Are your Clickbank sales down over the last few days?

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Ok, after VERY consistent sales for months, my CB income has halved since the 4th of March...

I'm trying to isolate the issue... Nothing has changed on my servers so I wonder if you've seen the same?

I'm not saying it's a CB issue, but I want to try to isolate what it is... So, how are your CB sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author aaallday2010
    This is a very timely post for me.

    My sales for the most part have been consistent, but I have noticed something fishy lately.

    In order for someone to access my download page, I have them opt in first and then send them to the download page.

    However, I've noticed recently that while I might have say 10 sales one day, I'll actually have 12 different people opt in. Don't know why this is so.

    It's been happening a lot lately and I'm starting to think that Clickbank is scrubbing sales.

    I've never contacted them on this issue, but I think I will.

    Don't know if this relates to you in any way though. How's your traffic been lately? Has it gone down? If not, what is the quality of that traffic?

    That's the only thing I can think of.

    - Justin
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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      Quality and quantity of traffic are... well, vast.

      Very well established.

      I'm going to have to analyze if I've lost a whale of an affiliate or something, but when sales HALF like this from being so consistently high for months/years, I usually look for it being a technical issue first.

      CB.... Server not being up.... etc etc...

      Usually these things seem to resolve themselves but the new lower level of sales is very consistent now for the past few days... Looks like more than a blip.

      Anybody noticed the same then with their CB stats?

      Re: CB doing something fishy... although I wouldn't totally rule that out, I doubt it VERY much... Additional optins could be anything... Same guy optin in again with a different address maybe? Hackers? Your optin page being distributed? Other stuff?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rebecca108
      I'm kind of an advanced beginner, as I only make about $500 to $1000 per month selling my own ebook. But at any rate, one week I made 15 sales and then the next week 2. It was really odd b/c normally my sales are so consistent. So I started doing a search and came across a blog where a IM swears that CB was scrubbing his sales, that he had friends and family members order under his ID and that he never got credited. He said he has video of the whole thing and is working with government officials...Who knows? I do wonder though....
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      • Profile picture of the author aaallday2010
        Originally Posted by Rebecca108 View Post

        I'm kind of an advanced beginner, as I only make about $500 to $1000 per month selling my own ebook. But at any rate, one week I made 15 sales and then the next week 2. It was really odd b/c normally my sales are so consistent. So I started doing a search and came across a blog where a IM swears that CB was scrubbing his sales, that he had friends and family members order under his ID and that he never got credited. He said he has video of the whole thing and is working with government officials...Who knows? I do wonder though....
        Interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      Cindy, something tells me you're either

      A, a bot,

      B, somebody trying to increase their post count... badly...

      or C, somebody who's been hired to post on forums, probably of non-English speaking origin.

      Bet I'm right.
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      • Profile picture of the author aaallday2010
        Originally Posted by Platinum Matt View Post

        Cindy, something tells me you're either

        A, a bot,

        B, somebody trying to increase their post count... badly...

        or C, somebody who's been hired to post on forums, probably of non-English speaking origin.

        Bet I'm right.

        Shes trying to increase her post count. Shes been answering quite a few threads with 3 word responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    I noticed that CB has been testing different payment buttons over the last few days, my sales dropped as well so I started poking around and that's what I've found as a possibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
    Different payment buttons?
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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      If you literally mean the pay now buttons on the order page, there's no way these could have halved conversions.

      My gut feeling is that things will get better when a new pay period starts.

      Or maybe I'm being hopeful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
        Originally Posted by Platinum Matt View Post

        If you literally mean the pay now buttons on the order page, there's no way these could have halved conversions.
        When ClickBank experiment with such a change they monitor
        the new version for an hour or two then revert if necessary.

        Harvey

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  • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
    Harvey, you usually have your finger on the CB pulse... Anything up?

    I'm putting some volume through CB so if it was a blip, it'd show itself as one by now I'd have thought. Just trying to isolate what could be causing the problem so I can address it.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      My sales have also dropped down to nothing since the 4th....not a whole lot to do other than to keep on plugging along and wait for things to kick back into gear...and stop looking at my stats. It usually just frustrates me and I lose my ambition...sucks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Out of interest go and run an order through.

    In the last week or so I have had a LOT of people come to our helpdesk saying they get a payment error in the cart.

    Dammed if I can replicate though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blondmoo
    I have noticed the same thing, very disheartening when you're trying to INcrease your progress in the New Year.....I originally thought it might have something to do with the time of year maybe.....credit card bills come due in February or something like that?

    But strangely, I am glad to hear it is not just me...
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyway25
    i have not being earning so i cannt say of any problem from clickbank.Iam new to the internet,recently i attened a 5 days seminar on how to make money from the net.but they got me more confused becos they all want to sell one digital product or the other.pls can someone tell me how to start to promote products as an affiliate without a website of his own.iam read to learn pls.from nigeria.i have not being earning so i cannt say of any problem from clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    My sales are the same as usual.

