What would you do about this thief?

sink him.

that is a dirt ball move, what he did.

If it's really your product, your idea, up your game.


Always be one step ahead of your competition. But I guess you probably are unable to do that, and instead will get all "whiny" on his butt, rather than getting all "gangsta".


All talk, no game? Or all game, and no talk?

Tar and feather him and then make him move to Juneau.

Girl you know it's.... girl you know it's.... girl you know it's....

Is it possible that they took your advice (and followed the methods) and then, over time became an authority on the subject?

Only asking because if I studied something over a period of 2 years, putting it all into practice and made a success of the methods. I'd consider publishing my results and findings.

However, I would most likely give attribution to the person who taught me the method in the first place.

Nothing. I would just keep doing what I am doing.

I see this happening on this forum all the time.

I have kept an eye on one particular person who seems to purchase other products only to come out with a similar product.

Personally, I prefer people like that for competition.

While they are trying to keep up I am blazing through other creative products or strategies.

They will never be able to keep up.

Now, it sounds like this may be an ego thing with you.

Swallow the ego and keep doing what you are doing. Well, that is what I would do.

Hey JMo,

At least Milli Vanilli could dance.



What I mean is they were about packaging, but I find it hard to believe that the thief in question is going to present it better than you did.

They may be able to steal your stuff, but they can't steal your personality; that's one thing they'll never duplicate, as well as one of your best selling points.

Those are important points, even if they don't directly answer your question.

All the best,
Michael

Have your lawyer write him a letter. Then sue his ass.

J-Mo,

Consider yourself lucky that it took several years - I've had people doing that to my stuff for many years.

It's seems normal now and I expect someone to be 'pioneering' a new strategy to be pimping something I consider old most of the time now.

Some people call it marketing, but the majority don't seem to care as long as it makes money.

If I were you I wouldn't waste my time giving it a second thought - life's too short.

Your success is not reliant on anyone else so they're not going to stop you getting what you deserve.

Just let it go and move your own position forward.

Andy

If there isn't making money involved, it's just ego... which can be necessary as well depending on the situation. Just be sure you are very clear about it internally.

Come up with a bigger launch in his own market and show him who is the Daddy Mack while making money in the process.

Being clever and stealing are two different things.

Sadly, piss poor marketers without a original bone in their body have yet to figure this out in life.

I could care less about the money. It's about integrity, which apparently quite a large percentage around here have very little of.

I'm pretty retarded for even expecting much different.

True pioneers are few and far between.

Don't use a lawyer.

Just have Vegas Vince draft something for you. If that doesn't do the trick, nothing will.



~M~

There are basically two choices.
1) Live and let live.
2) File a lawsuit.
Everything else is pretty much hot air.

Unless they have taken it word-for-word and it infringes on your intellectual property ... there's not a whole lot you can really do about it.

The music industry is probably the best example: These guys steal left, right and center. Remember Vanilla Ice? Yeah, his Ice Ice Baby blockbuster was stolen from QUEEN - UNDER PRESSURE ... he pawned it off as his own creation.

Well, the only way to settle this is to take out the Sledgehammer and go over there, just like Suge Knight who wanted his cut from Vanilla

Can't make money in jail

I'd simply get over myself....

It's a bit short-sighted to think that it's a big deal.

Most, if not all of what we see being "taught" about online "marketing" etc, came from somebody else first.

We're just usin' this stuff as a vehicle, the people before us did, and the next group will do too.

I'm trying not to be ignorant here, but it's difficult when we are discussing something so trivial.

Unless of course, he is using your sales copy word for word.. then we might be talkin somethin' different.

Peace

Jay

Well, just be thankful that he didn't steal your idea and then publish it as a book on Amazon under YOUR NAME like someone did to this person:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...9FJt9Q1ZfGbshM

... or maybe they did do that and you just don't know it yet!

Hey, I like that idea.

I can't remember who said that but "If you can't beat 'em ... join 'em". Seems like the most practical solution I'd say

Nick

You have a very large man knock on his door and suggest they go for a coffee. This will cost you Two Large but in my experience is worth every cent. For future "There was this one Dude who thought he could take advantage..." stories if nothing else.

To feed off of what Richard said, figure out a way to work WITH
him instead of AGAINST him. Certainly there's a way to make that
work somehow (where there's a will there's a way). Don't you
think?

*WHINE WHINE WHINE*


Want some cheese with that, bud?

I'd go gangsta on him. I know you can't expose him in this thread, but you can on your own blog. People who get away with this crap just continue to rip off everyone else's work.

Jason,

My move would be to send him a sarcastic email.

Something like:

Subject: Joint Venture Proposal from Jason Moffat

Obviously this person would be extremely excited to see this email from you, so click...

