. You can use the Remote Desktop Client on the Netbook to attach to the desktop.
        That sounds exactly what I am after.

        And would that mean that I don't need to worry about memory and
        disc space as I would be effectively running on my PC ?

        Is there any downside ? For example is the already small
        screen size reduced by having the PC view within some sort
        of border if that is the case.


        Harvey
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        • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
          Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

          That sounds exactly what I am after.

          And would that mean that I don't need to worry about memory and
          disc space as I would be effectively running on my PC ?

          Is there any downside ? For example is the already small
          screen size reduced by having the PC view within some sort
          of border if that is the case.


          Harvey

          I'm interested in knowing more about this as well, as this sounds perfect for what I need too!
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      • Profile picture of the author RMC
        I've got a Dell mini 10 #2316 out of 6300 Tristan Eaton designer netbook. It's got a cool design on the lid.

        Like this but red and black...
        http://www.pmptoday.com/wp-content/u...kers-black.jpg

        I love it for travel and portability. I just use remote desktop to connect to my office. I have a static IP there so I can access it from anywhere in the world and never have to put my little atom processor under strain.

        I've done graphic design work, coding, web editing and more this way. I have no clue how much power it has because I don't intend to find out.

        Occasionally I will use my big laptop but it's almost become a desktop now as I leave it connected to a monitor and rarely use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Harvey, here are my answers.

    1. For your planned use, a comfortable keyboard and screen are most important. As for power, your garden and other room might have convenient power outlets. If not, you could leave spare extension cords, or even spare power adapters, next to where you'll sit. Power adapters last a lot longer if you don't coil and uncoil the cord all the time.

    2. Yes, you should test a machine in bright light if possible. Glossy screens are popular with manufacturers because they make colors pop out with a vivid look. A matte finish resists glare, but I don't know of netbooks with a matte screen option. I don't know if anyone makes some kind of matte screen cover to protect glossy screens from glare. So this is something you have to see for yourself.

    In the UK, how many bright sunny days are you going to have anyway when you need ?

    3. Most netbooks have USB ports that work with any mouse you like. Even an external keyboard if you like. And for your work, that might be worth while. I recommend you consider a wireless mouse with a USB-plug receiver. Going wireless is a huge convenience when you take the machine from room to room or out to the garden.

    4. If you use webmail and a bookmark-sharing browser plugin, then you can go online directly from the netbook without any need for a remote desktop session. Remote desktop only makes sense if you need to use the main machine's processing power, security setup, or the way you have set everything up. Also, it takes time to send the screen updates remotely, so remote desktop is much better for office software than for graphics software like Photoshop. The program runs as fast as ever on the main machine, but it takes time for the remote screen to catch up since wifi's bandwidth is a tiny fraction of a video card's bandwidth. Remote desktop works great for office software and Outlook.

    I recommend that you set up file and print sharing so that you can pull up files from the main machine, and print through it, without having to launch remote desktop.

    I used remote desktop a lot for day jobs in software. If there's anything I can do to help you get set up (this goes for Lisa, too), just ask.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Chris,

      Thank you for your detailed answer.
      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      1. For your planned use, a comfortable keyboard and screen are most important.
      Yes -I agree

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      As for power, your garden and other room might have convenient power outlets. If not, you could leave spare extension cords, or even spare power adapters, next to where you'll sit.
      I'm not clear why this is important.

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      In the UK, how many bright sunny days are you going to have anyway when you need ?
      Well I did see the sun - about 3 weeks ago.

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      4. If you use webmail and a bookmark-sharing browser plugin, then you can go online directly from the netbook without any need for a remote desktop session. Remote desktop only makes sense if you need to use the main machine's processing power, security setup, or the way you have set everything up.
      The essential requirement is that I have access to my PC for mail
      (I don't use webmail), various files, and Roboform.

      So I'm sure remote access is the solution.

      Back to my original question
      - will the screen size be reduced with remote access (I seem to recall logmein using up some space)

      Also will remote access on a Vista or Windows 7 Netbook work with my XP PC ?