    My advise is to contact clickbank and ask them.
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    My sales were way off from last year until this week. problem is the economy sucks and unemployment is high so people do not throw cash around much anymore. With all those factor its hard to gauge whats going on!

    as a side note i was converting 1 in 25 and it went to 1 in 212 as of last week. I did change some things up and that seemed to bring the sales up!
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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      Hmmm, so others are seeing the same...

      I'd contact my contact at Clickbank but she recently left and has been replaced by somebody that so far has left me a little less enthusiastic... She'll get there I'm sure but I think she's learning the ropes still.

      If it is just CB, then it will fix itself... Just want to make sure it's not something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    I'm not sure if it's the case or not, but this forced added tax on all these purchases recently ticked me off. I buy products all the time, but I hate paying tax on the same note too, out of the last 10 offers I have been presented with at Clickbank, I decided not to bother, I mean, how can you tax something that is not tangible, if it was a real hold in your hand product, i'd understand, but digital stuff. sheesh...

    oh hum, i guess someone has to pay the national debt that bush left behind, and who better to target and force tax on purchases, than clickbank, after all, they've already knocked like 1.4billions out of the park in payouts.

    Originally Posted by Platinum Matt View Post

    Ok, after VERY consistent sales for months, my CB income has halved since the 4th of March...

    I'm trying to isolate the issue... Nothing has changed on my servers so I wonder if you've seen the same?

    I'm not saying it's a CB issue, but I want to try to isolate what it is... So, how are your CB sales?
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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      From around the end of February to about a few days ago, I experienced a serious sales drought (5 days with no sales). I contacted Clickbank and of course, they sent the infamous "check your hoplink" e-mail. I couldn't pinpoint exactly what the problem was, but things seem to be back to normal... for now.

      The inconsistency with Clickbank sales is just a constant reminder to me to work hard at diversifying my income as much as possible (adsense, CPA, own product, etc.)! With that said, I have finally created my first squeeze page and I'm now going to start building e-mail lists for my future marketing endeavors.

      Anyway, I hope you get things sorted out and get those sales rolling again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      oh hum, i guess someone has to pay the national debt that bush left behind, and who better to target and force tax on purchases, than clickbank, after all, they've already knocked like 1.4billions out of the park in payouts.
      Loz,

      If you're talking about the fact that Clickbank charges VAT (since, according to your profile, you're in the UK), then it isn't going to sort out Mr. Bush's debt but, rather, that of one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair (and his pal James Gordon Brown.)

      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      When you start seeing things like FTC stepping in, and IRS stepping in forcing taxes on sales that wasn't even taxed on for years, you still think it has nothing to do with the recovery of the national debt?
      Dunno about US sales taxes (which, I think, only applies to New York on Clickbank), but, AFAIK, VAT on sales of digital stuff to consumers in the European Union by non-EU businesses was introduced by the E.U. after lobbying by European business groups who claimed they faced unfair competition from non-EU firms (since they were obliged to charge VAT, and non-EU firms weren't). And I'm sure individual EU member States, the recipients of the VAT, didn't object either.
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    Now clickbank problems/taxes are Bush's fault, dumbest thing i read all week??

    Seriously though CB has always been suspect to tracking issues. It always seems to go away when you ask them if your account is OK though?
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by captivereef View Post

      Now clickbank problems/taxes are Bush's fault, dumbest thing i read all week??
      Thanks for the insult!!!!!

      So you're telling me that Bush was not responsible for adding many more trillions to the national debt?

      When you start seeing things like FTC stepping in, and IRS stepping in forcing taxes on sales that wasn't even taxed on for years, you still think it has nothing to do with the recovery of the national debt?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr.Wright
        Originally Posted by askloz View Post

        Thanks for the insult!!!!!

        So you're telling me that Bush was not responsible for adding many more trillions to the national debt?

        When you start seeing things like FTC stepping in, and IRS stepping in forcing taxes on sales that wasn't even taxed on for years, you still think it has nothing to do with the recovery of the national debt?
        What a dumb post.

        First you bring politics into the discussion which is a ridiculous comparison.

        Second, the VAT tax is only for European customers imposed by the EU.

        Americans (under Bush or Obama) do NOT pay any VAT or tax on online purchases. I guess EU should first have its house in order before they start blaming Bush or US debt?

        Also, as a caveat, the FTC is an independent governing body, the president of the US is too busy to bother about new FTC regulations.

        To the OP - these sorts of threads emerge every 3 weeks, so I wouldn't worry too much about it, keep tagging along. If you see something suspicious, just let ClickBank know and they will be happy to assist you.

        -JW
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        • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
          With more than a dozen infoproducts on CB, 2Checkout and my own merchant accounts and coaching dozens of others, sales are often cyclical - the norm is bursty sales, a few days of 10-15 sales on one title, then a few days of no sales, then another few days of 10-15 sales/day. This happens with CB or not in my experience.

