WSO threads are becomming even more expensive than Google Adwords

by nicheboy Banned
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I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.

What is truly alarming is the speed with which most tthreads get bumped down to page 3 out of site and mind of WSO traffic.

At $20 a bump each time, my clients have to be bumping up their threads somtimes every 8 hours. This is shocking. Each time they bump up less people buy until by the 4th or 5th bump they are literally wasting their $20.

What this means is that less traffic actually view their offer before it gets relegated to the back pages.

We have worked out that this is roughly equivalent to PPC 25p/click!! for your average offer unless you are offering automated backlinking or SEO.

Now it appears that google adwords will have advantages over this model as you can pause your adwords campaign and change whenever you want and you don't get pushed from where the eyeballs can see you unless you are quite foolish.

With WSO's you have no choice as you see your thread sink out of sight.

The deep pockets in this forum are again able to dominate as they are able to continually renew their threads.

Nicheboy
#adwords #becomming #expensive #google #threads #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    Yeah, this is what has stopped me offering a WSO, although we have a massive audience here on WF, there are a set few 'topics' that are curently hot, and if you are not part of it, it can often be a waste.

    However, I must also add that a WSO is a secondary sales channel as you should be selling the product elsewhere. So any profit over the $20 cost is profit you would not have seen, so after the 4th or 5th time I would say 'enough' if what you are saying is true.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Your complaining about getting 25p clicks in the internet marketing niche... Seems some what flawed to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        Your complaining about getting 25p clicks in the internet marketing niche... Seems some what flawed to me.
        Haha nice one.

        WSOs are great for testing and getting your initial cash flow.

        I have also experienced the drop off like you said - however that is natural with any advertising channel.

        Eventually you are going to tap out the audience.

        From what I have gathered with my WSO experiences, you use them to get the general word of your product out, get some reviews, improve your product, etc.

        Then you move on to the entire IM market.
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        • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
          Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

          Haha nice one.

          WSOs are great for testing and getting your initial cash flow.

          I have also experienced the drop off like you said - however that is natural with any advertising channel.

          Eventually you are going to tap out the audience.

          From what I have gathered with my WSO experiences, you use them to get the general word of your product out, get some reviews, improve your product, etc.

          Then you move on to the entire IM market.
          Interesting you say that, as if WSO have to be offered elsewhere first, it shouldn't really be a testing ground, however a lot of people have suggested it is.

          It has opened my mind a little about the different ways I could be using a WSO besides what I considered to be a cut price sales push for my products when it's income starts to decline with the masses. The testimonials and feedback from seasoned marketers is really well worth the $20 tag... something i hadnt really considered before.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheboy
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    You forget that products sold at WSO have to be deeply discounted from original price in order to qualify. So in effect in real terms that 25p/click is effectively 50p or more per click
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

      You forget that products sold at WSO have to be deeply discounted from original price in order to qualify.
      25p in the IM niche is a gift... Discounted or not, it is a cheap and effective way to get your product seen. If you think it is to much and hurting business that much, why use it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
      Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

      You forget that products sold at WSO have to be deeply discounted from original price in order to qualify.
      No, they don't. They have to be cheaper than you could buy them elsewhere, but there's no particular amount specified in the discount. People often do* price them quite a lot lower than they would sell them to the public in order to make it seem like a great deal, but you don't have to.



      *Supposedly, anyway. I suspect most of them don't ever get sold anywhere else, making the public price pure fiction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    A person who has 4 posts and joined last month shouldn't be giving any advice when it comes to running WSO's...

    Especially, when you didn't even know how fast the WSO section moves..

    Tell your "clients" running "WSO campaigns" to produce better products or contribute to the forum more so people look for their offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      A person who has 4 posts and joined last month shouldn't be giving any advice when it comes to running WSO's... .
      I totally agree with you here. I think that Allen made a big mistake when he removed the 30 or 50 posts needed before you could do a WSO. You have to have 50 posts to be able to send someone a PM, yet you can post a WSO as long as you have paid your $35. I believe I have seen a WSO as a first or second post before. I know their post count doesn't show their experience, but I for one want to know that they have contributed here before they set out to make money from the members here. I thought that was Allen's position before he made it a paid only forum. I believe that a person should be a member for 90 days before they should be able to do WSOs. I sure hope that Allen is rethinking this, but I get the impression that he is not.

      For the most part, I avoide the WSO forum for the most part any more. I only go in there on rare occasions. And this thread is a major contributor to my reasons for staying away from that forum. I know of one fellow that ran a WSO and a new member bought it and then turned around and was reselling it in a WSO. That is what letting people run WSOs when they have only been a member for a day or two and have minimul posts. That person had only been a member for a week or so. I know that disallowing those members from running WSOs cuts into Allan's pocket, but I can't believe that is the reason for this. I sure hope he reviews this decision and requires a minim time period of membership and a minimum post count to run the WSOs soon.

      But, on the other hand, if the WSO wasn't worth posting your product, then it wouldn't be so popular. It is all about the ROI, and I am sure that if you have a good product, let me repeat that, if you have a good product, then it will be worth posting to the WSO board. I have never heard anyone say that it is anything less than the best place to pitch your products. I have never posted there so I can't say.

      So I agree with you on one point, but can't say that I agree on your other point.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheboy
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    i expected that response , but free speech so there
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpro
      WOW,

      Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

      i expected that response , but free speech so there
      Boy you really told him off.

      I have to give this the dumbest response of the day award.

      Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    It comes down to return on investment, if you can turn your $20 into $40 it's still a very good ROI.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Take a hike 'niche boy'. Your not even eligible to post WSOs. If you have client's who post WSO - how did they find you? Or is this just a secondary account on Wf?

    As for this ->

    i expected that response , but free speech so there

    It's a forum, not a democracy. Go where you feel you get the best return.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Hey Mike,

    My thoughts EXACTLY.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    You're probably right.

    You should pass it on to your friends
    that there's no opportunity for instant
    money on the WSO forum here.

    Waste of time and money better spent
    on PPC.

    Nothing to see here.

    Not recommended as a strategy anymore.

    Old hat.

    Sucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Hmm, let's see. And this is just from my last wso. I spent $140 bumping and purchasing it over an 8 day period....

    In those 8 days, I made over $1k. Total profit was around $1k.... I will gladly hand over $140 to anyone who wants to give me back $1k plus...over and over and over again LOL.

    Stop complaining, look at the ROI and if it makes sense for you or your clients, do it. If it doesn't, find somewhere else that you can get a better ROI in the IM world.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      Stop complaining, look at the ROI and if it makes sense for you or your clients, do it. If it doesn't, find somewhere else that you can get a better ROI in the IM world.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Sylvia
      I think that's the key Sylvia, if there's a better place in the IM world to get a ROI the way the WSO board does, in 8 or 9 years I still haven't been able to find it.
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    • Profile picture of the author cellcom
      It's obvious the OP is ill-informed or has ulterior motives (trying to stir the pot perhaps ?) for their post.

      #1 - Obviously the WSO's are working if that many are being posted

      #2 - Price per click in and of itself is meaningless. The only number that matters to anyone is ROI.

      #3 - If the ad copy, product and price point are right - there should be more than enough sales on the bump to justify the $20 cost. Will sales decrease - yes, but not to 0 - I have seen wso's that are running today that have been running for 5-6 + weeks.

      Just my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author MissDarling
      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      Hmm, let's see. And this is just from my last wso. I spent $140 bumping and purchasing it over an 8 day period....

      In those 8 days, I made over $1k. Total profit was around $1k.... I will gladly hand over $140 to anyone who wants to give me back $1k plus...over and over and over again LOL.

      Stop complaining, look at the ROI and if it makes sense for you or your clients, do it. If it doesn't, find somewhere else that you can get a better ROI in the IM world.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Sylvia
      I like those numbers!!!!

      I love this forum.

      Perhaps we can reach out to nicheboy and help him a little more to see that there really is plenty of opportunity out there for anyone that gets themselves positioned positively and implements a good plan!
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      • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
        Originally Posted by MissDarling View Post

        I like those numbers!!!!

