A personal apology from me.

by Andyhenry 64 replies
Hi Warriors,

It's been brought to my attention that along with my straight talking attitude sometimes comes a harsh edge that results in some people thinking that my matter-of-fact message is somehow negative and even condescending.

I'm not a guru or someone special - just a normal guy trying to do the best I can with the resources I have.

Obviously no-one likes to hear those sort of things said about them, and I'm particular sensitive to such criticism as I've struggled in many ways during my life and I aspire to be so much more than just the lessons of those times.

So, rather than just ignore that feedback or pretend like those people just don't understand - I'd like to apologise.

If I said anything recently (or ever) that rained on your parade or took away any of a good feeling that you had before my comment and not afterwards - I'm truly sorry.

I can only see things from my perspective (it's the only one I have), so I rely on feedback in order to let me know when I'm not behaving in the way I would like to or that I aspire to.

If you don't know what I'm talking about - Just ignore this dramatic interlude, but if you do, please take my post seriously and remove any negativity I may have induced, it's not good for you or me.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Cheesman
    Hello Andy,

    You are areally great guy, and I myself like the straight talk... I would rather be told straight up than to be lied to or sweet talked..

    Trust me it will help people more to be told straight up in the long run..

    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    What's wrong with being straight forward? It is many times better than beating around the bush!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I think you can tell it straight without sounding nasty, there's a difference between telling it straight and being nasty I think.

    I only say this as I have felt offended before with some comments made - and although it was a while back, I do believe we may have had words in the past Andy as a result of your comments.

    However, I hold no grudges and I understand your intentions were not meant to be nasty. You are obviously someone with some very good knowledge and advice and I'm sure we all appreciate your input on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sirius Lin
    Keep straight-talking, Andy. You know some of us appreciate it!

    ~ Sirius
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    People come here for advice, recommendations &
    suggestions and that's what they should receive.
    We're all adults here and this is a business forum,
    so people need to grow up and deal with what is
    really real. Don't sugarcoat! And don't apologize!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lesley Huntley
    Exactly, I'd rather have the harsh truth than sweet lies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Lesley Huntley View Post

      Exactly, I'd rather have the harsh truth than sweet lies.
      I'm sure many people feel the same, however there's obviously a fine line between harsh truth and when you start to offend people.

      You can't please everyone and I'm not trying to, but I have to accept that if people feel the need to tell me that I'm out of order - I have a responsibility to consider how to improve my communication if I can. At least taking responsibility for it so that people who have never met me and can't read my good nature into words posted on the forum is something I need to consider if I'm going to keep posting here.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        I'm glad you posted this. I respect you a lot and read your posts but you did zap the life out of the other warriors thread.

        There is a difference between being a straight talker and being condescending to other folks. Although I'm certain that wasn't your intention that is how it came out. Cups of coffee vary worldwide so perhaps in his town he can buy a lot more then you can in the UK. I was in London last year and I'm still in sticker shock over the price of everything there.

        Cheers!

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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          I'm glad you posted this. I respect you a lot and read your posts but you did zap the life out of the other warriors thread.

          There is a difference between being a straight talker and being condescending to other folks. Although I'm certain that wasn't your intention that is how it came out. Cups of coffee vary worldwide so perhaps in his town he can buy a lot more then you can in the UK. I was in London last year and I'm still in sticker shock over the price of everything there.

          Cheers!

          Alan
          Hi Alan,

          That's the main reason for this thread.

          When I mentioned the coffee is was really a reflection of the fact that I'd just been to Starbucks and I still can't believe how much they charge, nothing to do with me and my holier-than-thou fancy lifestyle or however it came across.

          I actually got a message from the OP in the thread you're referring to and he thanked me and we're chatting via PM - but it's the other people who jumped in on his behalf which were the ones I actually offended.

          Regardless - I'm not trying to tell anyone how to live their life and if someone gets offended, it's as real to them as if I meant it so I'm still sorry.

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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Andy - You've done a great job at expressing your good nature with this post. And the ability to be able to edit yourself is admirable.

