Google + Videos? How Does This Work?

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Quick Q: how does Google index video exactly? Do they only index the larger video sharing sites like YouTube, DailyMotion, etc.? Or would they pick up a video from a blog under the right conditions? Anyone know about this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Keywords and tags, and perhaps the title is my guess

      That seems to be the way they pick up my videos.

      If you're wondering if Google has the ability to index based on the frames I don't think that's what's happening.

      But I'm speculating based on what I've seen...

      KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
        There are a few answers to this - I'm actually running an offline business based on video so I've been perfecting this for a bit now.

        Google indexes video based on Title, Keywords (I usually do 4-6 long tail keywords relating to the title and using the same terminology) and in the near future (with the implementation of Caffeine) google will be able to determine the content of the video based on spoken word.

        Google also takes into context the number of views.

        Not only the big sharing sites get indexed. I'm finding that viddler and Kewego actually get indexed better than Youtube oddly enough.

        One of the best strategies to get videos ranked near the top of google is backlink to the video URL. When we do our work we submit 1 series of videos and then continually submit videos after that pointing to the original videos URL. It gives some heavy linking power.

        The nice thing about video marketing as well is that videos get indexed and ranked faster and higher than regular sites.

        If you want more info check out our website.

        Ottawa's Best Video Marketing Firm |Get Ranked Top In Google For A Testimonial!| (not a plug! It has relevant info there)

        Cheers
        - Adam
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

          If you want more info check out our website.
          Hi Adam,

          I watched your vid and was curious how you get a license for using those commercial audio tracks, and are they expensive?

          KJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
            Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

            Hi Adam,

            I watched your vid and was curious how you get a license for using those commercial audio tracks, and are they expensive?

            KJ
            Notice they're all Jack Johnson... I have a lot of family and friends in the music industry.
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            • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
              Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

              Notice they're all Jack Johnson... I have a lot of family and friends in the music industry.
              How the heck is that going to help me out...

              KJ
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              • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
                Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                How the heck is that going to help me out...

                KJ
                Lol I wish it would... It's really only Jack Johnson... Haha.

                All the stuff I do for clients I have to pay for and its usually just background music. Not terribly expensive. I can give you a few links if you want to fire off a PM.

                The "friends theme" was under 30 secs so it's fair game.

                Don't quote me on this but... the other way around it is just get someone to do a cover for you. Hire a local band, etc...

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                • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                  Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

                  The "friends theme" was under 30 secs so it's fair game.
                  Now you've got my interest.

                  Are you telling me it's ok to use clips as long as I keep them under 30 seconds?

                  KJ
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                  • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
                    Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                    Now you've got my interest.

                    Are you telling me it's ok to use clips as long as I keep them under 30 seconds?

                    KJ
                    Well if it's not I need to find a new lawyer! Canadian laws may be different though. Haha

                    Cheers
                    - Adam

                    Disclaimer: Don't follow any legal advice I give as I don't know what I'm talking about.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                      Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

                      Well if it's not I need to find a new lawyer! Canadian laws may be different though. Haha

                      Cheers
                      - Adam

                      Disclaimer: Don't follow any legal advice I give as I don't know what I'm talking about.
                      Adam,

                      This isn't legal advice...

                      You need to find a new lawyer.

                      Using those audio clips, such as the one on your teaser video, is strickly forbidden regarding the way you are using them. E.g. for commercial use.

                      Additionally, you are putting your clients in jeopardy if you are adding those audios to the videos you make for them. There is no 30 second rule. Period. All copyrighted material, such as the "Friends" piece you are using needs to be licensed from the folks that hold the copyright.

                      I'm certainly not the copyright police, althought I have spent the better part of my career in a field where intellectual property rights are the cornerstone of securing profitability.

                      I suggest you rethink your strategy regarding the use of copyrighted material in the videos you are currently producing. Again, not legal advice, just Warrior to Warrior.

                      KJ
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                      • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
                        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                        Adam,

                        This isn't legal advice...

                        You need to find a new lawyer.

                        Using those audio clips, such as the one on your teaser video, is strickly forbidden regarding the way you are using them. E.g. for commercial use.

                        Additionally, you are putting your clients in jeopardy if you are adding those audios to the videos you make for them. There is no 30 second rule. Period. All copyrighted material, such as the "Friends" piece you are using needs to be licensed from the folks that hold the copyright.

                        I'm certainly not the copyright police, althought I have spent the better part of my career in a field where intellectual property rights are the cornerstone of securing profitability.

                        I suggest you rethink your strategy regarding the use of copyrighted material in the videos you are currently producing. Again, not legal advice, just Warrior to Warrior.

                        KJ
                        Wow... thank you for the heads up. I do have rights for the Jack Johnson stuff but not for the friends theme.

                        Definitely time to look for a new lawyer then.