        I love this forum.

        Perhaps we can reach out to nicheboy and help him a little more to see that there really is plenty of opportunity out there for anyone that gets themselves positioned positively and implements a good plan!
        That's a nice idea but nicheboy and his other personalities have been banned. It's never a good idea to cheat people but especially to cheat people here and then complain about not being able to do a good enough job cheating them because you don't like a service. Happy they were banned and hopefully other scammers will not even bother to try something like that again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Originally Posted by MissDarling View Post

        ...

        Perhaps we can reach out to nicheboy and help him a little more to see that there really is plenty of opportunity out there for anyone that gets themselves positioned positively and implements a good plan!
        Please "Don't Feed the Trolls"

        Have a Great Day!
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        • Profile picture of the author Paxton
          Ok, so the WSO system might have some perceived flaws - but what in life is perfect?

          What is boils down to is that WSO's are essentially a tool. A tool to use and hopefully make a decent profit.

          Trouble is, as with almost everything in Internet Land, it's a tool that gets abused.

          You could add a thread on WF that spits out $100 bills for every $1 you feed in - people will still try to scam it by sending in fake dollar bills.

          This thread is a pretty good example of what NOT to do.

          If you abuse the tools you have at your disposal, eventually you get caught out.

          If your horizon stretches beyond making a quick buck, then the WSO is a mighty powerful tool to have in your arsenal and that's from probably the least prolific WSO poster - 2 in 2 years.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            The real issue is caused by the members - they buy something crappy, don't make a negative comment, but often stating they bought it, and everyone jumps on it. It's an easily resolved issue if members would simply give honest, objective feedback.
            This is key as I see it...if people provide negative feedback when the WSO is crappy it will fall off the first page and stay off because no one is going to keep bumping a losing WSO. After a few losing WSO's, maybe some of the junk providers will get discouraged and either go away or make better products.

            But people do not provide negative feedback often enough. Why not? They don't want to make waves, or they get their money back and go away happy, or they don't want to admit they bought a pig in a poke, or maybe they're a newbie and just don't know any better or lack confidence in themselves. There are lots of reasons, but it happens.

            Long story short, if you want the WSO forum cleaned up, be willing to write a negative review if the WSO you buy sucks. As long as you keep your negative comments directed to the product and not the warrior you'll be within the forum rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I've always treated the WSO section as a "testing ground" to see if there's a demand for a product, and to measure how well it sells to the target market.

    WSOs shouldn't be the "main" form of selling, it should be to see if something will sell in a competitive market place like the WSO section. If you can sell your product to the cut-throat people of the WF (in a good way!) then selling it to the average person using traditional IM marketing to a landing page should be that much easier.

    My 2c at least

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  • Profile picture of the author AFD
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.

    What is truly alarming is the speed with which most tthreads get bumped down to page 3 out of site and mind of WSO traffic.

    At $20 a bump each time, my clients have to be bumping up their threads somtimes every 8 hours. This is shocking. Each time they bump up less people buy until by the 4th or 5th bump they are literally wasting their $20.

    What this means is that less traffic actually view their offer before it gets relegated to the back pages.

    We have worked out that this is roughly equivalent to PPC 25p/click!! for your average offer unless you are offering automated backlinking or SEO.

    Now it appears that google adwords will have advantages over this model as you can pause your adwords campaign and change whenever you want and you don't get pushed from where the eyeballs can see you unless you are quite foolish.

    With WSO's you have no choice as you see your thread sink out of sight.

    The deep pockets in this forum are again able to dominate as they are able to continually renew their threads.

    Nicheboy
    If you have a quality product, you don't need to worry about it... I don't mind bumping and paying $20 every day as long as I profit.. set lower goals and don't expect too much.. that's that way how it works... you can't prohibit fellow WSOs from making money... make quality product and have 15 to 20 sales per bump...
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Hehehehe...busted
      Hehe, I loled
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    • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Just saw this on the WSo thread:




      Hehehehe...busted
      I LOL'd and woke up my kid... thanks Mike

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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Just saw this on the WSo thread:
      Originally Posted by lgibbon
      It would appear that,
      Sean Wells, graham41 and nicheboy
      have all posted from the same IP.
      Would they care to explain?
      Hehehehe...busted
      3 people all pulling together at the same time, Where I come from they would call that a circle jerk.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Just saw this on the WSo thread:




      Hehehehe...busted

      I here a thud, yes I do believe the proverbial "other" shoe has just hit the floor, or could it be something hitting the fan?

      So I guess his 3 clients were himself? He sure got his public flogging in the town square, let that be a lesson to you whoever you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author svarog
    That's the way the market works.
    The moment people understand bumping isn't worth the cost, they'll stop bumping, and then either the administrators will drop prices, or there will be less competition and bumps will be worth the cost again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.

    What is truly alarming is the speed with which most tthreads get bumped down to page 3 out of site and mind of WSO traffic.
    This reads like a self-inflicted wound.

    If you truly believe the threads are getting bumped down too fast stop adding to the problem.

    Appearently YOU are causing others to suffer this calamity by your actions.

    Perhaps you should rethink your strategy here.

    Just sayin'...

    KJ
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      but free speech so there
      So there? LMAO. Is the original poster about 8 years old?

      Good job, Big Mike, of noting the connections.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Okay, let's look at this whole issue objectively.

      Yes, technically, the WSO forum threads travel at the speed of light. I have
      done some very extensive tracking on this and depending on the day and
      time your WSO is posted, I have seen threads disappear from page 1
      anywhere from 4 to 8 hours and from page 2 anywhere from 8 to 12 hours.

      It is what it is...deal with it.

      How?

      1. Offer something THAT when people see it (first go round) they can't
      help but check it out (title of thread)

      2. Write compelling copy for the product. I've had people ask if they
      could steal mine.

      3. Make an offer that is so good, the person would have to be crazy to
      pass it up.

      By doing this, you will get more than enough sales and feedback so that
      the second time around, the number of responses will have OTHER people
      check out the offer.

      In addition to this, you should be building a list OUTSIDE of this forum.

      I would say that 50% of the sales from any WSO I run come from my
      personal list.

      The good old days of having your WSO on page 1 for 2 days are over.

      Adapt or die.

      It's that simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      And what exactly the OP is complaining about?:confused:

      Well, you can contact Allen and tell him to stop receiving more WSO so you keep enjoying a 1st page presence longer (I highly recommend you contact Allen and ask him for that, he is a very helpful dude and probably will ask you about your address to send flowers as well)

      Seriously guys, the WSO section needs an AGGRESSIVE make over, and here are my suggestions, (I know this maybe a little controversial, but this is my opinion):

      1-Raising the fees to $50 instead of $20, this will turn off boneheads and clowns from jumping in, only serious marketers with valuable products and solid marketing knowledge will be their (not absolutely, but at least this will remove few weeds)

      I am not against newbies trying to make some money, but I truly believe selling marketing knowledge for warriors, many of them are newbies seeking guidance isn't the best practice

      2-Accept WSO from members who are members for at least 6 months, and with post count of at least 100-200 posts (yeah yeah, I know post count isn't necessarily a measure, however, isn't it fair to request certain level of contribution from a member before giving him/her an opportunity to make money from WF?)

      3-The difference in the fees ($30) shall be passed entirely or partially to the moderators who review the WSOs and approve them,
      This will be a compensation for their time they will spend to review THE PRODUCT itself, not only the sales pitch,

      They won't judge the products or evaluate them, just follow pre specified guidelines to approve or disapprove products and offers , this will prevent 4 pages non sense reports, and SEO advice from 1 month experienced writer to pop up all the time..


      Let's discuss these suggestions, I really treat this forum as my community and I hate it when I see an ignorant trying to take advantage of members here..

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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Hi All,

        Seriously, I rate this post (Quoted Below) as equal or even a step worse than the Original Post, NOTE I did not say the original poster, I'm talking about the post not the person.