        It should be the goal of all of us, to better ourselves as human beings. But you'd be surprised at how hard self awareness is for some people. I include myself in that "some people". Sometimes it takes an outside source to point out our flaws. And hopefully that outside source does it in a friendly and constructive manner. You've done a great job at being constructive with your criticism.

        Thanks for the post.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
          It can be hard to communicate on the internet without the verbal equivalent of a wardrobe malfunction. Sometimes even innocuous comments can come of short or condescending, let alone "straight talk".

          One thing I always try to do is to follow up criticism by saying something positive about the person or what they're doing. If people feel like you at least understand where they're coming from, there's much less of a tendency for them to feel attacked and get defensive.

          So it might be like:

          "I really don't think xyz about your sales page is a good idea. But it's good that you included abc, and it looks much better than what I probably would have come up with when I was just starting out. I think if you make those changes John mentioned, it'll be much more effective..."

          Something like that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mary Gallivan
          Hi Andy

          It's already in black and white - 'Beware - Straight Talker' and that's what you do.

          Not all people like that, some get very easily offended if they don't hear what they want to.

          I remember getting upset by something you said to me not so long ago, but to be fair to you, it was the best bit of advice you gave me and I will move forward from it. I keep meaning to write to you to thank you for it and will do so soon.

          I think all constructive criticism is healthy and helpful and I believe that's what you provide and you always do it in a nice helpful way.

          Keep up the good work!!

          Best wishes

          Mary
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
          Andy, hair shirts don't suit you.

          You know that your intentions are good and the vast majority of people know that too.

          That a few people are hyper sensitive is not your problem. They are likely to be offended if you were to shake their hand and give them a $50 bill.

          Sometimes tough love and hard advice are the only things that can get through to people who are intent on making mistake after mistake. Sometimnes they'll be offended because you haven't pandered to their expectations. Others will benefit from a wake up call that will save them much time, money and frustration.

          It's better to risk offending ten delicate flowers if you can actually make a difference in the life of one person who will listen.

          Keep up the good work.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            I agree whole heartedly, a hair shirt definitely doesn't suit him

            I've known you for a long time Andy and you've never given anything but excellent advice in that time.

            If the wilting flowers can't stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen.

            This is a marketing forum people, we're known for giving you it straight
            If you ask for advice etc, don't start weepin and wailin because you get it from the hip. If you want lots of cuddlesome stuff, go post somewhere like Anthony Blake

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            Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

            Andy, hair shirts don't suit you.

            You know that your intentions are good and the vast majority of people know that too.

            That a few people are hyper sensitive is not your problem. They are likely to be offended if you were to shake their hand and give them a $50 bill.

            Sometimes tough love and hard advice are the only things that can get through to people who are intent on making mistake after mistake. Sometimnes they'll be offended because you haven't pandered to their expectations. Others will benefit from a wake up call that will save them much time, money and frustration.

            It's better to risk offending ten delicate flowers if you can actually make a difference in the life of one person who will listen.

            Keep up the good work.

            Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Cheesman
    Hello Andy,

    Maybe you should start your replies with a disclaimer?

    Warning: if you are easily affended or can't handle the truth please skip this reply...

    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author keithakin
    Andy,

    I think it is really big of you to be able to put the ego to the side and apologize for something you feel is necessary.

    I do like to hear things straight up, like everyone else. However, straight up doesn't have to be degrading.

    I have had nothing but good experiences with you.

    I am sure no one here thinks you are the big bad wolf!

    Keep shooting it straight!
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Hi Andy,

    Straight-talking is fine except that sometimes, it's better to do it with
    tact, or some diplomacy skills. Which I'm sure you have plenty of =D

    I agree with Lesley with harsh truth and sweet lies.

    With the newbies, gentle truth. For the more advanced, harsh truth.
    If they don't take it, there's no issue for you, is there? Since you're
    telling it as is.

