Premium Wordpress Themes - Why?

by tbunch
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I am just curious, and seek opinions, as to why so many want to use premium themes for their blogs when there are so many free themes available. I want to start a blog installation and maintenance service and consider this an odd thing. I have done hundreds of blogs and never even considered a premium theme.

I mean there are thousands of free and customizable themes available so why be willing to pay upward of $50 for a theme. Do these themes:
Suck in traffic?
Make for better conversions?
Give the owner and ego boost?

I know I have read somewhere that ugly (plain) sites sell. Though with the wide selection of free themes available ugly (plain) is only an option - isn't it?

What is the attraction? Please clue me in.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Originally Posted by tbunch View Post

    What is the attraction? Please clue me in.
    I used to feel the same way, but have found that some of the so-called "premium" themes are just easier to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aljiro
    Originally Posted by tbunch View Post

    I am just curious, and seek opinions, as to why so many want to use premium themes for their blogs when there are so many free themes available. I want to start a blog installation and maintenance service and consider this an odd thing. I have done hundreds of blogs and never even considered a premium theme.

    I mean there are thousands of free and customizable themes available so why be willing to pay upward of $50 for a theme. Do these themes:
    Suck in traffic?
    Make for better conversions?
    Give the owner and ego boost?

    I know I have read somewhere that ugly (plain) sites sell. Though with the wide selection of free themes available ugly (plain) is only an option - isn't it?

    What is the attraction? Please clue me in.
    Hi Tbunch,

    I believe that people actually want great looking, functional websites but don't have the time or required knowledge to develop stuff themselves.

    A lot of premium themes aside from looking good are very easy to use especially for the non-developer crowd.

    Many people get lost when they have to dive in a pile of code and premium themes usually address this by providing real support for their themes this is one of the reasons a lot of people use premium themes.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author tbunch
      I understand the easy use aspect but I think a lot of people don't know that free themes have built in function to make changes. One of the free themes I like if f2 and it has a lot of adjustments you can make on a user friendly management page.

      So is it that most think that only premium themes are easily customized?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
        Originally Posted by tbunch View Post

        I understand the easy use aspect but I think a lot of people don't know that free themes have built in function to make changes. One of the free themes I like if f2 and it has a lot of adjustments you can make on a user friendly management page.

        So is it that most think that only premium themes are easily customized?
        To add to this, flexsqueeze is one that has worked well for me personally. I think everything you can get paid there is a free alternative. Funny thing is sometimes the free alternative works better in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    I am in it for the ego boost. It makes me feel more professional to have an exclusive theme. It also increases my percieved value of the website and motivates me to build it.

    I am going to buy Headway for my next website as I want to be able to cuztomize it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
      I think that another issue is the distressing development of WP Themes that contain nasties...

      I am in the process of working on a WP related resource for offline business owners, and I will be discussing this very issue...

      Particularly for an offline business owner, going with a free theme can be a false economy, in time and possible hassles... a good example of cheap can cost you dear!
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      • Profile picture of the author koolphoto
        I think there are a lot of great free themes out there. It comes down to what you like and are happy with.

        Why do people buy Rolex watches? There are many watches that keep accurate time and look good. People buy Rolex watches to impress themselves, their friends or business associates.

        Same goes with many Premium themes.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by TinkBD View Post

        I think that another issue is the distressing development of WP Themes that contain nasties...
        But a lot of premium themes contain encrypted portions and do 'phone home' validations which also represent a potential risk.
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        • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
          Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

          But a lot of premium themes contain encrypted portions and do 'phone home' validations which also represent a potential risk.
          No argument there, but, at this point, I see less danger in a Theme phoning home for validation...

          If the developer is making $$ selling themes, it isn't going to be in his best interests to inject malware, is it? So, I figure there is a better chance of minimizing the risks involved.

          The fact of the matter is, we can't remove the risk, we can only minimize it...

          What I am not willing to do is ignore the risk because I can't remove it. ;-)

          Needless to say, in a discussion of this sort, there are unlikely to be clear cut right or wrong options...

          We simply need to make the decisions that we feel are best for our own businesses at the time in question...
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          • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
            Originally Posted by TinkBD View Post

            No argument there, but, at this point, I see less danger in a Theme phoning home for validation...
            This means that if the developer goes out of business and takes the 'home' domain down, you're out of business too since your theme stops working because it will no longer be able to validate.