          That said - I have found the last week extremely good for sales - the most ever on one of my titles over the last 4-days.

          Jeff
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          • Profile picture of the author Brutus
            Im not sure of the reason. Sometimes CB could mess up in tracking, I know that Joe Lavery talks a lot about this and hence him creating affiliate 180 (great course). I know its kinda blackhat, but if you cookie stuff your sales pages it may help, but test it out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
              Sales were back up yesterday!
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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by Platinum Matt View Post

                Sales were back up yesterday!
                Same .

                Has anybody actually checked the credit card processing error issue I mentioned?

                There's actually a guy in the CPA forums who ran $1,500 PPC to a best selling CB product and got zero sales.

                He also went and tried a purchase only to get the same card processing error.

                Might pay you guys concerned about lack of sales or blaming it on SHAVING (which CB are not doing) to test this out.
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                • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
                  Put me on the list of the crazy nutjobs who think CB doesn't actually pay its affiliates (or its Vendors!) for every sale made.

                  Sorry, but I don't think they do, and days when you see Zero sales for four days, when you have been making 8 sales per day for the past two months... yeah.

                  I've tested purchasing under my own affiliate link under a different IP and unrelated credit card, and was Not credited. I used to sell the SaleHoo membership by including a disc of a video of me using SaleHoo and a link to sign up through my affiliate link (which was a nice little domain name) and I had people CALL me and ask about what I think of "product x" that they found while searching SaleHoo... something you can't do unless you pay for SaleHoo. I looked up my ClickBank sales, and I was never paid by ClickBank for them joining. This isn't too bad just once or twice, but I had probably 30 people who used SaleHoo whom I didn't get paid for.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                    Originally Posted by FaJeeb View Post


                    I've tested purchasing under my own affiliate link under a different IP and unrelated credit card, and was Not credited. .
                    That is a huge accusation.

                    What did Clickbank say >?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
                      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                      That is a huge accusation.

                      What did Clickbank say >?
                      At first, I played dumb and said "My Friend purchased the digital item from my affiliate link, and I noticed I didn't make any money from it"

                      Their response was an automated message about Clickbank Refunds and Chargebacks.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Rebecca108
                      That IM guy I read his stuff on his blog who said CB was shaving his sales -- there was a response on there from CB that basically said, "CB does not steal sales" or something to that effect, that was it. What this guy said was that every time he opened a new CB and drove traffic, he sales would do really well for about 2 weeks and then they would slump, and stay slumped. So he would open a brand new CB account and it would happen again. Tons of sales, then none or barely any. It sounded like he did it several times. Then he started testing and tracking, etc and found he definitely was not being credited with sales. He said now he drives the same traffic to a different offer and makes like $2000 a day or something. That's just what I read.
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                      • Profile picture of the author bretski
                        I know that CB uses two types of tracking...both cookie and IP. It could be that something is a little bit screwy with the tracking of one of those systems. I know that last weekend I had affiliate links time out on me while I was doing some testing. The issue did resolve itself after a couple of hours.

                        I have also noticed that order form submits with no sales resulting are up since the 4th.

                        One thing for sure is that it will all even out in the end and the issue will resolve itself eventually. I know that my earnings per hop have gone from about .60 per hop to about .15.

                        Try not to sweat it and keep on chugging along. I know that I'm going to try not to look at my account this weekend and instead try to concentrate on getting things done (formerly known as "working") No sense in b1tching about it or focusing on it. I only wind up hurting myself and expending way too much energy worrying about stats.

                        Just my two cents
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                • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  Same .
                  Has anybody actually checked the credit card processing error issue I mentioned?
                  There's actually a guy in the CPA forums who ran $1,500 PPC to a best selling CB product and got zero sales.
                  He also went and tried a purchase only to get the same card processing error.
                  Might pay you guys concerned about lack of sales or blaming it on SHAVING (which CB are not doing) to test this out.
                  Sounds like he hit a dud run because that is not the norm, from here all sales seem no more or no less than normal. If anything Sales have jumped up but that is because i have increased my spend and the increase in sales matches the spend increase.
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                  • Profile picture of the author paradox
                    Glad I found this thread. My sales have been almost zero from CB over the past two weeks, Before that I had consistent sales of a couple per week. Nothing has changed with my sites or the amount of traffic sent. The hop count is the same but no sales
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  • Profile picture of the author mikefort
    Clickbank has always been a disaster area for me and one that I have never cracked. I can never understand why I can get good results and traffic using other methods of tracking but then I look at my Clickbank stats and nothing...
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    No insult meant dude, Just saying wrong place wrong time for politics!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    yes, sales down this month, but i don't think this is the best season for sales, other factors palying a role too. Eg. some of my writers got problems with ezine articles because of minor things, stupid things like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tooschee
    I recently( 2 weeks now ) joined clickbank as a vendor, and haven't got any sales yet, I don't know if joining clickbank was a good idea right now, but I hope, that sooner or later I'll have some great affiliates and conversions, especially that I put quite a lot work in my product
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  • Profile picture of the author webstrategistpk
    I have been a clickbank affiliate since 2003. My income has significantly dropped during the last two weeks and I am generating zero sales. I was greatly surprised and wondering what the problem was. Now after reading this thread I am sure there is something fishy. Clickbank is definitely shaving sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    The more I read about CB, the more I am considering going exclusively with Paydotcom or Shareasale or something else. I am in the process of creating a product, and I really don't think I want to mess with CB anymore. With all of the problems people are having, it is obvious something is not right with CB. I think I am going to steer clear!
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  • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
    I have also seen a rapid slump since 4th march, thought it was a bit strange but now I see others have experinced similar, seems a little fishy and more than coincidence.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdesk
    Absolutely! They have bottomed out! I tested one offer all the way through the Order page and it says Affiliate=none at the bottom. Checking ClickBank stats showed that it never recorded the Order Page Impression. I tested it multiple times... the hops were recognized, but the Order Page Impressions remained -zero-