    Asher
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    • Profile picture of the author privateye2500
      Originally Posted by Asher View Post

      Hi Andy,

      Straight-talking is fine except that sometimes, it's better to do it with
      tact, or some diplomacy skills. Which I'm sure you have plenty of =D

      I agree with Lesley with harsh truth and sweet lies.

      With the newbies, gentle truth. For the more advanced, harsh truth.
      If they don't take it, there's no issue for you, is there? Since you're
      telling it as is.

      Asher
      Not sometimes, ALL the time

      And so far as harsh truth and sweet lies - the world isn't black and white - it does and shouldn't be EITHER one.

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Melanie,
        Not sometimes, ALL the time
        I'm not at all convinced of that.

        It depends on your goal. If it is to convince or educate the person to whom you're responding, tact is usually a more effective approach, yes.

        If your purpose is to discourage a particularly bad practice, as well as make it uncomfortable for someone to continue doing/teaching that practice, straight out, harsh truth is often much more effective.

        There is also the (admittedly uncommon) case of someone who is an habitual jerk. They don't deserve tact, and shouldn't get it.


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  • Andy, I personally, have never seen you be unkind. Yes, you "straight talk" to people, but you are not mean or cruel by any stretch of the imagination. I count on the fact that if you tell me something, that's the way it is. I really appreciate that, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Hi Andy,

    We all know that you are a straight-talker. Though you come in strongly there are times we need it.

    If all of us here are smooth talkers nothing good will come out of it :-)

    Maturity, specially in this forum is knowing the value of every thoughts and ideas coming in from members whether positive or negative. That's why this is a forum, for us to hear all of the sides and ideas about the topics we post.

    Last thing, It's so nice of you to ask for an apology. It shows your humility.
    It also shows that even if you come in strong, you do care for the people in this forum :-)

    Keep it up Mr. No2 Thank You Guy!

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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but I hope it doesn't effect the way you make your future posts. Tell it like it is.
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      I ran to get my umbrella, and then it dawned on me that you have never rained on my parade. Thinking about it some more, I realized that I don't really hold any parades. All this thinking made my brain hurt, so I paraded over to the liquor cabinet for some Irish medicine.

      So, you have not rained on my parade. Instead you have driven me to drinking. The thank you card is in the mail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post


        Instead you have driven me to drinking.
        I hope you walk back then if you're going to be drunk, or someone else will need to make sure you're driven to bed
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        So, you have not rained on my parade. Instead you have driven me to drinking.
        I can't see how this could be different to your regular routine...unless there were no hamsters involved.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
      I'm with Martin here, Andy - hair shirts don't suit you.

      Andy, most people that have got to know you from your posts realise your good intentions. If you blow off a bit of steam occasionally, well, it's good to know you're only human.

      As for making a public apology, I'm a bit unsure why you felt the need - seems a tad self-indulgent and not true to form. But if this is the small price we have to pay for your excellent posts, so be it.

      Peter
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post


        As for making a public apology, I'm a bit unsure why you felt the need - seems a tad self-indulgent and not true to form. But if this is the small price we have to pay for your excellent posts, so be it.

        Peter
        Sorry to be so melodramatic, but there were obviously people genuinely offended and I'm just holding myself accountable to them. Yeah, I could do it in the background but then only the people I know I offended get the apology and I know there are a lot more lurking that I might realise so the only real way to deal with them is to stand up and do it in their face so there's no excuses for thinking I'm trying to avoid holding myself accountable in the way I would someone else.

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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I missed the coffee debate. I think the last post I read was the one I contributed to before I went to bed, in which we were talking about awesome posts where you'd really like to say 'thank you' but don't want to dilute a great thread because you've nothing of any great substance to add at the time. As I was typing I was thinking 'Pretty much any thread Andy Henry's ever started, really'.

    I agree with Pete - the public apology thing doesn't seem typical, but I'm more than happy to live with it if we still get the rest. At the risk of sounding sickeningly sucky, just be yourself. It matters what other people think, but there is a limit to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    At the risk of offending someone..

    The worst behaviours on any forum usually come
    from the vigilantes.. the people who jump to the
    defence of people who don't ask to be defended.