      Finally if I use remote access and don't go on the road can
      I say that these factors are not important
      - cpu/memory
      - disc space
      - battery life


      Harvey
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      • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
        Hi Harvey,

        I bought my significant other an Acer Aspire one notebook as a present last year. (August ! so it's a while ago)

        After we took the first one back ( Comet are only box shifters!) The second one (thanks to the Sale of Goods Act !) Long story, you don't want to know ) has worked every day, without fail.

        It has an inbuilt webcam he talks on skype to our kids over the internet, no matter where they are - either just up the road or in South Africa, Australia, London or wherever they have travelled to recently.

        We have wi fi internet access built in..... he just connects and away he goes surfing wherever he likes.

        If you are on xp or vista you can set up the wifi access easily enough. Windows 7 on the main system doesn't seem to have made any difference to the connectivity.
        If you want to access your email via smtp that works too.

        I think if he chose to go sit in the cupboard under the stairs, he'd still have a fully working computer. (actually, I might try that just to get some peace and quiet.)

        The only problem with a netbook is the small keyboard, but once you get used to that it's fine. (most men only type with two fingers anyway!)

        As far as working in the garden, a netbook will work without power for two hours if the battery is fully charged when you take it out there. But really, you should only consider a spade or a fork as good tools to use in the garden.

        Sunshine and monitor won't be a problem. Don't look straight towards the sun though or you'll think you've gone blind for at least an hour.

        If the suns shinning, you shouldn't be on the computer anyway.

        Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

      Just enable remote desktop access on your desktop.
      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      I used remote desktop a lot for day jobs in software.
      Having decided that Remote DeskTop is the way to go
      it would appear that this is only available with
      XP Professional and not XP Home.

      Presumably there is no equivalent for XP Home ?

      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Harvey, I've been using the awesome Asus Eee PC Netbook since December and it's hands-down the best thing I've ever purchased. It has a 10 hour battery life and a screen that is easily visible even in direct sunlight. Combined with the small Targus netbook case I got to go with it I have a portable office that I use everywhere.

    The machine runs Windows 7 Starter edition which has ample power for all my software - web browsers, text editors, Open Office, Camtasia and graphics editors. The voice recognition software built-in to Windows 7 has become invaluable and works well. And the netbook has Bluetooth, allowing me to use my Bluetooth cell phone as a modem when I'm in a rare location without free WiFi.

    Once you get used to the smaller keyboard (and it's actually bigger that you'd expect) it's a joy to use. When using it at home I plug a Microsoft mouse into one of the USB ports, and I have mapped drives on it to connect to the other 6 computers here and have also defined all of the network printers to it.

    There are a few applications that don't take well to the 1024 x 600 screen size, but it usually isn't a problem.

    Performance is great - I have yet to bump the memory up to the 2 GB maximum but I did slip a 4GB SD card into the slot and use it with Windows ReadyBoost. The 250 GB hard disk is more than ample for everything I do. before buying I read countless reviews and this model was clearly the winner in all of them.

    While it will never replace my desktop or even my 17 inch notebooks this machine has become my new best friend (which I guess doesn't say much for my social life). I am rarely without it.

    Highly recommended!

    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Bill, thanks for the big review of the little machine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer

    3. I'd like to be able to use a mouse if possible

    Harvey
    No problem there either, just get a mouse with a usb connection and it will work once you've plugged it in.

    It'll cost an extra £5 (fiver) at the most. Trust ones work a treat, just make sure you're not leaning on the mouse pad as you type.

    The biggest problem with a netbook is the lack of cd rom or dv rom drive, but with all the usb ports you really can plug in anything you want to.
    I actually think net books are good, have a real purpose and can be usefull.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    You're welcome, Harvey.

    As Janet mentioned, you can expect a couple of hours battery life.

    I was thinking about what happens if you want to plug in the netbook at your remote location. It's a hassle to have to wind up and unwind a power cord. This also shortens its lifespan. Power plugs can scratch the finish of a machine. If you don't wind up the cord it dangles and is a tripping hazard.

    When I was behind the couch anyway to watch Dr. Who, I plugged in an extension cord back there. Now the cord is always in easy reach.

