What % of Uniqueness do you Shoot for with Article Spinners?

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I have heard that 50% spun establishes the article as "unique?" That seems pretty arbitrary, wondering if anyone had any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Dennert
    I've only had a little experience with article spinners, but everything I'd heard before said 50% was the minimum to shoot for to make them "unique".

    I suppose the higher you get over that 50% the better... but I tend to stay away from spinning and just write everything myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
      Originally Posted by jaked10 View Post

      I've only had a little experience with article spinners, but everything I'd heard before said 50% was the minimum to shoot for to make them "unique".

      I suppose the higher you get over that 50% the better... but I tend to stay away from spinning and just write everything myself.
      I have never spun any articles before either but have been hearing about it quite a bit.
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      • Profile picture of the author dmpeterson
        I've just started spinning articles I get as plr items. I usually get about 30% without too much work but not much above that until my last article. I was at the 17% mark and decided to add a paragraph of my own. Suddenly it jumped to over 50%, I was really surprised. It really doesn't take much to achieve 50% after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author aandersen
    there is no concrete answer and it depends on what the reason you are spinning for.

    if you are spinning for something like distributing to different article directories or web 2.0 sites then you dont even have to spin them so anything is better than nothing. some will say 30, 40, 50, etc.. its a matter of opinion but id shoot for 40ish

    just keep in mind when you set up a situation where 1 spun content links back to another verion that if the person actually follows that link they will potentially see the same content twice. so in those cases the more spun the better.

    if you are spinning someone else's content to try to make it your own then it will never really be unique because it will likely still read like the original no matter how much you spin. but if you do decide to your going to try i would say as close to 100% as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author YanKirby
    I would have to offer my two cents on this matter as ive used power article rewriter (still have my copy), magic article rewriter (was disappointed with it down the road) and TheBestSpinner (what im currently using).

    It depends on where you use your articles for. If its for article distribution, I would go after 30% minimum especially for UAW and AMA. If you would be using these articles for web 2.0 creation, I would add more uniqueness just to "LURE and BAIT" visitors to my own site.

    If its for EZA, GoArticles and ArticlesBase, then you have to write a whole article in itself if youre careful with your account. This is what I do as I dont want to risk account ban as I have over 300+ articles!

    And need I say more that dupe content was a false alarm?

    Hope this helped.

    -Yan
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I have something shocking to tell you.

      Here's what I want you to do.

      Take 2 articles.

      One of them on acne and the other on breast cancer.

      Put them both into Dupcop and see what uniqueness you get between the
      two.

      You'll be lucky if you get as good as 70% uniqueness.

      Why?

      Because they've yet to perfect the duplicate content checker. The ones
      I've seen, at least, do NOT exclude common words. And since common
      words make up such a big part of what we write, you're never going to
      get a high uniqueness number...even between two articles that have
      nothing to do with each other.

      Go on...try it. You'll see that I'm not crazy.

      This is why I don't even bother with uniqueness checkers.

      If I'm going to write an article, I just write it...period. I don't use spinners
      (most of which are garbage anyway) and I don't try to rewrite PLR
      material.

      But to each his own.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aristocratic
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I have something shocking to tell you.

        Here's what I want you to do.

        Take 2 articles.

        One of them on acne and the other on breast cancer.

        Put them both into Dupcop and see what uniqueness you get between the
        two.

        You'll be lucky if you get as good as 70% uniqueness.

        Why?

        Because they've yet to perfect the duplicate content checker. The ones
        I've seen, at least, do NOT exclude common words. And since common
        words make up such a big part of what we write, you're never going to
        get a high uniqueness number...even between two articles that have
        nothing to do with each other.

        Go on...try it. You'll see that I'm not crazy.

        This is why I don't even bother with uniqueness checkers.

        If I'm going to write an article, I just write it...period. I don't use spinners
        (most of which are garbage anyway) and I don't try to rewrite PLR
        material.

        But to each his own.

        I tried this and got 77% uniqueness between two articles on two totally different subjects. I think this just really goes to say that the 50% may not be such a bad target. I've heard it only takes about 40% myself, but if it's 50, all the better.
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        • Profile picture of the author APeelSolutions
          Simple answer avoid Article Spinners. I find it easy enough to simply re-work existing content. Plus you know it will meet the requirements of the site you are submitting to.

          There is also a lot of evidence that more articles as a strategy may be unwise. It's far better to have fewer highly targeted articles really well written so you get higher relevant click thrus. OK there may be fewer backlinks, however if Google starts to see similar content it will ignore the links anyway.