    If YOU personally are offended by another warrior's
    remarks, then fine.. take it up privately.

    If you presume that someone else has been offended
    by a remark because of your superior MINDREADING
    capabilites.. keep your comments to yourself.

    That just might eliminate the unnecessary dramas from
    unfolding and we can get on with discussing important
    stuff such as ducks and hamsters.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post


      The worst behaviours on any forum usually come
      from the vigilantes.. the people who jump to the
      defence of people who don't ask to be defended.

      John
      Good point John. I've been guilty of that. :-0

      Your comment reminded me of that post like a year ago of all the characters in forums drawn as cartoons. It was hilarious. I think one of them was "The Vigilante".

      Ah, I just found it: Flame Warriors Home

      No Vigilante though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      At the risk of offending someone..

      The worst behaviours on any forum usually come
      from the vigilantes.. the people who jump to the
      defence of people who don't ask to be defended.

      If YOU personally are offended by another warrior's
      remarks, then fine.. take it up privately.

      If you presume that someone else has been offended
      by a remark because of your superior MINDREADING
      capabilites.. keep your comments to yourself.

      That just might eliminate the unnecessary dramas from
      unfolding and we can get on with discussing important
      stuff such as ducks and hamsters.

      John
      I AM OFFENDED!

      How dare you put ducks before hamsters? You dress-wearing, chicken-squeezing, sheep-gut-gobbling heathen!
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Andy, I do not know what you are talking about because I haven't seen any of those threads you were referring to.

    But honestly, I don't think there is any need to make a public apology of any sort. In fact, I am quite unsettled and shuddered by the regular appearance of public apologies on the WF.

    We are not living in N. Korea or for that matter in China during cultural revolution. Where people who do not conform are forced to make public confessions and apologies.

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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Andy, I do not know what you are talking about because I haven't seen any of those threads you were referring to.

      But honestly, I don't think there is any need to make a public apology of any sort. In fact, I am quite unsettled and shuddered by the regular appearance of public apologies on the WF.

      We are not living in N. Korea or for that matter in China during cultural revolution. Where people who do not conform are forced to make public confessions and apologies.

      -Derek
      Sorry Derek - I wasn't aware they were a regular occurance here.

      I will be in Korea this week though - spooky you should say that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        I will be in Korea this week though
        Just mind you don't offend anyone by apologising too much - or you might have to apologise all over again -- and all over again -- and

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    • Profile picture of the author Flyingpig7
      Hello Andy,

      You sound like a really good guy full of integrity it does take guts & sensitivity to do this thread. (Although I have not seen what this fuss is alluding to).

      I'm fairly new here been watching for a couple of months not done a website yet, but have done loads of learning & reading (ebooks don't ya just love em!).
      I agree wholeheartly with Monetize & Kym that's the reason I come here to hear how the reality is in running a business & to learn.

      Much appreciate your sharing this with us.

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  • Profile picture of the author wassim
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts Andy. You are brave to talk about your mistakes (even though I don't know what was wrong). But if you truly was wrong about something or towards someone, then it's nice of you to mention your feelings now and I am sure everyone will understand.

    Anyway, you don't have to worry because it's not the end of the world. At least you didn't hurt anybody... The world is full of bad guys and you are NOT one of them. I wish you all the luck.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Andy, just make sure you grovel to their Great Leader when you visit Korea




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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    It's been brought to my attention that along with my straight talking attitude sometimes comes a harsh edge that results in some people thinking that my matter-of-fact message is somehow negative and even condescending.

    I'm not a guru or someone special - just a normal guy trying to do the best I can with the resources I have.

    Obviously no-one likes to hear those sort of things said about them, and I'm particular sensitive to such criticism as I've struggled in many ways during my life and I aspire to be so much more than just the lessons of those times.

    So, rather than just ignore that feedback or pretend like those people just don't understand - I'd like to apologise.

    If I said anything recently (or ever) that rained on your parade or took away any of a good feeling that you had before my comment and not afterwards - I'm truly sorry.

