Put your money where your mouth is...

You're right. We should all give away all the secrets,
systems, and strategies we've worked on for years
perfecting for absolutely free.

We should hand everything over on a silver platter,
even though we've had to bust our asses to make
ourselves a success.

We should do all the work for people who don't want
to do any actual work themselves.

We should never, ever try to sell anything to anyone
that would help them if only they used it.

I don't know what we were thinking...

Isn't Uncle Sam doing this already, paying for your car payment, your mortgage, your big screen tv?

Mmmm did you wake up a bit aggressive today mate?

Your frustration is understandable, I suppose, but to expect others to stop bettering their own lives to better yours is just a bit over the top, don't ya think?

The best thing about the web is, we all have the same chance. These guru's who you were listening to were, no doubt, in your position at one time. I don't mean financially, I mean the amount of knowledge about internet marketing they had.

We all started out and it's up to the individual how bad they want it and what they're willing to do to get it.

A tip: If you don't have the money to purchase a marketing course, you can find everything you need for free on Google to get started. You just have to be willing to put in the time and the effort.

I suppose I am going to give all my secrets away for free....

and when it comes time to pay mortgage, I will just go to the bank and tell them I will not be making a mortgage payment today because I think they should just give me money for free....

next I am going to a dealership and tell them I want a new car but don't want to pay for it because I have been working for free and therefore I should get a free car....

next I am going grocery shopping... but I won't pay and just tell them I want all this stuff for free because I don't get paid for my work...

that's a nice idea but we have yet to live in a communistic society

Why would you spend 75 minutes of your life on something you found so repulsive?

When you buy something that's expensive, you want some kind of proof that what you're buying works or has some authority. With "gurus" and IM products, that means talking about how much money's been made.

If they didn't, there would be just as many complaints but for the opposite reason.

Hey sporty,

I realize you are angry, but this is no reason to rant at the gurus in general because your life sucks. It isn't their fault you are having a hard time and if you were to take all advertising/marketing the wrong way, you would have to write to all the newspaper advertisers, the TV advertiser, the politicians and what not to complain to them too.

Fact is, these guys (whether you like it or not) have worked hard to build their online businesses. You can do this too and there is absolutely no need to buy ANYTHING!

In fact, ALL the info you ever need to build a great income streams can be found online - especially here on the WF.

Blaming others for your lack of success is simply shifting the responsibility to others.

The problem seems to me that you are pulled this way and that with all the offers that flood your inbox and that makes you angry. Focus your energies on the one "system" "method" and build the heck out of it without parting with your money.

Once you earn your first dollars you can invest them into business tools.

All the best
Monika

Woke my wife up laughing. The really funny part "If it's any comfort." LOL. Thanks,

Geoge Wright

seriously?

WOW this is classic. Anyone have a TOP 10 for Warrior battles post?
Though this was more of an assassination LOL
sporty speaking of the two side of the bed. advice from ozduc understand something.

Not only do you not have to listen to anyone you don't want to listen to you also have to realize everyone is not a crook.

In fact I am sure everyone could agree that actual crooks make it rough on the honest people here and everywhere else.

I think everyone else brought up the flip side to that superbly but hey if you have a issue with it SOLVE the PROBLEM

Step up and help those very people. And if you didn't know how the smarter route would have been to "Ask".

No offense Shorty but your so wrong. Why would they give it away for free. Life is tough, but you keep going. Your in a bad state it sounds, but it sounds like your trying to blame everyone else for your troubles...and now you want the gurus to help you for free..come on...grow up and take control...start making some websites and make some money its not that hard.

I might not be very popular for saying this, but...

In most cases, a person's situation is made of their own doing.

I say MOST cases because there are times when something unforeseen such as a medical emergency or a huge lawsuit could financially ruin you and leave you owing tons of money.

If you've worked pretty hard all your life and you have nothing to show for it, then, I'm afraid to say that's just poor money management. Where has the money gone? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone else who spent it for you.

I do sympathise with you, but nobody owes you anything - you used the word GURU, (i.e. a successful Internet marketer) in your example, why should they (as successful business owners) be singled out? Why not just say that ALL SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE owe you because you're not as successful as them?

Oh, and BTW - while Mr & Mrs "hard-up" are on welfare/benefits etc, where do you think the majority of that money is coming from?