            IMO, The best option for an offline business is to have a custom theme created exclusively for them in a "work for hire" contract where they'll have full and exclusive ownership of the theme specific code and graphics. Short of that, I'd recommend a customization of a free theme. I would almost never recommend paying for a premium theme since there are so many excellent free themes available that can be easily customized by any competent web developer.
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            • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
              Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

              This means that if the developer goes out of business and takes the 'home' domain down, you're out of business too since your theme stops working because it will no longer be able to validate.
              Good point! Obviously that is something to watch out for...

              The fact of the matter is that the internet changes so rapidly, most technology is at risk, if not in the short term, then probably in the mid term, and most definitely in the long term...

              If the technology online doesn't change, the culture online changes... or so it seems;-)

              Flexibility is a gift! *VeryBigGrin*


              IMO, The best option for an offline business is to have a custom theme created exclusively for them in a "work for hire" contract where they'll have full and exclusive ownership of the theme specific code and graphics. Short of that, I'd recommend a customization of a free theme. I would almost never recommend paying for a premium theme since there are so many excellent free themes available that can be easily customized by any competent web developer.
              Actually, at this point, I am generally creating themes for my clients...

              I am a designer, not a coder, so I use Artisteer... I am sure that the coders in the house will take offense (and I can understand that LOL), but it seems to get the job done in an attractive and competent manner.

              As always, my focus is on trying to keep the client's best interests in mind. ;-)

              Tink
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              • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                Originally Posted by TinkBD View Post

                I am a designer, not a coder, so I use Artisteer... I am sure that the coders in the house will take offense (and I can understand that LOL), but it seems to get the job done in an attractive and competent manner.
                I'm a programmer and I also like Artisteer since it's a quick and easy way to put together a new theme or just as basic HTML template. It does add a little overhead and isn't always perfect but it gets the job done.
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                • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
                  Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                  I'm a programmer and I also like Artisteer since it's a quick and easy way to put together a new theme or just as basic HTML template. It does add a little overhead and isn't always perfect but it gets the job done.
                  LOL Exactly! As a designer by training, I find it extremely easy to *get lost in the tweaking*... and the fact of the matter is, that last little bit of tweaking often ends up taking far more time than the what is accomplished with those changes!

                  In fact, over the last couple of years, I have been focusing on the mantra *Finished is better than perfect*

                  With Artisteer I can create an extremely attractive and functional theme. Is it EXACTLY what I would do if I had complete control? Possibly not...

                  Is it attractive, usable, and functional? Yes...

                  Artisteer has been an exceptionally good investment for me and more than paid for itself.

                  ;-)
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            • Profile picture of the author tbunch
              Originally Posted by sudysharma View Post

              I guess its depends on preference, but end of day you get what you pay for.
              How, exactly, does this apply to the discussion?:rolleyes:

              Originally Posted by Toon-c View Post

              Personally I want my websites to look great .. maybe there is no difference in the conversion rate between free and paid themes .. but It's just a perception ..
              Who's perception do you mean? Do you feel better because you spent $$ on your theme instead of using a free one?:confused:

              Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

              I'd recommend a customization of a free theme. I would almost never recommend paying for a premium theme since there are so many excellent free themes available that can be easily customized by any competent web developer.
              Not to mention how many now have a built-in options page to make changes without a stitch of code on the users part.

              This has really turned out to be a great little discussion I am glad I started it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Hetherington
    It's also a perception issue. Would take someone more seriosuly is they had a professional and premium theme or a freebie that anyone can get?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Also, a lot of the free themes ask that you keep their link in the footer. A lot of people don't want to do that, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbunch
    MisterMunch
    "I am in it for the ego boost. It makes me feel more professional to have an exclusive theme. It also increases my percieved value of the website and motivates me to build it."
    OK - fair enough. Though even if you had $200 theme isn't it still what you do with it?

    LaunchWorkshop
    "It's also a perception issue. Would take someone more seriosuly is they had a professional and premium theme or a freebie that anyone can get?"
    You aren't serious are you?:confused: I would think the end result would be more important than the base or theme. Have you looked at some of the free themes available?

    TinkBD
    "Particularly for an offline business owner, going with a free theme can be a false economy, in time and possible hassles... a good example of cheap can cost you dear!"
    Offline business is a little different than what I am looking at and yes the exclusive premium theme things is a great selling point. I don't buy, however, the old adage of "cheap can cost you" in general terms.