    I can only see things from my perspective (it's the only one I have), so I rely on feedback in order to let me know when I'm not behaving in the way I would like to or that I aspire to.

    If you don't know what I'm talking about - Just ignore this dramatic interlude, but if you do, please take my post seriously and remove any negativity I may have induced, it's not good for you or me.

    Thanks for your time and consideration.

    Andy

    Hey Andy thanks for the Post. Although you really didnt need to apologize. But it shows you are a standup guy. I guess when I saw the Coffee comment it just was one of those things that 'hit me ". Seeing this guy all excited and how he worked so hard and it was just a positive story. Then BAM !!
    But I probably was just too sensitive myself. I went back and re read the title of the thread. And I see your point now. That point being how can someone tout something as being long term viable when they themselves have actually been at it for such a short unproven time.

    Anyway, I must admit I am little embarrased that my comments stirred up so much emotion to warrant a whole thread.
    Sorry for being oversensitive and I say keep up the great info. and knowledge you supply here !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Steinitz
    Hello,

    I feel that, sure, one can 'talk straight' but that, in its highest form, it carries a responsibility of extra editing, fact checking, reflecting and underlying kindness. If by 'straight-talking' we mean blatantly disagreeing with what someone has expressed, then I feel it would reflect well on the 'straight-talker' to undertake such censure with a sense of earning the right to 'straight talk'.

    I understand that others may feel that anyone, anywhere, anytime has the right to 'talk straight' and I confess indulgence in from-the-hip straight-talk myself.

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    • Profile picture of the author Harold Hsu
      Andy might seem to have a sharp tongue at times on this forum, but he's actually a really, truly approachable guy in real life. I believe there is a significant number of people in this forum who can vouch for that.

      Now, if he was some newbie internet marketer going around spewing nonsense, I wouldn't have even bothered to post this reply.

      But Andy's been there and done all that. He knows what he's talking about (at least when it comes to making money online), and even though his messages may not be covered in honey and chocolate-rice sprinkles, I think they contain a lot of truth that I often find scarce in the online realm.

      I would rather be smacked in the head and told that I'm wrong rather than to have someone smile at me and say, "it's okay... just keep on doing what you're doing... maybe one day you'll succeed."

      I really do love honey and chocolate-rice sprinkles though. Yummy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
        Originally Posted by Harold Hsu View Post

        Andy might seem to have a sharp tongue at times on this forum, but he's actually a really, truly approachable guy in real life. I believe there is a significant number of people in this forum who can vouch for that.

        I am one of them.

        Don't change a thing Andy

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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Andy,
            I'm sure many people feel the same, however there's obviously a fine line between harsh truth and when you start to offend people.
            I'm not at all sure of that. Many people find the truth, if it disagrees with them or challenges them, to be offensive. You can't worry about those people. Tell the truth and let them decide how they're going to take it.

            By the way, one of the funnier sites I've seen in a long time has a page on the subject: #101 Being Offended Stuff White People Like

            For the record, I don't recall ever seeing a post from you that I thought carried an uncalled for tone.

            Dennis,
            Warning: if you are easily affended or can't handle the truth please skip this reply...
            [chuckle] I used a subject line very much like that today. It's sort of like a "wet paint" sign. You know you sahouldn't touch the bench, but you do anyway.


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            • Profile picture of the author Lesley Huntley
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              By the way, one of the funnier sites I've seen in a long time has a page on the subject: #101 Being Offended Stuff White People Like
              Paul
              Funny, I just bought this book, it's so brilliant. It's that uncomfortable humour, where you think, oh my, we DO do that don't we.

              My brown friends get a real kick out of it too =)
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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Andy...YOU'RE THE MAN!!!

            Next time you feel like making a post that might offend some of the weaker stomached among us, drop me a line and I'll make reference to clubbing baby seals.

            That outta divert some of the negative attention away from your moments of truth.
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
          Hey Andy,

          Like the others have said, I'm not aware of the incident that
          precipitated this thread but....

          Good on you for responding to the feeling that you needed to
          apologise.....