        "We" don't have to discuss anything RE: Fixing the WSO forum. "We" just have to follow the rules and enjoy the great service Allen Provides for the reasonable price. $50 dollars would weed out a lot of the good guys.

        Scammers, boneheads and clowns do have money you know. Buyers do a pretty good job of reviewing and we are not a bunch of kids who need the adults to pre screen all the WSOs for us.

        IMHO

        George Wright



        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        And what exactly the OP is complaining about?:confused:


        Seriously guys, the WSO section needs an AGGRESSIVE make over, and here are my suggestions, (I know this maybe a little controversial, but this is my opinion):

        1-Raising the fees to $50 instead of $20, this will turn off boneheads and clowns from jumping in, only serious marketers with valuable products and solid marketing knowledge will be their (not absolutely, but at least this will remove few weeds)

        I am not against newbies trying to make some money, but I truly believe selling marketing knowledge for warriors, many of them are newbies seeking guidance isn't the best practice

        2-Accept WSO from members who are members for at least 6 months, and with post count of at least 100-200 posts (yeah yeah, I know post count isn't necessarily a measure, however, isn't it fair to request certain level of contribution from a member before giving him/her an opportunity to make money from WF?)

        3-The difference in the fees ($30) shall be passed entirely or partially to the moderators who review the WSOs and approve them,
        This will be a compensation for their time they will spend to review THE PRODUCT itself, not only the sales pitch,

        They won't judge the products or evaluate them, just follow pre specified guidelines to approve or disapprove products and offers , this will prevent 4 pages non sense reports, and SEO advice from 1 month experienced writer to pop up all the time..


        Let's discuss these suggestions, I really treat this forum as my community and I hate it when I see an ignorant trying to take advantage of members here..

        A Bary
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        • Profile picture of the author A Bary
          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          Hi All,

          Seriously, I rate this post (Quoted Below) as equal or even a step worse than the Original Post, NOTE I did not say the original poster, I'm talking about the post not the person.

          "We" don't have to discuss anything RE: Fixing the WSO forum. "We" just have to follow the rules and enjoy the great service Allen Provides for the reasonable price. $50 dollars would weed out a lot of the good guys.

          Scammers, boneheads and clowns do have money you know. Buyers do a pretty good job of reviewing and we are not a bunch of kids who need the adults to pre screen all the WSOs for us.

          IMHO

          George Wright
          Well, sorry George if you got it as a critique for how things are done here, I know Allen and moderators are doing their best to make this place better, however, it was just a suggestion for discussion, nothing more...

          And my suggestion that moderators review the products doesn't mean buyers are kids, but buyers can't know what is behind until they pay for it, getting a moderator to review it is more like a professional REVIEW for the product before it goes live,or like giving a review copy for a trusted professional who can evaluate it..

          Anyways, my apologies for anyone found my suggestion unreasonable, just a try to make this place better

          Regards

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  • Profile picture of the author rayx
    First of all WSO traffic is higher quality traffic than PPC ...unless you know something I don't?

    WSO is a place people go to buy products, most PPC traffic is not specifically looking to buy.

    For the argument that you can't get 0.25 per click in IM I beg to differ. you just have to know where to go, I know of a marketer (known as jbode on WF) that gets subscribers for less than 0.25 using PPC ...I may not have a lot of post here, but I understand marketing and PPC and WSO are completely different in my book
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    If your WSO is of excellent quality, you will make back your costs for bumping plus quite a bit of profit. If you can't take a bit of competition then don't let the door hit you on the way out. If you can't handle competition then perhaps this is not the industry for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    LOL... this thread has been classic...

    It started off as a really poor attempt at a whinge.. but it turned really funny, really quick..

    BigMike.. thank you

    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    As a sidenote...

    With the amount of Fake I.D.'s goin' on in that WSO thread, anyone who has posted in that thread should be worried about being guilty by association...lolz Any of them could be the same person

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      I too have noticed a bit less exposure with the new system, it gets bumped off the page faster.... but I can bump my WSO anytime I want instantly so the extra control over the time is well worth it.

      I have never spent $20 bumping a WSO where at least the $20 wasn't returned. Still a great investment in my opinion. Maybe your "clients" don't exist, or they're selling something of low quality or low demand?

      Even if it is .50 a click, I've always made a great return so I still continue to do it. And I am not a "deep pockets" seller by any means.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Wow! Talk about a poor sport.

      Attempting to devalue the WSO so everyone else will go elsewhere to advertise their products. Sounds like an immature attitude to me.

      Sorry, kid. It doesn't work here. We know the value of the WSO section and know how to use it properly. We understand the pros and cons and the competition we face. And if you've been here any time at all, you know the ads disappear quickly - and you should know that there are thousands of Warriors, a good percentage of whom advertise in the WSO section. It's common sense how that can affect your ad placement.

      It's hard to imagine anyone posting a WSO and not making at least one sale, which would pay for your WSO. Anything after that is pure gravy (profit, in case you don't get it).

      Would you rather pay $20 to extremely targeted traffic, or $20 to tire-kickers?

      Seems to me that if you can't make it in the WSO section, either your products aren't worthy, your ad writing skills are inadequate, or your timing is off. Take them to a wider audience and see how well you do. Don't waste your time trying to manipulate Warriors.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Sean Wells, graham41 and nicheboy
    have all posted from the same IP.
    So I guess we know what three people he's helping with their WSO campaigns.

    Hey Sean/graham/nicheboy - there's this movie called "Sybil" starring Sally Fields...you should see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    With WSO's you have no choice as you see your thread sink out of sight.
    No kidding -- tell me about it!

    Boy, back in the day you could post a WSO, do a sock puppet act with another identity... and be rolling in the dough!

    These days you have to take on at LEAST two extra identities to praise your own product, PLUS you have to keep bumping the dang WSO.

    I don't know. It's enough to make you want to quit.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      No kidding -- tell me about it!

      Boy, back in the day you could post a WSO, do a sock puppet act with another identity... and be rolling in the dough!

      These days you have to take on at LEAST two extra identities to praise your own product, PLUS you have to keep bumping the dang WSO.

      I don't know. It's enough to make you want to quit.
      Oh damn, I am really sad to miss the sock puppet shows
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      No kidding -- tell me about it!

      Boy, back in the day you could post a WSO, do a sock puppet act with another identity... and be rolling in the dough!

      These days you have to take on at LEAST two extra identities to praise your own product, PLUS you have to keep bumping the dang WSO.

      I don't know. It's enough to make you want to quit.
      Shouldn't that have been "It's enough to make you want to QUILT".

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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    I agree with everything except the price increase. If a wso doesn't work now, your not out much, but if you have several wsos running at $50 each it can get expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    It's hard to imagine anyone posting a WSO and not making at least one sale, which would pay for your WSO. Anything after that is pure gravy (profit, in case you don't get it).
    Hell, I'd gladly fork over the $20 to research an idea and find out it's NOT going to work (i.e. not sell ANY) than to work on an idea for months only to have it flop!
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      I've been wondering about this for some time. If another member makes a post inside a WSO thread (such as asking a question, or providing feedback) does that bump the WSO back to the top - or does it have no affect whatsoever?
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

        If another member makes a post inside a WSO thread (such as asking a question, or providing feedback) does that bump the WSO back to the top - or does it have no affect whatsoever?
        No, it doesn't. No effect...
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  • Profile picture of the author gacott
    So, I always try to look at the positive side of things.

    The fact that a person such as this (let's be honest, just plain stupid) is able to make ANY money in Internet Marketing, it just goes to show that if you really put your mind to it (no matter how small that mind may be), it IS possible to make it in IM!

    I am inspired!! :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Hey niche boy -

    I agree with Mike in this instance, you are a little new to the forum, and haven't been here long enough to squak about the way things are done on the WF.

    Now, if everyone didn't write and sell reports and ebooks, and telling there lists o come and post WSOs in this forum, we probably wouldn't have so many posting!

    And most certainly, these people that teach others to post WSOs in this mannera have no right to gripe about it - or shouldn't.

