Put your money where your mouth is...

by sporty
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I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

Prove your humanity...not your income.
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  • Profile picture of the author kemdev
    You're right. We should all give away all the secrets,
    systems, and strategies we've worked on for years
    perfecting for absolutely free.

    We should hand everything over on a silver platter,
    even though we've had to bust our asses to make
    ourselves a success.

    We should do all the work for people who don't want
    to do any actual work themselves.

    We should never, ever try to sell anything to anyone
    that would help them if only they used it.

    I don't know what we were thinking...
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    • Profile picture of the author seanyd
      Originally Posted by Jesse Kemmerer View Post

      You're right. We should all give away all the secrets,
      systems, and strategies we've worked on for years
      perfecting for absolutely free.

      We should hand everything over on a silver platter,
      even though we've had to bust our asses to make
      ourselves a success.

      We should do all the work for people who don't want
      to do any actual work themselves.

      We should never, ever try to sell anything to anyone
      that would help them if only they used it.

      I don't know what we were thinking...


      Actually some very generous marketers in the war room are doing this , its amazing , like Todd Lamb , can`t believe what he gave away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Henderson
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    Isn't Uncle Sam doing this already, paying for your car payment, your mortgage, your big screen tv?
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    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.


    Mmmm did you wake up a bit aggressive today mate?
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Why does it have to be an American...
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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        Why does it have to be an American...
        Because only Americans care about others. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Hm.

      You do realize that if these "guru's" aren't lying, they have worked THEIR asses off to get where they are.

      They had a burning desire to change their lives.

      Do the people going to the food line have a burning desire to change their lives?

      You know, anyone, ANYONE can rise above poverty and make it big here in the U.S.

      It takes desire, drive and determination, chasing the goal until they achieve it.

      What the human mind can dream, it can achieve.

      So why should those who have made it, worked for it, given their all for it, hand it out for for free?

      I also must say...

      That people don't value what they don't invest in.

      I have tried to teach, for free, several of my friends. And not a single one has done anything with it.

      Not. A. Single. One.

      I have wasted hours trying to make it work for them.

      For nothing.

      I have asked them why they don't...and they say things like "Oh, I just didn't have the time..." Or "well, I think I found a new job, so..."

      They don't desire it. They don't want it. They aren't willing to TRULY invest in it.

      So, I now refuse to teach anyone for free. If people want private tutoring, they must do something, whether that be paying, or working for me, they have to EARN IT, just like I did.

      Rob

      I agree 100% with Rob, several of my friends (real friends you know) have come to me because they are struggling financially right now -- they wanna know what I am doing. I set it up for them on a silver platter... And... Drumroll... They do nothing at all with it.

      I hate it. I wish you could put "it" into somebody, but you cant.

      So, to the OP... It would be a two sided contract. If I were willing to give away what I spent 10 years and probably 50k learning - How can that person guarantee to me that they wont waste my time? I think if more people would actually do the work, then more people would teach pro bono to help out... Its frustrating to spend a bunch of time giving away info that you personally know is worth MILLIONS of dollars of income if applied -- only to see the person completely blow you off.

      Thats personally why I dont teach IM -- I dont want to promise you something that wont happen... You probably wont work as hard as me. Therefore you probably wont make it. Unfortunately, thats the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author kyhell
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Hm.

      You do realize that if these "guru's" aren't lying, they have worked THEIR asses off to get where they are.

      They had a burning desire to change their lives.

      Do the people going to the food line have a burning desire to change their lives?


      Rob
      not really interested in the topic so much but was just curious why exactly did you chose to bold this statement twice? wondering if it was for marketing reasons or make a point or both? just wondering
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  • Profile picture of the author esr
    Your frustration is understandable, I suppose, but to expect others to stop bettering their own lives to better yours is just a bit over the top, don't ya think?

    The best thing about the web is, we all have the same chance. These guru's who you were listening to were, no doubt, in your position at one time. I don't mean financially, I mean the amount of knowledge about internet marketing they had.

    We all started out and it's up to the individual how bad they want it and what they're willing to do to get it.

    A tip: If you don't have the money to purchase a marketing course, you can find everything you need for free on Google to get started. You just have to be willing to put in the time and the effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    I suppose I am going to give all my secrets away for free....

    and when it comes time to pay mortgage, I will just go to the bank and tell them I will not be making a mortgage payment today because I think they should just give me money for free....

    next I am going to a dealership and tell them I want a new car but don't want to pay for it because I have been working for free and therefore I should get a free car....

    next I am going grocery shopping... but I won't pay and just tell them I want all this stuff for free because I don't get paid for my work...

    that's a nice idea but we have yet to live in a communistic society
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    • Profile picture of the author condra
      Apparently it wont make me more popular to say this but I completely sympathize with Sportys position.

      The world of IM is packed full of cynical wolves in sheeps clothing, and it can be quite frustrating choosing who to trust, especially when you're starting out.

      I've also subscribed to mailshots which start friendly and helpful, but quickly turn into annoying hard sells.

      To be frank, I'm not a huge fan of people who try to make money from newbie marketers. But then again, there are other people in IM making money from much more ethically questionable means, and part of the process of getting into MMO for me was spending some time choosing niches where I could earn money, but keep a clear conscience.

      Sporty, stick with it mate. In time you will build up a network of genuinely helpful friends and mentors and genuinely useful, worthwhile websites and services. As you weed out the scumbags, you will be left with some diamonds, and believe me, there are some real diamonds here on Warrior forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by condra View Post

        To be frank, I'm not a huge fan of people who try to make money from newbie marketers. But then again, there are other people in IM making money from much more ethically questionable means, and part of the process of getting into MMO for me was spending some time choosing niches where I could earn money, but keep a clear conscience.
        That is such a hypocritical sentence... Your not a fan of a guru selling a product which solves a problem but your sell a product which solves someone else problem or desire.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monika Mundell
        Originally Posted by condra View Post

        Apparently it wont make me more popular to say this but I completely sympathize with Sportys position.

        The world of IM is packed full of cynical wolves in sheeps clothing, and it can be quite frustrating choosing who to trust, especially when you're starting out.

        I've also subscribed to mailshots which start friendly and helpful, but quickly turn into annoying hard sells.

        To be frank, I'm not a huge fan of people who try to make money from newbie marketers. But then again, there are other people in IM making money from much more ethically questionable means, and part of the process of getting into MMO for me was spending some time choosing niches where I could earn money, but keep a clear conscience.