    But now, with no changes to anything, testing is fine, they're tracking again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Matthews
    Hey Matt. I didn't think too much of it, but I had 2 back to back zero conversion days with regular adwords spend, for the first time since last Sep. Maybe there is something weird happening. I thought it was likely adwords dilution, but who knows?
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Matthews
      Also, i noticed that Google only spent half my budget both days. It was last Sat & Sun, Mar 6&7, and it was really kinda scary. This product normally does between $100 & $225/day on the weekend. Things seem to be OK this week though. Are yours back to normal?
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        I just sent a message to customer service asking them to check it out. I'll post any response I get back or if I see any change. All I know is that there are a few posts on this forum all saying the same thing so I thought I would take some initiative.

        I know...you're all saying that I'll get back the same old thing telling me to check the format of my hoplinks and to test my links through to the check out page for my affiliate id at the bottom....but let's see. Let's give CB the benefit of the doubt just one more time...

        Here's what I sent:

        Some other affiliates and I have noticed a major slump in sales and also some discrepancies in hop and order form impressions lately. Could you check on this for us?

        For instance, I started testing my hoplinks just to make sure that everything was working ok and when I reach the order page I do see my affiliate id at the bottom of the page. Of course, in the analytics I have seen that for one product the order page impression didn't show up and for another the order page impression showed up but the hop didn't. It just seems very strange and it is making other affiliates wonder what is going on.

        Any help would be appreciated

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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          OK...now I'm not even seeing any hops and the analytics page seems to be stuck at 5:27 PM yesterday...yet the status message is all green and cheery!!!! "No problem here! Everything is fine! Move along folks! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" FNA!!!! You can't tell me that there isn't a problem here folks....and I don't want to hear that the two systems are separate and that order processing is unaffected when there are posts on here from vendors that show sales with affilate commissions taken out for sales marked with no affliate on them! Does CB realize that people like me depend on their stuff to work "spot on" every day so they can pay their bills, buy food and keep a roof over their head?!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    My Clickbank sales were all over the place for a long time so I eventually moved on to other products, including creating my own - best thing I ever did.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      My Clickbank sales were all over the place for a long time so I eventually moved on to other products, including creating my own - best thing I ever did.
      Sounds like a plan...who do you use for your payment processor? I assume ABC (Anybody But Clickbank?)

      Just amazing....

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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Since about the 7th is when things took a slide. I had a huge spike in traffic on the 10 and sales are way way off. None of their stats correlate with the same old traffic and search terms coming into multiple sites. So yes there is a problem on their end.

      Their response will likely be a typical CB response ... nothing wrong on our end!
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    • Profile picture of the author cgtarga1
      I had the same 'issue' ironically last March. For ~5weeks ~50%. Up until that point sales were within 20% month to month. I tore my hair out, bugged CB, and never did find the cause. I have more suspicions than evidence though.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by cgtarga1 View Post

        I had the same 'issue' ironically last March. For ~5weeks ~50%. Up until that point sales were within 20% month to month. I tore my hair out, bugged CB, and never did find the cause. I have more suspicions than evidence though.
        Yep! That's basically what I've been doing... Trying to figure out what I did differently. Could it be because Google seems to have dropped my site for some keywords? Could it be the moon? The time of month? The time of year? Could it be because I changed my article writing style a bit? Who knows?

        Here is what I got from CB the other day in response to my query. Keep in mind that analytics are frozen again so I can't even flip out looking at that...

