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14 years ago

I've never had an issue and have had both work premises and home address in the AR's.

I don't think most people on your list would have an issue as long as they have the option to be removed upon request.

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Emersion

14 years ago

That worries me too. I used my home address for a long time and never had a problem. But at the same time, you never know who is subscribing to your list. I would hope that it would never be a safety issue but i now use PO Box as it makes me feel more comfortable.

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14 years ago

No. It does not even enter my mind but maybe it should.

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stevetp

14 years ago

PO Box sounds like a fantastic idea for anyone who is worried about this and doesn't have a business address to use other than their home address.

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RMC 14 years ago

Yeah, totally weirded me out one day, someone from my list was like oh by the way you have a nice neighborhood. I saw it on google earth....

I setup a PO box at my local post office and changed all my list settings that day.
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mywebwork

14 years ago

I use my business address - I believe in keeping my work and personal affairs separate.

I also think it lends credibility with anyone else who lives in Honolulu or who is familiar with the area, as my business address is in the downtown core and not in a residential area.

Bill

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R Hagel

14 years ago

There have been some scary moments for online marketers. For example, I think Lynn Terry had someone show up at her door.

Then again, there are nuts everywhere. You might meet them at offline seminars. They might stalk you online. You might be dating one right now.

If you want full privacy, you're probably going to have to "go off the grid" so to speak. That's because if someone really wants to find you, you've probably already left plenty of clues.

For example -- have you registered all your domains under the "domains by proxy" or other private registrations?

If someone enters your email address online, are they going to run into an ad you placed on CraigsList to sell a couch? And if they follow the phone number you left in that ad, will they uncover your address? Or if they email you about that couch... are you going to tell them your address so they can come and buy it?

Do you have a psycho ex dropping your private info online?

Have you ever dropped your private info on Facebook or something? Even if you've protected your FB "Wall" from people who're not your friends... do you really, truly know all your "friends" on FB or other social media sites?

Do you use your real name? If so, and if you're not using other security/privacy measures, then someone can find you using a simple search.

Are you one of those who take pics of your car and post 'em on your web page? Do you blur the license number? Folks can probably track your license plate number and find out where you life.

Ever met up with another marketer or group of marketers in your area? Maybe for a local "meet up" or mastermind? How many of them were stalkers and other nuts -- would you even know if one followed you home?

Do you give a phone number to prospects and customers? If so, is it fairly untraceable -- like a Tracfone you paid with cash?

Have you ever sat on a committee or board where they listed your name and phone number... online? Maybe you volunteered for something -- maybe it was just for your child's school. Or maybe you're currently going to college, and your college has a "phonebook" that anyone can search. If someone did a search for your name online, would they run into these types of lists?

Do you have publicly searchable documents online? Like maybe you incorporated your business, and those forms included your contact info. Or maybe your contact info is listed in some court documents (child custody, got sued, etc).

And so on.

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Point is, any sense of privacy or security you get just from using a P.O. box on a newsletter list is just an illusion... unless you've also taken serious measures to make yourself "invisible" and anonymous online and off.

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RMC

14 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Point is, any sense of privacy or security you get just from using a P.O. box on a newsletter list is just an illusion... unless you've also taken serious measures to make yourself "invisible" and anonymous online and off.

Illusion or not, it still serves a valid purpose.

The point is to at least deter the casual stalker so when you do come across one, you know they are seriously committed to the job, and should be viewed with much more concern.

It's like qualifying your stalker list.

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14 years ago

"It's like qualifying your stalker list. "

That gets my vote for the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time!

Thanks for that..made me laugh!

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R Hagel

14 years ago

I agree, Ross. I wasn't saying that folks shouldn't change to P.O. boxes. I was just pointing out that some folks think they're "safe" because they change that address... but then their info is scattered elsewhere all over the 'Net.