        Sporty, stick with it mate. In time you will build up a network of genuinely helpful friends and mentors and genuinely useful, worthwhile websites and services. As you weed out the scumbags, you will be left with some diamonds, and believe me, there are some real diamonds here on Warrior forum.
        Hi condra,

        Have you ever asked yourself WHY these gurus make so much money from newbies?
        The answer is simple: the secret to their success is called GREED!

        Most people are slack, greedy and rather blame others for being successful than doing their bit to reach success themselves. They waste their life away with gossip, crappy TV shows, complaining and what not instead of taking ACTION.

        Gurus know this and they simply use clever marketing tactics to cash in on that greed.

        Monika
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        • Profile picture of the author condra
          Monika I agree with your point for the most part. There are a lot of people out there making money by exploiting other peoples combined greed/laziness/apathy, but I'm sure they are also taking a fair chunk from people who are prepared to put in the work too. I can only describe this as cynical, at least with those offering low value turkey products.

          Butters, I don't think my comment was hypocritical at all. Not all products were created equal. Not all niches were created equal. Not all promotional methods were created equal.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by condra View Post

        The world of IM is packed full of cynical wolves in sheeps clothing, and it can be quite frustrating choosing who to trust, especially when you're starting out.
        What's that got to do with the OP? He wasn't talking about cynical wolves in sheeps clothing. He was talking about wanting a "freebie"
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    I am sick to death of ...

    Why would you spend 75 minutes of your life on something you found so repulsive?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      Why would you spend 75 minutes of your life on something you found so repulsive?
      Very good point.

      If most people stopped wasting time chasing the next great thing on every webinar around, maybe more would be accomplished.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kris Turner
    When you buy something that's expensive, you want some kind of proof that what you're buying works or has some authority. With "gurus" and IM products, that means talking about how much money's been made.

    If they didn't, there would be just as many complaints but for the opposite reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by Alex Taylor View Post

      that means talking about how much money's been made.
      Some IM products talk about that, not all .
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  • Profile picture of the author Monika Mundell
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    Hey sporty,

    I realize you are angry, but this is no reason to rant at the gurus in general because your life sucks. It isn't their fault you are having a hard time and if you were to take all advertising/marketing the wrong way, you would have to write to all the newspaper advertisers, the TV advertiser, the politicians and what not to complain to them too.

    Fact is, these guys (whether you like it or not) have worked hard to build their online businesses. You can do this too and there is absolutely no need to buy ANYTHING!

    In fact, ALL the info you ever need to build a great income streams can be found online - especially here on the WF.

    Blaming others for your lack of success is simply shifting the responsibility to others.

    The problem seems to me that you are pulled this way and that with all the offers that flood your inbox and that makes you angry. Focus your energies on the one "system" "method" and build the heck out of it without parting with your money.

    Once you earn your first dollars you can invest them into business tools.

    All the best
    Monika
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    • Profile picture of the author sannyboy
      Originally Posted by Monika Mundell View Post

      Hey sporty,

      I realize you are angry, but this is no reason to rant at the gurus in general because your life sucks. It isn't their fault you are having a hard time and if you were to take all advertising/marketing the wrong way, you would have to write to all the newspaper advertisers, the TV advertiser, the politicians and what not to complain to them too.

      Fact is, these guys (whether you like it or not) have worked hard to build their online businesses. You can do this too and there is absolutely no need to buy ANYTHING!

      In fact, ALL the info you ever need to build a great income streams can be found online - especially here on the WF.

      Blaming others for your lack of success is simply shifting the responsibility to others.

      The problem seems to me that you are pulled this way and that with all the offers that flood your inbox and that makes you angry. Focus your energies on the one "system" "method" and build the heck out of it without parting with your money.

      Once you earn your first dollars you can invest them into business tools.

      All the best
      Monika
      Monika, I have read the thread and tried to put it more eloquently than your reply, but couldn't conjure the words. My business is built on Google searches and a couple of $7 ebooks. If someone can't scrape that together then the US economy is worse off than the British media report.

      Everything is available on line. For free.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    If it's any comfort, the gurus were probably lying.
    Woke my wife up laughing. The really funny part "If it's any comfort." LOL. Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      Sporty,
      When you get up in the morning there are two sides of the bed you can get out of. Today, you obviously got out on the side that said "Whiny little Bitch". Take a chill pill, relax for the day then get a good nights rest tonight.
      Tomorrow, try getting out of the side of the bed that says, "today I am going to think like an entrepreneur", then go about your day doing just that.
      Come back tomorrow night and tell us how your day was.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Blair
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    seriously?
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    WOW this is classic. Anyone have a TOP 10 for Warrior battles post?
    Though this was more of an assassination LOL
    sporty speaking of the two side of the bed. advice from ozduc understand something.

    Not only do you not have to listen to anyone you don't want to listen to you also have to realize everyone is not a crook.

    In fact I am sure everyone could agree that actual crooks make it rough on the honest people here and everywhere else.

    I think everyone else brought up the flip side to that superbly but hey if you have a issue with it SOLVE the PROBLEM

    Step up and help those very people. And if you didn't know how the smarter route would have been to "Ask".
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    • Profile picture of the author sporty
      Hi,

      Some interesting comments from everyone.

      Sorry about the edge on my post yesterday. That webinar just sort of pushed my buttons. I've heard dozens just like it over the years.

      Anyway, sorry I singled out Americans. Of course, anyone anywhere who needs help would do!

      You guys assume I am a failure at IM. Not so. I've had moderate success but not enough yet to be able to go full time...but I am getting there. I'm just tired of all the bragging in my inbox and online and then I see how the current economy burdens so many people. I'm not asking for this for myself. God knows I've spent a fortune on IM products...and still do.

      I know what you mean about people just don't get it and you can't make someone do something they don't want to do. You can lead a person to an IM business that works but you can't make them do it. I've had experience like that, too. Of course, you have to find the right person to help out.

      I am not suggesting that you give away EVERYTHING you have worked hard to learn to EVERYONE. I am suggesting you find some deserving person with the right interest, skills and level of desperation to make it work. Take on someone like that and give back some. It doesn't have to be everything you know given free to the whole world. That's not what I meant.

      Help the right person/family about to lose everything...and give back by giving them a helping hand, not necessarily a hand out. But if it takes giving them something you spent a little time or money getting started...then do it. That's what I mean about proving your humanity and not your income.