          A far better strategy to writing more articles is a commenting strategy and join the DoFollow Blog community. Givers gain as they say.
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          • Profile picture of the author ildarius
            I know that with tools like easyarticlespinner.net you can choose uniqueness of your articles, but you can't expect a LOT of unique articles at a high percentage of uniqueness rate.

            For example in my experience if the article has 22 sentences and each sentence is respun 3 times you can expect around 34 articles at 60% uniqueness. Keep in mind that with this particular spinner EVERY sentence needs to be respun 3 times or it won't work. I checked the results with dupecop and it appears that it does work as stipulated on the site. But expect a good 5 minute wait before it produces the articles, according to the site it goes through billions of combinations before giving the final result.
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            • Profile picture of the author sannyboy
              Spinning frenzy here tonight...

              I use TheBestSpinner, and have only used ContentBoss sparingly as a comparison. Basically I rewrite each sentence of my original articles in TBS and then spin individual words according to my time and inclination. According to TBS, this gives a general uniqueness of over 65% every time (at least when I have spun my stuff).

              However, I use SE Nuke to submit my content, and when I double check the uniqueness with their software, I get a vastly lower %age almost every time - generally around 40%, sometimes down in the teens.

              I still submit what I have spun, based rightly or wrongly on TBS's results.

              As mentioned in a previous post, if your content is not in some sort of link wheel, readers will not notice, and if it is true that content duplication cannot be tracked accurately then why not spin your work to be submitted on multiple sites? It is YOUR work after all.

              If you are worried about getting banned from submission sites, I think creating multiple accounts would be your best bet - create 10 articles, then move on to another account. Your stuff will still be there, and no bans for you (unless they track your IP...). The only downside is if you are trying to make a name for yourself in a particular niche. But there are ways round that which are pretty straight forward.

              If the software we use cannot give similar results (as I mentioned above) then why worry about what will or will not be accepted by various sites? If the articles get taken down, resubmit them to a different source.

              Search engine companies know what people are trying to do, so, like me, if you wanna try a short cut, you have to expect the occasional slap on the wrist.

              Spinning takes a lot of the legwork out of writing unique content. If you abuse it, Google and his less able henchmen will find you!

              S
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    Good call, Steve.

    I never knew there was such a thing as a uniqueness checker. If my article is mine, meaning from my own perception, and written in my own way, I know it's unique.

    ..don't need 'no script to tell me otherwise.

    Grant
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    I usually aim for 50 at least but sometimes ever go for 80
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
    Most of you are making the school boy error of just going by % and not understanding how that % is made up!

    For example with the best spinner i get around 50 to 60% unique but then when i add them into senuke they are between 25 and 35% unique! Different tools = different %!

    You could spin an article to 60%+ unique and still only have a 10% difference between 1 article and the other 99 you put out on the net! It all depends how many your putting out and what % you are comparing that one article too.

    In general for the best spinner i shoot for 50% minimum (max ive easily got without writing more sentences or paragraphs was 65%), Then transfer that over to senuke (runs across 16 versions) and it's down to around 30%!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
      Mark I have a fair idea what you are on about. I checked 3 duplicate content checkers and found 65% unique was 55% on another and the other? 90% (I shan't mention the names of the software but they are the popular ones).

      I noticed it all comes down to the algorithm and what the software is actually checking - similarity or difference. 5% similar could mean 95% unique and so on. Remember that keywords and other such topic related jatgon accounts for some percentage uniqueness too. This means a 100% uniqueness is really a brand new article!

      The percentage is simply a guide.

      Go figure.

      Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Ssshhhh...Don't tell anyone, but if you go read this thread, you'll know everything you need to know.

    Keep in mind James TheRichJerksNet and Allen Graves are EXPERTS. They both own article directories, they both live and breathe this stuff, they both test to the extreme.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

    I know, I know...It does not say it is about spinning..just trust me on this one. It also discusses the MYTH known as duplicate content.

    Before you start reading grab your coffee and donut, or a beer and pretzels, you are going to be reading for a LONG time, but worth every moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
      Originally Posted by Kingshouse View Post

      Mark I have a fair idea what you are on about. I checked 3 duplicate content checkers and found 65% unique was 55% on another and the other? 90% (I shan't mention the names of the software but they are the popular ones).