Taxes!

And who pays those????

People who earn money...

Nobody has to prove their humanity, how they CHOOSE to live is their prerogative.

[edited to add]

As for being sick of product launch emails... one click solves it all - in fact, you CHOSE to receive those emails in the first place.

If you are so "sick to death" of product launches, hit the unsubscribe button. Actually, I don't get those emails because I never subscribed to start with.

Now why exactly do you think that successful people owe you something? There's been many times that I couldn't afford something and found a way to do what I want to do anyway. If you don't have the inner resources to make yourself successful, no one else will be able to do it for you ... and get this ... no one "owes" you anything, so quit your whining, get off your can and get something done, even if it's learning to do something .... Google it.

Absolutely Rinsed !

Hey Sporty,

Your frustration is well understood by lots of people I'm sure.

I would like to address a couple of points though, although I understand that these probably do not represent your experience.

1 - There ARE people doing what you say.

Now, rather than talk about other people or refer to assumptions I can tell you that I personally have done the following for members of this forum:

1 - Sent money (hundreds of dollars usually)
2 - Provided equipment (computers mostly)
3 - Bought tools (software usually)
4 - Bought War Room memberships
5 - Provided free coaching
6 - Done work - at one point I was doing so much to help others for free that I was paying people to do some of it because I didn't have the time.
7 - Been a friend - sometimes people go through rough patches and just need an understanding friend to talk to.
8 - Given paid work
9 - Referred work from other people to them
10 - Physically picked them up and taken them to seminars they couldn't get to.

There are more things, but I think you get the idea.

Now - I realize I'm not a guru and just a normal guy who spends too much time at this forum, but I know others do things too, so I'm saying that while I know others do things you can take my word that I have.

So your generalization about people not really doing it is just wrong.

2 - Your point about why people don't give everything for free.

Well, as I've already stated - some of us have and do.

But apart from that - it's been my experience that when you do things for people for free, they often (usually) don't value that like they would if they had paid.

Some people just won't put in the effort even if they do pay thousands of dollars, and even less if they paid little or nothing.

So - it's not actually in most peoples interests to get it handed to them on a plate.

3 - Why should they? It's one thing for someone to want to give back and go out of their way to do it - but no-one has the right to demand they do so.

Now, not being a guru - I can tell you that no matter how much you earn, you're likely to have cashflow problems.

Personally I am terrible with money - I love to give it away and I love to travel, so between those 2 things I usually don't end up with much no matter what comes in. I've been known to give away too much and have to struggle to pay a bill I forgot about.

I can tell you now that if I suddenly got an extra $100k tomorrow - I'd have probably spent most of it (read given away) by next month because I just can't help myself. If I have friends or family that need something - I jump in and do what I can.

I've often had people say to me "oh well, it's ok for you" when they see me giving away money - but sometimes they have more money than I do at that point. My giving has no direct relationship to what I have - I give no matter what I do or don't have. Obviously the more I have, the more I give - but that's the only relationship.

So, you can probably imagine why I might take exception when I see someone say "no-one" helps others in such a blanket statement.

If you look for them - there are a lot of good people in IM and in this forum.

I don't want to make a list because I'll miss someone and get flamed for it, but they're here.

Andy

the secret to making it in IM is learn, implement. at times fail, persistence and most importantly, perseverance and you'll get there. Frankly speaking prepare to work.

Your whining spirit wont get you there .. trust me.

IM is not for the faint hearted or the whiner

If a "guru" or a big marketer brags about how much money they make:

I CANNOT BE LESS IMPRESSED!

The reason is that those people use The income figures from their PRODUCT SALES - and this does not mean that using the product itself is actually creating the income.

The funny thing is, many are so naive and believe exactly that!

Again: The big names are making most money selling their products and methods - and their income and screen shots are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST proof that the method itself works - its simply proof that he sold many of the products.

Naturally, this confusion is intended but if you are smart you know that!

I hear that George, but I think that a big reason why people feel the need to do it is that it's what many beginners want to see.

The same reason you see it all over the wso section.

I'd like to think that they're also hoping to inspire a few people who just need to know it's possible.