    The WSO forum is what people make it to be, nothing more and nothing less. If you want sales post, if not, don't post. That's up to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

      Hey niche boy -

      I agree with Mike in this instance, you are a little new to the forum, and haven't been here long enough to squak about the way things are done on the WF.
      I doubt he's "new", but most likely banned multiple times ...

      Just breakin' in another McUser account ...
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Looks like Sean is probably the real one:

      Tools
      I'm not so sure Mike.
      Did you notice his paypal address?
      That name rings a bell.
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        I'm not so sure Mike.
        Did you notice his paypal address?
        That name rings a bell.
        Yes, it does, and so does that attitude. I know it from someplace.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post


          Tell your "clients" running "WSO campaigns" to produce better products or contribute to the forum more so people look for their offers.
          Or come up with a product that's a few hundred bucks - so if you get just one sale per bump you are doing really good.
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          • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
            Honestly you should be happy you have an advertising method that's profitable.

            Even better you've defined the parameters where that method is profitable.

            You should use any advertising method that's profitable...especially in the sale of digital products where there's no significant post cost to a sale.

            Also remember that some WSOs turn out to be wildly, home run out of the park profitable.

            So you have a way to make a nice profit and a chance of making a huge profit and a way to get some feedback and testimonials.

            WSOs are great value.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              but free speech so there
              banned, so there

              ...and the crowd goes wild...
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              • Profile picture of the author Gary King
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                banned, so there

                ...and the crowd goes wild...

                ROAR! (loud clapping followed by jeers directed to the OP)
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    I think he wishes there is a WSO on how to get bump up for free. OR: He'll be glad to ask Admin to give him a discount or Super Special Price.... But, since he is (they are) 3 men... I don't think this is going to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
    To be honest even though i only have one WSO at the moment and have two classifieds ad's, the value i find is both the branding you create for yourself (requires a good product and support) but then more importantly even if i only make one sale in a bump of my wso that one new subscriber to my list is worth alot more than the $20 bump fee!

    If i could afford to pay out $20 over and over again to get someone in my list then i would do that over and over again as i feel building a list and having that resource is what makes the wso section really valuable!

    That single subscriber could bring me in a few thousand a year alone by me just giving them what they want and that's exactly what i try and do... over and over again with every single subscriber and buyer.

    Anyhow i would agree that for other's the wso section and posting a wso just diggs a hole in their pocket but for me so far it's definatly earnt me more than ive spent on it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    My only WSO (so far) is buried 20 some pages deep. I just got an order from it yesterday. I've actually sold more products from it after it was buried than when it was on the first couple of pages. It's not like the front page is the only place that generated orders.

    Here's the big secret: Put your WSO in your signature file and post helpful comments and people will click your links to learn more about what you do. From what I've seen, if you post helpful comments you can get sales from your WSO indefinitely as long as the offer is still relevant.
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    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      My only WSO (so far) is buried 20 some pages deep. I just got an order from it yesterday. I've actually sold more products from it after it was buried than when it was on the first couple of pages. It's not like the front page is the only place that generated orders.

      Here's the big secret: Put your WSO in your signature file and post helpful comments and people will click your links to learn more about what you do. From what I've seen, if you post helpful comments you can get sales from your WSO indefinitely as long as the offer is still relevant.
      Damn, Dennis!

      Did you have to clue him in?

      He's so "dumb as a doorknob" he'd prolly never figgered it out.

      Live JoyFully!

      Judy Kettenhofen

      PS -- oh wait, "post helpful comments" -- nevermind.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by zapseo View Post

        Damn, Dennis!

        Did you have to clue him in?

        He's so "dumb as a doorknob" he'd prolly never figgered it out.

        Live JoyFully!

        Judy Kettenhofen

        PS -- oh wait, "post helpful comments" -- nevermind.
        Judy, I was more trying to help the inexperienced "real" warriors. You can't help them without tipping off everyone, so it goes with the territory. I get what you're saying though. The consolation is that I doubt if the OP was looking for advice, he just wanted to register his complaint.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    I bump a thread in the WSO section if the initial run made me more than what covered my ad costs. If I know I'm going to make more than that $20 back, then I'm fine.

    Also, I look at what the long term result of my WSO campaign is. For example, I just ran a big PLR sale where everything on my Mini Mart was $10 (even $116 packs). I had a TON of Warriors buy it. I bumped it 3-4 times within the 48 hours it ran.

    I made $4,000 for $10 products.

    That was well worth my $60-80 investment AND here's the kicker...

    Many of the buyers hadn't been a customer of the PLR Mini Mart before but now that they got to see the quality of my work, they've emailed me saying they're happy they finally found a good resource, they signed up for my list, etc. Repeat buyers for my $20 ad runs.

    I likey.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I find that having a special WSO Notification list helps you. Soon as you launch your WSO you simply blast your special "VIP WSO List" and then the initial $20.00 cost can be recouped.

    I am averaging $1500-$2000 per WSO - all as a result of having a special VIP List.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I find that having a special WSO Notification list helps you. Soon as you launch your WSO you simply blast your special "VIP WSO List" and then the initial $20.00 cost can be recouped.

      I am averaging $1500-$2000 per WSO - all as a result of having a special VIP List.
      Plus Imran you do more than just leave the product once it stops selling as a WSO so get back even more money if you had made a loss then you still make a big profit (if that makes sense).

      Stumbled across you doing your 'extra strategy' the other day and was impressed!

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Someone who has so few posts and is not a War Room member offering "clients" advice. What a scam .... offering advice for something that you don't even qualify to do yourself. Sounds to me like you've been banned before and just coming back as another jerk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    The guy has multiple accounts. In my mind using them in the WSO forum should get him an instant ban.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    nicheboy = Sean Wells = graham41

    or

    nicheboy + Sean Wells + graham41 = SCAMMER

    Here's what I mean: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-discount.html

    This WSO has been posted by Sean Wells and niche boy and graham41 are the two buyers that tell everyone how great the product it. Then, lgibbon (moderator) comes along and finds out that all posts made on these 3 usernames are from the same IP address. Then Jermey Kelsall comes along and realizes that the email address on Sean Wells's paypal account is named after graham.

    After watching all of this I post my comment on the thread telling the scammer how good of a job he did and how he nearly got me to buy his product and then I come to the main discussion section and BAM I see a post made by nicheboy where he's whining like a little bitch about how expensive WSOs are.

    Here's my say on this. Just Shut Up and realize that you have to provide to value to people and give them a reason to buy from you. Just by putting up a crappy WSO and posting about how good it is from multiple accounts won't make you anything. Learn to provide value and help other if you want to make money
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by mohammad111 View Post

      nicheboy = Sean Wells = graham41

      or

      nicheboy + Sean Wells + graham41 = SCAMMER

      Here's what I mean: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-discount.html

      This WSO has been posted by Sean Wells and niche boy and graham41 are the two buyers that tell everyone how great the product it. Then, lgibbon (moderator) comes along and finds out that all posts made on these 3 usernames are from the same IP address. Then Jermey Kelsall comes along and realizes that the email address on Sean Wells's paypal account is named after graham.

      After watching all of this I post my comment on the thread telling the scammer how good of a job he did and how he nearly got me to buy his product and then I come to the main discussion section and BAM I see a post made by nicheboy where he's whining like a little bitch about how expensive WSOs are.

      Here's my say on this. Just Shut Up and realize that you have to provide to value to people and give them a reason to buy from you. Just by putting up a crappy WSO and posting about how good it is from multiple accounts won't make you anything. Learn to provide value and help other if you want to make money

      Yeah ... I saw this when I looked at his other "contributions" to the WF. What are "these guys (nicheboy + Sean Wells + graham41 = SCAMMER)" still doing here?
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulaC
      Originally Posted by mohammad111 View Post

      nicheboy = Sean Wells = graham41

      or

      nicheboy + Sean Wells + graham41 = SCAMMER

      Here's what I mean: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-discount.html

      This WSO has been posted by Sean Wells and niche boy and graham41 are the two buyers that tell everyone how great the product it. Then, lgibbon (moderator) comes along and finds out that all posts made on these 3 usernames are from the same IP address. Then Jermey Kelsall comes along and realizes that the email address on Sean Wells's paypal account is named after graham.