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Sarah Russell

14 years ago

I guess I feel the same way about this issue as I feel about identity theft - if someone is that serious about stalking me or stealing personal information, chances are they're going to find a way to do it, regardless of what I do. Other people are way more savvy about that kind of information-hacking than I'll ever be. For me, it's just a consequence of doing business and having an online identity.

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money2k

14 years ago

I have been online for years and I have had no problem with having my address listed. I have had both home and work addresses listed and have not once had a problem. Depending on how you feel it could be different, but I do not fear for my familys safety at all.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Protected by Smith and Wesson..... need I say more :-)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Protected by Smith and Wesson..... need I say more :-)

I've heard that attack hamsters can be just as deadly and just as effective. Ask Kevin.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

I've heard that attack hamsters can be just as deadly and just as effective. Ask Kevin.

The Smith and Wesson is a lot easier to keep in a holster .

Kevin keeps sticking his head out . :confused:

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

The Smith and Wesson is a lot easier to keep in a holster .

Kevin keeps sticking his head out . :confused:

Scenario:

Crazy dude cases your house for 2 weeks and studies your habits to find out when you are watching TV in your living room.

Crazy dude enlists 2 other crazy guys. All three have guns.

Crazy dudes rush your front door, bust it down and rush you.

Even if you have your gun in a holster all day long, it wouldn't take much to get the jump on someone with 3 people and 2 weeks worth of stalking.

Hell they could wait for you to go take a shower.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Scenario:

Crazy dude cases your house for 2 weeks and studies your habits to find out when you are watching TV in your living room.

Crazy dude enlists 2 other crazy guys. All three have guns.

Crazy dudes rush your front door, bust it down and rush you.

Even if you have your gun in a holster all day long, it wouldn't take much to get the jump on someone with 3 people and 2 weeks worth of stalking.

Hell they could wait for you to go take a shower.

This is exactly why in my family we have NOTHING to do with Guns.

The fact of the matter is you are more likely to have an 'in-family accident' (especially with curious children) than an incident where you shoot the bad guys to save your family.

Just do your homework and read the Stats on it !

IMO its not worth the Risk !!

Anyway, please please dont get me on this Rant about Guns and why you dont need them. This East Tennessee Redneck dont want to spend an hour putting some of you Gun lovers to shame !!

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Lance K

14 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Anyway, please please dont get me on this Rant about Guns and why you dont need them. This East Tennessee Redneck dont want to spend an hour putting some of you Gun lovers to shame !!

I think it may take more than an hour to shame those living in accordance with the Bill of Rights.

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Scenario:

Crazy dude cases your house for 2 weeks and studies your habits to find out when you are watching TV in your living room.

Crazy dude enlists 2 other crazy guys. All three have guns.

Crazy dudes rush your front door, bust it down and rush you.

Even if you have your gun in a holster all day long, it wouldn't take much to get the jump on someone with 3 people and 2 weeks worth of stalking.

Hell they could wait for you to go take a shower.

The thing about security is that you cannot totally eliminate all threats 100%. The moment you believe that you're totally secure, you're at your most vulnerable point. You aim to eliminate as many as possible with reasonable precaution, covering the broadest range of possibilities with a reasonably balanced effort and budget.

It would be the most extreme, slim chance scenario that someone would have the committed motivation to act upon the impulse to stalk and kill a target after two weeks of recon. That's not a random criminal act, and one that even the Secret Service would have difficulty in protecting against. A truly "crazy dude" wouldn't have the focus to sustain that kind of hunting effort. A team of operatives would - and that's a different league. In that case, you're done no matter what you do.

The more likely profile of scenario that you've posed for home invasion would be robbery.

A robbery perpetrator isn't very likely to drive past 50,000 other potential targets an hour out of the city, down a random road in the middle of a 12,000 acre forest, ignoring the "Beware of Dog" signs and sounds of barking (because they WILL be heard by the dogs), to crash through steel doors to find me sleeping.

When the dogs alert, I'm already waiting for you.