    This is a good discussion please keep it going. I am at least getting some reasons why people would automatically opt for a premium theme.
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    • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
      Originally Posted by tbunch View Post


      TinkBD
      "Particularly for an offline business owner, going with a free theme can be a false economy, in time and possible hassles... a good example of cheap can cost you dear!"
      Offline business is a little different than what I am looking at and yes the exclusive premium theme things is a great selling point. I don't buy, however, the old adage of "cheap can cost you" in general terms.
      I agree, this has been an interesting discussion...

      As for *Cheap can cost you dear...*

      I work with a LOT of offliners who are moving online reluctantly (Can you say kicking and screaming?). They want to keep the hassles and the costs to a minimum, yet they want the most bang for their buck, particularly these days.

      The thought of a theme with nasties and the ramifications that those issues can cause are overwhelming for someone like this...

      I point them in the direction of free or premium themes that have a reasonable expectation of being *safe from issues*

      They also don't have time to comb over the tens of thousands of themes that are out there.

      In addition, they may have goals for their WP site that are more easily accomplished by choosing the Theme with the best format / structure / appearance to reach those goals, whether the theme is free or premium.

      While some may plan on using the WP site as a blog, many of them are going to be using WP as a CMS (a paged site - in which case the page navigation and menu structure is critical). They may even be tweaking the WP installation into what I call a *combo* site. A page structured WP site with blog posts nested inside it. ;-)

      I guess in a nutshell, what they want is this... ***free or reasonably priced themes that are formatted to reach that business's online goals and methods ***

      Online and especially in the IM crowd, many folks going online don't have their own offline businesses (they may work, but it is a JOB, not their own business). They are starting from scratch and that can result in a variety of issues and goals that are dramatically different from an offline business owner already working 60+ hours a week... offline!

      Tink
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      • Profile picture of the author koolphoto
        Tink,

        I don't understand what you mean as nasties. To me that is a very general statement. I think most themes are good themes without problems.

        I think a theme is just a coating of paint you put on top of the Wordpress engine for show. So, I don't understand the nasties you are talking about.

        If you are talking about links you might not want then don't use the theme. I just look at the footer file. If it is protected, I avoid the theme. I don't have a problem about giving a author a link back. I do not like the themes that have multiple links in the footer. Those I avoid.

        I think there are quite a few free themes that are great for cms and businesses. Yes, you need to have the right ingredients like navigation bars if you want that. There are a lot of themes that have that today. I don't think premium themes handle widgets or plugins any better or worse then a free theme. If you look at the code the widget or plugin is just a php call. As long as it is there, then a free theme will handle widgets or themes well. I have even taken earlier themes and added the widget support when it was not originally there. It is not that hard.

        I just don't see the problem with free themes. I personally think people put too much emphasis in design. Yes, it is part of the equation, but there are other parts like copy which I think is more important.

        In the past I have designed or adapted these perfect themes for clients so they had a special look. I don't think they sold any more then if I didn't work on the theme.

        For myself, In the past I tended to use all free themes. I have since created a couple for myself. I now use them all the time and rarely change them except maybe to change a color or two. I don't worry too much about it. My sites do very well. I think too much emphasis is put on theme choice.
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        • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
          Originally Posted by koolphoto View Post

          Tink,

          I don't understand what you mean as nasties. To me that is a very general statement. I think most themes are good themes without problems.
          There are WordPress themes with malware in the code.

          WordPress › Support Malware in themes


          I think a theme is just a coating of paint you put on top of the Wordpress engine for show.
          I agree... the Theme is the decorated container for the site content.


          So, I don't understand the nasties you are talking about.
          Link provided above. ;-)

          I think there are quite a few free themes that are great for cms and businesses. Yes, you need to have the right ingredients like navigation bars if you want that. There are a lot of themes that have that today. I don't think premium themes handle widgets or plugins any better or worse then a free theme. If you look at the code the widget or plugin is just a php call. As long as it is there, then a free theme will handle widgets or themes well. I have even taken earlier themes and added the widget support when it was not originally there. It is not that hard.

          I just don't see the problem with free themes. I personally think people put too much emphasis in design. Yes, it is part of the equation, but there are other parts like copy which I think is more important.

          In the past I have designed or adapted these perfect themes for clients so they had a special look. I don't think they sold any more then if I didn't work on the theme.