      After watching all of this I post my comment on the thread telling the scammer how good of a job he did and how he nearly got me to buy his product and then I come to the main discussion section and BAM I see a post made by nicheboy where he's whining like a little bitch about how expensive WSOs are.

      Here's my say on this. Just Shut Up and realize that you have to provide to value to people and give them a reason to buy from you. Just by putting up a crappy WSO and posting about how good it is from multiple accounts won't make you anything. Learn to provide value and help other if you want to make money
      Shouldn't the moderators be removing his offer? I for one generally read all of the posts before buying a WSO but others may not.
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  • Profile picture of the author GSX Enterprises
    I've found WSO's to be of great success, but I have to agree, they are and should be auxiliary income to your primary channel. They're a great way to add bonuses and build lists as well. While it can be expensive, consider the profit over a larger scale 5 bumps and 1 sale at first, then as time goes on, 10 bumps and 15 sales.

    Like anything it's an investment and mosti investments take time to mature. I'd still argue the WSO forum has some of the best ROI out there though.

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  • Profile picture of the author DamianLeon
    It takes labor and work, as well as vision and thought leadership to organize something like the Warrior Forum, and also creates extra value of a community- so I believe it's a worthy cause to support, the value you receive far exceeding the very small outlay if any - )
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Nice to see someone got busted !!! LOL ....

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Nice to see someone got busted !!! LOL ....

      James
      Busted and banned! Sometimes folks just talk too much for their own good.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Busted and banned! Sometimes folks just talk too much for their own good.
        Yeah ... I can't prove it, but I very much doubt that the WSO in question is even HIS OWN product. I ran it through Copyscape Premium and another plagiarism tool and there are too many sales pages with some of the text being identical to each other. My guess is this is a PLR/Master Resale Rights product he is selling as HIS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Hahahaha...I needed a good laugh this afternoon and found it here.

    Now we know why he's call Niche "boy"...........lol
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Hahahaha...I needed a good laugh this afternoon and found it here.

      Now we know why he's call Niche "boy"...........lol
      LMBO! Rod,

      I've been calling him "BOY" since I ran across his WSO.

      The worse part about stuff like this is they really believe they are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.


      Btw the little rat hasn't been back to post recently. Did he get banned or is he simply chicken sh*t?
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        • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
          Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

          Yeah looks like they are banned, but for how long?

          It's always very exciting here at the WF
          Lol Dave, I agree with you.

          There are days I simply go to my kitchen get the popcorn going and a drink, and pull up a chair to watch.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Nathan Segal View Post

    I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe that will happen eventually. Then again, perhaps the WSO (and this thread) are being left up to let other members know what happened, but I really don't know.
    Now I do have proof ... he either plagiarized someone else's sales page or he is selling a copy of Niche Factors (which does offer resell rights).

    Check out the sales page here highlighted by Copyscape Premium, (which is still working on a backup system).

    http://domainingdiva.com/nichefactors.jpg
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Yeah ... I can't prove it, but I very much doubt that the WSO in question is even HIS OWN product. I ran it through Copyscape Premium and another plagiarism tool and there are too many sales pages with some of the text being identical to each other. My guess is this is a PLR/Master Resale Rights product he is selling as HIS.
    You could be right, and I wouldn't be surprised.

    Edit: Now that you have proof, you can report it so the thread gets removed.

    Originally Posted by PaulaC View Post

    Shouldn't the moderators be removing his offer? I for one generally read all of the posts before buying a WSO but others may not.
    I think that could be in the works. A moderator has posted in the WSO that three people are posting from the same IP and asking for an explanation. I think the WSO is effectively dead to anyone who scans the posts.
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    Using it to set an example to others possibly?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      And that's after one of his persona's claimed to have sold 8 copies in 5 seconds so even if you end up on page 3 in 8 hours that's about $76K in sales at that rate. Not bad ROI for $20.

      8 warriors have already seen what a steal this is and bought the product within the first 5 seconds. So its going really fast. Thanks and be sure to post your feed back please.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Hearder
    Hi all, I've come onto this thread a bit late,
    but I agree with some of what Tim Pears is saying.

    This is an idea off the top of my head :.. [warning could be dangerous ]

    To qualify to post a WSO, You not only need to pay your $20 but also need to have recieved a certain amount of "thanks" for post else where on the forum, say something low like 10.

    That way you know the person that is posting knows something of value and is prepared to put into the forum and not just take..

    What do you think?

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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
      Originally Posted by Bruce Hearder View Post

      Hi all, I've come onto this thread a bit late,
      but I agree with some of what Tim Pears is saying.

      This is an idea off the top of my head :.. [warning could be dangerous ]

      To qualify to post a WSO, You not only need to pay your $20 but also need to have recieved a certain amount of "thanks" for post else where on the forum, say something low like 10.

      That way you know the person that is posting knows something of value and is prepared to put into the forum and not just take..

      What do you think?

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      Your heart's in the right place but you know what'll happen - they'll simply create other IDs and thank themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author admin
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    How come people forget that the minimum post count was one of the reasons for the change in the first place. It was a nightmare and our job was far harder than it is now.

    Hundreds were signing up and posting all sorts of nonsense for that post count.

    It doesn't matter what you change, something will be wrong with it. There is no perfect way and never will be. All we can do is choose what we think is the best way and continue to fight. There is nothing else that can be done short of just stopping it all.

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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    Damm... even the sales letter (and probably the product) is "stolen"... FAIL of epic proportions...
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    • Profile picture of the author Hasan Barbary
      @admin ~ In this case, it appears that the system worked pretty efficiently. The OP was suspected, reported, investigated & banned in short order. (His own big mouth was also helpful.)

      Do we know if any Warriors actually purchased his WSO? If not, then I'd say this forum's self-protecting mechanisms are doing ok.

      Perhaps you could rename this thread and make it a sticky:

      "Wanna Run a WSO? How to Get Banned in 7 Posts!"

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      • Profile picture of the author marketguy
        Originally Posted by Hasan Barbary View Post

        @admin ~ In this case, it appears that the system worked pretty efficiently. The OP was suspected, reported, investigated & banned in short order. (His own big mouth was also helpful.)

        Do we know if any Warriors actually purchased his WSO? If not, then I'd say this forum's self-protecting mechanisms are doing ok.

        Perhaps you could rename this thread and make it a sticky:

        "Wanna Run a WSO? How to Get Banned in 7 Posts!"

        /agreed
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    This is shocking. Each time they bump up less people buy until by the 4th or 5th bump they are literally wasting their $20.
    Then why bump?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      I've got no sock puppets, but my hamsters do a great job of shilling for my WSOs:

      Warrior Nibbles: "Me loving this Kevin Riley WSO. Me thinking I make lots and lots of sunflower seeds with this!"

      Warrior Fluffball: "I'm so excited by this WSO I spent all afternoon running in my wheel!"

      Warrior Spots: "I like the pictures."

      Warrior Keebles: "Wow! I'll be able to buy one of those plexiglass mazes with what I make from this WSO!"

      I thought I'd best come clean. The Japan IPs would give me away sooner or later.
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      • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
        The salespage and the content of the WSO must be approved by admin before running it.

        Admin must check whether ebook or videos are original and workable in current environment of IM.

        This will reduce WSO scams and bring more sales to WSO owners.

        This is just a request.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            There are only two things that do matter that will ensure a wildly successful WSO every time you run it. If you haven't figured out what those two things are, you're probably not ready to run a WSO in the first place
            C'mon! How are most new Warriors to ever know that the secret factors of WSO success are:

            1. Have a picture of yourself in a pink Easter bunny outfit on the post.

            2. Give away Barry Manilow records as a bonus.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              2. Give away Barry Manilow records as a bonus.
              Won't do anything for me! I've already got them all!
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              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Won't do anything for me! I've already got them all!
                Oh really? Have you got the rare Yearning For Miss Piggy album, where Barry croons love songs to the porcine sex symbol and the only recording of "I Can't Smile Without My Porkchop"?
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                  Oh really? Have you got the rare Yearning For Miss Piggy album
                  I'm Jewish. That album isn't kosher.
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          • Profile picture of the author drmani
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            - if you want to complain, go look in the mirror.
            :lol:

            I did.