      I noticed it all comes down to the algorithm and what the software is actually checking - similarity or difference. 5% similar could mean 95% unique and so on. Remember that keywords and other such topic related jatgon accounts for some percentage uniqueness too. This means a 100% uniqueness is really a brand new article!

      The percentage is simply a guide.

      Go figure.

      Will
      Exactly Will!

      Your right on the ball there

      That being said that doesn't mean you should be checking the article across every single software and service you own or have acess to before you decide if it's good enough!

      The main reason for spinning an article is so you get more bang for your buck and your articles stay in those directory's and web 2.0 sites.

      Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

      Ssshhhh...Don't tell anyone, but if you go read this thread, you'll know everything you need to know.

      Keep in mind James TheRichJerksNet and Allen Graves are EXPERTS. They both own article directories, they both live and breathe this stuff, they both test to the extreme.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

      I know, I know...It does not say it is about spinning..just trust me on this one. It also discusses the MYTH known as duplicate content.

      Before you start reading grab your coffee and donut, or a beer and pretzels, you are going to be reading for a LONG time, but worth every moment.
      Oh no not this damn thread again! I must have gone through that thread about 3 times already and still haven't got to the end.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    Hi... I would say 50% and up.. but you can never trust article spinners. There are times that after spinning them.. you still have to check them and rewrite them again manually. If you really need to use an an article spinner use "the best spinner".. if you aren't sure of the uniqueness.. you may download "dupecop" then check the duplicate percentage..
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  • Profile picture of the author rlharding
    Though the vast majority of my work is self written, I am using PLR right now for a site I am going to flip. I have writing contracts so don't have time to do them myself. I find that by the time I re-write just to make the article make sense it's like reading a different article all together. Which is the point behind re-working PLR right? I don't re-work PLR to make it unique necessarily, just to make it understood and conform to standard grammar rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
      Originally Posted by rlharding View Post

      Though the vast majority of my work is self written, I am using PLR right now for a site I am going to flip. I have writing contracts so don't have time to do them myself. I find that by the time I re-write just to make the article make sense it's like reading a different article all together. Which is the point behind re-working PLR right? I don't re-work PLR to make it unique necessarily, just to make it understood and conform to standard grammar rules.
      That would really depend on the quality of the PLR in the first place!

      Some PLR is utter crap but other's are really really good quality and you almost feel as though re-writing it will only make it worse.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
      Originally Posted by rlharding View Post

      Though the vast majority of my work is self written, I am using PLR right now for a site I am going to flip. I have writing contracts so don't have time to do them myself. I find that by the time I re-write just to make the article make sense it's like reading a different article all together. Which is the point behind re-working PLR right? I don't re-work PLR to make it unique necessarily, just to make it understood and conform to standard grammar rules.
      Some PLR are really just filler and I dare say they are usually centered around one keyword. They will take you some time to research and 'add to' to make sense for your audience.

      On the other hand there are some top quality plr that you can rewrite and still keep the general idea of the article. I do a lot of this rather than having to do a lot of research and spend time trying to make the plr make sense.

      It sounds like you have a lot of articles to rewrite for your site. I would say just read the plr first and if it seems shallow simply bin it and save yourself some time.

      You've got to choose quality plr that has been well researched. The benefit of this is you won't need to re write extensively.

      The whole idea about plr is so that you can use it quickly and as you see fit. If it's taking too much time then I think you should write fresh articles.


      Quality plr = less work re-writing

      Low Quality plr = more work re-working

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    This will also depend on where you plan on having your articles published.

    Remember that not all the places you will be (or SHOULD BE) getting your articles published get 50 gazillion articles a day.

    A lot of them only get a much smaller number of articles, which means that the chances of the same person reviewing both (or all of the) articles is much greater.

    Then remember that "Jack and Jill go up the hill" may be completely different than "Jackson and Jillian went higher on the mountain"...

    ...but to the article editor, it is EXACTLY the same.

    Also remember that most article editors look for reasons to decline your article before they ever even start reading the first word. This includes a scanning of any article which appears to be closely related to one they have already read.

    Just a few thoughts for discussion...

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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    I have developed a (good ) duplicate content checker, and I can confirm that 99% duplicate content checkers out there are quite bad and you should not base any opinion on the percentage they give you.

    With spinning, it depends on your tactic and strategy really. It's a long story. If it's hard for you - just don't spin anything more than some keywords.
    Going for genuine 50% uniqueness takes more time than to write a new article for sure.
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