    If you get a machine with an excellent screen, it will probably have a shorter battery life. Especially if it's always at full brightness outside. It's all up to you what trade-offs you prefer.

    With cloudy weather, the glare issue might not be as important. An awning or umbrella table in the garden might be a simple way to fix glare outside.

    You're right that for what you're doing, remote access is best. Even if the programs work on the little machine, you then have to synchronize the files. It's not too hard, but it's more geekiness between you and your results.

    Still, for web browsing it might be more efficient to work directly on the netbook. Try it both ways and see what you like. For Skype or webinars, you should connect directly from the little machine for adequate performance.

    The bottleneck in remote desktop is the network connection. No way around that short of stringing Ethernet wires around the home. Inexpensive, but even geekier!

    As long as there's enough memory for the OS, remote desktop program, and any other local software, more RAM won't make a difference. 512MB should be OK, 1 GB ample RAM.

    Better CPU performance does help a little bit. Each remote session is encrypted and it takes some local number crunching to decrypt it. The good news is that you're pretty safe from eavesdroppers, even using WiFi.

    Local hard disk capacity is irrelevant for your use. If you can afford it, solid state drives are great: they're silent, have no moving parts, can't crash, and are often faster than regular disks. Just check the reliability reviews before buying.

    You can mix and match XP, Vista and Win7 just fine on either end of remote desktop. Later systems have more features in remote desktop. When you connect, both machines automatically go to their lower common denominator. With your use, you won't miss the fancy bells & whistles features anyway.

    I predict you'll have a lot of fun with the little machine once you get it all set up.

    Lloyd, I used to have an original Mac Portable. It was portable the same way a VW Beetle has lots of room for the entire family! Killer active matrix display and trackball, but the extra ten pounds of lead battery in one end made for quite a workout! The darn thing's probably still somewhere in my storage locker.

    Janet, I love the netbook idea but I've not found a mini-keyboard that works for me. All the typing for the high school paper, then a couple decades of programming, made my fingers too used to a full-size keyboard to scale down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

      The only problem with a netbook is the small keyboard, but once you get used to that it's fine. (most men only type with two fingers anyway!)
      Yes - that applies to me.

      Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

      As far as working in the garden, a netbook will work without power for two hours if the battery is fully charged when you take it out there.
      So, basic question here - how does this tie in with claims that battery life
      is say 7 hours. Is it non-stop usage that reduces it ?


      Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

      If the suns shinning, you shouldn't be on the computer anyway.
      No problem if the sun is shinning.
      It's shining that I'm worried about

      Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

      It'll cost an extra £5 (fiver) at the most.
      Well that's blown my budget.

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      I was thinking about what happens if you want to plug in the netbook at your remote location. It's a hassle to have to wind up and unwind a power cord. This also shortens its lifespan. Power plugs can scratch the finish of a machine. If you don't wind up the cord it dangles and is a tripping hazard.
      Ok.

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      With cloudy weather, the glare issue might not be as important. An awning or umbrella table in the garden might be a simple way to fix glare outside.
      So now I have to upgrade and get an awning built ?

      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      Better CPU performance does help a little bit. Each remote session is encrypted and it takes some local number crunching to decrypt it. The good news is that you're pretty safe from eavesdroppers, even using WiFi.

      Local hard disk capacity is irrelevant for your use. If you can afford it, solid state drives are great: they're silent, have no moving parts, can't crash, and are often faster than regular disks. Just check the reliability reviews before buying.

      You can mix and match XP, Vista and Win7 just fine on either end of remote desktop. Later systems have more features in remote desktop. When you connect, both machines automatically go to their lower common denominator. With your use, you won't miss the fancy bells & whistles features anyway.
      It all sounds good.


      Janet, Chris and others - thanks for your input so far.

      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    If you're going to do this then the best advice is to also invest in a flatscreen monitor and a wireless mouse to enhance the "friendliness" of the netbook setup.

    Enjoy!
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  • Profile picture of the author breadtoaster
    Yes, I couldn't live without my Netbook, it's Acer Aspire AD250 and I simply love it!

    Do you want experts reviews - you may try it in CNETasia.
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