      And, Ken, thanks for your comment that the gurus are probably lying. Made me laugh because I know it's true!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
        Originally Posted by sporty View Post

        I am not suggesting that you give away EVERYTHING you have worked hard to learn to EVERYONE. I am suggesting you find some deserving person with the right interest, skills and level of desperation to make it work. Take on someone like that and give back some. It doesn't have to be everything you know given free to the whole world. That's not what I meant.

        Help the right person/family about to lose everything...and give back by giving them a helping hand, not necessarily a hand out. But if it takes giving them something you spent a little time or money getting started...then do it. That's what I mean about proving your humanity and not your income.
        Most 'gurus' I know do exactly that. Why would you assume otherwise? The purpose of a webinar is to sell. Outside of a sales/marketing environment, if you took the time to learn about what the wealthy gurus do to help others by giving, I think you'd have a completely different point of view.
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        • Profile picture of the author sporty
          Gene,

          Really? Do you know one who would let me do a case study? That would be great. It might inspire others to do the same thing. Can't say as I've ever seen one talking about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            Gene,

            Really? Do you know one who would let me do a case study? That would be great. It might inspire others to do the same thing. Can't say as I've ever seen one talking about it.
            Whenever someone is outwardly financially successful, they are approached (often hounded) by hundreds of individuals in 'need'. It's near impossible to offer help to everyone. If they 'talked about' offering mentorship for free, they would be faced with thousands of requests. The reality is, they may chose to mentor a small handful of people they feel are going to contribute to their own success as well.
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            • Profile picture of the author sporty
              Gene.

              Doing good doesn't have to be publicized to the whole world. I really doubt very many successful IM'ers really do what you say. Sorry. I guess I'm jaded in that area.
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              • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
                Originally Posted by sporty View Post

                Gene.

                Doing good doesn't have to be publicized to the whole world. I really doubt very many successful IM'ers really do what you say. Sorry. I guess I'm jaded in that area.
                in any walk of life / business not just IM there would be a silent army walking around helping those who are a little down, in most cases these people operate like ships in the night avoiding attention or focus.
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        • Profile picture of the author sporty
          Hi,

          I have unsubscribed from the pests whose emails never have any value except a sell job. But you know how us IM'ers are...always looking for that little nugget, that one method that will be the key...so I end up being drawn in to subscribe to more. Can't seem to help myself...

          sbucciarel, I already said I don't need the help for myself. I think a 'successful person' (guru, in this case) who sells me something owes me the truth...but that is probably naive of me.

          Karl, in fact, I am helping someone learn. I wish I could do more. Believe me, it's a very rewarding experience. Will let you know how it comes out...but I promise not to hold a webinar about it!

          I'm just trying to have a civil discussion here, not be personally attacked!
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            Hi,

            I have unsubscribed from the pests whose emails never have any value except a sell job. But you know how us IM'ers are...always looking for that little nugget, that one method that will be the key...so I end up being drawn in to subscribe to more. Can't seem to help myself...

            sbucciarel, I already said I don't need the help for myself. I think a 'successful person' (guru, in this case) who sells me something owes me the truth...but that is probably naive of me.

            Karl, in fact, I am helping someone learn. I wish I could do more. Believe me, it's a very rewarding experience. Will let you know how it comes out...but I promise not to hold a webinar about it!

            I'm just trying to have a civil discussion here, not be personally attacked!
            That may have been your intent, but please understand that you were, in effect, the one doing the attacking.

            See, when you go to a forum like the WF that has some of the friendliest and most generous people in IM, and then proceed to tell them to give back and that they aren't doing good by their fellow man, then your position is going to get attacked.

            Every time.

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            • Profile picture of the author sporty
              Michael,

              I guess i haven't seen that side of Warriors. In the past it seemed that anyone who made waves here got 'flamed' pretty fast or deleted. That is actually the reason I have never participated here very much.

              I was ticked off after that webinar last night. (Same old, same old crap that didn't live up to the hype leading up to it.) I probably should have waited a day or two before posting here. My opinion would probably have been less harsh. Sorry for that.

              I really was hoping this wouldn't turn into a slam session, though.
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                Originally Posted by sporty View Post

                Michael,

                I guess i haven't seen that side of Warriors. In the past it seemed that anyone who made waves here got 'flamed' pretty fast or deleted. That is actually the reason I have never participated here very much.

                I was ticked off after that webinar last night. (Same old, same old crap that didn't live up to the hype leading up to it.) I probably should have waited a day or two before posting here. My opinion would probably have been less harsh. Sorry for that.

                I really was hoping this wouldn't turn into a slam session, though.
                To be clear, I have nothing against you. I'm not slamming you personally. But I AM "slamming" the position.

                If you haven't participated all that much, then you really can't say much about any side of Warriors, good or bad.

                In fact, if you would take some time to look for posts that show the generosity of Warriiors, I can guarantee it wouldn't take long at all. And that's my challenge to you. Take some time to find posts that go against your current view of Warriors and see for yourself just how generous we are.

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            • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
              Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post


              See, when you go to a forum like the WF that has some of the friendliest and most generous people in IM, and then proceed to tell them to give back and that they aren't doing good by their fellow man, then your position is going to get attacked.

              Every time.
              Yep, this is why you got the reaction that you did. This forum is full of folks that are here day in and day out, dishing out free advice and helping almost anyone who asks. And what you see on the public face of this forum is just half of it -- even as I write this there are a flurry of PMs going out where folks are helping out other folks. For free.

              Also, you'll see Warriors band together to help out fellow Warriors in trouble. You'll see them band together to help raise money after tragedies.

              As Michael said, Warriors are extremely generous -- with both their time and their money. So I guess folks in this thread just took it a bit personal.


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              Anyway, Sporty, it looks like water under the bridge. I see you've been here for quite some time but participated very little. I hope you'll join in a bit more.

              Cheers,
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              • Profile picture of the author Sheila Atwood
                Most of the "IM Gurus" I follow do give out plenty for free. They write fabulous blog posts, give me great info in their emails and their webinars teach me something. They have also over delivered on anything I purchased.

                Find the IMer that fits your needs and put what they teach into action.
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                • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
                  I came here wondering whatever became of Keith Wellman's Automated Sales Machine after hearing him talk about his new Venture "Gateway to Wealth" in Chicago, IL on 4/17 and 4/18 Meet "Everyday" People Just Like You Making Full Time Incomes Online. GateWay to Wealth

                  After being banned more than a couple of times, it's not surprising to hear him state his latest discovery about truly successful people. Sad to say, if you're reading this, YOU are NOT truly successful (neither am I) because they do NOT participate in forums. No, No, No, those are for L-O-S-E-R-S!!!