(TAKEAWAY: A good dog is one of the best things you can have for security. It will eliminate the element of surprise in almost all cases.)

Originally Posted by discrat

This is exactly why in my family we have NOTHING to do with Guns.

The fact of the matter is you are more likely to have an 'in-family accident' (especially with curious children) than an incident where you shoot the bad guys to save your family.

Just do your homework and read the Stats on it !

IMO its not worth the Risk !!

Anyway, please please dont get me on this Rant about Guns and why you dont need them. This East Tennessee Redneck dont want to spend an hour putting some of you Gun lovers to shame !!

You also don't have a sign out in your front yard that says "We're an unarmed house, please take whatever you want."

You rely upon the possibility that you DO have guns in your house as a potential deterrent. It's the random chance that you might have guns that already plays a factor in a potential criminal's mind when weighing the risks. That being the case, you can go thank your armed neighbors for providing you with that protection.

And since you threw out the challenge, I'd be happy to discuss this with you. I've spent many years debating the issue as a moderator for the largest firearms forum on the internet and haven't lost one yet.

It's well documented that every state that has passed a concealed carry law has experienced a drop in violent crime rates. In places where firearm ownership and legal concealed carry has been compromised, the reverse has happened - violent crime has increased. Chicago, DC, and the entire UK are evidence to this.

John Lott and David Mustard, in connection with the University of Chicago Law School, examining crime statistics from 1977 to 1992 for all U.S. counties, concluded that the thirty-one states allowing their residents to carry concealed, had significant reductions in violent crime. Lott writes, "Our most conservative estimates show that by adopting shall-issue laws, states reduced murders by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%. If those states that did not permit concealed handguns in 1992 had permitted them back then, citizens might have been spared approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and 12,000 robberies. To put it even more simply criminals, we found, respond rationally to deterrence threats... While support for strict gun-control laws usually has been strongest in large cities, where crime rates are highest, that's precisely where right-to-carry laws have produced the largest drops in violent crimes." http://www.guncite.com/lott.pdf

Dr. Gary Kleck, criminologist at Florida State University in Tallahassee states that 2,000,000 crimes are stopped by guns each year. Other studies, including one by the Department of Justice, concludes that 800,000-2,500,000 crimes are averted per year from DGU (defensive gun use).

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

In 2006 the CDC reports 642 deaths for firearm related accidents. This is contrasted with 2,704 deaths in residential house fires, 3,579 accidental drownings and 27,531 poisonings.

The fact remains that your family is at greater risk of your backyard pool than a firearm in the home. Look it up at the CDC site...
Injury Mortality Reports

I've done my homework for years, and I have provided you with the stats and the sources that refute your claim that you're more likely to have an "in-family incident than shoot the badguys to save your family". In fact, the statistics overwhelmingly demonstrate that your family is exponentially at more risk for not owning a firearm.

This is why the gun control lobby has, and continues to fail miserably. The statistics do not support their emotional claims.

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Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Protected by Smith and Wesson..... need I say more :-)

I'm protected by living in the arse-hole of nowhere. Even I get lost trying to find my house.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Protected by Smith and Wesson..... need I say more :-)

I forget where I read this, but ya know how some people put a "Protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker on the storm door of their home to intimidate people? I don't know if this is true, but I read that sticker just tells criminals which house to target for a burglary when you're not home.

Advertising some types of information may not be the best thing to do.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I forget where I read this, but ya know how some people put a "Protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker on the storm door of their home to intimidate people? I don't know if this is true, but I read that sticker just tells criminals which house to target for a burglary when you're not home.

Advertising some types of information may not be the best thing to do.

Not if Smith and Wesson is 135lbs of American Pit .

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Not if Smith and Wesson is 135lbs of American Pit .

Exactly. Only I go straight for 7.63x39 and my wife's favorite gun is her M-16 A1 switched to Rock & Roll.