It looks like your having a successful launch with (Insert Product Name), I'm contacting you because as you know I have a 15,000 person list in the same niche and wanted to propose a potential Joint Venture.

I will send your product to my list. I don't know how the response will be considering they received (Insert Your Product) already, and both are extremely similar, scarily similar, in fact... never mind.

End Email.

J-Mo - if it's really about people getting the original product and not a rip off product, here's an idea for you...

Give your product away. You could build a helluva mailing list in the process and render his product worthless. All you have to do is get the word out effectively.

Then write a new version filled with even better stuff and you can sell it to your big new list.

Ok, first off I really enjoy reading posts like these. Having some passion on here makes it a lot more fun. As we all know piracy is a part of the internet, you don't have to go that far to find something that was a copy of some original.

I wouldn't be too worried if I was you. First off, if you are good, the cream will rise to the top. Don't get so worked up about this, you were the one who was smart enough to figure it out in the first place and you can do it again. Secondly, you have to remember that there is way more people out there as compared to the amount of marketers. My point being, the internet is a pretty big place. Who cares if he steals, I am sure you could squash him anyway.

I totally understand why you are upset but I say #$@% it and move on. Use that energy to make something bigger and better.

Do nothing as traffic strategies done 1 year ago is useless today. Surely by now you must have moved from a "few years ago" to current or if "best traffic strategies" is your game you should be doing 2011 stuff already and forgotten the past



Made my day that is why I love this forum - some much fun yet so much truth

I know what JMo had stolen from him and I know by whom.

I watched the video that JMo put out a while back...it was free, but meant as a teaser for his main product, methinks. So unless he gives away that entire thing for free, he can't make this idea any more free.

I don't know about now, but I'm pretty sure that when JMo first released that video, the stuff he taught inside was new - as in, very few people, if any, were doing it.

Now, someone is using calling the ideas within that video their own and making themself look amazing. JMo is upset over the plagiarism.

So there's the plagiarism issue.

Now that the method has been released to the "public", the person who supposedly came up with the idea will get all the credit while JMo's original product will not.

Say JMo was the caveman that invented the wheel. What happened was, caveman #2 came along, took the idea, and called it his own. Sure, people were going to find out about wheels eventually, but that doesn't change the fact that JMo was the dude who invented it (and therefore should get the credit), not caveman #2.

What would I do? Probably blog about it, but simply to present facts, not to provoke a fight.

Curtis

Edit: maybe I meant innovation, not invention My main point was that plagiarism occurred...it's easier to know what I'm talking about if you actually watched JMo's video and knew which person did the infringing. Plagiarism is not only naughty, but not allowed! Must give credit to primary source!

Interesting this thread, not just because of Jason's OP but the variety of ways that folk have responded to it.

Anywaysup...

J-Mo, you don't need our advice, do you. You know what to do. Sure, you're feeling a bit pissed at the guy at the moment, but you also know he's not worth it and you know it's not worth feeling those feelings - gets you nuthin' but a sore gut.

But please don't tar the entire IM scene and members of this forum with the same brush. We're not all like this guy. If you start thinking like that it'd get real depressing.

Life's too short to harbour such negativity, but again, you know that too.


Peter

Give him 20 lashings of the birch!

A bit like john cleese did to his car in Faulty Towers

Jason, what can be said.. the internet is full of The Good, The bad and the Ugly.

Jason,

Your better then this. Forget this turkey make some gravy and devour him by making a brand new and improved version of said product and eat him up. NO one is worth getting twisted over I used to think so until I spent a few yrs in the Iron City
Now unless my wife,kids,house,or car are in immediate danger I just don't see any point be smarter then him. devour him like a turkey dinner and move on .
-WD

I think that is the problem. Haven't had a beer in 19 days, and I'm on this dietary cleanse where I don't eat much food. Super agitated.

I just wanted the dude to know I thought it was a chump move and I wouldn't just sit by quietly and let him rake in notoriety with my stuff. Not my style.

This was just a shot across the bow.

I'm sure it will or has got his attention.

Jason Moffatt said...

Exactly dude.

I was thinking more along the lines of paying a hot hooker with herpes to hit on him, do the nasty, and let him think he was a stud.

One final thing Jason: Do you have the number of a hot hooker (without the Herpes) that does the nasty and makes old guys feel like a stud? Hook me up!

I think I know who you're referring to.

I didn't know it was you're initial idea, I had actually seen it in at least two different products , which makes three including yours Jason.

Agreed, it's way from being something new I'm afraid.

Is anyone finding this as amusing as I do? I think this girl has a crush on Jason!

Jason, water on a duck's back my friend!

well this business gets dirtier and dirtier by the day. Afte rthe day I've had your problems are small.