                  LOL--he's hilarious as he mumbles through his Video with name-brand partners in cahoots so it must not be too bad, I guess.

                  You should check into the story of Keith Wellman (yes, a "guru" now)
                  Now, you expect IMers to tell you what they're doing just so you can F it up for them?

                  Why would they do that.

                  I will tell everyone my secret - Find something that is working and put your own twist on it.

                  Then.. DON'T TELL ANYONE!
                  Simply put: There are NO Secrets. Not the kind anyone is going to tell. Now think about it for a minute. WHY do people keep secrets? They don't want to get CAUGHT...doing what? Making too much money? NO, that's not it. Cheating. They find loopholes and hide them from everyone who puts trust in their teaching methods and all the people who believe WYSIWYG.

                  There are some skeptics who don't believe it, they "know" something's wrong, but they don't know what to look for and don't recognize anything out of the ordinary. So they growl and grumble angrily because they cannot get anyone to understand what they just "know" but cannot put in black and white!! Just 1 Example: Free Text Host - The Anonymous Text Hosting Service

                  They cannot tell anyone the SECRETS, sometimes not even their closest partners for fear of looking bad, getting "flamed" or being put up on display to set an example for everyone to see. They have nightmares and walk around in paranoia - oh, yes, the names would shock you.

                  Here's the real kicker... nobody really wants to talk about or even acknowledge "those" secrets...not the REAL secrets that yes, make boatloads of money for the select few who KNOW them but won't (can't) tell for fear of the obvious.

                  No, they want some pretty sweet-smelling secret to making lots of money using fast, legitimate, ethical methods. Those don't exist except in fairy tales. Ever wonder WHY only a few seem to make it to "the top"??

                  There are only 3 ways:


                  1) REAL Value, practice & teach the TRUTH, Large Market helps.

                  2) Real Good Actor using perception for your "look-a-alike" cleverly disguised attempts at REAL Value for "any" market - doesn't matter. All Checkbooks are treated equal.

                  3) Find a loop-hole and keep it secret. Live in fear forever. Or, quit and hope your conscience would just die already.

                  WANT-Power
                  is first and foremost what makes people go. Let Will Smith take it away. You will be utterly amazed.

                  If you want every package, program, course, ebook, etc...ever launched by any so-called 'guru" they are ALL available for $10 bucks so quit wasting your money!! (It's on the Will Smith page, I think)

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                  • Profile picture of the author Alminc
                    Giving away the 'secrets' of a successful online business to a newbie
                    is meaningless because a newbie wouldn't understand it anyway.
                    The processes behind a successful online business are complex
                    and often involve several experts in different areas for it's operations.

                    Just learning how to generate usable traffic using only one single method
                    takes years of practice. Same applies to any other vital aspect such as
                    copy writing, product research and creation, list building, email marketing,
                    advertising, JV relationship building, etc.

                    And when you own such expert skills and knowledge you will off course
                    not sell it cheap. Those who sell so called 'secrets' sell just another product
                    targeted towards 'secrets seekers' . If their analysis show that there
                    are enough 'X secret seekers', they will develop a whole line of products
                    around 'X secrets', sell a few thousand copies, profit and move on.

                    Online 'secrets' and 'formulas' are not what they want you to believe they
                    are, they are simply products, just like shoes, cars or anything else you
                    can buy for money. Well researched products targeted towards your
                    secrets seeker mentality.

                    Would you buy an ebook titled ' The Organic Chemistry Secrets'
                    by someone like The Rich Jerk or Ewen Chia, for $27, that would
                    teach you 'how to quickly and easily create new drugs and become
                    rich and famous overnight, GUARANTEED' ? Probably not, because
                    you know it's nonsense. Why do you believe then that there are
                    such 'quick and easy' secrets when it comes to creating a
                    profitable online business?


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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            sbucciarel, I already said I don't need the help for myself. I think a 'successful person' (guru, in this case) who sells me something owes me the truth...but that is probably naive of me.
            but that is probably naive of me
            Yes, it is naive of you. In a forum where at any point in the day you can go to the WSO forum and see fake screenshots, false claims of income potential, fake testimonials, etc, you still believe the hype? It is your responsibility to do due diligence because the fact is, many marketers aren't in the least bit honest.

            I've seen plenty of people give their time for free. That being said, you could literally destroy your own business and your life by giving your time away for free. You see, free doesn't pay the bills and there is literally no end to people on this forum and elsewhere who would take all the free time you would give them and who, for some reason, seem to think that it is their due.
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          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            Karl, in fact, I am helping someone learn. I wish I could do more. Believe me, it's a very rewarding experience. Will let you know how it comes out...but I promise not to hold a webinar about it!
            Great, I'm glad to hear it.

            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            I'm just trying to have a civil discussion here, not be personally attacked!
            Strong disagreement, a question and a challenge do not equate to being attacked. That is, unless you're not referring to my posts.

            There may be times where I'm a little curt with my responses, but, I'll never attack someone - even if they are innately stupid, which, I don't think you are (for the record).

            Kindest regards,
            Karl.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jody_W
            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            Hi,

            I have unsubscribed from the pests whose emails never have any value except a sell job. But you know how us IM'ers are...always looking for that little nugget, that one method that will be the key...so I end up being drawn in to subscribe to more. Can't seem to help myself...
            LOL, apparently those "pests" and their emails (and squeeze pages) have some value since they initially persuaded you to opt in. Those kind of emails are a swipe file goldmine, but you need to have an attitude adjustment to appreciate them. Whether you buy their products or not you're being given a priceless marketing lesson for free, but you're too negative and angry to see the value.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monika Mundell
        Originally Posted by sporty View Post

        Hi,

        I am not suggesting that you give away EVERYTHING you have worked hard to learn to EVERYONE. I am suggesting you find some deserving person with the right interest, skills and level of desperation to make it work. Take on someone like that and give back some. It doesn't have to be everything you know given free to the whole world. That's not what I meant.

        Help the right person/family about to lose everything...and give back by giving them a helping hand, not necessarily a hand out. But if it takes giving them something you spent a little time or money getting started...then do it. That's what I mean about proving your humanity and not your income.
        Hey sporty,

        It's good to hear you see both sides of the argument. I guess you were really ticked off when you made your post. What beats me is how you assume some Internet marketers don't do as you suggest already?