          It takes a real man or woman to admit that they are wrong...

          If you know that you have offended someone, it's up to you to
          make it right.....it sets you free of any seeds of bitterness
          and resentment etc

          Well done Andy...

          Regards

          Greg
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Glad you posted this instead of trying to take up for your actions by speaking in the third person and spouting out generalizations!

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    • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
      I love straight shooters...

      It is simple actually... anyone with a SIZE will make shadow under the sun... and you know... those who are under the shadow might not be happy about it...

      now... is it your business?

      This apology was a nice move...

      RDG :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Andy:

        Since I've been here, I can count on one hand, the number of my threads
        that you've actually agreed with what I said. Most times, I'm told under
        no uncertain terms what an idiotic statement I've made.

        It used to bug the crap out of me.

        Today, I actually wait for your replies and read them carefully.

        Why?

        Because like it or not, there is a lot of wisdom in what you say. So I look
        to see where I can learn from your criticism of me, which is pretty consistent,
        which does tell me one thing.

        You and I think worlds apart.

        And that's fine. I remember one of my college roomies (long time ago)
        whenever we'd talk about anything, and I mean ANYTHING, we'd end up
        arguing. We agreed on nothing. Literally nothing. He was a democrat and
        I was a republican. And from those basic political differences, we were
        worlds apart.

        We couldn't even agree on sports.

        And let me tell you, if you think I'm defensive now, you should have seen
        me when I was 21.

        But over the past few months, I've mellowed. I honestly don't give a rat's
        behind what anybody thinks of me anymore. Because in the grand scheme
        of things, it matters very little.

        Nobody here pays my mortgage.
        Nobody here sends my daughter to college.
        Nobody here holds my hand at night when I get scared.
        Nobody here really cares if tonight is my last night on earth.

        The people who matter most in my life, my daughter and my wife, THEY
        are the only ones whose opinions of me matter. And if THEY tell me I'm
        acting like an ass (which they've both done) THEN and ONLY then do I
        have to seriously consider making the necessary changes.

        As for you my friend, don't change. I wouldn't believe it anyway. You are
        who you are. Some people will like you for it and some won't.

        Welcome to living.

        I choose to spend my time on more constructive things than worrying
        about somebody picking one of my posts apart.

        Split testing my campaigns.
        Making sure my products are solid.
        Sharpening my marketing skills.
        Sharpening my copywriting skills.

        And so on.

        Because the rest of it...is just bull sh*t.

        How is that for straight talk?
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        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Nobody here holds my hand at night when I get scared.
          One of Kevin Riley's hamsters might...if it wasn't being usurped by evil megalomaniacal chickens.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
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        • In other words, Steven, Andy's quite a bit like you.

          I also know that you will tell people how it is too, Steven. You won't mince words. If there is a problem with someone's product or delivery, you will tell them exactly what that problem is and how they can make it better. Steven Wagenheim is also one of the "straight talkers".
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          • Profile picture of the author kf
            Andy - If you say 'sorry' again, you'll probably qualify for Canadian citizenship!

            Oh, sorry ... didn't mean to say that out loud.
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        • Profile picture of the author RobinSkeen
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Nobody here really cares if tonight is my last night on earth.

          Straight talk or not, don't tell me what I care about Steven! You always say something like that and it always bugs me. Stop already! I would miss you terribly.


          Andy, I sometimes find you to be a bit caustic, though never downright rude.

          However, I would never trade the truth from a straight talker for sweet nothings in my ear.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    It's been brought to my attention that along with my straight talking attitude sometimes comes a harsh edge that results in some people thinking that my matter-of-fact message is somehow negative and even condescending.

    I'm not a guru or someone special - just a normal guy trying to do the best I can with the resources I have.

    Obviously no-one likes to hear those sort of things said about them, and I'm particular sensitive to such criticism as I've struggled in many ways during my life and I aspire to be so much more than just the lessons of those times.

    So, rather than just ignore that feedback or pretend like those people just don't understand - I'd like to apologise.