                        All of the work for the full paying clients has been royalty free however, so at least I'm covered there and don't need to worry about pulling down thousands of videos. But I'm glad i'm nipping this in the bud before it gets out of control....

                        You know, you figure you hire someone who should know this stuff and you don't need to double check... proves I really should look into what they're saying.

                        You just saved me a TON of headache and financial frustration down the road. Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
        They probably do it both by indexing pages and filetypes and maybe other stuff I don't know about.

        According to:
        Google Special Search Features
        the regular Google search searches 13 main file types:

        What file types are returned in a Google search?

        There are 13 main file types searched by Google in addition to standard web formatted documents in HTML. The most common formats are PDF, PostScript, Microsoft Office formats:

        Adobe Portable Document Format (pdf)
        Adobe PostScript (ps)
        Lotus 1-2-3 (wk1, wk2, wk3, wk4, wk5, wki, wks, wku)
        Lotus WordPro (lwp)
        MacWrite (mw)
        Microsoft Excel (xls)
        Microsoft PowerPoint (ppt)
        Microsoft Word (doc)
        Microsoft Works (wks, wps, wdb)
        Microsoft Write (wri)
        Rich Text Format (rtf)
        Shockwave Flash (swf)
        Text (ans, txt)
        Google is also scouring the Web for additional file types that are very rare. You may see them pop up in your results from time to time.
        So if the video on your blog is flash, there is a good chance Google will pick it up.

        A search for "filetype:swf" shows that they have indexed over 67 million swf files:
        Google

        That part with
        "is also scouring the Web for additional file types that are very rare"
        is particularly interesting, I would love to know what those file types are!

        EDIT:
        As for Google video search, they say something about it on their own page:
        http://video.google.com/support/bin/...n&answer=66487

        Google Help › Google Video Help › Google Video Overview › General Questions › How does the Google Video search technology work?

        How does the Google Video search technology work?Print In addition to searching among the many videos that exist on YouTube and Google Video, Google's spiders also crawl billions of pages from all over the Web, finding millions of videos for you to view. Google's advanced spidering technology analyzes the text on the page adjacent to the video, the video caption, and dozens of other factors to determine the video content. Google also uses sophisticated algorithms to remove duplicates and ensure that the highest quality videos are presented first in your results.

        Got a video site?
        Reach more people by making your videos discoverable on Google. Make sure Google knows about your site's video content by submitting a Video Sitemap or a MRSS feed.
        EDIT 2:
        I forgot something obvious. All video has to be played in a player of some form, and all players have some words/code/metainformation etc that probably would allow Google to recognize if a site has video on it or not.

        Just something as simple as the fact that many videos that are put on the web using camtasia often has the phrase "Created by camtasia studio" could be used to find videos:
        http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...48890d3c90c6fc

        And in the html for those sites, there are loads of information that tells that the site has video on it.

        I'm sure Google have hundreds of procedures in place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Google looks at video like any other website. You need properly SEO your video marketing website with keywords in title, descriptions and tags.

    I have heard (not tested personally, so here is the warning) from Frank at Traffic Geyser that google can detect the words you speak in a video.

    I also notice that google likes older videos with views, I find that normally that videos that are about a year and a half or older tend to do better. I am actually planning my high google ranking by making videos now for a year or more now to dominate google which are optimized using my strategy (see sig).

    Last point is that google likes at backlinks, Page Rank of video sites just like any other website. The reason a lot of other website do better is that they got high backlinks and PR (just like a normal site like that tends to do better).

    Cheers,
    Mukul
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    @Bjarne, thanks for the in depth research on that, that's helpful. I guess now I'm thinking if you have any hopes of getting a blog video indexed the blog or the page it's on would likely need a lot of relevant backlinks, just like SEO for anything else. i.e. Google wouldn't prioritize it just because it's video and naturally rank it higher (which is what I was wondering sort of). I'll have to experiment with this I guess and find out the hard way :/
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
      Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

      @Bjarne, thanks for the in depth research on that, that's helpful. I guess now I'm thinking if you have any hopes of getting a blog video indexed the blog or the page it's on would likely need a lot of relevant backlinks, just like SEO for anything else. i.e. Google wouldn't prioritize it just because it's video and naturally rank it higher (which is what I was wondering sort of). I'll have to experiment with this I guess and find out the hard way :/
      Not true at all... I've got lots of videos ranked high without a blog.

      Just google (without quotes)

      "henry county dentist" - 3rd place
      "kansas third party containment" - 1st,3rd,4th,5th


      ... I'm searching for others.

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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
        Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

        Not true at all... I've got lots of videos ranked high without a blog.

        Just google (without quotes)

        "henry county dentist" - 3rd place
        "kansas third party containment" - 1st,3rd,4th,5th


        ... I'm searching for others.