        It would be easy to believe in the evil of people because some people really are and quite a few of them lurk here in the forum no doubt.

        But to put all successful people into that "evil, out to get your money" pot is definitely not fair and not right either.

        I think you might be surprised how many successful people do something great for others. It would be easy to become cynical when you have nothing (not you personally), but to state all gurus suck is wrong.

        Monika
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    No offense Shorty but your so wrong. Why would they give it away for free. Life is tough, but you keep going. Your in a bad state it sounds, but it sounds like your trying to blame everyone else for your troubles...and now you want the gurus to help you for free..come on...grow up and take control...start making some websites and make some money its not that hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author sporty
      Hi, Ernie.

      On the contrary. I don't want any guru helping me. I can help myself.

      You miss the point. It's okay. I'm just putting something out there for those who have ears to hear.
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      • Profile picture of the author heidi33
        guess this is a cooler version of "where your heart is" I like it though.

        regarding gurus, I like them I learn a lot for them but I dont just swallow what they give... I have my own brain

        thanks a lot.
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        • Profile picture of the author sporty
          heidi33,

          In spite of my post, I like the gurus, too, as I've learned a lot from them as well. I don't believe everything they say like I once did, though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Last time I checked I had ears

        I now get what your original post meant but unfortunately what you are asking is stuff that usually happens in dreams or heaven...not on our planet.




        Originally Posted by sporty View Post

        Hi, Ernie.

        On the contrary. I don't want any guru helping me. I can help myself.

        You miss the point. It's okay. I'm just putting something out there for those who have ears to hear.
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        • Profile picture of the author sporty
          Ernie,

          Well, hey, let's make it happen on our planet at least once! It will make the world a better place ... for all of us!

          PS. Oh, yeah, I see your ear in your picture!
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          • Profile picture of the author scrofford
            Originally Posted by sporty View Post

            Ernie,

            Well, hey, let's make it happen on our planet at least once! It will make the world a better place ... for all of us!

            PS. Oh, yeah, I see your ear in your picture!
            GO JOIN GREENPEACE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!
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      • Profile picture of the author acrasial
        Originally Posted by sporty View Post

        Hi, Ernie.

        On the contrary. I don't want any guru helping me. I can help myself.

        You miss the point. It's okay. I'm just putting something out there for those who have ears to hear.

        Everyone listens. Some just don't want to agree or understand it, that's fine.

        But you also could never EVER help yourself, without allowing others to teach you and help you first. That's how we come to know what we know...by observing others, watching them, learning from them etc etc etc...


        So while you say you do not want them helping you, they are in essence still helping you, because whether you take their advice or not, you still make an action based on what your encounter was with them.


        Also, it's internet marketing. That's what they are showing...how much they are making, because literally NO ONE would sit there marketing online if they truly didn't want to make a penny. So that's what these people show...the money made.


        That encourages some. I would also have to think that if you are seeing such emails, that you are subscribed in one way or another, and purposefully open those emails as well, even if you are not subscribed.


        You know what you are getting when you open it each and every time. If you want them to prove their humanity, head over to Eben Pagan's stuff. Or Tony Robbin's stuff. They talk about things which go beyond just money making, but rather get into the emotional, mental, physical and other aspects of this whole online world.


        Oh, and P.S...welcome to the forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    I might not be very popular for saying this, but...

    In most cases, a person's situation is made of their own doing.

    I say MOST cases because there are times when something unforeseen such as a medical emergency or a huge lawsuit could financially ruin you and leave you owing tons of money.

    If you've worked pretty hard all your life and you have nothing to show for it, then, I'm afraid to say that's just poor money management. Where has the money gone? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone else who spent it for you.

    I do sympathise with you, but nobody owes you anything - you used the word GURU, (i.e. a successful Internet marketer) in your example, why should they (as successful business owners) be singled out? Why not just say that ALL SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE owe you because you're not as successful as them?

    Oh, and BTW - while Mr & Mrs "hard-up" are on welfare/benefits etc, where do you think the majority of that money is coming from?

    Taxes!

    And who pays those????

    People who earn money...

    Nobody has to prove their humanity, how they CHOOSE to live is their prerogative.

    [edited to add]

    As for being sick of product launch emails... one click solves it all - in fact, you CHOSE to receive those emails in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author nasstil200
      yes the warriors should make the newbe wariors
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    • Profile picture of the author sporty
      Hi, Karl.

      Thanks for your thoughts.

      I'm not looking for help. Said that in my post.

      I think you miss the point. It's okay, though. No problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
        Originally Posted by sporty View Post

        Hi, Karl.

        Thanks for your thoughts.

        I'm not looking for help. Said that in my post.

        I think you miss the point. It's okay, though. No problem.
        I use the illustrative "you" for brevity. And I assure you, the point wasn't missed. In fact, why aren't YOU doing what you suggest in your OP?

        As a matter of fact, I challenge you to join Kiva and send a microloan to someone who is going to take action and use your money to grow their business and feed their family. Many other Warriors and GURUS do just that. They also give to charity, pay their taxes and pursue other philanthropic ventures.

        Kindest regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by sporty View Post

          I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.
          So, why in the world did you keep listening? No offense, but that's just idiocy. It would have taken me no more than two minutes before I bailed.

          How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.
          How about YOU stop assuming that this isn't happening already? I have TRIED to help countless people for F-R-E-E - NO COST - NOTHING! And guess what happened every single time? Yep! Nothing! Once they saw they had to DO something they lost interest.

          I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.
          Then click the unsubscribe button! It isn't rocket science. Or, do you just stay subscribed so you can keep making yourself angry? So you can justify your anger?

          Prove your humanity...not your income.
          I have never bragged about my income. But how about this? You're already making something online, how much are YOU giving to others?

          Originally Posted by condra View Post

          Apparently it wont make me more popular to say this but I completely sympathize with Sportys position.

          The world of IM is packed full of cynical wolves in sheeps clothing, and it can be quite frustrating choosing who to trust, especially when you're starting out.
          The only cynicsim in this thread is found in the original post, surely you can see that.

          To be frank, I'm not a huge fan of people who try to make money from newbie marketers. But then again, there are other people in IM making money from much more ethically questionable means, and part of the process of getting into MMO for me was spending some time choosing niches where I could earn money, but keep a clear conscience.
          So, if somebody is new, then we shouldn't charge them for taking our time, money and resources to help them? Besides, how do you REALLY know how new somebody is?