            Now, I no longer want to complain.

            Worked for Sir Richard Branson, too, I hear!

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          • Profile picture of the author sylviad
            Originally Posted by mary_k View Post

            wow, i don't think nicheboy got any of the answers he was expecting. lol. by the way ...do u care 2 share what those 2 things are?
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            Sorry, but no - and I'm not saying no to be a jerk about it. But quite honestly, it's right out there in the open for anyone to figure out. When you have, you'll know you're ready...meanwhile, it would be pointless to give you a shortcut you're not ready for

            Ooooo, I was never any good at these types of quizzes!
            And I betcha I know the answer.

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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Then why bump?
      This.

      If you've bumped your WSO 5 times, and it's still not lighting people's fires to the point it's generating a decent return you've highlighted your problem in a nutshell.

      Your WSO copy sucks or your topic has no interest to people.

      Stop flogging a dead horse.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Hetherington
    Thought I'd add my view to the mix.

    I've also noticed how rapidly a wso can vanish off page 1 - but that's only the start of the story.
    Yes you can pay for a bump and bump and bump - wasn't there a limit on 3 bumps at one time or did I imagine that?
    I've found that...
    As well as sales, a wso can get you fantastic comments and reviews to then use elsewhere - these are invaluable.

    A wso mentioned in a sig file can live on forever. If you're active in the forum that is...

    A wso can get you noticed and lead to jvs

    All that for $20?

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  • Profile picture of the author mary_k
    wow, i don't think nicheboy got any of the answers he was expecting. lol. by the way ...do u care 2 share what those 2 things are?
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    WSOs and AdWords should not be compared, right? WSOs is about giving back to the warriors who have helped you. AdWords is about earning money by selling your product. I guess there is a huge huge difference between the two.
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    • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
      Yeah... and if you REALLY wanted to "give back"... you could offer the product in the War Room for free.

      Originally Posted by Deepak Media View Post

      WSOs and AdWords should not be compared, right? WSOs is about giving back to the warriors who have helped you. AdWords is about earning money by selling your product. I guess there is a huge huge difference between the two.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukiyenster
    hehe, i'm new here and this is one helluva interesting post... banned in 7 posts, multiple accounts, EPIC FAIL WSO.

    Nicheboy, you silly boy. Whoever said you must to bump your WSO to make sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    The price of a WSO - $20

    The price of running a WSO that isn't your product to start with and shilling that WSO with two other accounts that you own, and then bitching about the cost of WSOs in the main discussion forum - priceless
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Two words: EPIC FAIL.

    I hope the one legitimate buyer of that "WSO" can get his money back.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Stuff like this ticks me off as it makes us ALL look bad. If you're not willing to do the work to truly create something, then #*($$ off and go work for someone. and when you get fired for passing off a colleague's work as your own, you have no one to blame but you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Wow - this thread is a classic!!!!

    An OP who has 'clients' 'running WSO campaigns' who is using multiple accounts and posting his own offers is complaining that they're moving too quick? You can't make this stuff up.

    This sort of crap is the exact reason WHY the WSO section moves so quick.

    Putting up the price won't make any difference - making it $20 was the previous answer to this trend starting and look where we ended up.

    Getting the mods to 'review' the products - that's never going to work for many reasons, not least is - who wants to read a bunch of crap regurgitated products that have never seen the light of day anywhere and have been created purely to 'run a campaign' in the wso section.

    I think we just have to accept that the current wso section is what it is and people just have to make their mind up how to use it for themselves.

    The best possible thing anyone can do to ensure a successful wso is - offer value in the forum first.

    Many people seem to join here and are salivating at the wso forum like it's an opportunity to shoot fish in a barrel and make easy money from gullible new members - forgetting the fact that this is a community and trying to 'optimise' your wso using copywriting and marketing techniques will be MUCH less effective than just providing value and building relationships in the forum, so that when people see your name on the wso - they want to open it and even look for wsos from you.

    People seem to forget that this forum is different - it's chock full of real people who are genuinely successful and or on their way to being successful.

    You don't need to spoon feed them crap and hyped up headlines and fake testimonials in order for them to respond.

    Offer true value and something that genuinely helps people and combine that with providing value in the main forum and you can't go wrong.

    If you treat this forum and the wso section without respect - you get disappointing results, it's as simple as that.

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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    HOO-YAH Andy! That post should be stickied and required reading in the WSO sub-forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Having anybody else APPROVE the content, or whatever of a WSO is a patently bad idea.

    What happens if it gets "approved" and the buyer doesn't like it?

    Who do you think will really get the blame, the seller or the approver? I 100% guarantee that if the seller doesn't respond then the WF will get the blame for approving it.

    Also, it would only work for honest sellers (most of us here), but...

    Dishonest sellers will ALWAYS find ways around anything you try to put in their way.

    Think about.

    Ima Scammer submits their WSO product for approval. It looks great and it gets approved. No problem, right? Wrong. It only takes a few clicks of the mouse to CHANGE what gets delivered. That change would only need to be done AFTER the "approval" is made.

    And that's only one way of many that dishonest sellers could find around an "approval" process.

    To be blunt, it's an incredibly awful idea that would only lead to MORE problems than it would be pretending to solve.

    The same can be said of increasing the price of listing WSOs. The only thing that will do is make more of an incentive for scammers to get more money to cover their higher cost. That's all.

    See, these supposed "improvements" would only work on honest people and do jack squat to stop the scammers.

    The WSO may not be perfect, after all, it has PEOPLE buying and selling - therefore it can NEVER be perfect. The sooner people realize that truth, the sooner they can make the most of what is there.

    I think the WSO section is pretty darn good, and it's a privilege to have it here. Keep whinging about it, and it may just disappear.

    How's that for blunt?

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Having anybody else APPROVE the content, or whatever of a WSO is a patently bad idea.

      What happens if it gets "approved" and the buyer doesn't like it?

      Who do you think will really get the blame, the seller or the approver? I 100% guarantee that if the seller doesn't respond then the WF will get the blame for approving it.

      Also, it would only work for honest sellers (most of us here), but...

      Dishonest sellers will ALWAYS find ways around anything you try to put in their way.

      Think about.

      Ima Scammer submits their WSO product for approval. It looks great and it gets approved. No problem, right? Wrong. It only takes a few clicks of the mouse to CHANGE what gets delivered. That change would only need to be done AFTER the "approval" is made.

      And that's only one way of many that dishonest sellers could find around an "approval" process.

      To be blunt, it's an incredibly awful idea that would only lead to MORE problems than it would be pretending to solve.

      The same can be said of increasing the price of listing WSOs. The only thing that will do is make more of an incentive for scammers to get more money to cover their higher cost. That's all.

      See, these supposed "improvements" would only work on honest people and do jack squat to stop the scammers.

      The WSO may not be perfect, after all, it has PEOPLE buying and selling - therefore it can NEVER be perfect. The sooner people realize that truth, the sooner they can make the most of what is there.

      I think the WSO section is pretty darn good, and it's a privilege to have it here. Keep whinging about it, and it may just disappear.

      How's that for blunt?

      All the best,
      Michael

      Another sane and rational person heard from.

      Michael...you are so much a breath of fresh air around here.

      Sorry, but it needed to be said with some of the BS that has been going
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  • Profile picture of the author paytonlowe
    This is what happens with all profitiable systems of advertising. Eventually competition makes it impossiable to make money unless your budget is huge...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I have to admit, yes, WSOs have become a little more "difficult" due to the massive volume pouring in on the forum and extreme short "page #1" times - but that being said they still can make a lot of money.