But like you, it turns me off when they go on about it because it has nothing to do with the product usually.

they just do that to hype things up and people want to be like them so they buy their products, if you don't want to hear people talk about how wonderful they are, don't support them by going to their webinars

Sporty -
Please don't allow certain people in our government to trick you into believing that people who "have" must share with the "have-nots". Spreading the wealth is not Capitalism. It is actually called Socialism with Communistic undertones. Sporty, people have a right to earn a profit in a Capitalistic society. You also have a right to refuse to buy the product.

This next Monday morning Americans may wake up in a brand new world where, we the people, will be forced to purchase a product called Insurance - if we don't, we'll be Taxed or fined heavily. This is not Capitalism and it's certainly not Constitutional. A governement should never have the legal right to force their citizens to purchase a product.

Sporty, I hope you give some of this some thought and decide to work hard, create relationships with marketers and realize that Rome was not built in a day. It may take time and a lot of effort - but in the end you can say "I did it and I did it without a hand-out."

Good Luck my friend.
Happy Trails!

Um internet MARKETING is exactly what it is...marketing products and services for sale. I am sick to death of all the whiners coming on here and trying to get people to just give their knowledge away for nothing and think that they are owed something!

Why don't you learn how to market products and services? You are looking for a shortcut and a freebie. Learning this stuff takes hard work, and why in the world should anyone just give away their knowledge for free when they have families to feed and their own lives to take care of?

What makes you so special that someone should "set you up" with a website and marketing system for nothing? Time to wake up and smell the coffee and quit coming on here and pissing and moaning about what others should do and start learning something yourself!

Hey Sporty,

I'll give you another example. I wasnt going to bring it up, but AndyHenry inspired me to...

I was on here late, late at night on Christmas nite last year(needed an escape from 15 hours straight of turkey and presents)...

Anyways, there was a warrior on here who posts quite a bit(1000's of posts) and seemed like an intelligent fellow. But he posted that he was in dire straights due to some bad luck and indeed was going to be without a place to sleep that night. I was moved by it and really just felt like it sucked that someone was in that condition on Christmas. So I sent him a PM and offered him a writing job that i was about to send to one of my other writers.

It was an easy ebook that was already outlined -- all i wanted him to do was put "meat on the bones" and i told him i would be flexible with him on deadlines considering his situation... So I offered for him to do it for $1000 and I would pay him $500 right there up front on the spot so he could get a room for the night. He agreed. I sent him $500 on paypal that nite. He never wrote the book. I didnt push him. He sent me a couple emails 3 weeks later with excuses. But it doesnt matter.

THe bottom line is that this illustrates both sides of what has been discussed in this thread. I knew there was a chance i was just giving this TOTAL STRANGER $500 and would never see anything from it other than knowing I helped the dude out... And it turned out that way. Great. I did a good deed.

But the bigger issue is this. If this guy had done a good job for me, he would have gotten 50-60 similar projects from me THIS YEAR. He would have been able to make probably $75k+ freelancing just for me. I let him know this too when I sent him the outline for the project.

So, this guy had a real chance to make a connection with someone who could have changed his life. But he didnt.

Looking at it from his perspective, I'm sure he has 20 great reasons why he blew it on that deal... and maybe they are valid.

Looking at it from my perspective, I helped him as much as he wanted - but was willing to help him much more.

This sort of thing happens all the time. Unfortunately, its just like i said in my previous post -- you can't put "it" into somebody for them ...no matter how bad you want to.

Ever heard of the unsubscribe button?

All I can say about this forum right now is that I have never seen any amount of free information that is worth more than just being free anywhere else online. A lot of this information makes sense to me because I personally feel like it was the part of the puzzle I was missing from trying to start my own successful online business. I don't think anything here is a basic "get rich quick" scheme. ( Thank goodness!) But I do feel that there are people making money online and I don't expect someone to tell me everything they are doing because I respect a persons right to their own information and protecting their own income. I do however greatly appreciate the help along the way because it's becoming invaluable to me. I don't know everything and probably never will but I am so armed with more information now than I ever had before thanks to this forum and I feel like the things I want to do are not impossible for me and that they can happen. It is up to me to do the legwork though and I already know that while I feel I have a truly rocking product that not everyone else may feel that way and just buy a million dollars worth my first month. That's okay though. I am in it for the longhaul and hoping that once I get my project started and make my first dollar I will be in a great position to scale it up.