          Sporty, stick with it mate. In time you will build up a network of genuinely helpful friends and mentors and genuinely useful, worthwhile websites and services. As you weed out the scumbags, you will be left with some diamonds, and believe me, there are some real diamonds here on Warrior forum.
          If sporty is already making money, and not sharing, then by his(?) own defiinition he is part of the problem.

          To sum up, if you really believe what you're spouting, then good luck to you!

          Yes! Let's give everything away to those without money. After all, communism has proven to be the IDEAL time and time again.

          Okay, I got work to do so I can feed MY family.

          All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.

    If you are so "sick to death" of product launches, hit the unsubscribe button. Actually, I don't get those emails because I never subscribed to start with.

    Now why exactly do you think that successful people owe you something? There's been many times that I couldn't afford something and found a way to do what I want to do anyway. If you don't have the inner resources to make yourself successful, no one else will be able to do it for you ... and get this ... no one "owes" you anything, so quit your whining, get off your can and get something done, even if it's learning to do something .... Google it.
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    Absolutely Rinsed !
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey Sporty,

    Your frustration is well understood by lots of people I'm sure.

    I would like to address a couple of points though, although I understand that these probably do not represent your experience.

    1 - There ARE people doing what you say.

    Now, rather than talk about other people or refer to assumptions I can tell you that I personally have done the following for members of this forum:

    1 - Sent money (hundreds of dollars usually)
    2 - Provided equipment (computers mostly)
    3 - Bought tools (software usually)
    4 - Bought War Room memberships
    5 - Provided free coaching
    6 - Done work - at one point I was doing so much to help others for free that I was paying people to do some of it because I didn't have the time.
    7 - Been a friend - sometimes people go through rough patches and just need an understanding friend to talk to.
    8 - Given paid work
    9 - Referred work from other people to them
    10 - Physically picked them up and taken them to seminars they couldn't get to.

    There are more things, but I think you get the idea.

    Now - I realize I'm not a guru and just a normal guy who spends too much time at this forum, but I know others do things too, so I'm saying that while I know others do things you can take my word that I have.

    So your generalization about people not really doing it is just wrong.

    2 - Your point about why people don't give everything for free.

    Well, as I've already stated - some of us have and do.

    But apart from that - it's been my experience that when you do things for people for free, they often (usually) don't value that like they would if they had paid.

    Some people just won't put in the effort even if they do pay thousands of dollars, and even less if they paid little or nothing.

    So - it's not actually in most peoples interests to get it handed to them on a plate.

    3 - Why should they? It's one thing for someone to want to give back and go out of their way to do it - but no-one has the right to demand they do so.

    Now, not being a guru - I can tell you that no matter how much you earn, you're likely to have cashflow problems.

    Personally I am terrible with money - I love to give it away and I love to travel, so between those 2 things I usually don't end up with much no matter what comes in. I've been known to give away too much and have to struggle to pay a bill I forgot about.

    I can tell you now that if I suddenly got an extra $100k tomorrow - I'd have probably spent most of it (read given away) by next month because I just can't help myself. If I have friends or family that need something - I jump in and do what I can.

    I've often had people say to me "oh well, it's ok for you" when they see me giving away money - but sometimes they have more money than I do at that point. My giving has no direct relationship to what I have - I give no matter what I do or don't have. Obviously the more I have, the more I give - but that's the only relationship.

    So, you can probably imagine why I might take exception when I see someone say "no-one" helps others in such a blanket statement.

    If you look for them - there are a lot of good people in IM and in this forum.

    I don't want to make a list because I'll miss someone and get flamed for it, but they're here.

    Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author sporty
      Hey, Andy.

      Wow! Great ideas and response! Thanks for taking the time to write so much.

      Hi, Becky.

      Thanks for your thoughts, too. I appreciate it. Once again, sorry for being so harsh. My original post was a reaction to the webinar, not a well thought-out presentation. I did generalize and I apologize for that. It is water over the dam now.

      Thanks to everyone for taking the time to respond!
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      • Profile picture of the author zapseo
        You want an example of a guru has done something?

        You should check into the story of Keith Wellman (yes, a "guru" now) -- who has benefitted tremendously from the help of one Mike Filsaime.

        Will that be good enough for your case study?

        Check out the story of how he got started.

        I'm guessing it must be online somewhere.

        Willie Crawford used to run free teleseminars, call-in days -- I think it was once a month on Saturday. I used to wonder why more people didn't attend. Then Willie found podcasting .

        Peak around. There are STILL free resources being offered.

        I ran a chat (successor to the late great Warrior chat, started by Eric Louviere) for about a year that was free. Successful Warriors would drop by and talk, and give away great information. All for free. John Ritskowitz and Jason DeVelvis and an 18 year old CPA wizard were frequent attendees.

        Heck...what about the Warrior Forum?

        I see people regularly give great advice -- for free!

        Sure, you might want to join the War Room to get "extra" benefits -- but nevertheless, you can still get tons of great content for free.

        Live JoyFully!

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post



      Personally I am terrible with money - I love to give it away and I love to travel, so between those 2 things I usually don't end up with much no matter what comes in. I've been known to give away too much and have to struggle to pay a bill I forgot about.

      I can tell you now that if I suddenly got an extra $100k tomorrow - I'd have probably spent most of it (read given away) by next month because I just can't help myself. If I have friends or family that need something - I jump in and do what I can.

      Andy
      Andy, what on Earth makes you think that's a terrible thing? What is money if it's not for sharing?

      We all talk abut the nice houses, cars and toys...but what we are all really striving for, whether we realize it consciously or not, is acceptance, respect and joy (among other obvious things).

      Giving, and changing people's lives in some way, is much better than recieving. Unless you're a 6 year old at Christmas/birthdays.

      What is the joy in sitting in a room with the latest laptop, phone, 3d tv, passive income stream, car outside, spare rooms...

      ...if there's no one to show and share them with? You understand that, as do all good people.
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    the secret to making it in IM is learn, implement. at times fail, persistence and most importantly, perseverance and you'll get there. Frankly speaking prepare to work.

    Your whining spirit wont get you there .. trust me.

    IM is not for the faint hearted or the whiner
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    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
      Originally Posted by grandstar View Post

      the secret to making it in IM is learn, implement. at times fail, persistence and most importantly, perseverance and you'll get there. Frankly speaking prepare to work.

      Your whining spirit wont get you there .. trust me.