    Honestly, i don't have an idea how to solve the "problem" except that in some way "high quality" WSOs could be separated from offers by people with very few posts and rep. I am not necessarily a fan of the fact that people with 5 posts or so post WSOs
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      • Profile picture of the author Global365
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        This is the core problem - who's to decide what is or isn't high quality? Everyone assumes that the WSO Forum needs to be fixed...usually in a way that benefits that person the most over everyone else.

        The real issue is caused by the members - they buy something crappy, don't make a negative comment, but often stating they bought it, and everyone jumps on it. It's an easily resolved issue if members would simply give honest, objective feedback.

        As long as members buy anything offered and don't provide realistic feedback, it's always going to attract people who want to churn out crappy products and make a quick buck.

        As soon as members begin demanding better quality in WSO threads you can bet people will slow down posting offers.


        Hey Big Mike...

        I think you hit the nail on the head....you see 6 page posts, over 500 sold and NOBODY posts on making money...people need to SHUT THE H#$$ up until they have read the wso and implemented it..you opinion is Worthless unless you applied the idea and ARE MAKING MONEY. You want to see Potential go over to Flippa and see how many idiots are trying to sell new sites based on Potential.

        And don't be afraid to post a negative testimonial...don't worry, u aint gonna burst into flames....I PM people all the time that are thinking about buying and tell them if it is crap or not. If It's CRAP tell people it is CRAP and people will start to stop selling CRAP!

        It's up to us as member to keep the barnacles of the hull....kick them little beotches to the curb so we can improve the quality of products and make this the forum the place it deserves to be..

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    LOL... I guess I should fire up WSOGold.com

    I bumped one of my WSO's here the other day and it was on page 2 with in 6.5 hours.
    Still received 7 sales and it was a low price WSO but it more than paid for it's bump.

    Have a Great Day!

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Running a WSO is a privilege, not some god-given right.

    The OP used the term "clients" to describe the friends he was helping run WSOs. I don't understand what that means. If he is getting a commission on sales, then he's promoting as an affiliate and that's against the rules.

    If he's getting a flat fee for creating WSOs and running them for friends, that to is a violation in my eyes. If you run a WSO it is supposed to be a product you developed.

    If he is simply giving them advice and not charging a fee for the advice, the "friends" are not really clients at all.

    Maybe it's me, but if I wanted help from someone with running a WSO I probably wouldn't go to someone who has never run one themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author ic7
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.
    Then you need to advise them about PRESENTATION. If I launch a WSO and it doesn't do well, I don't blame the forum and I don't blame the customers.

    I take a hard look at how I presented my product and I re-adjust.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I spent $140 bumping and purchasing it over an 8 day period....
    I don't like that AT ALL!

    I know that the rule is you can re-bump once it reaches page #2, but bumping a WSO 7 times in 8 days is another thing which contributes to lower quality. I myself never bumped a WSO that often.

    I wish there would be a time limit that such things simply cant happen.

    As we see it only takes HOURS to actually get to page #2 - and people are STILL able to excessively bump - and this is exactly what we DO NOT want! If you are an excessive bumper (once per day for sure is in my opinion!) - you are working against any other person who puts up WSOs and you are simply "forcing" everyone else to do the same.

    PRIME example where the problem is <---


    It's like trying to extinguish fire with gasoline. Now see the number of people who make WSOs each day and add the number of people who re-bump old WSOs each day (or probably even more often). NOT OK! In my opinion you should be allowed to bump like twice/week but no more. Allen would for sure not need to go in the poor house because of this, and it would benefit the WSO section for sure.

    At $20 a bump each time, my clients have to be bumping up their threads somtimes every 8 hours.
    Yep, here we go...
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Now see the number of people who make WSOs each day and add the number of people who re-bump old WSOs each day (or probably even more often).
      Let me look at my WSOs.

      PLR Mindstorm: Page 8.

      .357 Article Method: Page 13.

      SEO Forever: Page 42.

      Honestly? Bump your WSO all you want. I don't care. When I bump my WSOs, it makes me fewer sales than active posting in the forum with links in my sig. Putting $20 in Allen's pocket is, oddly enough, less effective than actively contributing to the community.

      And maybe it's just me, but I think Allen would probably rather have the contribution to the community anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by emaildeliverypro View Post

      Why no everyone of you who have used WSO in past share your numbers here to prove if WSO really works or not? What was your response about your best WSO?
      I think there are plenty of such threads already where people say which WSOs helped them a lot.

      As for the OP post, its sickening to see such self-proclaimed "professionals" which conduct some weird "WSO services" for clients with excessive bumping in hourly intervals - and then even complain about what THEY caused in the first place because its not working in their favor.
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      • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
        The problem with all the testimonials in the WSO section is that most of them are solicitated. I have hardly any reputation on this forum, expect a few people that may have met me in person, however I still get messages offering me a free product in return for a testimonial. I can see how tempting that would be for a new marketer on this forum. I however refuse all such offers unless I know the member personally in some form, and simply remind them that this is akin to SPAM.

        The problem lies in the fact that it is hard to distinguish whether those testimonials are encouraged or genuine appreciation. So I tend to look at the quality of the testimonial writers, and unfortunately I have to firstly judge them by their post count and number of times thanks before delving into their past posts.

        I do not blame these less known WSO creators for gaining testimonials this way as everyone has to start somewhere, however I choose a different way, which allows me to built a network of people who will genuinely offer me constructive critism and only give me a testimonial if my product is up the standard they expect of me.

        The truth is that a WSO relies a lot on how much respect you have in a forum. People have to trust you and like what you have to say. If they respect and have followed your posts, they will start to recognise you. Once they recognise you and trust you, you will get GENUINE testimonials for your product.

        And I've learn that genuine constructive critism has helped me a lot more in my career then the many people who tell me my stuff is brilliant just to try and please me. (If it's genuinely brilliant that fine

        So, I guess the big problem for me, is that 'New' WSO creators often do not take the time to build a network or to establish themselves. Maybe that's why we see the multipe WF account holders as they try to bypass this step.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

          The problem with all the testimonials in the WSO section is that most of them are solicitated. .
          I would say the even bigger problem is that people give WSO's a "review" predominantly based on reasons like:

          They like the sound of it.
          It seems like a cool idea.
          It's not something they have seen before , which translates into reviews like... "It's not the same old stuff".

          (Actually it generally is, it's just YOU haven't seen it before)

          And just because people haven't utilised a certain site before or technique doesn't mean it works, infact there's probably quite a good reason it wasn't previously used.

          The reviews are almost never based on the fact they actually implemented the WSO and turned a profit.

          This is the big disconnect and often causes more purchases of a WSO that doesn't deserve it.

          Differentiating between something that sounds cool or you may not have seen before and something that actually turns a profit , that's the the main issue I see with many reviews, I'm sure I've been guilty of it in some form or other.

          Most of the reviews of WSO's are powered by people who have never even implemented the information at this point, often who have never even dabbled in that specific area of IM and so have no idea as to it's efficacy.

          It's the blind leading the blind.

          The amount of times I've entered a WSO and actually asked a 11 page WSO thread for anybody who's turned a profit only to see tumbleweed.

          Yet the thread is full of "wow this is an awesome idea" reviews.

          Sadly "awesome ideas" don't by just the nature of their awesomeness actually mean they generate a ROI.

          WSO reviews are by and large unless validated by somebody with more than 3 posts who's actually implemented the technique about a much use as a rubber 9 iron.
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          • Profile picture of the author francoza
            For the WSO to run, one should have a strong reputation here on WF.
            Members here dont trust newbies much and think their product is a big waste.
            therefore, you must gain reputation and then come up with a WSO.
            Otherwise, you will loose money as your customers are.

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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            The reviews are almost never based on the fact they actually implemented the WSO and turned a profit.
            Here's something for you to consider.

            I bought a WSO about CPA offers. I don't want to do CPA. So I used some advice about getting accepted to CPA networks in that WSO to land a web design client instead.