        Cheers
        - Adam
        Adam

        I think we're talking about something different, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to show with those search terms?

        What I'm saying is Google will prioritize videos that are on HIGH PR video sharing sites, but if you're going to rank a video that's on YOUR site (like a blog or static HTML site) you'd need links going back to that page + video to get it ranked the same way it's ranked as a video on Photobucket, Youtube, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
          Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

          Adam

          I think we're talking about something different, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to show with those search terms?

          What I'm saying is Google will prioritize videos that are on HIGH PR video sharing sites, but if you're going to rank a video that's on YOUR site (like a blog or static HTML site) you'd need links going back to that page + video to get it ranked the same way it's ranked as a video on Photobucket, Youtube, etc.
          Instead of trying to get the page to rank high why not just blast the web with videos that have call to actions in them to go to your website for more info? Might be easier to do. Then just put the url of the website you want ranked in the description of the video.

          Thoughts?
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          • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
            Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

            Instead of trying to get the page to rank high why not just blast the web with videos that have call to actions in them to go to your website for more info? Might be easier to do. Then just put the url of the website you want ranked in the description of the video.

            Thoughts?
            I already do this, I built my first digital product business using nothing but YouTube traffic and video sharing traffic (see sig). The only problem is these sites decide what they host and how long they'll host it, they have YOUR content. It's the same as submitting articles to a directory--so I'd rather put the video on my own site and have the traffic come directly to my site, that's what I'm talking about here (and trying to achieve).
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            • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
              Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

              I already do this, I built my first digital product business using nothing but YouTube traffic and video sharing traffic (see sig). The only problem is these sites decide what they host and how long they'll host it, they have YOUR content. It's the same as submitting articles to a directory--so I'd rather put the video on my own site and have the traffic come directly to my site, that's what I'm talking about here (and trying to achieve).
              Yeah unfortunately that's back to traditional SEO. The videos do help because google takes into account the length of time people spend on your site... and video makes a huge difference.

              The only way to consistently stay at the top with video is with multiple submissions with different titles and keywords. Our video marketing programs go out about 4000 times a month / client. So that's how we stay at the top... but it's not easy in some niches.

              I just started using Angela's backlinks from the WSO section for our business website... might be something to look into. They're all PR6+ (no affiliation btw)
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      • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
        For many keywords and phrases that give hundreds or thousands of hits from articles and websites, there might still not be any or - at least few videos - available online.

        There are still more people in the world that know how to put their writing on the web, than video.

        So yeah, a video about "Paris Hilton" posted on your new blog VS the same video posted on CNN.com, would probably not outrank the CNN one.

        But if you post a video about something that there are few videos about, for example:
        "amoeba Entamoeba histolytica" (10 hits in Google video), you could "own the niche" - at least in video searches.

        (That was probably not a very profitable example though!)

        So I'd say that there is still plenty of time to get started with video. Kind of like the early days of the net all over again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam B
    I believe at the moment Google only goes by the title and description. This may be changing I dont know but I have run tests and uploaded videos and used certain keywords in the titles and had great response.
    If you need initial views there are ways to bump up your videos, a bit black hat for here though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam B
    You know what a lot of people actually use youtube when searching I know I do.
    Sometimes Youtube is more appropriate for search.
    If im searching something that is more visual then I will search for it on Youtube.
    Does anybody else here use youtube to search?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Nolan
      Originally Posted by Adam B View Post

      You know what a lot of people actually use youtube when searching I know I do.
      Sometimes Youtube is more appropriate for search.
      If im searching something that is more visual then I will search for it on Youtube.
      Does anybody else here use youtube to search?
      For anything technical related or reviews yeah... its actually how i ended up almost super glueing my eye shut yesterday.

      I was trying to fix my mighty mouse and was following along with the video pretty intently, wasn't paying attention and super glue was in the process. I got it on my hands and then rubbed my eyes... yeah took 20 minutes in the bathroom with soap and hot water to get it off. Epic Fail.

      Live and learn! haha
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    • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
      Originally Posted by Adam B View Post

      You know what a lot of people actually use youtube when searching I know I do.
      Sometimes Youtube is more appropriate for search.
      If im searching something that is more visual then I will search for it on Youtube.
      Does anybody else here use youtube to search?
      Yes Adam tonnes do, it is the #2 most used search engine after google (bigger then Yahoo). I use it for anything techincal or how to related.

      Cheers,
      Mukul
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    • Profile picture of the author Obilex
      Originally Posted by Adam B View Post

      You know what a lot of people actually use youtube when searching I know I do.
      Sometimes Youtube is more appropriate for search.
      If im searching something that is more visual then I will search for it on Youtube.
      Does anybody else here use youtube to search?

      I do all the time, esp for music or a band I have never heard of that somebody suggests to me.
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