You don't roll into the valley without being seen first.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Exactly. Only I go straight for 7.63x39 and my wife's favorite gun is her M-16 A1 switched to Rock & Roll.

You don't roll into the valley without being seen first.

7.63x39

Mines a Mini Rugger

wife's favorite gun is her M-16 A1 switched to Rock & Roll.

Yes Mam

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Lance K

14 years ago

I wonder how many brick & mortar businesses think about this.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I wonder how many brick & mortar businesses think about this.

Interesting question. I'd guess not as high a percentage as there are in the IM field who worry about it. I can think of several reasons for it, but the main one is this:

People in a brick and mortar business have already decided the rewards of business ownership outweigh the risk of armed robbery, so they probably aren't too worried about their home address since the most likely place for a confrontation is at their place of business.

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Banned 14 years ago

I'd be more concerned about my family getting snatched at the mall, or car jacked at a stoplight than I would be about a customer 500 miles away. The 1,000 or so people you see/pass everyday are the ones you have to worry about.

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davidjames42973 14 years ago

Several years ago I use to run a newsletter promoting unsigned Metal artists and use to get some bizarre phone calls. One guy claimed that he worked for a big name magazine and he use to call me at 7am on weekends to ask me questions. One time while I was talking to him, he told me to hold on for a minute. After about 10 seconds of being told to wait, I began hearing my voice coming from his room. The dude was recording my conversations with him!

I told him we needed to hang out and have some beers and asked for his home address and phone number. I got all of his information in case if things began to get weirder with this guy...
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

I'd be more concerned about my family getting snatched at the mall, or car jacked at a stoplight than I would be about a customer 500 miles away. The 1,000 or so people you see/pass everyday are the ones you have to worry about.

Distance can give you false sense of security. I remember a case on the Forensic Files some time ago where a 16-year old kid was selling CB radios over the Internet. Long story short, an unhappy customer mailed the kid a pipe bomb and killed him, and crippled his mother.

There's not really a happy ending to a story like this, but the police did piece together the clues and evidence and caught the guy and he was convicted. He won't have to worry about CB radios ever again.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Distance can give you false sense of security. I remember a case on the Forensic Files some time ago where a 16-year old kid was selling CB radios over the Internet. Long story short, an unhappy customer mailed the kid a pipe bomb and killed him, and crippled his mother.

There's not really a happy ending to a story like this, but the police did piece together the clues and evidence and caught the guy and he was convicted. He won't have to worry about CB radios ever again.

I watch that show too.

That's a pretty sad story.

Did they catch the *******?

Makes me not want to do business online.

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Hanz 14 years ago

I don't see any reason to fear anything. As long as you're not throwing out junk and taking off with peoples' money, you should be safe.
Anyway, I just had somebody try to steal a product of mine and now his address and email have been captured. These are the types of people who really should be careful!
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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I don't know if this is true, but I read that sticker just tells criminals which house to target for a burglary when you're not home.

The best burglar deterrent on the planet is the POW/MIA flag, because it means you probably own a lot of guns and are almost certainly crazy. Hang the American flag on one side of the door, and the POW/MIA flag on the other... burglars just look at your house and go "yeah, I don't think so."

Doesn't matter whether you're home or not, either, because these are the kind of people who set traps...
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I forget where I read this, but ya know how some people put a "Protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker on the storm door of their home to intimidate people? I don't know if this is true, but I read that sticker just tells criminals which house to target for a burglary when you're not home.

Advertising some types of information may not be the best thing to do.

The best bumper sticker I ever saw was........

"Insured by Mafia Mutual......You hit us .........We HIT you!"

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Brad Gosse

14 years ago

I have always used a post office box as my address. Because I got my start in the adult business I wanted to ensure my staff's safety. Even when we had a dedicated office building we continue to use the P.O. Box address.

If you work from home this is a must.

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14 years ago

I've had people call me out of the blue. One guy called who was obviously drunk as a skunk. Luckily he only wanted to let me know he liked a product of mine and wanted to know what else he should buy!