The fact is thought with information it's copied, re-worded, re-designed and passed off al lthe time. I see no way of stopping it. Probably why it has such a short shelf life. Which is depressing.

I need to get out of this industry I think. I't's too stresful and too depressing. Seems I have to battle every day against scammers. Anything and everything goes.

You keep saying its not about the money...you don't care about the money.

WHY NOT?!!!!

I don't care if it was a flat nickel and I had Bill Gates' bank account - if someone makes money off my stuff, I want a cut. After all, this is a business.

Now, I'm not here for notoriety or fame or brownie points or fun - I want to put my kids through college and retire. But still, there has to SOME tiny bit of rage in there somewhere because of the money...or maybe I'm just different. :confused:

Allen

Jason ... I see a "The Death of Originality" opportunity ;-)

i.e The Death of Adsense, The Death of Article Marketing, The Death of Affiliate Marketing...

Expose it on your blog and do some videos on it.
Seems to have generated lots of attention here.

Oh I'm not saying I wouldn't be pissed solely on the premise of being plagiarized. My articles are all over the internet with plagiarists names on them - and it pisses me off to no end!

The integrity is certainly in question - actually, there is no question about it.

But as a business owner, the money HAS to come into play as well.

Allen

You are the innovator. You are the originator. He's selling your old stuff.

Paul

haha think i know what tactic youre talking about Jason, you should give this dude an "ultimatum", challenge him to an RV drag race or something. You should see if he bought your course this tactic was in, then you would know for sure he rehashed it.

To be fair though, are you the originator of this concept, cause i never knew you had done something on this and ive been doing it for a couple years now, curious what your product is called?

Might just have pick it up and compare what ive been doing. Always nice to see other marketers using the same tactic but with a different spin.

And there is no way this dude is making 100K a month with this concept selling crappy affiliate products. Even if he was using it to sell his own stuff, he wouldnt be pulling that in.

Innovation is fun and exciting - but it can also get you into heaps of trouble if you're not careful. (Business trouble, not legal trouble)

You have to ALWAYS be thinking one step ahead of your thoughts that already have to be one step ahead!!!

LOL

Nearly every course out there seems to just rehash stuff. Rehashing is one thing. I actually know what exactly your talking about; the method and the launch that is. And I can tell you there have been a number of wso's that show you how to implement the method. Whether they thought of it themselves is one thing. Perhaps this big launch marketer discovered the method through one of the wso's instead of yours. However, it is possible that he really did stumble upon the method and did not actually know there were marketers already sharing it with the public.

Either way, it's a little late I'll say. Those comments show exactly who marketer x is catering to.

Cheers

Don't hate the playa...hate the game. Rehashing is the nature of the beast around these parts.

If you have put the correct and accurate legal means on your product prior to him taking it then I would suggest contacting a lawyer if it is that big of a deal.

Jason Moffatt, are you a gangster? Then no, I would not go gangster rap on him unless you are a rapper as well.

This stuff happens all the time in the IM world, and even in Warrior Forum. The question you should ask is, will you gain anything by doing this? If you say yes, then you should ask is, do I want what I will gain? If the answer is still yes, then do it.

Blame it on the rain.

And by the way, I probably wouldn't reference the "rap game" as some sort of authority on how to do things.

Ugh man...

Alright then Jason, get back at the slimy SOB. Just make sure you hit him
hard enough so he stays down...otherwise you'll be wasting your time when
you could have put the same time into making more kick-ass original products.

I'm sure you know what your time is worth...

Are you talking about buying youtube videos?

If so, I hope your not serious!!! You would have to be a pure egomaniac to think you own or invented that technique.

People have bought Youtube accounts since the day Youtube came out.

Oh by the way, I invented advertising on adwords so no one is aloud to write a course on it. Just letting you all know.

Please. . . cry me a river someone!!!

The more you bang the more you get it back.
Play dirty, the dirtier plays back so you play back even dirtier and it keeps getting dirtier until you are playing the dirtiest haha down by the dungeons in an endless vicious circle. That's the beauty and satisfaction of an ego trip.

Move on and focus your energy on something else!

I believe ideas cannot be copyrighted.

So he COULD have thought about this thing himself.

Maybe he learned from you, maybe he did not. But still, ideas cannot be copyrighted.

So you should just move on. It's not like you're going to suffer any major losses.

-Shaun

Hi Jason,

How about finding a way of owning it. The thing is, the Internet is always full of recycled information. No one can really claim that they are the sole originator of the idea. After all, ideas come from other ideas. One way or another you have to thank someone for giving that idea to you.

But I agree that it sucks that he did not even thanked you. If you know that person, maybe talk to him via email or personally about what he have done. But if you do not know him, maybe he did not know that you have the same idea. Some people have a chance to think alike you know.

But for you, I would suggest owning the idea by being an expert. That way, people will be going to you first when they need to know about something.