            Then I used advice in another WSO to build a site that could be easily flipped, even though I wasn't flipping the site.

            And when I turned over this hybrid site to the client, he was ecstatically happy with it.

            Now, both of these WSOs made me money, but I didn't get it through CPA or web flipping. Don't both of them deserve good reviews, even though the actual methods in the WSOs didn't make me a dime?
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                Sure - as long as you ONLY give a good review on the part you learned to get accepted to a CPA network.
                So for that WSO, I'd say something like "The information on getting accepted to CPA networks is great, and applicable to a lot more than just CPA networks as well."

                And for the other one, I'd say "This isn't just good for designing websites to flip, but for designing websites in general."

                And then Simon would come in and say "OKAY, WHO MADE MONEY WITH THIS WSO?!" and I wouldn't be able to say anything. I didn't make money with either of them. I made money with the combination, and I didn't use the method from either of them.

                But aren't my reviews of both WSOs completely accurate?

                I just find it unfair to say that a WSO isn't worth buying if the method isn't directly used to make money by everyone who buys it, and that anyone who isn't doing that shouldn't leave a good review.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  So for that WSO, I'd say something like "The information on getting accepted to CPA networks is great, and applicable to a lot more than just CPA networks as well."

                  And for the other one, I'd say "This isn't just good for designing websites to flip, but for designing websites in general."

                  And then Simon would come in and say "OKAY, WHO MADE MONEY WITH THIS WSO?!" and I wouldn't be able to say anything. I didn't make money with either of them. I made money with the combination, and I didn't use the method from either of them.

                  But aren't my reviews of both WSOs completely accurate?

                  I just find it unfair to say that a WSO isn't worth buying if the method isn't directly used to make money by everyone who buys it, and that anyone who isn't doing that shouldn't leave a good review.

                  Oh come on ... it's not rocket science. The WSO is selling a specific technique or product and making claims about that technique or product. If the technique or product DOES NOT do what it claims, when it is tried and used, it does not live up to it's claims.

                  Let's say I buy a pair of ugly shoes, but they came in a box that said pretty shoes inside. So I take out my trusty bedazzler and bedazzle the bejesus out of them and now they are pretty shoes. All you can really say is that the box said pretty shoes and you got butt ugly shoes and because you went to the time and expense of bedazzling them, they are now gorgeous shoes.
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                  • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Let's say I buy a pair of ugly shoes, but they came in a box that said pretty shoes inside. So I take out my trusty bedazzler and bedazzle the bejesus out of them and now they are pretty shoes. All you can really say is that the box said pretty shoes and you got butt ugly shoes and because you went to the time and expense of bedazzling them, they are now gorgeous shoes.
                    This gives me an idea for a great WSO:

                    "Tired of WSOs that don't deliver? You need the WSO BEDAZZLER! That's right, with the WSO BEDAZZLER any tired, worn WSO can become a showpiece!"
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter View Post

                      This gives me an idea for a great WSO:

                      "Tired of WSOs that don't deliver? You need the WSO BEDAZZLER! That's right, with the WSO BEDAZZLER any tired, worn WSO can become a showpiece!"
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


                        Actually, I kind of like the "Before" shoes best

                        But then, this old Marine would look silly in the "After" shoes. Besides, the ability to walk in high heels (let alone dance...backwards!) is as miraculous to me as walking on water.
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                    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
                      Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter View Post

                      This gives me an idea for a great WSO:

                      "Tired of WSOs that don't deliver? You need the WSO BEDAZZLER! That's right, with the WSO BEDAZZLER any tired, worn WSO can become a showpiece!"

                      IMO,

                      it shouldnt even be possible that low quality WSOs make it to the forum. There are other places for such stuff which i wont mention

                      When i think "WSO" i always think "unique, high quality stuff made by people who really know their stuff". That's why i prefer the warrior forum over "similar places".

                      It simply shouldnt be possible that someone with very few posts can post or create a WSO or that people basically abuse the WSO forum in whatever way. Eg. excessive bumping a few times a day.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

                        IMO,

                        it shouldnt even be possible that low quality WSOs make it to the forum. There are other places for such stuff which i wont mention

                        When i think "WSO" i always think "unique, high quality stuff made by people who really know their stuff". That's why i prefer the warrior forum over "similar places".

                        It simply shouldnt be possible that someone with very few posts can post or create a WSO or that people basically abuse the WSO forum in whatever way. Eg. excessive bumping a few times a day.
                        As someone asked earlier: Who gets to decide what high quality is? You? Me? Who? How is it objectively measured?

                        So, someone with a lot of posts automatically creates high quality WSOs and someone with few posts is incapable of creating high quality?

                        How is following the rules of bumping abusive?

                        Once a WSO reaches page 3 it can be bumped. Period.

                        If it is bumped SOONER, the person can lose their account. Period.

                        Again, how is that even remotely abusive?

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                • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  So for that WSO, I'd say something like "The information on getting accepted to CPA networks is great, and applicable to a lot more than just CPA networks as well."
                  Let's say I make a WSO about media buying and it's full of flaws, and doesn't as a technique hold water at all.

                  In the media buying course I explain how somebody can use SKYPE and set up a voicemail if they don't want to have call backs made to their home, this bit of the WSO is however solid.

                  Now you come into the WSO and add your 2 pence to it about how useful the SKYPE information was.

                  You gave a good review of a snippet of information in the WSO.

                  But combined with other comments it could easily lead folks to purchase something that actually in reality doesn't work.

                  Is that a good thing?

                  I don't think so myself.

                  I think it's the skim and praise attitude to WSO reviews, that actually drives mediocrity and false hope for people investing way to much time in what is frankly low grade material or indeed ancient material given a fresh coat of paint.

                  There's nothing stopping you adding your 2 pence that the "SKYPE bit was great" but does it realy help people make a sensible buying decision as it relates to the WSO overall content/program?

                  Nah, not really, i think it fogs the WSO up with commentary that has little relevence to the purpose of the WSO and only serves to confuse and possibly misdrect newbies in their purchasing decision.
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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              Don't both of them deserve good reviews, even though the actual methods in the WSOs didn't make me a dime?
              Depends on what you mean by a good review.

              There's nothing stopping you passing comment that you were able to extract an element from the WSO's content and put it to good use in an entirely different application, I don't think overall it's helpful but you can.

              If however you review the WSO as being excellent within the context of what its' teaching and yet you have no idea whether it's actually any good in the real world, it's back to the point I was making.

              Blind leading the blind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.
    Jesus Christ! You joined last month, your post count is just 7-most of which came from your replies in this particular thread.
    What did you tell them to make them trust you with good advise for running a WSO?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Originally Posted by nicheboy View Post

    I am helping 3 people with WSO campaigns.

    What is truly alarming is the speed with which most tthreads get bumped down to page 3 out of site and mind of WSO traffic.

    At $20 a bump each time, my clients have to be bumping up their threads somtimes every 8 hours. This is shocking. Each time they bump up less people buy until by the 4th or 5th bump they are literally wasting their $20.

    What this means is that less traffic actually view their offer before it gets relegated to the back pages.

    We have worked out that this is roughly equivalent to PPC 25p/click!! for your average offer unless you are offering automated backlinking or SEO.

    Now it appears that google adwords will have advantages over this model as you can pause your adwords campaign and change whenever you want and you don't get pushed from where the eyeballs can see you unless you are quite foolish.

    With WSO's you have no choice as you see your thread sink out of sight.

    The deep pockets in this forum are again able to dominate as they are able to continually renew their threads.

    Nicheboy
    I agree. Lots of marketers depend on WSO so much, they bump their threads every 5 hours and reply to every post. If they were such good marketers would they be doing that? If the **** in their ebooks worked would they be desperately bumping posts every 5 hours? hmmmmmmmmm
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by robcortez1787 View Post

      Can WSO contribute in SEO?
      Yes.

      Certain WSO's if properly written and not on a subject that's been hounded to death can rank well in G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Baselstm
    I think people are making money when they bump up so it still works out to be cost effective
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