There is a wealth of information on this forum and honestly it seems to me putting it to use would be very effective. People are helping and they are being very generous imo so hopefully Sporty you can find the time to take another look and put that information to good use. Best of luck and if you would like to know about companies that hire people to work for them from home until you can work your project into a full time income please message me and I will send you some sites to check out :-)

Hey real talk man, it's all about giving back to the community you serve. Without that all your going to get is reactions like this, ya know?

It's about helping others achieve success. Know your prospects outcome and then give them the tools to help get them there the fastest. Do that and you will achieve true success.

Dude. I have had great success with IM and I was making like 5k a day at one stage.. Then I told my "friend" what I was doing and how I was doing it and before I knew it everyone was doing it and it got so flooded that I wasn't making money.

Now, you expect IMers to tell you what they're doing just so you can F it up for them?

Why would they do that.

I will tell everyone my secret - Find something that is working and put your own twist on it.

Then.. DON'T TELL ANYONE!

Coming from somebody who has not hit the top just yet, I understand the hard work involved in being successful in IM like most of the Warriors on this forum, and not in this forum. Asking them to give freely to you or somebody like you the "secrets to their success" is like asking a lawyer who went through 8 years of school busting their butt to be successful how to be a lawyer. Or a doctor how to be a doctor. I believe that in anything you do in life you have to work hard for. The ones that are successful worked hard and it's not fair for you to feel they should give that to you for free.

If it's one thing I learned here is that there are no free lunches. Once upon a time I may have thought that, but now I know better. And you shouldn't think that either. Read read read read in this forum, you will find many ways that might suit your needs in becoming a successful IM. Just like there are different areas of being a lawyer or doctor, the same is true by being a successful IM. You have to find the right niche.

Next time, don't waste your valuable time watching a webinar of "gurus" bragging about the money they make and instead use your time more wisely reading and watching how to videos. Invest your money in what you feel is a good investment on how to become a successful IM. However, if you search the internet, you can find all kinds of articles on IM. You have to work your way to the top. Good luck to you and I hope you find peace with this.

Maybe if you'd looked around a little more before posting, you would've found this generous thread...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/175144-today-my-moms-birthday-im-giving-away-3-warrior-need.html

Yeah! What BIG Mike said!

Being on both the giving and receiving ends of the WF genrosity, I couldn't agree more.

All the best,
Michael

This is not the place for this kind of strike-like type tantrum, have you ever heard of billionaires, bank owners, the government etc? Those are the people who you should go to with this kind of tantrums (not that you have the right to do it to them either, actually to the government yes), but at least you will be doing it to someone who really have more than enough money to help Americans in need. In case you do not know, a person with a couple of millions in the bank is as regular person as 99% of people, he or she is just a little more financially secured that's all, but yes I do truly believe that the government should stop banks from collecting monthly mortgage payments, car payments etc at least until the unemployment rate goes down to "normal"..

Guessing you did the Frank Kern webinar?

Heard this last one was like $2k

I get you here, and i do belive people give back ive tried helping people who are in need, and they just carnt grasp that you can make money online hence they go find a job and ignore it, but when i get some time i do plan on helping a few single mums i know make a little extra money online, karma, you give you get ,

Mikey

I think you should be writing this comment to our government instead of the gurus.

That's a big part of the problem, Andy, but there's a lot of individual blame to go around too. The sense of entitlement people have, the government fostering dependence on the government, and people thinking the government should solve all our problems are all a huge part of it.

And then people keep stupidly re-electing the same b*ast*rds that created the mess, that isn't going to solve anything, it will just keep making things worse. I've been saying it for years - politics wasn't meant to be a career. We should throw the bums out enthusiastically and often.

I suppose the next thing is that when you're on your death bed, you look up the doctors who have the most experience, saved the most lives, made headlines, won awards...and demand that they give you a heart bypass for free.

Self entitlement mentality gets you nowhere. Nobody owes you anything. Stop signing up for information from people, find a job.

Why would anyone spend hours upon hours doing all that for free? Do you actually go out in the streets and bring warm food to homeless people? if not, why would a successful marketer do the same for you?

I swear that some people have truly lost touch with reality...