The discussed video actually reminded me of watching someone jumping on the stage, and sharing the same ideas while wearing a silly sombrero,poncho and crate of beer...a couple of years ago.

'Atta boy Mofo. Give 'em hell!

I think you should definitely do something to get back at him. I know who you're talkin about and when I first saw the pre-launch video, the first thing that came to my mind was the video of you teaching this exact method.

I can't believe he's trying to pass it off as his own especially because he seems to be getting more well-known in the marketing world and he had to know that it would get back to you. To me, that's like him sayin "I know Jason's gonna find out, but I don't give a $@!#."

I personally have a hard time letting people pull some BS on me and I could never sit back and just "let it go". Maybe it's not always the best decision, but at the time all you can think about is getting back at the person.

Anyway, you could try to ruin his product by releasing your entire method for free like some others have mentioned. I know you probably got a pretty big list and a lot of people that read your blog. I bet a good amount of people that would have bought his product would have no need to if you gave away the entire method for nothing.

To get even more eyes on it, you could have some of the other marketers that you JV with that have big lists give away your version of the product to their lists too. The more people that get it for free, the less he will be able to sell.

Please don't take offense to this "J-Mo".....but I beg to differ that you "pioneered" this little YouTube technique.

Personally, I don't know exactly who did....but I did include it in a little product I launched here in the Warrior Forum over 3 years ago....and I actually started using the technique 4-6 months before that.

I'm pretty sure that is before you "pioneered" this technique at whatever seminar that was I saw the video of.....

Here's the brutally awful WSO video I posted on YouTube (WARNING: turn down your speakers!) -

February 6, 2007


About 23 seconds in, you'll see the bullet point, "How to Legally "Piggyback" Off the Success of Other YouTube Videos...". Ummm....right there is where I'm referring to the technique of paying people on YouTube to put your link up....or flat out just buying people's YouTube accounts.

Like I said, this was before you "pioneered" it.....(wink)

Fact is, chances are you probably NEVER even saw my product....and even if you did, kudos go to you for having the stones and talent to flat out MARKET and SELL it better than I probably ever could. That's just the way the game works....as a mentor of mine always said - "It is what it is."

It's also entirely possible that the guy you are angry at never even saw your product.....just sayin'.

No matter what....there are some serious LESSONS to be learned here.

First off, an idea that was out there and SOLD here at the WF over 3 years ago (February 6, 2007!) is still able to be sold and marketed as NEW. With the speed at which the internet moves, this is pretty astounding.

Another lesson.....He who markets best wins. It's not who is first or necessarily who has the best original ideas.

I think there are some Warriors who will look at this thread like some of the usual "gossip" nonsense that gets bandied about here more and more frequently than ever. But others will take this and see a world of opportunity and possibility open up....heck Allen Says even kind of wrote about this very thing in his Private Posts ebook!

If it makes you feel any better....just look at me and think at least you're not me. I put this idea in my little course and made a couple thousand dollars from it....I'm pretty sure you made more than that....and now this next guy might even make more than that.

I say, "Good for him!". No...???

Just found a video from early 06. So, I'm still claiming the title

Its not just happening in IM, it happens in the big bad corporate world as well. It does not matter who invented it... the one who can market it better always succeeds.

There's a certain launch going on right now about buying youtube accounts or paying for links, and it's gonna be a big launch and probably make a lot of money. Come to think of it, I think I know exactly who you are talking about now! It's all got to be in the marketing, because I thought a lot of people knew about this by now, and I don't see the point in paying this fella who likes to show pictures of all the cool places he's been whatever he's gonna price it at, probably $97 or $77 or something, for something so utterly simple.

I invented peanut butter and jelly too.

Jason,

Why not take the fight to him the right way?

Challenge him to a contest. Relaunch your product, and then challenge him to take 10 people, you take 10 people, and work with them to implement the program.

Think about the potential publicity...You can claim to be the master, he can claim to be the master.. Both of you win, 20 clients win, and in the end one of you proves a point of who the true master is.

Of course, that takes big brass balls, which we all know you have, now the question is, does he?

Barry

Come to think of it, it's entirely possible considering this age that this guy doesn't know that Jason Moffatt did the first big product on this method 4 years ago. Just my opinion. Yeah, it's a really silly move, him thinking this method is somehow revoluntionary. However, he probably has his own way of doing it and his own twist, who knows? How much alteration of a well known method do you need to do to make it your own?

Don't get angry, get even. Create a product on how you can achieve success by 'stealing' ideas from others and claiming it as your own. That dude would make a good case study in the manual :-)

You can do only two things... file a lawsuit or live him alone.

Or... post all over the internet about this guy (wich is pretty boring) you better pay someone to do it.

Actually.. three things