Most people run in fear for their life when they see my killer dog. Or maybe it's my smiling mug.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've had people call me out of the blue. One guy called who was obviously drunk as a skunk. Luckily he only wanted to let me know he liked a product of mine and wanted to know what else he should buy!

A loyal and happy customer! What more can one ask for?

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R Hagel 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Most people run in fear for their life when they see my killer dog.

I bet my dog can rip someone's socks to shreds faster than yours can.
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Mark Hess

14 years ago

For those using Aweber and wish to change your address:

Hover your mouse over "my lists" and click "global fields".

The first box is your address...

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14 years ago

I almost never give out my personal email however. I have my throwaway business emails which serves as a bit more "protection"

Either way though, I'm a firm believer that if someone really wants to target you, they will. No matter what you sign up for or don't, you're a target. Just gotta know ways to protect yourself if it happens, oh, and always keep an eye on your credit report for "errors"

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trevor75

14 years ago

I was a little worried about at first, but you now what, you could easily get killed just going to the 7-11. You can't go through life afraid some will stalk you. Besides they could easily unsubscribe if they aren't interested in your emails anymore.

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14 years ago

I do not have a house number or even a street in my address. Just the town. Thats because I live in the middle of nowhere. The Google Earth photo is at least 8 years out of date and Google Street? Forget it. lol

People could find me I guess, but they would have to ask around a lot so I would know they were coming.

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PCRoger

14 years ago

Your not on any of my lists! You would see a P.O. Box in a different city.

An investment newsletter guy I follow just had a reader show up at his door! Nice guy, though, no gunfire (the guys investment advice has been pretty good this past year).

Interesting thing is, though, the investment guru lives in a gated community!

PCRoger.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ryan700

Have you had any trouble with your privacy because of this?

No. Privacy is a polite fiction, anyway. We don't really have any, it's just a general consensus that we're all going to pretend we do. Over time, with all the tools available to violate that fiction, we're just going to stop pretending.

The sooner you get used to it, the better. The only real effect is going to be that when you lie about your life, people will not pretend to believe you anymore. So the practical translation of "get used to it" is "tell the truth."

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

One of the biggest marketers out there for IM just released a video with a Google earth zoom in of his home. I thought it was cool to let me in his world but was thinking that some will take that as an open invitation to just show up one day.

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Vikuna2009+

14 years ago

What about a P.O. Box linkwheel if you are seriously concerned? I have personally been stalked, had to close shop, move, cancel all my friends, stop going to any business that I was going to, had 11 windows broken, did have a pitbull visit (thank god I was not home) and so forth (it got even worse).

Even the most sincere person can turn out to be a maniac. 15 years later, I am still concerned (he is East coast Italian and run off from testifying), talk about bad. Initially, did I know? No.

Once you been there, you know what I am talking about.

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TelegramSam

14 years ago

If you work from home, give your house a name such as:

Maple House
5673 Garden Lane
Cleveland
46723

or whatever. Make it sound like an office block or something.

Then people have less idea that you are working from home.

Another thing I recommend is having a separate business personal name you give out. Then when people ring in you know it is a business issue.

Also, don't go around posting loads of personal stuff all over the place.

The final deterrent will also make sure that if someone unsavoury does come and hassle you then they will be permanently persuaded not to do it again.

There are probably more idiots and nutters that already live less than a mile from you now, than will ever stalk you via your business.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

If you work from home, give your house a name such as:

Maple House
5673 Garden Lane
Cleveland
46723

or whatever. Make it sound like an office block or something.

Then people have less idea that you are working from home.

Haha, that reminds me of something...years ago my wife was really paranoid about having any information online, so I used a PO Box. One of my sites is BoogieJack.com, so I had a mailing address of:

Boogie Jack
1 Boogie Jack Road
PO Box 142
Plover, WI 54467

There is no Boogie Jack Road. The post office always delivers to the PO Box if it's included in the address. I had couple dozen people ask me over the years how I managed to get a road named after me.