        Hello,
        Thank you for your inquiry! Please keep in mind that the Analytics page is not automatically updated. Analytics is usually updated every two hours with any new hop or sale data that occurred since the last update. When hop traffic is especially heavy, the Analytics updates can take some time to catch up to real-time reporting. Depending on the amount of information received the Analytics page can be updated as few times as once per 24 hour period, though this is a rare occurrence.
        Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
        Best regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    I noticed something fishy with CB as well lately.I used to make much more than i'm making right now.The weird thing is that it's about the same amount of traffic so i don't know what's happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    Clickbank is rock solid. My sales have gone through the roof this week...mostly affiliates of mine pulling in a lot of sales. They've actually been terrific lately...a Clickbank rep contacted me to enroll me in a new program they have for elite members, and I got access to some very cool new features. I can vouch for them...I highly doubt anything fishy is going on with them.
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    • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
      Over 300 products to promote? Please. Clickbank has thousands. And, I don't want to use Paypal. I want money sent straight to my bank account. I think Clickbank is going to be the top dog in this niche for a while to come, and deservedly so, with all of the new features they are rolling out -- and some great personal service for the people who they deem to be important vendors.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

        with all of the new features they are rolling out -- and some great personal service for the people who they deem to be important vendors.
        And it seems that every time they make a change to implement these wonderful features things seem to get hosed up.

        That's awesome that they take such good care of you important vendors while affiliates get a generic response to our queries. Sorry...stuff is hosed. Say what you will. The analytics page says:
        Normal Operation
        Data Last Updated 2010-03-13 8:59PM PST
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        14 hour lag?...and everything is "normal"?
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        • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
          What kind of queries are you referring to? What exactly have you found to be "hosed?" I have never had a problem with Clickbank. My headaches have always been with Paypal!
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          • Profile picture of the author bretski
            Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

            What kind of queries are you referring to? What exactly have you found to be "hosed?" I have never had a problem with Clickbank. My headaches have always been with Paypal!
            Mostly analytics being broken like it seems to be right now. Preceeded by lots of order form submits with no sales and some order form submits with no hops...just weird stuff like that that wind up being more the norm than the exception which makes me wonder WTF is going on. I'm sorry dude...I'm an affiliate for some of your products as well and money is tight for me. Things were awesome for Feb and I thought that I was back on track, now March has been just suckin' it and I'm freaking out. I told myself on Friday that I wasn't going to freak out and keep on stressing over this but for me there's a lot on the line. I mean a LOT!
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              Originally Posted by bretski View Post

              Mostly analytics being broken like it seems to be right now. Preceeded by lots of order form submits with no sales and some order form submits with no hops...just weird stuff like that that wind up being more the norm than the exception which makes me wonder WTF is going on. I'm sorry dude...I'm an affiliate for some of your products as well and money is tight for me. Things were awesome for Feb and I thought that I was back on track, now March has been just suckin' it and I'm freaking out. I told myself on Friday that I wasn't going to freak out and keep on stressing over this but for me there's a lot on the line. I mean a LOT!
              Yes I did notice some very odd order form submits before the 7th that resulted in no sales. I have seen the occasional one once in a while but that many in one day was way out of the ball park. It is almost like HAL has taken over the CB server.
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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    Hmmm. I'm not a shill for Clickbank (just a happy vendor), so maybe there's a temporary problem on their end, I have no idea. But they provide a heck of a service. I'd definitely think twice before turning your back on Clickbank and trying one of these funky payment processors that aren't proven.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

      Hmmm. I'm not a shill for Clickbank (just a happy vendor), so maybe there's a temporary problem on their end, I have no idea. But they provide a heck of a service. I'd definitely think twice before turning your back on Clickbank and trying one of these funky payment processors that aren't proven.
      I know dude. I've been here before and things have always evened out. I have actually seen period like this end with a big day or couple of days so I don't know if things get buggered up and then they go back and manually run through everything to make sure that the commissions are all right...like a batch job or something. We have a very similar program at work and I know that our code guy is fixing things on a daily basis so I know that it's not as easy as everyone thinks it is. Being in Information Technology I know that everything is "supposed" to just work and computers are supposed to do the same thing every time but, you know what? They don't.

      I know you're not a shill. No worries. I just need to get my head out of that warm place and get back to work here instead of running around like Henny Penny.
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  • Profile picture of the author freedomforall
    This is an interesting thread. I toyed with using Clickbank for a while, but just don't know enough about it yet. I keep watching and maybe I can learn something about it here.

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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    Paypal would certainly not fall under the category of a "funky" payment processor. I was referring to the many different, newer processors that people are using these days.

    You are waiting for 4 weeks for Clickbank to send you a check? Why? Use the Direct Deposit option. Paypal does not offer that. With Clickbank, every Monday my profits go directly into my personal bank account, automatically.

    More importantly, I have found that when I have a dispute, Clickbank will take my phone call and I will speak to an intelligent person and get it resolved. Good luck with Paypal. If some random idiot customer files a complaint against you, for absolutely no good reason, Paypal might freeze your account. You won't receive an explanation, and go ahead and try to resolve it with a customer service rep. It's a huge hassle.






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      • Profile picture of the author aaallday2010
        WOW!

        Might be time to give RAP some serious thought.

        Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

        I do have direct deposit on all my accounts with clickbank. It goes like this - we'll say that a sale is made for 50 dollars.