      IM is not for the faint hearted or the whiner
      Gifts are rarely showered on the ungrateful.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    If a "guru" or a big marketer brags about how much money they make:

    I CANNOT BE LESS IMPRESSED!

    The reason is that those people use The income figures from their PRODUCT SALES - and this does not mean that using the product itself is actually creating the income.

    The funny thing is, many are so naive and believe exactly that!

    Again: The big names are making most money selling their products and methods - and their income and screen shots are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST proof that the method itself works - its simply proof that he sold many of the products.

    Naturally, this confusion is intended but if you are smart you know that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I hear that George, but I think that a big reason why people feel the need to do it is that it's what many beginners want to see.

    The same reason you see it all over the wso section.

    I'd like to think that they're also hoping to inspire a few people who just need to know it's possible.

    But like you, it turns me off when they go on about it because it has nothing to do with the product usually.
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  • Profile picture of the author KaseyJones
    they just do that to hype things up and people want to be like them so they buy their products, if you don't want to hear people talk about how wonderful they are, don't support them by going to their webinars
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      Hi Sporty,
      It sounds like you got out of the other side of the bed today, good for you.
      To answer one of your points about warriors not helping people I would like to draw your attention to This Thread, where a man on this forum with very little in the way of finances decided to give $3 to someone to help them get started. Now $3 may not seem like much but I encourage you to sit and read the 4 or so pages of posts that followed to see what warriors have been doing while you have been absent.


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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
    Sporty -
    Please don't allow certain people in our government to trick you into believing that people who "have" must share with the "have-nots". Spreading the wealth is not Capitalism. It is actually called Socialism with Communistic undertones. Sporty, people have a right to earn a profit in a Capitalistic society. You also have a right to refuse to buy the product.

    This next Monday morning Americans may wake up in a brand new world where, we the people, will be forced to purchase a product called Insurance - if we don't, we'll be Taxed or fined heavily. This is not Capitalism and it's certainly not Constitutional. A governement should never have the legal right to force their citizens to purchase a product.

    Sporty, I hope you give some of this some thought and decide to work hard, create relationships with marketers and realize that Rome was not built in a day. It may take time and a lot of effort - but in the end you can say "I did it and I did it without a hand-out."

    Good Luck my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    Um internet MARKETING is exactly what it is...marketing products and services for sale. I am sick to death of all the whiners coming on here and trying to get people to just give their knowledge away for nothing and think that they are owed something!

    Why don't you learn how to market products and services? You are looking for a shortcut and a freebie. Learning this stuff takes hard work, and why in the world should anyone just give away their knowledge for free when they have families to feed and their own lives to take care of?

    What makes you so special that someone should "set you up" with a website and marketing system for nothing? Time to wake up and smell the coffee and quit coming on here and pissing and moaning about what others should do and start learning something yourself!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Hey Sporty,

    I'll give you another example. I wasnt going to bring it up, but AndyHenry inspired me to...

    I was on here late, late at night on Christmas nite last year(needed an escape from 15 hours straight of turkey and presents)...

    Anyways, there was a warrior on here who posts quite a bit(1000's of posts) and seemed like an intelligent fellow. But he posted that he was in dire straights due to some bad luck and indeed was going to be without a place to sleep that night. I was moved by it and really just felt like it sucked that someone was in that condition on Christmas. So I sent him a PM and offered him a writing job that i was about to send to one of my other writers.

    It was an easy ebook that was already outlined -- all i wanted him to do was put "meat on the bones" and i told him i would be flexible with him on deadlines considering his situation... So I offered for him to do it for $1000 and I would pay him $500 right there up front on the spot so he could get a room for the night. He agreed. I sent him $500 on paypal that nite. He never wrote the book. I didnt push him. He sent me a couple emails 3 weeks later with excuses. But it doesnt matter.

    THe bottom line is that this illustrates both sides of what has been discussed in this thread. I knew there was a chance i was just giving this TOTAL STRANGER $500 and would never see anything from it other than knowing I helped the dude out... And it turned out that way. Great. I did a good deed.

    But the bigger issue is this. If this guy had done a good job for me, he would have gotten 50-60 similar projects from me THIS YEAR. He would have been able to make probably $75k+ freelancing just for me. I let him know this too when I sent him the outline for the project.

    So, this guy had a real chance to make a connection with someone who could have changed his life. But he didnt.

    Looking at it from his perspective, I'm sure he has 20 great reasons why he blew it on that deal... and maybe they are valid.

    Looking at it from my perspective, I helped him as much as he wanted - but was willing to help him much more.

    This sort of thing happens all the time. Unfortunately, its just like i said in my previous post -- you can't put "it" into somebody for them ...no matter how bad you want to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Kevin_Hutto View Post


      But the bigger issue is this. If this guy had done a good job for me, he would have gotten 50-60 similar projects from me THIS YEAR.

      This sort of thing happens all the time. Unfortunately, its just like i said in my previous post -- you can't put "it" into somebody for them ...no matter how bad you want to.
      That's spooky - I did almost exactly the same thing - almost to the letter. I think it was around the same time too. I sent him more than he asked for and expected to be sending him regular money and work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        That's spooky - I did almost exactly the same thing - almost to the letter. I think it was around the same time too. I sent him more than he asked for and expected to be sending him regular money and work.
        That is kind of spooky. I hope for his sake and his family that he gets his act together some day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.
    Ever heard of the unsubscribe button?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    All I can say about this forum right now is that I have never seen any amount of free information that is worth more than just being free anywhere else online. A lot of this information makes sense to me because I personally feel like it was the part of the puzzle I was missing from trying to start my own successful online business. I don't think anything here is a basic "get rich quick" scheme. ( Thank goodness!) But I do feel that there are people making money online and I don't expect someone to tell me everything they are doing because I respect a persons right to their own information and protecting their own income. I do however greatly appreciate the help along the way because it's becoming invaluable to me. I don't know everything and probably never will but I am so armed with more information now than I ever had before thanks to this forum and I feel like the things I want to do are not impossible for me and that they can happen. It is up to me to do the legwork though and I already know that while I feel I have a truly rocking product that not everyone else may feel that way and just buy a million dollars worth my first month. That's okay though. I am in it for the longhaul and hoping that once I get my project started and make my first dollar I will be in a great position to scale it up.