          For myself, In the past I tended to use all free themes. I have since created a couple for myself. I now use them all the time and rarely change them except maybe to change a color or two. I don't worry too much about it. My sites do very well. I think too much emphasis is put on theme choice.
          I agree with you that the site content is of the utmost importance, and the Theme or LOOK of the site is secondary, providing it meets the user's usablity needs...

          However the evolution of Themes that come complete with their own pet nasties (malware) caused me to re-evaluate the advice I give to clients and seminar attendees...

          These folks don't have the skills, time, or energy to check for malware problems, so it just makes sense to send them to sources that are unlikely to have those issues.

          I hope this clears up my comments. ;-)

          Tink
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    Because the preimum theme look nicer and also have better widget support which is unbeatable as compare to the free wordpress theme.

    Don't you agree that the free version look similar in one way to another?
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    • Profile picture of the author tbunch
      Originally Posted by WinsonYeung View Post

      Because the preimum theme look nicer and also have better widget support which is unbeatable as compare to the free wordpress theme.

      Don't you agree that the free version look similar in one way to another?
      No I don't agree with this. In fact it is that ALL themes look similar in one way or another.

      There are 1000's of free themes that are available. There are probably 100's that are, by an options page, customizable.

      I guess I just don't get it I don't see a ROI in regard to paying for a theme. I have never heard of a web surfer complaining that a theme was a reason for not visiting a site.

      Hey I am just planing on offering my install service using the free themes that I can easily customize, if needed, and charge extra for those who want premium themes. I have no problem doing this.

      I really was just questioning the mindset behind the premium theme craze that I see. Just as a side note: most of the threads I see of people having problems are those with the premium themes.

      Thanks to all that have replied!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tbunch
    I think you are right koolphoto. This is the reason I originally asked the question - to find out what was the reason or mindset, if you will, behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author donmccobb
    Sounds to me from the comments that it's an ego thing. I've looked at a lot of free themes and I think that some of them look really great and hard to beat. It may be the paid themes are easier to work with, but you can pretty much do everything with the free ones too.

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  • Profile picture of the author Krisism
    One point that has been overlooked, is the shear distribution of free WP themes. When I create any blog or website I focus on differentiating from the competition - that's tough if you're both using a free theme.

    Additionally, premium themes are unique, less saturated on the net and sometimes come with heightened support. If a company or blogger has the cash, then investing in a premium theme makes it more difficult to replicate their style/aesthetics.

    Still, I use more free wp themes myself Just some reasons why.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    One other thing about paid themes is that you get support so if any problems arise, you won't be left on your own.

    I think this is pretty important when you are using the themes for clients. Maybe not so much if you are using them for yourself.

    I'm not sure how well the free themes are supported, I guess it probably depends on the developer?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    I have noticed differences in CTR when switching from a free theme to a paid one. In some cases even ranking, but that can be due to this and other reasons, as I'm always promoting my site.

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  • Profile picture of the author dbadwal
    Just to have better look and better conversions.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Most premium themes have menu options so you can edit things without directly editing the code, which makes things easier for people not so comfortable with the code. I prefer editing the code directly myself so I am quite happy to use free themes which in terms of look, are as good as expensive premium themes.
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  • Profile picture of the author msfunding
    I chose a paid for service so that I could get tech support. They also tend to be easier to work with when setting them up.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbunch
    I think that, in the end, we can all agree that you should use the best theme that fits YOUR particular need and or desire.

    I do have a clear understanding that, in terms of offline clients especially, there are times when spending the $$$ is probably beneficial if not required - offline clients can be hard enough to sell in the first place.

    I, as a blog installer, only use and recommend free themes found through wordpress.org or those recommended by others that I trust. The number of free themes that have built-in customization has increased dramatically lately and I personally, unless clients requires it, find no reason not to use them.

    I really appreciate all of those who have taken time to respond.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toon-c
    Personally I want my websites to look great .. maybe there is no difference in the conversion rate between free and paid themes .. but It's just a perception ..
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  • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
    Originally Posted by tbunch View Post

    I am just curious, and seek opinions, as to why so many want to use premium themes for their blogs when there are so many free themes available. I want to start a blog installation and maintenance service and consider this an odd thing. I have done hundreds of blogs and never even considered a premium theme.

    I mean there are thousands of free and customizable themes available so why be willing to pay upward of $50 for a theme. Do these themes:
    Suck in traffic?
    Make for better conversions?
    Give the owner and ego boost?

    I know I have read somewhere that ugly (plain) sites sell. Though with the wide selection of free themes available ugly (plain) is only an option - isn't it?