        Sale is made on Monday for 50 dollars. Pay period ends on that Wednesday. $50 then goes into "payment status" and is paid out 2 Wednesdays from that pay period, direct deposit.

        Sure, you get "paid" once every week. But from point of sale, it's 2 weeks (depending on when the day of sale lands) before you see that money.

        With paypal, I see the money from that sale in my bank account in 3 days. So

        Sale is made Monday for 50 dollars. I direct paypal to deposit into bank. Wednesday I have $50.

        And, yes, I have to directly deal with some customers. But I've actually made MORE money using paypal with Rapid Action Profits because of less fee's, no holding period, and instant payouts means I don't fiddle with clickbank's stuff.

        If I do a product launch, and that launch makes me 10k, I see ~9700 (and some odd change) directly in my account in 3 days.

        If I did that with clickbank, I would see ~8235 in my account in 2 weeks (or 4 if my account is new) and the remaining ~915 from my holding 6 weeks from then.

        9700-8235= $1465 less

        Now, lets talk about refunds.

        With clickbank, you MUST give refunds. So, lets say that I get a 5% refund rate. This equals another 500 lost.

        But with Rapid Action Profits, I control the refunds. If someone does try to refund, they MUST contact me. I save quite a few refunds that way, because I can offer additional service/products/support.

        This = a LOT lower refund rate.

        Inside the IM niche, everyone uses their affiliate code when they buy, giving themselves a discount. Can't do that with RAP. I make all my money and I don't get jacked up gravity stats that fake a LOT of vendors, making them look like huge sellers.

        And if you do proper IP tracking, or offer physical products (dirt cheap with kunaki and automatic with the kunaki rap add on), almost every "complaint" I get from customers equals a WIN for me.

        Also, if I want to secure my downloads with clickbank, I have to purchase extra software. Rapid action profits automatically secures my downloads.

        Next, if I want to add customers automatically to my customer list with clickbank, I need funky coding. Rapid action profits automatically add's customers to my customers list.

        Also, if I want to mail my affiliates, I have to manually scrape and find all my affiliates with clickbank. With rap, they are all put on one list when they make a sale so I can easily email them.

        Finally, since the RAP community is growing, and with the creation of rapbank, 100% commissions and instant payments, WAY lower fee's, and complete marketing control, clickbank is going to have to step it up, get rid of these tracking problems, and roll out more features to AFFILIATES if they want to stay viable.

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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    Good points. I must say, I'd rather have control over the refunds that I issue. However, I think that a significant percentage of my sales happen due to the fact that Clickbank mandates a 60 Day refund policy...and, they process the refunds. I would not want to deal with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Jonsson
    I have been looking at possibly using RAP for some upcoming products.

    Can't really afford to take the plunge, but I want to investigate so that when I am in a position, I can make the investment.

    The way I understand it is that RAP offers 100% upfront commissions to affiliates.

    Is this the ONLY way the script is set to work?

    Could you still offer a lower commission rate so that you (the product creator) makes some up front cash as well?

    *IF SO* does the customer have to send TWO separate paypal transactions? One to the affiliate and one to the creator? Or how is this handled?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi Tyler,
      Originally Posted by Tyler Jonsson View Post

      I have been looking at possibly using RAP for some upcoming products.

      Can't really afford to take the plunge, but I want to investigate so that when I am in a position, I can make the investment.
      If you're that close... then you probably can afford the installment (3 equal payments) purchase option.

      The way I understand it is that RAP offers 100% upfront commissions to affiliates.

      Is this the ONLY way the script is set to work?

      Could you still offer a lower commission rate so that you (the product creator) makes some up front cash as well?
      You can set the commission rate at any value you want (even 0%). You can also set up a special class of affiliates (i.e. JV partners) with a totally different commission rate.

      And then there are Equity Partners...

      *IF SO* does the customer have to send TWO separate paypal transactions? One to the affiliate and one to the creator? Or how is this handled?
      There is only one paypal transaction per sale. Rather than the affiliate receiving x% of each sale, they receive 100% of the total price, for x% of the sales that they refer. To help reduce affiliate fraud, an affiliate does not get paid until their 2nd referred sale.

      Hope this helps,
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      • Profile picture of the author Tyler Jonsson
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Hi Tyler,

        If you're that close... then you probably can afford the installment (3 equal payments) purchase option.


        You can set the commission rate at any value you want (even 0%). You can also set up a special class of affiliates (i.e. JV partners) with a totally different commission rate.

        And then there are Equity Partners...


        There is only one paypal transaction per sale. Rather than the affiliate receiving x% of each sale, they receive 100% of the total price, for x% of the sales that they refer. To help reduce affiliate fraud, an affiliate does not get paid until their 2nd referred sale.

        Hope this helps,

        Sid, thanks so much for personally replying!