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cmaq

14 years ago

The risk is quite low, but worry, perhaps a good idea, it's not expensive to invest in a PO Box, I would suggest it. You can't put a price on safety.

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

I use a P.O. Box, so no worries there.

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SurviveUnemployment

14 years ago

First they'd have to get in the building. Then they'd have to figure out which apartment it was (There are 24 in this building, not marked obviously on the doors.) If they managed to get through the reinforced door, if the cops weren't already here, they'd have deal with my cat (seriously -- he's big, young, tough, territorial and semi-feral. Even my friends wouldn't f with him.). By the time they got to me, I'd be more than ready for them.

No, I'm not worried about that. Even so, I would never broadcast my home address to a bunch of strangers. What are you, nuts?

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

This is why guns are legal in America. Get you some.

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Bruce4573

14 years ago

Hi I have not thought much of this living this far north but I am kind of careful about things and worry more about someone hijacking my profits. I do not have home defense weapons but my seven mm did a three shot group at a thousand under six inches. I also killed a bull moose at over five hundred. I guess at the door its the first guy and whoever is the unlucky next two. O and I sell reloading equipment with Sinclair International so I have to know. But an ounce of caution is the best defense.

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discrat

14 years ago

Im sorry but IMO only an idiot would put their actual physical address where they live on Autoresponder, Landng Page etc..etc...

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

The best burglar deterrent on the planet is the POW/MIA flag, because it means you probably own a lot of guns and are almost certainly crazy. Hang the American flag on one side of the door, and the POW/MIA flag on the other... burglars just look at your house and go "yeah, I don't think so."

Doesn't matter whether you're home or not, either, because these are the kind of people who set traps...

I know a few guys in that group. Most are well adjusted, but one guy is definitely scary. Not someone to mess with, for sure.

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

I watch that show too.

That's a pretty sad story.

Did they catch the *******?

Makes me not want to do business online.

Yeah, he was caught and convicted. That kind of stuff is pretty rare, I'd guess. You can't live your life in fear. Take reasonable precautions, of course, but live your life confidently. As I recall, the guy was furious about having a lower quality CB substituted for the one he ordered. If the kid would have given him his money back it probably would never have happened.

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Kay King 14 years ago

I have a gun and a pit bull.

Of course, the gun is probably buried under about 10 books and the pit bull would lick the person to pieces.

I'm toast.
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Originally Posted by discrat

Im sorry but IMO only an idiot would put their actual physical address where they live on Autoresponder, Landng Page etc..etc...

IMO there are some IM'ers that aren't idiots that do publish addresses that can be found on Google Street view.
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binjai15

14 years ago

I'm afraid of fraud through emails...

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entrepreneurjay

14 years ago

Thats a good point maybe I should switch mine too you never know it could be Jeffrey Dahmers cousin carrying on the name lol. Im not worried about it nothing really private anymore anyways especially in the digital age!

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Some trust in horses, some in chariots but I trust in the name of the Lord my God.
all you do is put up a big sign that says property protected by the blood of Christ

Of course if someone actually did break into my house when I am at home well then they would have the opportunity to meet God before I do

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Some trust in horses, some in chariots but I trust in the name of the Lord my God.
all you do is put up a big sign that says property protected by the blood of Christ

Of course if someone actually did break into my house when I am at home well then they would have the opportunity to meet God before I do

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We've debated many times on the gun forum, What Would Jesus Carry?

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shaunjamie2005

14 years ago

I haven't yet entered the world of email marketing. I still work my 9-5 job as a customer service rep for an insurance company. I will say that every week I speak to at least a handfull of creeps. I have worked for a handfull of customer service jobs over the years and have had people threaten to come to our business and do stuff b/c they were unhappy with the littlest things.