    What is the attraction? Please clue me in.
    Premium themes look more professional in most cases.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Most of the free ones look like free ones. They are plain, not particularly attractive, have poor layout for ad space, etc. I only use premium themes on the blogs I sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    First of all, the word "premium" is extremely misused in the Wordpress theme community. The reason is, anybody can create a theme, put a price tag on it, and call it "premium".

    So, with that in mind, I'll answer the question, "why pay for themes".

    The OP seems to focus on the "front end/appearance" of a theme, but when you pay for one, there is so much more you should be getting:

    1. Excellent coding: There are free themes that have great coding but many paid themes have better, and more organized, code (style sheets, etc.), which makes it easier to customize and reduces the chances of errors on different platforms, browsers, etc., especially when you're adding additional plugins/widgets/features.

    2. Backend theme options: Paid themes that are worth paying for will have an easy-to-use, extensive options panel built in that allows you to customize everything easily (colors, ads, layout, etc.) right from your Wordpress dashboard so that you don't have to touch any code. This is great for both beginners and advanced users. beginners can customize their theme without knowing any code, and advanced users can tweak all the typical stuff quicker and easier.

    Yes there are some free ones that have theme options, but in my experience, most paid themes have more advanced features.

    Most paid themes will also have several different "styles" to choose from. For instance, some might come with a clean style, a grunge style, and several other styles built in. This can save you a ton of time instead of running around searching for a "different style theme" every time you build a new niche site (meaning you can use the same theme and simply choose a different style to match a different niche on a new blog)

    This is often a big bonus for:
    a. people who create a ton of niche sites
    b. people who build sites for clients as a service (which brings me to the next reason...)

    3. Developers/Special Needs : If you're creating a lot of blogs, then then you want the best coding/options possible to make your life easy and save you time...especially if you're selling to customers on a regular basis.

    On top of that, there are a ton of paid themes that are built with robust features that meet the needs of specific niches and types of businesses...

    For instance, there are themes that you can buy that are strictly for:

    - E-commerce and retail product sales (with built-in store options like adding/editing products, shopping cart, inventory, etc. )
    - Real estate themes built for agents with detailed features for property listings, etc.
    - Artist themes like photo galleries, band themes with tour scheduling and music players
    - Video/movie themes

    4. Support : I use Woo themes and their support is "premium". They have a support STAFF and a forum dedicated to helping you quickly with any problems you may have.

    That alone is worth the price to many people who know they have somewhere to turn.

    Here's another BIG ONE. When you pick up a free theme that was built 2 years ago and the theme designer can not be contacted. What are you going to do when your theme has a code issue that needs to be updated to work with the lastest Wordpress update when it is released.

    Theme designers/companies with quality support will provide updates to your theme, if required, for new versions of Wordpress.

    With all that said, I have to say there are some badass free options out there, but these are the reasons that don't mind paying for Wordpress themes.
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by SuiteJ View Post

      but many paid themes have better, and more organized, code (style sheets, etc.), which makes it easier to customize
      To the contrary, most paid themes I've seen have had encrypted code sections and obfuscated CSS with the intentional goal of making them difficult to customize and modify outside of the provided theme options.
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      • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        To the contrary, most paid themes I've seen have had encrypted code sections and obfuscated CSS with the intentional goal of making them difficult to customize and modify outside of the provided theme options.
        Well, we must be using different ones. There are plenty out there and like I said, the word "premium" doesn't mean much on it's own when advertised.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        To the contrary, most paid themes I've seen have had encrypted code sections and obfuscated CSS with the intentional goal of making them difficult to customize and modify outside of the provided theme options.
        I've spent over $1,000 or so on Premium themes - developer edition and never run into encrypted code. The support provided in the forums, the constant updates when Wordpress updates ... all make it well worth the expense for me, and my customers love them.
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        • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I've spent over $1,000 or so on Premium themes - developer edition and never run into encrypted code. The support provided in the forums, the constant updates when Wordpress updates ... all make it well worth the expense for me, and my customers love them.
          Same here...

          and I've never seen encrypted code in general (themes I paid for), let alone any code that "purposefully got in the way of customization".

          I do remember seeing free themes in the past with encrypted code to keep their credits in the footer and things of that nature (because keeping credits was in the terms of usage)...so it's all relative to who you're dealing with I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbunch
    Great! More interesting points. Keep them coming. I really am glad I started this.
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