        We shall see how my first WSO performs, that may dictate whether I have $67 (or even $6.70!) to spend this month ;-)


        I think I understand how the system works now. So if you set the commission rate at 60%, how does the script determine which 6 out of the first 10 sales go to the creator and which go to the affiliate? This is still a bit confusing to me (without seeing the script settings).
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Hey Tyler,
          Originally Posted by Tyler Jonsson View Post

          So if you set the commission rate at 60%, how does the script determine which 6 out of the first 10 sales go to the creator and which go to the affiliate? This is still a bit confusing to me (without seeing the script settings).
          Commissions are re-calculated every time a customer clicks the order button.

          The Merchant gets the first sale. Affiliate gets his second referral (now he's at 50%). That's less than the 60% rate you set, so the Affiliate gets the third sale.

          The affiliate's 4th referral clicks on the order button, and the system determines that the affiliate has now received payment for 2 out of 3 referred sales (66 2/3%), so it's the merchant's turn again.

          This goes on forever. If there is a refund, it will immediately affect the commissions paid, so the refunder (it might be the merchant or the affiliate), is always paid on the very next sale so that payments are adjusted as soon as possible, to get the commission rate back to norm.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tyler Jonsson
            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            Hey Tyler,

            Commissions are re-calculated every time a customer clicks the order button.

            The Merchant gets the first sale. Affiliate gets his second referral (now he's at 50%). That's less than the 60% rate you set, so the Affiliate gets the third sale.

            The affiliate's 4th referral clicks on the order button, and the system determines that the affiliate has now received payment for 2 out of 3 referred sales (66 2/3%), so it's the merchant's turn again.

            This goes on forever. If there is a refund, it will immediately affect the commissions paid, so the refunder (it might be the merchant or the affiliate), is always paid on the very next sale so that payments are adjusted as soon as possible, to get the commission rate back to norm.

            Ahhh, I see! That is a very robust solution. Kudos my friend!

            My very next question was regarding refunds, so thanks for addressing that.

            I still don't fully understand how the whole refund thing would work. I mean what if the affiliate got a commission to his paypal, requested the money to be transferred to his bank account, then got refunded 2 days later... The money from the sale would no longer be available to paypal to send the refunder...

            Perhaps I am overthinking here, or perhaps I am just too inexperienced in these types of affiliate programs to realize the "proper procedures" for how to handle such things.

            Nonetheless, I am extremely impressed by RAP, and will be looking to make a purchase as soon as possible (Any chance you can give me a $1 a month for the next 197 months? That I may be able to swing! Lol!!!)

            Thanks again Sid for your personal help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Hey Tyler,
    I still don't fully understand how the whole refund thing would work. I mean what if the affiliate got a commission to his paypal, requested the money to be transferred to his bank account, then got refunded 2 days later... The money from the sale would no longer be available to paypal to send the refunder...
    Just as the affiliate has the ability to transfer funds to his bank account, Paypal has the ability to pull money from that bank account, and will retrieve the funds without your intervention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Another aspect of using RAP that was partially hit on here, but not fully....

    Is that profits from both vendors and affiliates using RAP will be much higher because RAP has a true dynamic oto feature integrated into the sales process.

    Clickbank is a complete blunder to integrate a true dynamic oto process that works to boost your profits and its not dynamic or only offered to certain products that are selling on CB.

    In fact those that try to setup an oto with Clickbank typically offer what I call the "Fake oto" which is an offer just before the customer checks out and makes payment.

    This can have a major negative impact on your sales because the customer can always come back and purchase the fake "oto" product later so whats so "one time" about that?

    Its fake, and severs the physcology that is inherent in all humans with the fear of loss factor that RAP can provide. No fake about it. They can either buy your oto or pass and would have to re-purchase your front end product to see your oto offer again.

    This can have a major positive impact on getting you or your affiliates additional sales and profits.

    I've been running RAP since 2007 and its not uncommon to get 25-50% take your oto and I've had as high as 65%. of course this is dependant on your price points,offer, and how related your oto is to your front end.

    The cool thing about this?

    You can pass on any commission level you want to your affiliates.

    So if you want to give your affiliates 100% instant commissions on the front end and 50% on the oto so be it.

    Or maybe you want to give them 50% on front end and 50% on the oto?. kool do it.

    With these type of commisisons you will get affiliates drooling to promote your products building your buyers list for you so you can can continue to sell to your customers more stuff down the road increasing the life-time value of your customer.

    Whats also cool about this is that your affiliates can get compinsated when you also send future offers out to your list.

    Making your affiliates happy again.

    I've used RAP to build a list of over 5,000 BUYERS which are quadruple or more responsive than a free optin lead.

    Try to get ALL your buyers from Clickbank onto an e-mailable list and you will have a major headache for yourself.

    With RAP, a click of button and your message is off to your list no messing around.

    There are also other ways to increase your sales and profits using RAP which I will not disclose here but you can get the idea of what RAP can do for your business and Sid has a large active community supporting RAP.