People are crazy when they are unhappy. I would probably go to the length of getting a whole other phone number to list in my emails. I am trying to get away from talking to crazy people on the phone so I don't want people calling me AT ALL. I know people may not call all that much. If they want to reach me they can email me.

Maybe it is bad customer service on my part to not want people calling me, but unless you have ever had a call center job where you talk on the phone to psycho people cursing you out then you would understand why I would rather communicate via email.

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Louise Green

14 years ago

I employ a private security firm to protect me, my family and our home.

It probably isn't needed but better safe than sorry as they say.

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pavionjsl

14 years ago

Being from WV , now living in Pa. Home security has never been a problem.

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Steve Mount

14 years ago

I use a P.O. Box, and a Google Voice phone number. 100% safe!

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14 years ago

Becky scared me, she needs an infraction

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Yankabilly

14 years ago

It does make one think, we have given this a lot of thought and came up with an Idea that being where we are and How The World Is... You are Never Safe Know Matter What You Do... Just watch the News... It's A Crazy World We Live In!

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14 years ago

I worked for an Internet marketer last year who had a fairly "relaxed" approach to product quality and customer service. There was a lot of hate mail for the customer support team to go through, and occasionally I got a look at some of the more interesting emails.

There was threat after threat (I am not the kind of guy you mess with, etc) and even one person who lived locally who threatened to pay us a visit. Another from the US said he was in the UK in the next month and would "pay us a visit and kick down the door". During my tenure as the affiliate manager, I had one very well known IM guru threaten me in an email as well. I wrote about this incident on this forum at the time.

One incident that sticks out in my mind was when one particular idiot sent a message to us saying he was going to (and I paraphrase here) "rape your children". This was a message directed at the marketer and I felt this was totally out of line. The email was given to me and conjuring up the best legal language I could recall from University I told them this was going to be a police matter for whatever jurisdiction they belonged to and I told them I had passed their details on to their local police force, internet provider and email provider.
Their response was instant, making up some story about how they were "so sorry" and their brother had picked up their iphone and decided to send the message for a joke.

Whilst this behavior may seem alarming, my broad-brush assessment of the type of people sending in the emails described above is that they were simply doing this to make themselves feel "big" and help them feel good about themselves so they can sleep better at night and go on deluding themselves that they are some kind of "Tony Soprano" figure. Generally speaking, in my experience, if some nutter is going to do something "serious" then they won't telegraph it or give you any advanced warning, it will just happen. I guess what they is true and it is the quiet ones you should be watching.

Fortunately these nutters are rare, but they are out there. I guess it's just human nature.

Although I do business online, I am fairly confident I have done right by my customers and readers, and would always strive to do right by my customers and prospects if they got in touch. I don't feel like I have wronged anyone to the point where they would feel so aggrieved as to do something dangerous. I could be wrong though, everyone has different opinions and perspectives.

I am confident in my life and business and comfortable with what I do. If I was ripping people off, I'd live in constant fear.

As far as concern for safety, I take reasonable and sensible precautions and think no more of it. If I dwelled on it, I might not come out the house. Being alive today is a risk in itself, no matter where you live.

At 10.30am on a sunny Sunday morning I was walking in the centre of Sheffield to a really nice park where I knew I would find a good bench next to a pond to sit down at so I could read a book. I packed a small back-pack and set off on my way (pretty impressed I was up at 9.30 on a Sunday as well). I was meters away from the park when some lunatic drugged-up pyscho walking past me took a swing at me and tried to attack me. It was pretty intense for a few seconds and pretty scary.
I still like my walks and reading though, and I love walking through cities, I never let that event turn me off "living" it just keeps me on my toes a bit. A subtle reminder to be careful because people out there will try to harm you for no reason.

I approach my business in the same way, I take sensible precautions but don't go overboard. I am of course concerned for my family, but don't feel like I have out them in harms way, and have taken deliberate precautions to remove as many threats as possible to them. Of course, I can't cover all the bases, but I can take sensible steps. Thats all anyone can ever do.

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