    There is a wealth of information on this forum and honestly it seems to me putting it to use would be very effective. People are helping and they are being very generous imo so hopefully Sporty you can find the time to take another look and put that information to good use. Best of luck and if you would like to know about companies that hire people to work for them from home until you can work your project into a full time income please message me and I will send you some sites to check out :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    Hey real talk man, it's all about giving back to the community you serve. Without that all your going to get is reactions like this, ya know?

    It's about helping others achieve success. Know your prospects outcome and then give them the tools to help get them there the fastest. Do that and you will achieve true success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Social Experts
    Dude. I have had great success with IM and I was making like 5k a day at one stage.. Then I told my "friend" what I was doing and how I was doing it and before I knew it everyone was doing it and it got so flooded that I wasn't making money.

    Now, you expect IMers to tell you what they're doing just so you can F it up for them?

    Why would they do that.

    I will tell everyone my secret - Find something that is working and put your own twist on it.

    Then.. DON'T TELL ANYONE!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Sporty, in a way, I see your point. I can even understand why you might think that Warriors (and even gooroos) don't give back. They don't subscribe to the Hollywood model of accompanying every good deed with a full PR campaign.

      If you want some case studies of Warriors giving back, check this thread from late last year...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hing-more.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Susanna Dodd
    Coming from somebody who has not hit the top just yet, I understand the hard work involved in being successful in IM like most of the Warriors on this forum, and not in this forum. Asking them to give freely to you or somebody like you the "secrets to their success" is like asking a lawyer who went through 8 years of school busting their butt to be successful how to be a lawyer. Or a doctor how to be a doctor. I believe that in anything you do in life you have to work hard for. The ones that are successful worked hard and it's not fair for you to feel they should give that to you for free.

    If it's one thing I learned here is that there are no free lunches. Once upon a time I may have thought that, but now I know better. And you shouldn't think that either. Read read read read in this forum, you will find many ways that might suit your needs in becoming a successful IM. Just like there are different areas of being a lawyer or doctor, the same is true by being a successful IM. You have to find the right niche.

    Next time, don't waste your valuable time watching a webinar of "gurus" bragging about the money they make and instead use your time more wisely reading and watching how to videos. Invest your money in what you feel is a good investment on how to become a successful IM. However, if you search the internet, you can find all kinds of articles on IM. You have to work your way to the top. Good luck to you and I hope you find peace with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Maybe if you'd looked around a little more before posting, you would've found this generous thread...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/175144-today-my-moms-birthday-im-giving-away-3-warrior-need.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Yeah! What BIG Mike said!

    Being on both the giving and receiving ends of the WF genrosity, I couldn't agree more.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    This is not the place for this kind of strike-like type tantrum, have you ever heard of billionaires, bank owners, the government etc? Those are the people who you should go to with this kind of tantrums (not that you have the right to do it to them either, actually to the government yes), but at least you will be doing it to someone who really have more than enough money to help Americans in need. In case you do not know, a person with a couple of millions in the bank is as regular person as 99% of people, he or she is just a little more financially secured that's all, but yes I do truly believe that the government should stop banks from collecting monthly mortgage payments, car payments etc at least until the unemployment rate goes down to "normal"..
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

      yes I do truly believe that the government should stop banks from collecting monthly mortgage payments, car payments etc at least until the unemployment rate goes down to "normal"..
      haha - you say that like you think they want the same things as you do.

      The financial crisis is no accident. Those banks should have closed down - but your government is so busy printing money to try and spend their way out of debt that they can't stop now.

      Every new dollar they print devalues the dollar in your pocket - they're stealing your money every day. THAT's what you should be complaining about.

      The more they print - the less it's worth and the more they need to print.

      I'll be surprised if the dollar isn't being wrapped around take away food by the end of the year.

      But then again, there's always a silver lining and the worse the dollar gets - the more value some other things get and if you have those - you end up doing well out of the situation. It's happened in history many times. As soon as your government stopped respecting your amendments and making laws to side-step them and print false money - the fate was sealed and the path your economy is on was started. It has to play out the way it always does before things get put right again.
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  • Profile picture of the author NutrapayAndy
    Guessing you did the Frank Kern webinar?

    Heard this last one was like $2k
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Formby
    Help the right person/family about to lose everything...and give back by giving them a helping hand, not necessarily a hand out. But if it takes giving them something you spent a little time or money getting started...then do it. That's what I mean about proving your humanity and not your income.
    I get you here, and i do belive people give back ive tried helping people who are in need, and they just carnt grasp that you can make money online hence they go find a job and ignore it, but when i get some time i do plan on helping a few single mums i know make a little extra money online, karma, you give you get ,

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  • Profile picture of the author absolute.allen
    Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    I just got off a webinar where 2 'succesfsul information marketers' bragged for a good 75 minutes about how much money they make.

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table--people who have worked hard all their lives who now face the humiliation of going to food banks to feed their families. Find some of those people and set them up with a website that is bringing in some income and teach them how to do more. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.

    I am sick to death of all the 'product launches' that show up in my inbox with page after page of screenshots of how much the gurus are raking in with their latest product.

    Prove your humanity...not your income.
    I think you should be writing this comment to our government instead of the gurus.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    That's a big part of the problem, Andy, but there's a lot of individual blame to go around too. The sense of entitlement people have, the government fostering dependence on the government, and people thinking the government should solve all our problems are all a huge part of it.

    And then people keep stupidly re-electing the same b*ast*rds that created the mess, that isn't going to solve anything, it will just keep making things worse. I've been saying it for years - politics wasn't meant to be a career. We should throw the bums out enthusiastically and often.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      And then people keep stupidly re-electing the same b*ast*rds that created the mess, that isn't going to solve anything, it will just keep making things worse. I've been saying it for years - politics wasn't meant to be a career. We should throw the bums out enthusiastically and often.
      It's like Will Rogers said once - "I'd really love to vote for the most qualified candidate, but the sumbitch refuses to run for the office..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I suppose the next thing is that when you're on your death bed, you look up the doctors who have the most experience, saved the most lives, made headlines, won awards...and demand that they give you a heart bypass for free.

    Self entitlement mentality gets you nowhere. Nobody owes you anything. Stop signing up for information from people, find a job.
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  • Originally Posted by sporty View Post

    How about some of you braggarts put your money where your mouth is and start to help some unemployed Americans who struggle to put food on the table. And remember, they don't have the income to pay for your expensive coaching.
    Why would anyone spend hours upon hours doing all that for free? Do you actually go out in the streets and bring warm food to homeless people? if not, why would a successful marketer do the same for you?

    I swear that some people have truly lost touch with reality...
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