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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    My sales are as steady as they were in 2007

    No problems here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Jonsson
    Frank, thanks for those insights. I did not realize the OTO's were such a pain in the rear with Clickbank!

    You guys have (once again) convinced me! RAP is definitely #1 on my "need to get" list. We will see how things shake out!

    Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Platinum Matt
      lol can't believe this thread is still alive...

      A few comments.

      1. You shouldn't hijack the thread to promote RAP, whether you have a financial incentive or not, start another thread.

      2. I'm not saying don't use Clickbank... I've been a vendor and affiliate of Clickbank since 2001ish... Yes, I am old school and yes, I am a CB premier client (top 0.1% of clickbank's clients).

      3. Clickbank KICKS ass... They are THE single biggest reason I have become an Internet millionaire. Without them, I wouldn't have made it. When it works, Cb is THE BEST... bar none. I LOVE Clickbank. Totally awesome. But, when things go wrong, I want to know about them - and sharing feedback on here lets us all know if things aren't right.

      Sales have fluctuated since I started this thread. Dunno if anything is up or not... But I hope they do even themselves out.

      For people reading this thread wondering if Clickbank is for them... it ABSOLUTELY is... there's NOTHING better online for this kind of stuff. Over time, everything does even itself out and CB has been consistently the best for years and will continue to be...

      Take the plunge!
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
        Dude if you would have used RAP when it came out in 2007 you would have made double or triple your profits.

        I can only say about your response is that either your inexperienced marketer or your just stuck on CB since it was spoon fed to you since birth.

        BTW I too use CB as a vendor starting back in 99-2000 when they were still mom and pop from their home cuz there was very few ways to except money online.

        Had to spread the love between a few places that were available and got ripped by one company for around 15k who went belly up.

        Oh, those were the days.....

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        Originally Posted by Platinum Matt View Post

        lol can't believe this thread is still alive...

        A few comments.

        1. You shouldn't hijack the thread to promote RAP, whether you have a financial incentive or not, start another thread.

        2. I'm not saying don't use Clickbank... I've been a vendor and affiliate of Clickbank since 2001ish... Yes, I am old school and yes, I am a CB premier client (top 0.1% of clickbank's clients).

        3. Clickbank KICKS ass... They are THE single biggest reason I have become an Internet millionaire. Without them, I wouldn't have made it. When it works, Cb is THE BEST... bar none. I LOVE Clickbank. Totally awesome. But, when things go wrong, I want to know about them - and sharing feedback on here lets us all know if things aren't right.

        Sales have fluctuated since I started this thread. Dunno if anything is up or not... But I hope they do even themselves out.

        For people reading this thread wondering if Clickbank is for them... it ABSOLUTELY is... there's NOTHING better online for this kind of stuff. Over time, everything does even itself out and CB has been consistently the best for years and will continue to be...

        Take the plunge!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Rob, thanks for sharing all the extra info about RAP and RAPBank. I had found RAPBank recently but you just prompted me to actually get in there and sign up. I'm very optimistic about the potential for results from this site.

    Apologies for adding to the hijacking, but can anyone answer this question for me please?

    With RAP, can I set up a squeeze page with free giveaway on the front end, have it go through to an OTO and still track commissions if affiliates send people to the squeeze page?

    If that is possible, what would be even more awesome is if it can do squeeze page freebie > OTO > standard offer and have commissions paid on both the OTO and the standard offer.

    Is that doable?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi Kezz,

      I guess nobody wants to endure being accused of hijacking anything, but I've been accused of far worse, so what the...

      Questions require answers.
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      With RAP, can I set up a squeeze page with free giveaway on the front end, have it go through to an OTO and still track commissions if affiliates send people to the squeeze page?
      Yes, absolutely.

      If that is possible, what would be even more awesome is if it can do squeeze page freebie > OTO > standard offer and have commissions paid on both the OTO and the standard offer.

      Is that doable?
      A more qualified "yes" on this one, simply because there is really more than one additional step introduced here, depending on how this is interpreted. The basic RAP sales process is 2 steps. A front-end offer followed by a back-end offer. You can traverse from one 2-step process to another, but it's important to make sure you still get the customer to a download for each sale (and the reason that the basic flow is limited to the 2 steps). Besides, once you have a qualified list of buyers, it's easy to make additional offers, via mailings.

      That said, RAP users have been very creative in tieing offers together, but I wouldn't want to give you an unqualified "yes" without a better understanding of your goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    My sales are up again, but february was still a very bad month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Tops, thanks for the info Sid.

    I might shoot you a PM if that's all good, just to avoid taking this thread too far off track.
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  • Profile picture of the author Baselstm
    I heard that there are a cpa networks that shave your commssion and i think cb are honest from many peoples comments so best to double check with CB and go through all your stats and sales and iron it out.

    Hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I've just noticed after no sales this week (and very low hops) that it says in the status "data incomplete since March 11".

    Could this have something to do with it - or is a common problem?

    Not seen that message before?
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