    If I said anything recently (or ever) that rained on your parade or took away any of a good feeling that you had before my comment and not afterwards - I'm truly sorry.

    I can only see things from my perspective (it's the only one I have), so I rely on feedback in order to let me know when I'm not behaving in the way I would like to or that I aspire to.

    If you don't know what I'm talking about - Just ignore this dramatic interlude, but if you do, please take my post seriously and remove any negativity I may have induced, it's not good for you or me.

    Thanks for your time and consideration.

    Andy
    I am offended by this apology. I think it's uncalled for. If you don't go back to being the old Andy, we're going to remove your "Beware - Straight Talker" title effective immediately.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    No idea what you're talking about, Andy, as far as apologizing -- wow, always miss the good stuff

    Hot chocolate drinker here, so cheers, friend!! Glad you’re still coming back
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    With so many responses to your post, Andy, you should feel loved by now right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Funny enough, Andy, I was searching on "Frank Kern" today...

    I found a post by you on some obscure BB.

    You were just as honest and sincere then as you are now. You're making a decent living online...THAT is an inspiration.

    Personally, I've never known you to be 'negative'...only realistic. Nowt wrong with that.

    In fact, I'm looking forward to shaking your hand and buying you a pint at a UK gig...one of these days.

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  • Profile picture of the author jcmentor
    I'm not sure who said it, but I read it a long time ago. Something like...
    "Live life happily without explanation or apology." YEAH!!!

    All the best,

    Jack
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    Soooooooooo...Andy's the guy that made it rain on my picinic basket hey boo boo? And I thought it was Ranger Rick.

    Sorry to hear you felt the need to give a "sorry my bad".
    Good on ya!
    Now...an entire hair suit! That would be sumpin'

    Humble pie tastes like crap but, builds strong bodies 12 ways AND helps to keep us thinking...how powerful words can be. To comfort,to hurt, start a fight or a war, or even prevent one.

    Call me Mr Regret or Mr Dumbass for crap-head things I've done. At 55 my list is a long one.
    Here,occasionally a thread has "gone sour".
    Then reading the venom fly made me feel sooooooooo frustrated.

    Those words would almost never be said face to face.

    Today though, reading THIS thread makes me glad again to be a member.

    I've learned some and am starting to collect hair for my hair suit.
    With two big dogs and me getting more follicly challenged I should be able to get my inseam measured by next Monday.

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  • Profile picture of the author TedMarlett
    I can only see things from my perspective (it's the only one I have), so I rely on feedback in order to let me know when I'm not behaving in the way I would like to or that I aspire to.
    Hi Andy,

    All any of us can do is see from our own perspective in any thing we do.

    We can try to look at things from another persons perspective, but we will not get it all because of our "different life experiences."

    Collectively we say we understand what others are going through and what they think, but do we really? All that we do is a result of how we grew up and our experiences doing so.

    We certainly can try to change our worldview, but in the back of our minds is the "real us" and we still relate to the world with "our" world view, be it old or new--it's all connected.

    Unfortunately our views will upset other people. That's just the way life is when we speak our minds.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kat Bartone
      Hi Andy,

      Seems that there are as many opinions in this thread as there are responders. Some have said keep the straight talk coming, others that they agree with your insight, others that some people might be too sensitive, etc.

      I guess mine is simply this: it seems that you've taken to heart some feedback you've gotten from others, and that it may have held a ring of truth for you. Only you know if it 'feels' true. If it does, you've already taken the steps to change it. If it doesn't, don't worry about it.

      Either way, good for you for what you've done here in this thread. Coming to terms with what we perceive to be limitations/things we don't like about ourselves/etc is not so easy even when undertaken privately, let alone in a public forum.

      I think it's great that you've had the courage to do this. Thanks for making the warrior forum a stronger community with what you've shown here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Good News Now
    I am so new to this forum. I got here just few days ago....but what I have read so far from you, Andy is a great content. Keep up a good work!

    Derek, thanks for the videos about N. Korea.....wow!!!! very touching!

    Vadimus
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